Bar tread tyres, cost and where to find?

[bartread4U]

hi there,
my tyres are now cracking with old age and I am looking for new ones.
Where can I buy, for a reasonable price new ones in australia , nsw?
the size is 6.00 x16 , probably hard to get.
would 6.50 x16 or 7.50 x16 do the job?
The vehicle is now only used on the property and not road registered, its a 1952 S1 with a 2 liter donk. It was fully restored 20 years ago, but now shows the signs of everyday use on the land..;)

Peter

[Mick_Marsh]

The specialty tyre stores such as Antique Tyres will have these.
Also try on ebay,

Tractor Tyre 6.00 -16 *NEW* suit 'Front' Lug Bar Tread | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/like/200549392655?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=107&chn=ps)

[S3ute]

hi there,
my tyres are now cracking with old age and I am looking for new ones.
Where can I buy, for a reasonable price new ones in australia , nsw?
the size is 6.00 x16 , probably hard to get.
would 6.50 x16 or 7.50 x16 do the job?
The vehicle is now only used on the property and not road registered, its a 1952 S1 with a 2 liter donk. It was fully restored 20 years ago, but now shows the signs of everyday use on the land..;)

Peter

Peter,

Hello from Surabaya - out of the country for a little while.

The rim size will largely dictate whether or not you can fit the larger tyres to your existing rims - there are a good many threads hereabouts explaining the nuances.

The 6 X 16" bar treads that you can find are usually imports for restored jeeps etc and sourced from India etc - for that reason they come at a price and may be a bit of a luxury for a general farm truck.

I have 4 7 X 16 Bridgestone Jeep tyres on my present truck that are not a bar tread but have a fairly aggressive winter tread type pattern. These are coming off soon and will become giveaways when they do.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/620.jpg (http://s1226.photobucket.com/user/Tilly011/media/P1083678_zps7fd7e075.jpg.html)

They would have to be 20 years old and some evidence of cracking, but would likely see out farm duties for a while.

Cheers,

[bartread4U]

hi there S3ute,

thanks for the offer, but I am one bridge to far away from you.
I had not thought of another type of tread pattern.
Food for thought indeed.

Mine are getting very bald, but were bald to start with being bar tread patterns.
The cracking is a worry too , perhaps mixing porridge with black silicon would do the trick for a lasting repair? :)
Peter:burnrubber:

[Avion8]

I agree with Mick Marsh on Antique tyres. I ordered mine for a 1951 80" about 3 years ago, & they were Firestone made in America brand & 8 ply. At the time they were $199 each.

I am after a set of 7.00 x 16" for my 107", but do not want bartreads & would dearly like to find a set of Dunlop Roadtrack Majors - my spare is brand new but the other 4 are getting sad!

[cjc_td5]

Another option maybe to drop into your local tyre shop and see if they have any second hand 235/70R16 tyres available. They are a common fitment onto hiluxes etc and are equivalent to 6.5x16 size and fill out the wheel arches nicely. Also ebay or gumtree often have tyre sets as people upgrade from their standard tyres to fatties etc.

[JDNSW]

Another option maybe to drop into your local tyre shop and see if they have any second hand 235/70R16 tyres available. They are a common fitment onto hiluxes etc and are equivalent to 6.5x16 size and fill out the wheel arches nicely. Also ebay or gumtree often have tyre sets as people upgrade from their standard tyres to fatties etc.

I don't think they can be used on the 5" wheels, which are presumably what it has since they are 6" tyres.

And what is this about "fill out wheelarches" bit? Since when has that been a criterion for a farm ute? (Or for that matter any utility vehicle?)

John

[harry]

hi there,
my tyres are now cracking with old age and I am looking for new ones.
Where can I buy, for a reasonable price new ones in australia , nsw?
the size is 6.00 x16 , probably hard to get.
would 6.50 x16 or 7.50 x16 do the job?
The vehicle is now only used on the property and not road registered, its a 1952 S1 with a 2 liter donk. It was fully restored 20 years ago, but now shows the signs of everyday use on the land..;)

Peter


hi peter, you can find lots of tyres that will do the job for your car, real bar treads are getting a bit difficult to find , but if your jigger is farm only then try your tyre supplier for 16 inch rim tractor tyres, or look on ebay or similar, many people sell secondhand tyres.
of course you could consider retiring the old girl and asking me if I was interested in keeping her going in her retirement from the farm.


I an running 9.00 x 16 on my s2a and they seem to work well.

[NQSeriesRover]

Hi Peter,

While hunting some Deestone Extra Tractions lately I found a guy with stock of Deestone Bar Tread in the correct 6 x 16 for $145 each. Drop me a note if you are interested and I'll pass their details along.

regards,

matt

[bartread4U]

finally got around to getting new tyres, 5 bar treads , 6 ply , from the local tyre dealer.
resprayed the wheels in enamel with a dash of hardener and looking very dapper. Needed 3 new tubes and now looking good on the old jalopy.
Now removing the front wings and grill assembly for a respray in enamel . Might even get around to doing the tub and lower doors.
Also going to paint the engine in duck egg blue 1.5 extra tint , cos the original DEB is to light for my liking. Its international red at the moment cos that's what I had left over from the last repaint of the inter tractor...:tease:
so that's all for now, maybe some pictures to follow of the amazing event of the 21 st century, or maybe not.......:no2:

[Rick Fischer]

S1 tyres - In another life I was considered to be a drip under pressure with regard to tyres. Aircraft tyres! However, in my many consultations with Dunlop, goodyear Michelin et al and the conversion of heavy metal (transport category - big commercial jets) from x plys to radials one becomes aware of a tyre characteristic called "cornering force". Counter intuitively, it is the force that is required to move a tyre out of a straight line. It also relates back to all auto tyres, their construction and allowable deflection.

Anyway old Landies were designed with x plies. Everything that goes on down the front is to do with, was designed for cross plies, ie ye olde road track majors sort of tyre. The only adjustable feature (even to this day) is toe. Castor and Camber are/were fixed yonks ago. For Series it was with regard to xplies.

Another hint, apart from front wheel drive and torque steer, everything is now power steer. Has a bit to do with radial tyres "cornering force". (Not all but a bit)

Where is this going. We really all need to fit xplies! Finding appropriate tyres has been a dread sitting in the back of my mind since I found the wheels I have are fitted with oversize radials.

Perhaps we need to ask the Dunlop side if Mr.Beaurepair if he might do, or have done a run of x ply RTMs, or perhaps organise Pommy Dunlop for same????

Maybe an AULRO bulk buy????

Unfortunately, all of the local Oz tyre building expertise is being, or has been lost a la GM and Ford. An example - needed a aircon switch for my 89 MX5. System was Mazda (aftermarket DENSO) designed, built, and installed in country, 1989! Australian Denso have quit! ( No GM No Ford No Toyota!!!) Only way to get a switch was a box of 1000 ex Japan :(

Anyway - Tyres we really do need X plies, and perhaps a bulk buy of a build might get a "reasonable" price????????????

Comment? Ideas??

Cheers

Rick F

[Avion8]

S1 tyres - In another life I was considered to be a drip under pressure with regard to tyres. Aircraft tyres! However, in my many consultations with Dunlop, goodyear Michelin et al and the conversion of heavy metal (transport category - big commercial jets) from x plys to radials one becomes aware of a tyre characteristic called "cornering force". Counter intuitively, it is the force that is required to move a tyre out of a straight line. It also relates back to all auto tyres, their construction and allowable deflection.

Anyway old Landies were designed with x plies. Everything that goes on down the front is to do with, was designed for cross plies, ie ye olde road track majors sort of tyre. The only adjustable feature (even to this day) is toe. Castor and Camber are/were fixed yonks ago. For Series it was with regard to xplies.

Another hint, apart from front wheel drive and torque steer, everything is now power steer. Has a bit to do with radial tyres "cornering force". (Not all but a bit)

Where is this going. We really all need to fit xplies! Finding appropriate tyres has been a dread sitting in the back of my mind since I found the wheels I have are fitted with oversize radials.

Perhaps we need to ask the Dunlop side if Mr.Beaurepair if he might do, or have done a run of x ply RTMs, or perhaps organise Pommy Dunlop for same????

Maybe an AULRO bulk buy????

Unfortunately, all of the local Oz tyre building expertise is being, or has been lost a la GM and Ford. An example - needed a aircon switch for my 89 MX5. System was Mazda (aftermarket DENSO) designed, built, and installed in country, 1989! Australian Denso have quit! ( No GM No Ford No Toyota!!!) Only way to get a switch was a box of 1000 ex Japan :(

Anyway - Tyres we really do need X plies, and perhaps a bulk buy of a build might get a "reasonable" price????????????

Comment? Ideas??

Cheers

Rick F

Rick,

I would definitely be in on a buy of Dunlop RTM's as my 7.00 x 16 set are getting decidedly low on tread (except the brand new spare). They are fantastic tyres & really sit well on the 107". So if you know where we can get some I would be most grateful. The only other option at present is the radial in 215/85 R16, which is almost the same OD at 771.9mm.

Cheers
Nigel

[dreamin']

S1 tyres - In another life I was considered to be

Perhaps we need to ask the Dunlop side if Mr.Beaurepair if he might do, or have done a run of x ply RTMs, or perhaps organise Pommy Dunlop for same????

Maybe an AULRO bulk buy????



Yes.

Or find where they are still making them in the old patterns. I think I have seen something like an RTM in 6.00 or 6.50 produced somewhere in India or Malaysia., but haven't gone looking for a while. Will try to find a web link.

Roger

[gromit]

Back in 2008 I got a set of new RTM's (7.00 x 16) that Dunlop were getting made in Malaysia.
From memory the originals were 6-ply and these were 8-ply.

I guess it means that they still have the moulds it's just getting enough interest.....


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Colin

[cae]

Back in 2008 I got a set of new RTM's (7.00 x 16) that Dunlop were getting made in Malaysia.
From memory the originals were 6-ply and these were 8-ply.

I guess it means that they still have the moulds it's just getting enough interest.....

I realise the thread is getting old, but is there still interest?

Dunlop South Africa have the "Universal" in a few sizes. 7.00-15 (8ply), 7.00-16 (8ply), 7.50-16 (8ply), 7.50-16 (12ply).
Product numbers; D11123007, D11123002, D11123006, D11123011
122585
Dunlop Australia are not good at replying to emails regarding information. Might be different with a bulk order.

[grazza53]

Not of use to you I understand Peter, but for others looking at purchasing second hand tyres for registered vehicles. Tyres now have a life span, 6 years, and it is illegal to run tyre older than that on the road. Might be heaps left in them, but have an accident on the road with older tyres and Insurance will wipe you. Hard time for Enthusiasts vehicles, I guess it just means we have to drive them more [wink11]

By the way, if you look at a tyre, just above where it sits on the rim, you will find a manufactured date. Usually month and year, as (04/17).

[B.S.F.]

Not of use to you I understand Peter, but for others looking at purchasing second hand tyres for registered vehicles. Tyres now have a life span, 6 years, and it is illegal to run tyre older than that on the road. Might be heaps left in them, but have an accident on the road with older tyres and Insurance will wipe you. Hard time for Enthusiasts vehicles, I guess it just means we have to drive them more [wink11]

By the way, if you look at a tyre, just above where it sits on the rim, you will find a manufactured date. Usually month and year, as (04/17).

Could you please put up a link to the relevant document? .W.

[JDNSW]

As far as i know there is no legal life on use of tyres. If this has changed, I would like to see the legislation or regulations.

I think what has happened is that tyre manufacturers, suppliers and repairers are setting a life on tyres they will fit or repair simply because of their product liability worries (increased under the Australian consumer law). Of course, the fact that it helps their sales may influence them as well!

John

[Mick_Marsh]

Not of use to you I understand Peter, but for others looking at purchasing second hand tyres for registered vehicles. Tyres now have a life span, 6 years, and it is illegal to run tyre older than that on the road. Might be heaps left in them, but have an accident on the road with older tyres and Insurance will wipe you. Hard time for Enthusiasts vehicles, I guess it just means we have to drive them more [wink11]

By the way, if you look at a tyre, just above where it sits on the rim, you will find a manufactured date. Usually month and year, as (04/17).

Urban myth.
Been covered before.

[grazza53]

Thanks for that Mick. Your post got me to doing a bit of research and you are correct, apparently, tiss all an Urban myth. I spoke to my mechanic mate today and informed him he was wrong in knocking back my rego inspection, so he's going to look it up for himself tomorrow when he gets to work. Who said the interwebby thing didn't work [bigrolf]

[QRS40]

I asked someone in GY/Dunlop (in a position of authority, not just a bloke at the pub) about the RTMs not too long ago. I was told that the ones that were made in Malaysia until circa 2008 were actually not really made by Dunlop at all, it was a local company that obtained the rights to the name, I think through a series of restructures and outsourcing, or something like that.

So the upshot was that Dunlop cant, even if they wanted to, remake or even do a once-off run of new RTMs because (ironically) they don't presently hold the rights to the name.
(this may also explain why the pattern isn't reproduced elsewhere either, but in fairness I didn't query that aspect)

[gromit]

I asked someone in GY/Dunlop (in a position of authority, not just a bloke at the pub) about the RTMs not too long ago. I was told that the ones that were made in Malaysia until circa 2008 were actually not really made by Dunlop at all, it was a local company that obtained the rights to the name, I think through a series of restructures and outsourcing, or something like that.

So the upshot was that Dunlop cant, even if they wanted to, remake or even do a once-off run of new RTMs because (ironically) they don't presently hold the rights to the name.
(this may also explain why the pattern isn't reproduced elsewhere either, but in fairness I didn't query that aspect)

So the question is....who owns the rights (and the moulds) and how can we contact them ???


Colin

[NQSeriesRover]

hi all,

Deestone in Thailand manufacture both the D502 heavy tread and the bar tread. sometimes you find both in resellers here but i have my mates in our thai factory chasing down an agent and costs for me....will post more after my next trip over there in about a month