What's a 4WD 'Truck' ?

[DeanoH]

First of all, thanks to Inc. and others for creating this 'playpen' for us owners of large 4WD's. I proposed a none vehicle specific sub forum that would hopefully be more encompassing to give it a better 'critical mass' and diverse opinion but still with a common subject. :)

But what is a 4WD 'truck', easy for me with a 6 tonne GVM OKA but with the blending of American terminology into the language 'truck' can mean a little 1/2 tonne ute or a 3/4 tonne F 'truck'.

Originally I thought, OK, over 4 1/2 tonne GVM or you need a 'truck' licence to drive it but that's hardly right as eg. the Iveco Daily can (or could) come plated as under or over 4 1/2 tonne depending on what the customer wanted, so some would be in and some would be out. There's also OKA's out there that have been 're-plated' to sub 4.5 tonne and what of Sitec's and others FC trucks not to mention various Canters, Isuzu and others 4WD trucks out there ?

Perhaps it's not necessary to 'define' what constitutes a truck at all but I'd hate to see this sub-forum swamped with posts about Suzuki Jimnys and F 100's. :(

There you go Inc. :D How's that for an opener ?

Deano :)

[VladTepes]

Seems reasonable to me.

If anyone thinks a lifted Jimny is a 'truck' it's obviously time to whack 'em with the ban-hammer.... :lol2:

[rangieman]

Mmmmm dont get me started on the yank terminology that has crept into our community:censored:
Is your 4x4 truck also a SUV:p

[JDNSW]

A truck is a vehicle designed primarily for the carriage of goods rather than passengers (and includes the small "utility truck"). As such the term can be reasonably applied to a utility or larger truck, but really does not apply to anything with more than two doors. Anything with a payload under about a tonne and a half is perhaps more usually referred to in this country as a "utility" or "ute". To call such a vehicle a "truck" is advertising your slavish following of US English.

John

[bsperka]

Anything that handles like a truck. Like Toyotas, Nissans etc. So, I call my Disco a car or vehicle. 😇

[spudboy]

I think if you can't touch the roof with your hand (while you are standing on the ground) then it's a truck.

Reckon an Iveco is too high to reach the roof, and so is a 101, so they are both trucks.

Scientific hey?

Actually - I like John's definition.

[dullbird]

Don't worry you don't have to worry about anyone posting F trucks in here.... Ron would have moved it before they hit submit :p

[Mick_Marsh]

If you need a LR, MR, HR, HC or MC to drive it, it's a truck.
The 101 is not a truck because you can legally drive it on a car license. A 4x4 Perentie is not a truck but a 6x6 Perentie is.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

A truck is a vehicle designed primarily for the carriage of goods rather than passengers (and includes the small "utility truck"). As such the term can be reasonably applied to a utility or larger truck, but really does not apply to anything with more than two doors. Anything with a payload under about a tonne and a half is perhaps more usually referred to in this country as a "utility" or "ute". To call such a vehicle a "truck" is advertising your slavish following of US English.

Johnlet me see if I have this correct?

This is a truck because it is primarily designed to carry goods!
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/487.jpg

This is not a truck because it has more than 2 doors.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/573.jpg

IMHO not a useful definition.

[Barefoot Dave]

/stir/ a Perentie 4x4 is a "Truck, Utility, lightweight"\Stir\ ;)

[isuzurover]

...

But what is a 4WD 'truck', ...

Anything you need an LR/MR license to drive that is 4x4.

I note that by using the term 4WD Inc has excluded 6x6 trucks...

[The ho har's]

If you need a LR, MR, HR, HC or MC to drive it, it's a truck.
The 101 is not a truck because you can legally drive it on a car license. A 4x4 Perentie is not a truck but a 6x6 Perentie is.


Ahhh but get the Perentie downgraded to under 4.5 T and then can be driven on a car license :p But it is alright as I have a truck license so mine are trucks:D:p

Mrs hh:angel:

[The ho har's]

Anything you need an LR/MR license to drive that is 4x4.

I note that by using the term 4WD Inc has excluded 6x6 trucks...


Best we get that corrected then;) Dullbird???

Mrs hh:angel:

[Mick_Marsh]

Ahhh but get the Perentie downgraded to under 4.5 T and then can be driven on a car license :p But it is alright as I have a truck license so mine are trucks:D:p

Mrs hh:angel:
Ah, yes. However, should you do that, the tare of a 6x6 is about 4t. You could downgrade the GVM of a 6x6 Perentie to 4.5t but you may render it unusable.
Best to get a LR. Hey! They gave me a HR so getting a LR should be a doddle.

[JDNSW]

let me see if I have this correct?

This is a truck because it is primarily designed to carry goods!
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/487.jpg

This is not a truck because it has more than 2 doors.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/573.jpg

IMHO not a useful definition.

There is no precise definition, so of course you can have fun round the fuzzy edges. The "more than two doors" is not really part of the definition, which refers to the primary use of the vehicle. The dual cab you show is clearly designed for the transport of goods, but this would not apply to all dual cabs.

What is clear is that both the vehicles you picture are primarily designed for transport of goods; the Suzuki does not carry much in the way of goods, but then it does not carry much in the way of anything, certainly not passengers.

John

[The ho har's]

Ah, yes. However, should you do that, the tare of a 6x6 is about 4t. You could downgrade the GVM of a 6x6 Perentie to 4.5t but you may render it unusable.
Best to get a LR. Hey! They gave me a HR so getting a LR should be a doddle.


The 6x6 we transformed here has been downgraded, was taken over the pits as you call them, so the owners didn't need to get a LR, it is a camper after all:)

Mrs hh:angel:

[incisor]

shall i rename it to

All Terrain Trucks

or

Trucks with at least 4WD

or

vehicular transports with greater than 1.5 tonne capacity, with drive on at least 4 wheels and that you cannot reach the roof of when standing on terrafirma?


let me know ..... in short order....

[Mick_Marsh]

The 6x6 we transformed here has been downgraded, was taken over the pits as you call them, so the owners didn't need to get a LR, it is a camper after all:)

Mrs hh:angel:
Yep. And a very nice looking 6x6 it is too. Very well done and very probably well set up as a tourer. The change in diff ratio's would have been an excellent modification for that purpose. The fact still remains, they cannot legally load it to over 4.5t. I can legally load mine to 5.6t.
Do you know if the GCM was also adjusted on that vehicle?

[DeanoH]

shall i rename it to

All Terrain Trucks

or

Trucks with at least 4WD

or

vehicular transports with greater than 1.5 tonne capacity, with drive on at least 4 wheels and that you cannot reach the roof of when standing on terrafirma?


let me know ..... in short order....

Nah, **** em Inc., they're just being pedantic :angel:. 6 X 6's are just 4WD's with an attitude problem or 2 more driven wheels at best.:) A 6 X 6 is just a 4 X4 with 'knobs on' so as long as they mind their P's & Q's like the rest of us and they qualify as 'trucks' leave well alone. :)

Deano :)

PS. If not sic Ron onto em, he can out 'pedant' anyone who gets a bit uppity. :)

[The ho har's]

Yep. And a very nice looking 6x6 it is too. Very well done and very probably well set up as a tourer. The change in diff ratio's would have been an excellent modification for that purpose. The fact still remains, they cannot legally load it to over 4.5t. I can legally load mine to 5.6t.
Do you know if the GCM was also adjusted on that vehicle?


I assume so as the owner looked after all that. He is an engineer by trade.

Mrs hh:angel:

[Mick_Marsh]

Nah, **** em Inc., they're just being pedantic :angel:. 6 X 6's are just 4WD's with an attitude problem or 2 more driven wheels at best.:) A 6 X 6 is just a 4 X4 with 'knobs on' so as long as they mind their P's & Q's like the rest of us and they qualify as 'trucks' leave well alone. :)

Deano :)

PS. If not sic Ron onto em, he can out 'pedant' anyone who gets a bit uppity. :)
Actually, the 6x6 is only a 6x6 when the diff lock switch is activated otherwise only four wheels are driven.

[The ho har's]

Actually, the 6x6 is only a 6x6 when the diff lock switch is activated otherwise only four wheels are driven.

A bit pedantic here are we:angel:

Mrs hh:angel:

[Mick_Marsh]

A bit pedantic here are we:angel:

Mrs hh:angel:
Well, you could look at it another way. Because the distance between the two rear axles are less than one metre, the rear axles are considered to be one axle by registration authorities, therefore, they are a 4x4.

Hey! A thread about defining a vehicle on AULRO! What made you think it wouldn't get pedantic?
We're not splitting hairs to the nth degree yet.

[Bushie]

Nah, **** em Inc., they're just being pedantic :angel:. 6 X 6's are just 4WD's with an attitude problem or 2 more driven wheels at best.:) A 6 X 6 is just a 4 X4 with 'knobs on' so as long as they mind their P's & Q's like the rest of us and they qualify as 'trucks' leave well alone. :)

Deano :)

PS. If not sic Ron onto em, he can out 'pedant' anyone who gets a bit uppity. :)

Unless of course it is full time 6x6 :p


Martyn

[Sitec]

"All Terrain Trucks".... Like it!

[Blknight.aus]

let me see if I have this correct?

This is a truck because it is primarily designed to carry goods!
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/487.jpg

This is not a truck because it has more than 2 doors.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/573.jpg

IMHO not a useful definition.

There's one in every crowd, it's just not usually a moderator.

(yes, I just finished reading red dwarf)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

There's one in every crowd, it's just not usually a moderator.

(yes, I just finished reading red dwarf)I found both the notion of the term "truck" and the definition to be poor. In fact I really hate the American term "truck" although it has come into common usage in Australia. I wonder why.

I come from a family where my great-great grandfather was a carrier and so on down the line where my uncle is now the principle of the same company and we always had lorries. Even in our own distribution business we had freezer lorries.

But hey, I'm anacronistic and accept it.

But I do like the Tatra 8X8s and 6X6s! :D

[Sitec]

I really hate the American term "truck" although it has come into common usage in Australia.

Its still ten fold better than calling them Lorries!! :D

[Don 130]

I'm pretty sure my rego papers describe my 130 as 'Land Rover Truck'
Don.

[Mick_Marsh]

truck: definition of truck in Oxford dictionary (British & World English) (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/truck)


a heavy road vehicle for carting goods, materials or troops; a lorry

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I thought that trucks were railway goods wagons (rather than carriages that carry people) and also used for trolleys on stations.

Still prefer "Carrier" over the term "Trucking" but as I've already said. Happy to be out of step. :)

[JDNSW]

truck: definition of truck in Oxford dictionary (British & World English) (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/truck)

To complete the picture, courtesy Australian C.O.D. :-

Lorry n Brit. 1.=Truck 2. a long flat low wagon 3. a truck used on railways and tramways.

Truck n 1. a large, powerful motor vehicle for transporting goods etc 2.an open railway wagon for carrying freight 3. A vehicle for transporting troops, supplies etc 4. a railway bogie 5. a wheeled stand for transporting goods.

I suggest that these definitions cover the Australian meanings of the word.

John

[tact]

While it is called '4x4' the day will come where some newcomer doesn't know where to post about his 6x6 or 8x8 and skimming the board titles will not even stop and read in this one simply because the title says 4x4

[tact]

heh - and define "heavy" in relation to the core reason this forum exists (Land Rovers).... "Heavy Offroad Vehicle means anything that isn't a Landy and weighs more than your average Landy"

[Mick_Marsh]

Truck n 1. a large, powerful motor vehicle for transporting goods etc
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/01/487.jpg

Yep! That fits the definition perfectly. Don't it?

[d2dave]

I think if you can't touch the roof with your hand (while you are standing on the ground) then it's a truck.


So when SWMBO is driving my D2 it is a truck, but when I am driving it, it isn't.

[donh54]

Old naval saying regarding the difference between a ship and a boat: a ship can carry a boat, but a boat can't carry a ship. Ergo, if it can carry a landy it's a truck. If it can't, then it's errr..... something else
:rolleyes:

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[Mick_Marsh]

Old naval saying regarding the difference between a ship and a boat: a ship can carry a boat, but a boat can't carry a ship. Ergo, if it can carry a landy it's a truck. If it can't, then it's errr..... something else
:rolleyes:

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And what a fine looking ship we have here.

[303gunner]

I used to be a Lorry Driver.


My Mini Panel Van (tare 630Kg, GVM 960Kg) was registered as a Lorry.