Filling diesel from a Truck Pump

[CSBrisie]

All, when I had my old D3 it had a Long Ranger (110l) tank fitted which meant it was possible to use the Fast flowing Truck pumps at service stations as the opening was replaced with a much wider mouth. Now we have a 21foot caravan I suspect I will be visiting the truck pumps more often (ease of access). I assume it would be possible to remove the standard filler (sans misfueling device) and fit a wider fuel "neck" etc. Any thoughts?
cheers

[harlie]

I've not looked into how, but that would be a good mod.

[Steinzy]

I would be keen to see this done as well as hi flow is so much quicker

[Scouse]

Did the earlier LM/L322s have the misfueling device? If not, they might be able to take the High Flow nozzles now. My P38 does.

[Greatsouthernland]

That little flap looks like it would come out with some extra long nose pliers, a twist and pull...I'd hate to see the little spring drop down the neck though :(
I nearly gave it a go last week, except for that bit of doubt and my pliers weren't long enough. Maybe something shoved in to catch any loose bits, a flexible magnet to retrieve them.....:angel: and someone else to try it first and post a vid??

I can still use hi-flow, but need to take care with nozzle placement and keep the pressure against the filler neck, no splashes yet ... touch wood.

[THE BOOGER]

Would the filler from a D1 be a straight swap they take a hl flow nozzel

[Defender Mike]

Don't forget fast flow pumps are not as accurate in measurement . If your buying a thousand litres what's a litre or two difference. But it makes a big difference if your only buying 50 litres. This I was told by the Gilbarco man servicing the pumps and he said they are very inaccurate when not on full flow. So if you hold the Handel slow them down as you usually have to do you are not getting a correct reading.Then if your a very busy person a minute saved is one bettered used than standing at a fuel pump.:)

[CSBrisie]

Hmmm, good point - although to be honest its not the fast fill of the hi flow I was thinking about - its ease of access to hi flow pump as they are often easier to get to when towing a 21 foot van behind an already "bulky" RR!

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[harlie]

exactly, and the fact that some outlets will have 6 hi-flow pumps and 1 small pump which will be right beside the only LPG hose. Its more about getting on a pump.

[seano87]

http://www.measurement.gov.au/TRADEMEASUREMENT/BUSINESS/Pages/LiquidFuel.aspx I can't see anything on the website or linked documents that specifies any difference to the required +/- 0.3% accuracy for a high flow pump.

Even if the accuracy was within 1% for a high flow I'd be happy.

[Davehoos]

Our workshop bowser-13 000l double bunded tank.
has 2 metering devices-electronic, and mechanical display.
non can be used for resale purposes.


both metering devices are inaccurate over a 20 l measure container but vey good at 1000 l. the mechanical meter on the fuel trailer is way out

[AndyG]

Do ADR's come into this at all, and insurance? But I note the Defender can take the hi flow.

Answered my own question, no restriction that I can see

[donrover0]

Just did a quick trip Toowoomba-Melbourne and return. saw same thing at a few stations-- one diesel pump with small nozzle and 6-8 hi flow ones.
Some also had about 2-3 cents/litre cheaper at the hi-flow; not really a consideration, although the wife though should be able to fill at them! just for that extra towards a new pair shoes??
Seems that a new replacement in-tank fuel pump may have gone walkabout after only a few days operation as first tank full, we stopped on side of road after using about 65 litres! fuel was full of air ! so not enough fuel pressure to start/run. I got the trusty NRMA guy to bring us 20 litres fuel and away we went!
So rest of trip refuelled at 550km without missing ( another) beat!

[Graeme]

I can still use hi-flow, but need to take care with nozzle placement and keep the pressure against the filler neck, no splashes yet ... touch wood.
This can be done with a D4 but not with the MY12 Vogue because the Vogue's breather hole is inside the smaller diameter aperture whereas the D4's is above. The only way the I could get fuel in was to dribble it which I'm not prepared to do every time I get fuel.

My local service station has a stepped funnel that's apparently suitable for some vehicles but it doesn't work on the Vogue, with constant splashing from escaping air. Its lower section does't appear to be long enough and there's no seal for the truck nozzle, although I suspect that an appropriate size oil seal would do the job of sealing the nozzle. The service station doesn't want to spend $10K on a 2nd bowser but even if they did, or attached 2 hoses/nozzles as I suggested, there's still the problem when outback.

Perhaps if the nozzle sealed against the funnel then no splash-back would occur so I'll get the dimensions and hopefully get an oil seal to test the theory.

[CSBrisie]

Love having Graeme in a Vogue - all our problems with be solved now!! :)

[Graeme]

You people are hopeful!

The adaptor the local servo has is available as a genuine part from VW/Audi and BMW dealers in the USA, with different part numbers, obviously sourced from an independent supplier. They're only around US$7 but freight makes them relatively expensive. I'll get the sizes to hopefully find a suitable seal.

Does anyone know if all the large nozzles are the same diameter? Its not of much use chasing-up a seal if multiple sizes although the local servo may be interested in fitting one.

A grumble: The D4 and possibly the D3 too had a lip and drain to stop spilt fuel from running down the mudguard so why don't these vehicles have the same?

[Graeme]

I have a 30x42 mm oil seal to try in the servo's reducer next fill-up in later thia week. If it works I'll buy one of the reducers to carry. Oh yes, there is a drain hole around the cap so mine now has a lip extender (strip of plastic) fitted to see if that stops fuel dribbling down the paint-work.

[Graeme]

Did the earlier LM/L322s have the misfueling device? If not, they might be able to take the High Flow nozzles now.The MY10-12 non-diesel all-nozzle-sizes filler neck is the same part# as MY02-09 filler neck.

[Graeme]

The oil seal in the adaptor sealed but caused the nozzle to immediately cut-out several times in quick succession. The filler neck now has a small breather hole above the nozzle hole as a last-ditch effort before resorting to a standard filler neck, but I suspect that fuel rather than just air will too readily spray back through the hole. I dislike getting sprayed with diesel droplets every time I fill-up and having to later wash the paintwork.

[Homestar]

Interesting that it is so hard to get a big 4WD to accept a high flow nozzle, but my diesel Captiva does easily and at full output from the nozzle. I can fill it in 30 seconds. :)

[mekon76]

Love using the hi flow on the Defender, worked out if positioned 'right' it cuts out with minimal splash. I'll take a trick from the grey nomads and carry gloves, the smell of diesel not always welcome everywhere.