LED Headlights for Defender/County/RRC etc

[rijidij]

I've been comparing some LED headlights to replace the standard halogens in my County.
From my experience with other LED products I know the performance can vary quite a bit from one manufacturer to another, so I wanted to try a few different ones.
I don't have any measuring equipment for Lumens etc, these are just my visible observations.

There are different methods used for light output....... projected, reflected and a combination of the two.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/03/1202.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/LED%20Head%20Lights/LED%20Headlights_zpszsidawmf.jpg.html)

All seem to be well built with cast alloy housings.
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This is a Chinese built unit with four projected LEDs.
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The light pattern is quite even and symmetrical across the width with a fairly straight top cut off to keep the beam down away from other drivers. Low beam makes use of the two side and one centre lenses, high beam adds the larger centre lens.
All the pictures of the beam patterns below were taken at approx 50cm
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/03/1205.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/LED%20Head%20Lights/CH2HiLow__zpspj7vbicd.jpg.html)

This is also a Chinese built unit with four projected LEDs.
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The light pattern is quite even and symmetrical across the width on low beam, but high beam adds an uneven patch in the middle. Looking at the beam pattern, it almost seems like the unit has been constructed upside down with the cut off at the bottom (The unit can only be fitted this way up). Low beam makes use of the two side lenses only, high beam adds the two larger centre lenses.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/03/1207.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/LED%20Head%20Lights/CH1HiLow__zpshkuxw9cb.jpg.html)

This is an American made 'Truck Lite Phase 7' It has upper and lower segmented reflectors with one LED chip each. Rather than the light being projected through a lens, the LED points back and is reflected forward.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/03/1208.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/LED%20Head%20Lights/TLPh7_zpscjvjgqp9.jpg.html)

Low beam uses the upper lens only, high beam uses both upper and lower.
I've had these on my County for a while. As you can see, the beam pattern is quite patchy compared to the projected lights and this is obvious when driving with them, in fact I find it a bit annoying. It's a shame, as these appear to have the strongest light output. I'm sure they have their reasons for segmenting the reflector, but I can't help but think they would be much better with a parabolic reflector...........but I'm no expert :D I've driven from Melbourne to Sydney with these, and they are good, except for the patchy beam.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/07/355.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/LED%20Head%20Lights/TL7HiLow__zpssapghgen.jpg.html)

This is Truck Lite's previous model, the Phase 6. I haven't bothered fitting these to a car yet, but I thought I'd include the bench test just to demonstrate the difference.
These have 10 individual LEDs with a combination of reflectors and a small projection lens in front of each one. The main outer lens is also shaped to spread the light in various ways. These are 24v only units which I picked up second hand, I ran them through a Redarc 12v to 24v converter.
The other three lights will run on 10-30v

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/03/1209.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/LED%20Head%20Lights/TLPh6_zpsgbhxvkno.jpg.html)

Low beam makes use of the top 5 LEDs and high beam adds the bottom 5. They seem to have a quite intense beam, but I suspect they'd be a bit patchy on the road.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/03/1210.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/LED%20Head%20Lights/TL6HiLow__zpslt9eydtb.jpg.html)

One important difference between the Chinese and American lights is, the Truck Lites are certified for use, the Chinese ones don't have any markings.

I think I'll fit the Chinese lights with the bigger middle lens and give them a try for a while. I think they will be the best ones for me, but only in combination with the LED driving lights I have as there is not a huge difference from low to high beam. I already have driving lights fitted.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/03/1211.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/LED%20Head%20Lights/DrvLights_zpsskv4vdmz.jpg.html)

Cheers, Murray

[Tombie]

Nice comparison mate... Great info

[PAT303]

Murray,thanks for posting,I was going to buy the Truck lites but will go the projector instead. Pat

[Wicks89]

Murray - awesome info! I love it when people on here just show you what is what and give a no BS, un-paid assessment.

But, if I may, I think the most crucial element is missing. How much do they cost? I know trucklites go for IVO $800 but what about the others?

cheers again mate.

[Red90]

Trucklites can be had for $400 a pair.

Which Chinese ones did you buy? Links to the products would be good.

[AndyG]

I think my MY15 Silver Pack Defender came with LED headlights. The brochure talks about the ancillary lights being LED, but not the main. looking up the VIN says Special Pack E, so of no use.
I have five bright object about 1 cm square in a straight line behind a normal looking lense.

I will see if there are some manufacture markings on the lense, it may be a viable option.

[rijidij]

......................... How much do they cost? I know trucklites go for IVO $800 but what about the others?


Trucklites can be had for $400 a pair.

Which Chinese ones did you buy? Links to the products would be good.

The Truck Lite Phase 7's I got direct from the States and cost retail AU$436 (Pair) delivered to my door.

I don't have direct links to the two Chinese lights as I got them straight from the manufacturers in China who contacted me through my business. I'll see if I can find some links later.

The ones with the two same size middle lenses cost AU$354 (Pair) delivered to my door.

The ones with the two different size middle lenses (The better ones) actually cost less at AU$310 (Pair) delivered to my door.

As a comparison, Genuine JW Speakers (http://www.partdeal.com/jw-speaker-5-75-in-round-par46-led-dot-high-low-beam-headlight-12-24v-0545741.html?zmam=74973193&zmas=1&zmac=4&zmap=77117863&gclid=Cj0KEQjwrPqnBRD56dGe1o_WlZsBEiQAb5ugt2FYqhma fITFSEyBinP93V_FD1Gvw-PERcU7FNL61wEaAtqJ8P8HAQ) are over AU$1000 per pair.

I have heard the JW Speakers are awesome, but there's simply no way I would spend that sort of money on them.

Cheers, Murray

[INVSBL]

would you trust the Chinese projectors to last and stay decent quality?

and would you know what the difficulties of changing LEDs in them if they were to fail/die?

[PAT303]

For 350 bucks a pair you could throw them away every 3-4 years and buy new ones,even with a traxide kit and nighteater globes my Tdi's lights don't compare with the LED's in my mates Rubicon. Pat

[rijidij]

I think my MY15 Silver Pack Defender came with LED headlights. The brochure talks about the ancillary lights being LED, but not the main. looking up the VIN says Special Pack E, so of no use.
I have five bright object about 1 cm square in a straight line behind a normal looking lense.

I will see if there are some manufacture markings on the lense, it may be a viable option.

Looks like these LEDs are an option on 2015 Defender Special Editions (http://www.carpictures.com/photos/max/15A6I48022788112/Land-Rover-Defender-Final-Special-Editions-2015#)
Not sure if it's an option in Australia, do these look like the ones you have.

Cheers, Murray

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[Albert]

Unknown quality, but just for a price comparison. Unsure if this quote was US or AUS $
Hi Albert,
The one is $135。
FED Express is $60.
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[Red90]

Looks like these LEDs are an option on 2015 Defender Special Editions (http://www.carpictures.com/photos/max/15A6I48022788112/Land-Rover-Defender-Final-Special-Editions-2015#)


The ones Land Rover is using are Noldens. Quite pricey. Lowest I can see for what appear to be real one is $600 US on eBay for a pair.

7" LED Headlight (http://www.noldengmbh.de/en/company/news/51-7-led-headlight)
Nolden 7" round Bi-LED headlight review! - Expedition Portal (http://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/115740-Nolden-7-quot-round-Bi-LED-headlight-review)!

[rijidij]

Here's a good comparison pic from another forum.........upgraded halogens compared to Nolden Bi-Led headlights.

Cheers, Murray

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/03/952.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/LED%20Head%20Lights/Untitled_zpsg6gsjtjw.jpg.html)

[PAT303]

Can't argue with those photo's. Pat

[DiscoMick]

Are LED headlights legal in Australia? I had it in the back of mind that LED driving lights were legal, but not headlights, but I could easily be wrong.


I couldn't find anything about LED headlights on the Queensland Department of Transport site, but I did find a statement saying HID headlights are illegal.


Can I replace my vehicle’s headlight with High Intensity Discharge (HID) lamps?

Retro-fitting High Intensity Gas-Discharge (HID) headlight assemblies to vehicles not originally offered with the technology is generally not permissible as they do not comply with the Australian Design Rules in the following ways:

No headlight self-levelling device is fitted
No self-cleaning function is fitted
The design of the headlamp reflector is not compatible with the bulb (the light is not focused correctly)

[superquag]

Point #3 is the killer. Too much stray light escaping into oncoming driver's eyes, not to mention lighting up the inside of the car in front... and their mirrors. Virtually impossible to modify.

Point #2 is a furphy, just a band-aid to lessen the symptoms,,, Crazing/yellowing plastic headlight 'glass' does as much damage, if not more.

Point #1 is the Big Clue... self-levelling... Why ? - Because they are SO incredibly bright.... way beyond what is needed... that any mis-alignment is going to be dangerous/lethal to some innocent party.

Add to the above the uncomfortable fact that a HID (and LEDs I'v seen,,,) has a spectral distribution that has greater dazzling/distracting impact when you're on the wrong end of it, than equally 'bright' incandescent globes.

I'm referring only to LOW beam....

Case in point would be LED torches. You pay double or triple for a 'warm' white or 'neutral' white than the common 'white'. Lumen-count is invariably less, yet it penetrates and gives more usable detail, especially around foliage.
I had some 'warm white' 3,500 K HID bulbs, and they were better for "seeing" than the same wattage 5,600 K.

[Red90]

Point #3 is the killer.

You can buy housings designed for HID bulbs that fit in 7" housings.

[AndyG]

The housing may accept the bulb, but the reflector is not necessarily designed to manage the light source correctly, says he with HID in his Super Oscars :censored:

[Landybitz]

Very good write up Murray

Theres a lot out there now, some of course don't meet AU/EU specifications.

The DRL'S are also a good idea. and 100% legal.

[Thingy]

I dont know what brand led headlights Kenworth use, but they are absolute rippers.

[BadCo.]

The housing may accept the bulb, but the reflector is not necessarily designed to manage the light source correctly, says he with HID in his Super Oscars :censored:

I think what red90 means, is you can get HID drop in entire light assemblies like the LED headlights in this thread.

For example:

Morimoto Sealed7 Round Headlights (http://www.theretrofitsource.com/complete-headlight-fog-light-housings/morimoto-sealed7-headlights.html/#.VQsLIY6Ucn1)

Although unsure if they are "self leveling"

[AndyG]

Ah I see it now

[DiscoMick]

So, can we summarise by saying that it appears both HID and LED headlights are illegal because they're actually too bright and effective and could be a distraction to oncoming drivers, is that right?
They're OK on driving lights and light bars because they can be turned off when around other drivers.
Think I'll just buy some Phillips plus bulbs and brighten up my standard lights, since I already have Lightforce driving lights to fall back on when necessary.
Incidentally, I often see cars whose lights are much brighter than other vehicles, but appear to be dipped. So, these upgrades are noticeable.

[JDNSW]

The special requirements for HID lights (washers, wipers and self levelling) are not specifically for HID, but for lights above a specified brightness. Which applies to most HID lights, but not necessarily LED.

A separate requirement is that you must use approved lights, and part of that approval includes the type of bulb - this does not only mean HID conversion bulbs are out, but also any other bulb that has a light source with different shape or position to the one used for approval, that gives a different shaped beam.

This means that you can simply swap in any complete light unit that is approved, without any other requirements provided its light output is not excessive. This certainly includes at least some LED units, although most if not all HID units will run into the excessive output problem. One catch to watch out for if ordering from overseas (or even local) is to ensure that the light units are for 'drive on left'.

Virtually all these comments apply only to the dipped beam. There are very few restrictions on high beam or driving lights.

Even if not approved, you would be very unlikely to encounter any problems with LED lights provided they give a beam shape that is sensible, but if they don't, you could be in strife, and without an approval you have no defence.

John

[PAT303]

So, can we summarise by saying that it appears both HID and LED headlights are illegal because they're actually too bright and effective and could be a distraction to oncoming drivers, is that right?
They're OK on driving lights and light bars because they can be turned off when around other drivers.
Think I'll just buy some Phillips plus bulbs and brighten up my standard lights, since I already have Lightforce driving lights to fall back on when necessary.
Incidentally, I often see cars whose lights are much brighter than other vehicles, but appear to be dipped. So, these upgrades are noticeable.

If LR are fitting Norden LED headlights from the factory they can't be illegal. Pat

[DiscoMick]

If LR are fitting Norden LED headlights from the factory they can't be illegal. Pat

Just because it comes from the factory doesn't necessarily mean its legal in this country e.g. try registering a left-hand drive vehicle from the USA in this country without changing it over to right hand drive.

[JDNSW]

Unless I am mistaken, if it has Euro approval for drive on left, which it needs to sell in the UK, it is automatically approved here.

John

[PAT303]

Just because it comes from the factory doesn't necessarily mean its legal in this country e.g. try registering a left-hand drive vehicle from the USA in this country without changing it over to right hand drive.

I don't think Land Rover try to sell LHD defenders here Mick;),I don't know of any changes LR make to the defender to make them Aust compliant either. Pat

[350RRC]

Unless I am mistaken, if it has Euro approval for drive on left, which it needs to sell in the UK, it is automatically approved here.

John

I think you mean LHD.

Goodridge braided stainless brake lines (guaranteed for life) are Euro approved, but not necessarily ADR approved AFAIK, except in Queensland where I must have fitted mine.

If ADR approval is directly related to Euro do you have a link to confirm?

Thanks John, DL

[JDNSW]

I don't think Land Rover try to sell LHD defenders here Mick;),I don't know of any changes LR make to the defender to make them Aust compliant either. Pat

There used to be a bunch of ADRs that were special to Australia, but for probably the last ten years or more about the only special things have been child restraint anchorages. Nearly all ADRs are now copies of Euro ones, not necessarily the latest.

The only changes to current Defenders will be that they may have different standard equipment and options, and the affixing of compliance plates.

John

[Red90]

I think what red90 means, is you can get HID drop in entire light assemblies like the LED headlights in this thread.

Yes, there are a few options. The Hellas are probably the best quality. Crazy cost though. You can get levelling motors for standard Defender headlamps. No idea if you could make them work with something like this.

SM6024BX Hella 90mm Bi-Xenon Headlamp Kit for 7" Sealed Beam Conversion | Rally Lights (http://www.rallylights.com/sm6024bx-hella-90mm-bi-xenon-headlamp-kit-for-7-sealed-beam-conversion.html)

[DiscoMick]

I don't think Land Rover try to sell LHD defenders here Mick;),I don't know of any changes LR make to the defender to make them Aust compliant either. Pat


They fit that silly little extended bracket for the rear number plate which then sticks out the passenger side because we don't get square number plates here, which would fit.

[INVSBL]

They fit that silly little extended bracket for the rear number plate which then sticks out the passenger side because we don't get square number plates here, which would fit.

i was so annoyed when i saw this bracket thing, and we do get square ones in VIC and SA.

[JDNSW]

I think you mean LHD.

Goodridge braided stainless brake lines (guaranteed for life) are Euro approved, but not necessarily ADR approved AFAIK, except in Queensland where I must have fitted mine.

If ADR approval is directly related to Euro do you have a link to confirm?

Thanks John, DL

I don't know about brake lines - I was actually talking about lights, where (as I have looked them up) the NSW regulations are a direct copy of Euro ones.

Brake lines, as with any other safety related part, the general rule is that part replacements must be the same as the parts specified by the manufacturer - which needs to be documented. But as with all registration requirements - these may vary from state to state. While all states and territories have agreed to accept ADRs, these have to be implemented in legislation or regulations - and then interpreted by the registration authorities. The results of this are not always uniform.

John

[Mercguy]

I did a lot of research on this a couple of years back, when looking for 146mm lamps.
Back then only JW speaker had an LED unit, and the lumen output versus the cost was just staggeringly stupid. Noone made an E marked LHT version of a projector HID for 146mm. There were some crappy chinese polycarb housings with massive dome clear lenses, but they were so distorted it wasn't funny.

How things have changed...

I remember when JW Speaker first came out with the 8000 series 7" LED's. they were nearly 1K AUD per unit. So prices have almost halved, they have several models and multiple evolutions of those models, although only the 8700 series style was ever relevant, as it was a hi/low beam setup.

One thing that is often lost on people is the quality control process for chinese manufactured lights. Sure, they may look the same. Trust me when I say the quality control is NOT there. One of the reasons units like the Nolden, trucklite and Speaker cost so much compared to others is the QC process. Also, as any electronics manufacturer can tell you, out of a production run of hundreds of thousands of single units, only about 20% are in the top 1% of tolerances. This is something even chip manufacturers still struggle with today. It's another reason we go to small volume/high cost manufacturers in countries like japan for example (and in europe as well, fwiw) to source custom silicon prototypes.

The trucklite, speaker and nolden units are high cost because of the QC process. Those Cree LED's are not all created equal. It's another reason you have companies like visionX taking full control over the LED die, to ensure they meet specification.

And all of that simply equates to added cost for guaranteed reliability.

But.....

Are they better?

Well, from a vibration / abuse perspective, you would favour LED's over incandescent globes and even HID to an extent. but you could buy quite a few sets of incandescent H4 globes for the cost of even a single 7" LED lamp, with HID's sitting not far behind (and I'm not talking about those cheapass crap conversion HID's, I'm referring to proper projector housings like Hella's 7" unit).

For temperature colour, it is very very hard to go past the natural warm yellowish tungsten filament from an incandescent globe. It suits our eyes, in that the glare is not as 'damaging' when you're in oncoming traffic. The downside is relatively speaking - low lumen output for current draw, and large amounts of heat. Basically they are not the most efficient lights out there, but they are NICE to see with.

Then at the other end of the spectrum (literally) you can have HID lamps with temps of over 12000?K which is just purile and ricer-boy styling exercise.... but you CAN have HID's with low low low 3000?K temps and very high lumen outputs. and if you overdrive them (say a 35w with a 55w ballast) they can produce a higher lumen output albeit at the expense of shorter lifespan of the globe.

For HID's I've found the optimal temp to be around 4600?K for hi/low and 3300?K for fogs. If you are a DIY'er, then you can use products from vendors like TRS, and britaxe to make your own projector HID 7" conversion, and then plumb in washer nozzles, and you will still comply with ADR's (if they concerned you at all).

For LED's, it's still a little harder - in that you're limited to 'decent' but expensive (still) technology, and quality issues.

Having said that, quality is an issue that exists across all 3 variations.... globes, ballasts and LED dies.

The only thing I can say about all of the variations is quite simply, you get what you pay for.

7 years ago I bought my first H4 HID retrofit kit. It was a Philips/osram setup and it is still working perfectly without any issue.

I've purchased projector kits from TRS, and used morimoto and osram globes, and had no failures to date.

4 years ago I purchased my first LED driving lights (great whites) and they were only the 9 led version. This year, I moved them from my SL to the Rangie and discovered that the rear connector housing was cracked at the screws. It wasn't affecting the operation, i just noticed it had occurred, so I decided to test the warranty.
I took pictures of them and the serial numbers and emailed it off to ashdown, who responded immediately - 2 replacements on the way.
The email from the distributor (visionX) was interesting. The units I had purchased, were pre-production evalutation units, and they should have been returned (but werent - this may have been my fault actually) and they were very grateful to receive them after 4 years, with only this issue.

Interestingly enough, that problem was rectified in the initial production run, and was made 3x thicker and the company have not had a single failure since.

The moral of the story is you get what you pay for here.... but more importantly, purchasing from the correct local channels ensures that you get immediate warranty attention and any replacement is very rapid. I only have good things to say about Ashdown-Ingram and their exceptional customer service. If you are in Sydney, then speak to Tony Rossitano and tell him I sent you.

I'm sure there are plenty of stories out there equally as pleasing about cheaper units. But I am not the kind of person who wastes money needlessly. I have expectations that a product with a price premium should last and should be backed up by exceptional after-sales service. I know those lights were expensive, and for me the decision to purchase a second set, did not come 'lightly' (excuse the pun, couldn't resist).

And JW Speaker??? well, I'll be honest and say 'not all they're cracked up to be'

I haven't seen Nolden units available, but I'd be interested in them, and Truck-lite have an excellent reputation in the industry for their newest 7" unit.

Also worth noting, for landy nuts is that Bearmach are selling the 'ring' brand 7" LED lights, RHL149 & RHL150 but you can see them direct here: Ring (http://www.ringautomotive.co.uk/uk/products/Commercial/Lighting+Units/Forward+Lighting/RHL149) or here Vehicle Lighting, Bulbs, Lamps, Auto Electrical, Chargers, Battery Packs - Ring Automotive (http://www.ringautomotive.co.uk/uk/content/commercial-lighting-units)

My only suggestion to those contemplating them is to spend time researching the brand before purchasing. In the case of Truck-lite, I can pretty much confirm that so many transport companies are going to the LED units that you may have trouble getting hold of a pair.

Also make sure you are aware that RHD = LHT (left hand traffic) so if you are ordering part numbers from overseas websites, make sure you get the correct E marked versions.

Myself? well I replaced the 7" reflectors in my RRC when I bought the car, and run hella inserts with a high quality german made osram 130/90w H4 globe, which is correctly adjusted. Yes, the low beam is a little lame compared to the new HID sedan cars, but it is very good for an incandescent globe, and the high beam is very satisfactory on paved highway. but when I'm out in the sticks, those 18LED great whites provide all the extra distance I could ever need, and certainly satisfy my requirements of low current draw and high lumen output (unlike the h4 globes in high/low beam).

I'll keep a lookout for those Nolden units, and may purchase a set of truck-lites in the near future if I cannot find a decent supplier.

As for other lighting projects, I'm currently embarked on a diy set of H1 HID extra-long throw 146mm high beam for a soon-to-be arriving roof rack.

[350RRC]

Good post Merc,

The 'k' reference with HID is nothing to do with temp (as in degrees Kelvin) but colour.

I had HID's for headlights, H4 hi lo, for a number of years till one globe blew. Back on halogen for the time being.

Mine were 5000k and a bit too pale blue. Would go 4300 next time. I needed really good low beam to see the LHS road edge on dodgy roads with oncoming traffic in the wee hours of the morning whilst going to meetings in western Vic.

Used to go past the dairy farms in action pre dawn, and drive home when they were in their second shift.

My normal 7" housings were aimed lower than normal with the HID's and no one ever flashed me while on low beam.

Will get around to refitting HID's, just no urgency atm.

cheers, DL

[flagg]

And JW Speaker??? well, I'll be honest and say 'not all they're cracked up to be'

thanks for the post mate.. why are the JW Speakers not that good?

[Mercguy]

Good post Merc,

The 'k' reference with HID is nothing to do with temp (as in degrees Kelvin) but colour.


cheers, DL


I reread my post and it wasn't very clear - so hope to remove any misunderstanding....

the 'colour' of the HID lights is measured in spectral temperature, which is quoted in degrees Kelvin Temperature.
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No need to go into it in any great length but if anyone does : Color temperature - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_temperature)

Cut a long story short, we used to do this about 20 years ago when callibrating CRT monitors for (then) digital proofing (desktop publishing) so you could get a wysiwyg relationship between the colours on the screen and the printing process.

Anyway,

There is absolutely nothing wrong with HID or LED, provided that the colour temperature does not exceed 6000K. After that, you can be defected by dept of transport (something about UV & 'blinding' effect, but geez, I drive around with my orange lenses to stop oncoming dazzle nowadays. Must be my age)

Regarding the JW Speaker Hi/Lo LED 7" drivers.... I tested a set of these a few years back, and the light output was far less than I expected. without wanting to be a jerk, I'll try and put it sucinctly.
Instead of using the standard 7" Speaker replacement for the headlight on my ducati, I instead purchased 2 OEX (vision x) 10w cree spread-beam 'driving lights' and used them for low beam instead. Later I decided I wanted some pencil beams, and bought 2 of those. I found I could ride the bike at (stupidly fast) speeds through dark twisty forrested local roads without needing a main beam.
Later on, I ended up buying a single 9LED great whites unit and used that as the replacement high beam instead of the 7" lamp.

but before I did all that, I tested the JW Speaker unit. It had less output than the 2 10w spread beam (remember those lamps have no cutoff and had to be severely angled downwards to not affect oncoming traffic). In fact I was so apprehensive about the throw from the speaker, I only tested it for one night before remobing it and putting back the standard 35W tungsten lamp. That is how scary it was.... And if anyone here knows anything about riding a bike on damp twisty roads in the dark, then they would understand exactly how bad the situation is when you replace any aftermarket illumination product with the standard crappy ducati incandescent 7" headlamp.

I have to say, it was very experimental at the time, but the LED's were perfect. I had so many riders asking me about the conversion, that I swear I tripled the business for great whites. before long there were a few local riders attempting similar conversions with cheap ebay chinese crap, and not getting the same results and whingeing about it.... and following me when we'd ride through the park or up the pass etc. so it was all proof that not all lights are created equal.

There is only one key differentiator for me, which was low current draw. LED's by far had the lowest current draw for the equivalent lumen output. It is simply put, the only reason I chose LED driving lights instead of doing a DIY HID again (although I find myself wanting to do this again for sheer curiosity - from a beam angle perspective).

I know those fyrlyts are raved about, and others swear by HID's - be they hella, narva, or even cibie super oscar conversions, but at the end of the day, mounting a HID setup on the bullbar poses some issues, especially where remote ballasts are concerned. Then there is the associated water ingress etc... So it was far easier to make the choice.

Cost is an issue. Actually, it is a BIG issue still. For the cost of the LED's I could have bought some serious HID lamps and had spare change. obviously not if I bought some of hellas predator IX's but you get my point - in that just about every hid driving light currently on the market is cheaper than a set of LED's.

As for headlamps.... well I'm only using the incandescent hella h4 reflectors because I've had loads of experience with them in the past and they are truly reliable. And if the wiring to the globes is done correctly, then the light output is perfectly adequate for suburban / highway driving. You only really need the additional light when driving interstate or country backroads... or 4wd'ing.

But like I said before - the argument for lumens vs current draw is always going to be the one that wins it for LED's. They wont win on price - at least for the near future, so if I were to make a choice right now, in having to replace a set of 7" lamp housings, I'd simply either fab a set of HID projectors with a TRS kit in a britaxe 7" housing, or buy the hella 7" retrofit unit. The only thing is, I'm also aware of the costs of truly top quality osram HID globes, and they are not far behind LED driving lamps in terms of outlay.... and I wouldn't waste my time with a cheap jaycar kit or ebay crap.

but truck-lite's new version of their 7" hi/lo LED appears to be the ducks - from all the people I know who have retrofitted them. So they are something I would consider in the near future - perhaps when I burn a globe out... but right now, I'm content with having a nice warm incandescent light, albeit with the drawback of greater current draw than standard.

Apologies if that sounds like a bit of a rant - Whatever you do, make sure you get a guarantee of a full refund on the lights you intend to purchase, if you find they are not satisfactory after fitment. Do not be surprised by the change in colour temperature of the LED's or be fooled into believing they are better simply because the light is a different hue. Test them in the rain on an unlit road and see if they illuminate the white lines clearly for 50-75 metres ahead of the vehicle in heavy rain. That is where I found most 5-6000K units have their downfall.

[BadCo.]

Some good info there mercguy.

I was also keen on the latest truck lights, but after seeing the photos at the start of the thread, I think I might wait a few more revisions.

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[joel0407]

If ADR approval is directly related to Euro do you have a link to confirm?

Thanks John, DL


Yes this is correct. I don't know where to find it. I guess it's in the ADR. It basiaclly says if something hasn't been tested in Australia but it has in the UK then that test stands. I know about this becasue I bought a Tow Bar for my Skoda from the UK. It doesn't have a ADR certification but it does a Euro. It's basically there becasue there would be no way the Ausrtalian testers could never keep up with all the stuff realeased in the world and we shouldn't be disadvantaged for that reason.

I know this doesn't relate directly toward the performance of the lights but it does for those asking about the legality of fitting them.

Happy Days.

[joel0407]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Forum_for_Harmonization_of_Vehicle_Regulatio ns#Type_approval

Type Approval
The 1958 Agreement operates on the principles of type approval and reciprocal recognition. Any country that accedes to the 1958 Agreement has authority to test and approve any manufacturer's design of a regulated product, regardless of the country in which that component was produced. Each individual design from each individual manufacturer is counted as one individual type'. Once any acceding country grants a type approval, every other acceding country is obliged to honor that type approval and regard that vehicle or item of motor vehicle equipment as legal for import, sale and use. Items type-approved according to a UN Regulation are marked with an E and a number, within a circle. The number indicates which country approved the item, and other surrounding letters and digits indicate the precise version of the regulation met and the type approval number, respectively.
Although all countries' type approvals are legally equivalent, there are real and perceived differences in the rigour with which the regulations and protocols are applied by different national type approval authorities. Some countries have their own national standards for granting type approvals, which may be more stringent than called for by the UN regulations themselves. Within the auto parts industry, a German (E1) type approval, for example, is regarded as a measure of insurance against suspicion of poor quality or an undeserved type approval.


UN Regulations (1958 Agreement)
Regs 41-60 - Transport - UNECE (http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs41-60.html)

[350RRC]

Thanks Joel,

I actually asked the question to JDNSW in relation to this topic, he seemed to know how cross jurisdictions work:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/219366-braided-brake-lines-improve-braking.html

i.e. Goodridge braided lines are TUV and DOT approved in the UK and whether the same approval would satisfy ADR in Oz.

cheers, DL

[rijidij]

I finally got my hands on some genuine JW Speaker lights, and they're the latest updated 8700 Evo 2. The most obvious change is the addition of two more projector lenses (indicated by the arrows below) to manipulate the beam pattern.
The light at the Right of this pic is the best of the three Chinese copies I've tested. I must say, both lights look awesome in the flesh, the Chinese sure are good at making something 'look' good, but I'm sure there are many differences if you delve into the details, for example, looking into the guts of the lights you can clearly see they have completely different SMDs, and the Speaker has single SMDs for each lens while the Chinese one has multiples.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/07/149.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/LED%20Head%20Lights/Speaker-vs-Aurora_zpssujumoi4.jpg.html)

As for the beams (See below), there's clearly a difference there too. The JW Speaker has a very tidy low beam with a very definite straight cut off line at the top. High beam adds not only more light, but also adds a higher beam pattern.
The Chinese light on the other hand does not have a straight cut off on low beam and simply adds more light in the middle for high beam.

The JW Speaker 8700 Evo 2's are $1600-$1750 per pair, these particular Chinese lights can be had for about $350 per pair.
In my opinion, there is not $1200 worth of extra light emanating from the more expensive light, but the more important issue here for most is ADR compliance...........guess which one doesn't comply :)

Unfortunately I wont be able to test the JW Speakers on my car as they are for a customer, but I'm sure they will be very good.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/07/150.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/LED%20Head%20Lights/Speaker-vs-Aurora_2_zpsebhd8kgi.jpg.html)

Cheers, Murray

[JDNSW]

Looking at those patterns it seems highly unlikely that the Aurora light would meet the low beam shape criteria.

For that matter, the JW Speaker beam, while it may meet the minimum standards, does have a very bright spot in the centre above the cutoff edge, and both lights have the top of the low beam drooping both to left and right - most halogen lights have the left hand side rising, as is allowed, and even if flat, do not droop to the left.

For a Defender, or any other vehicle with two headlights for that matter, low beam is the important one - you can always fit driving lights if the high beam is inadequate.

John

[rijidij]

This is another design spin on LED headlights. I'm currently running these on my County.
They are another Chinese light and they are not marked with any certification so will not be ADR approved.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/03/625.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/LED%20Head%20Lights/75w%20Head%20Light_zpsaiekuvd6.jpg.html)

They have a very different beam pattern with the middle row of lenses being low beam and high beam adding in the other 8 lights. The low beam lenses are shaped in a way that they spread the light in a horizontal oblong. The high beam lenses are a spot pattern and give a reasonable distance penetration.
The main problem with the other Chinese lights I've tested is, there is very little difference between low and high beam. These ones however have a significant difference.
I like driving with these ones and will probably stick with them, unless I can find some JW Speaker Evo 2's at a nice price.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/07/142.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/LED%20Head%20Lights/Loy_vs_847_2_zpsypkfwgpe.jpg.html)

Compared to the Chinese copy of the JW Speaker the 847 has a more 'friendly' low beam and a more useful high beam.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/07/143.jpg (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/rijidij/media/LED%20Head%20Lights/Loy_vs_847_zpsakwcgl1m.jpg.html)

Cheers, Murray

[Patchy]

Nice comparision mate and some nice pics been reading through and looking at all the pics but now im a bit lost after all your testing what do u think are the best value? I'd love JW Speakers but could never justify the cost of them. Would u recommend the Aurora or the last pair you fitted to your country also where about are your sourcing them from just Ebay or are you selling these yourself

cheers Brian

[rijidij]

Nice comparision mate and some nice pics been reading through and looking at all the pics but now im a bit lost after all your testing what do u think are the best value? I'd love JW Speakers but could never justify the cost of them. Would u recommend the Aurora or the last pair you fitted to your country also where about are your sourcing them from just Ebay or are you selling these yourself

cheers Brian

G'day Brian,
Ideally, I too would love to have the JW Speakers, but I'm not prepared to spend that sort of money on them.
The JW Speakers and Truck-Lites come straight from the States, and I get my other samples straight from suppliers in China.
Of the cheaper lights I would recommend the 847, that's what I'll be using.
I will not sell the Chinese lights through my business due to their non compliance, but all these lights are showing up on Ebay and the prices are coming down all the time.......here's an example 75W Truck 7in Round LED Headlights (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pair-75W-Truck-7in-Round-LED-Headlights-For-Hummer-Jeep-Wrangler-CJ-TJ-JK-Lamp-/281661268854?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item419451e376)
So, for $279 per pair delivered to your door, you can't go wrong, as long as you are aware of the non compliance and possible issues with warranty, insurance, etc on newer cars.

Cheers, Murray

[Patchy]

Cheers mate I'll have a sus out on ebay and yeah fully aware of the non adr thing and not fussed there are plenty of other mods we all do to our cars that are much the same so much of a muchness at the end of the day

[roverrescue]

I have held off adding to this thread till I was comfortable with my testing.
At the beginning of the year I crossed the Morgan Rv at windscreen depth (to get to a secret barra hole) anyways, my supposedly sealed crystal H4 lights half filled with river water and didnt work so well after that... so I chumped up and installed a pair:

http://www.ledether.com/LED_Headlamps_Light/%20-598.html

Obviously the units are PRC magic but they do have the following:
certificated E4.122 of the first Royal Dutch Ministry of Transportation in China,meet Europe's most high-end quality standard and based on the standard of headlight equipment.
Read that chinglish however you choose...

Now I can add some photos later but in my opinion these jiggers have an awesome light pattern. On low beam they dip left and have a very flat cutout across the top like the JW evo2 but without the central glare in the photos above. On high beam they fill out nicely. Certainly a better pattern IMHO than any posted in this thread?

Landed price was just under $500 for the pair - service was excellent

I have flogged the ute up the PDR a few times, round the block locally and down the Bloomfield half a dozen times and on the black plenty. Lights solid as install date, no issues what so ever.

Just another option to add to the fray.
If I get a chance Ill upload some pictures from the jiggers later.

Steve

[scott oz]

HI All

just cross Billing off my bucket list.

While there purchased replacement LED headlight 220 Pounds a pair.

Spoke to a number of se;;ers abput left/right bias. All advised in the E U & US LED's have no bias adjustment is only by the adjustment screws.

This was one issue I was concerned about.

The had the Speaker EVO 2 for 499pound.

Anyhow wil let you know how they go when fitted.

Will say there seems to be a number of 7inc replacement brands hitting the market so expect the price to drop in the future.

[scott oz]

HI All

just crossed Billing off my bucket list.

While there I purchased replacement LED headlight 220 Pounds a pair.

Spoke to a number of sellers abput left/right bias. All advised in the E U & US LED's have no bias adjustment is only by the adjustment screws.

This was one issue I was concerned about.

They had the Speaker EVO 2 for 499pound.

Anyhow wil let you know how they go when fitted.

Will say there seems to be a number of 7inc replacement brands hitting the market so expect the price to drop in the future.

[Tombie]

HI All

just crossed Billing off my bucket list.

While there I purchased replacement LED headlight 220 Pounds a pair.

Spoke to a number of sellers abput left/right bias. All advised in the E U & US LED's have no bias adjustment is only by the adjustment screws.

This was one issue I was concerned about.

They had the Speaker EVO 2 for 499pound.

Anyhow wil let you know how they go when fitted.

Will say there seems to be a number of 7inc replacement brands hitting the market so expect the price to drop in the future.

Interesting... The Noldens have the correct dip to left bias...

You can not adjust low beam to left and then expect High beam to perform correctly as it will head for the scrub as well :o

[Andrew86]

Has anyone here purchased a set of Noldens recently? There seems to be a second generation available now that has a horizontal daytime running light across the middle of the lamp. I'm not sure what I think of them...hard to tell without seeing them in the flesh.

Nolden LED headlights Generation 2 with DRL - 4x4overlander (http://www.4x4overlander.com/product/nolden-led-headlights-generation-2/)

4x4overlander.com - Supplying Overland Travellers (http://www.4x4overlander.com) still has the first gen lights on their website for a decent price so I might just go with them.

[Red90]

Look up “Headlight Revolution” on YouTube. They have done a great series testing a whole bunch of 7” round LED headlamps.

[rayhyland]

I kind of went the other way in my RRC build. I have the Truck Lite 7 LEDs in my 110 and was enjoying good light. When I bought my RRC it had horrible blue aftermarket lights. I looked at buying LEDs but I thought they looked a bit weird on a truck that I was trying to keep Classic-looking.
But, since everyone is going to LED, the workshop I visit had a bunch of Hella H4 lenses laying around, which I picked up for free. I grabbed a pair of Hella H4 90/130 bulbs for $12 and I am very pleased with the look and the light output. In town they are perfect.
I have a set of IPF spot/floods for bush driving that I will be mounting in a few months.

[manic]

Fitted a pair of noldens recently, same as found on the defender works V8 [emoji41]

Dipped beam has a razor sharp cut off and spreads out wide. Beyond the cut off it is pitch black. No spill. Not sure thats a good thing.

High beam is narrow and shoots straight ahead with little flood up, down or to the sides.

Out on the trails you need high beam to flood out in all directions. But these lights effectively switch between low and wide OR straight ahead narrow. Its one or the other. High beam does not build ontop of low beam.

Hopefully I can find a way to get both projectors lit up for a true full beam!

[Island_Moose]

I'm in the middle of a project to improve my lighting.

1. I installed relays to take the full current out of the headlight switch - DONE
2. I bought these LED headlights (DOT approved) with halo daytime running lights - DONE
139962

3. I'm regretting step #2 because I have a problem...

I have yet to complete the wiring, I've purchased a Hella smart DRL controller that will turn the halo on when the engine starts, and should also turn the halo off when the low beams come on (this is a new law in NZ)

The headlights have a small red lead next to the main plug which is suppose to control the halo. Trouble is, the halo ALSO seems to be energised by the main headlight. In other words, when I turn my headlights on the halo comes on...and the red wire is not even connected to anything yet.

Clearly if I can't sort this the headlights will have to go back, or I will fail my next WOF inspection.

Can anyone who has installed a similar unit shed some light (see what I did there?).

I'm not giving you the branch because I don't know...$200 Chinese generic.

[BadCo.]

I'm in the middle of a project to improve my lighting.

1. I installed relays to take the full current out of the headlight switch - DONE
2. I bought these LED headlights (DOT approved) with halo daytime running lights - DONE
139962

3. I'm regretting step #2 because I have a problem...

I have yet to complete the wiring, I've purchased a Hella smart DRL controller that will turn the halo on when the engine starts, and should also turn the halo off when the low beams come on (this is a new law in NZ)

The headlights have a small red lead next to the main plug which is suppose to control the halo. Trouble is, the halo ALSO seems to be energised by the main headlight. In other words, when I turn my headlights on the halo comes on...and the red wire is not even connected to anything yet.

Clearly if I can't sort this the headlights will have to go back, or I will fail my next WOF inspection.

Can anyone who has installed a similar unit shed some light (see what I did there?).

I'm not giving you the branch because I don't know...$200 Chinese generic.You don't legally need DRLs on your vehicle, so why not just treat the halos as park lights?

[Island_Moose]

You don't legally need DRLs on your vehicle, so why not just treat the halos as park lights?

Because they currently come on with the headlight low beam. It's the situation that they come on without input on the DRL lead that is the problem.

[manic]

Because they currently come on with the headlight low beam. It's the situation that they come on without input on the DRL lead that is the problem.Use your park/side lights for DRL. Many Defenders were wired up to put the dip beam on with side lights using a dim dip relay. If you have the dim dip relay, ditch it. Then add the halo to the side light circuit. You dont need a drl sensor, just turn your side lights on when you get in the car! [emoji6]

Ps. Regarding NZ law. Those halos are not considered DRL lights, they are part of the main headlight assembly which is dot approved. The halo can be on with the dip/main beam, as intended.

[Island_Moose]

Use your park/side lights for DRL. Many Defenders were wired up to put the dip beam on with side lights using a dim dip relay. If you have the dim dip relay, ditch it. Then add the halo to the side light circuit. You dont need a drl sensor, just turn your side lights on when you get in the car! [emoji6]

Ps. Regarding NZ law. Those halos are not considered DRL lights, they are part of the main headlight assembly which is dot approved. The halo can be on with the dip/main beam, as intended.

Mate if you are 100% sure of this I will be a happy camper.

[Classic88]

These guys seem to have a range of 7-inch projector headlights which are styled to retain a classic look.

Projector Headlights – Tagged "7 Inch" – Dapper Lighting (https://www.dapperlighting.com/collections/projector-headlights/7-inch)

[JDNSW]

But do any of them dip left?

[Tombie]

But do any of them dip left?

Don’t need too.. cut off is sharp

[goingbush]

I just bought a set of these for my EVLightweight

the thing that attracted me to them is low beam is only 15W ,

The Lightweight has 55/60 Halogens at the moment , I was not expecting to drive the thing at night so didn't worry about the headlights till now, but find myself driving it a lot more than anticipated .

When they arrive I'll let you know how they compare to the LED Trucklites I had on my Defender, these are obviously a Chinese Trucklite copy at a fraction of the cost.




Opar 7 inch Round LED Headlights High/Low Beam for Jeep Wrangler JK TJ 97-17 766832948056 | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Opar-7-inch-Round-LED-Headlights-High-Low-Beam-for-Jeep-Wrangler-JK-TJ-97-17/152843063509'ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)

[JDNSW]

Don’t need too.. cut off is sharp

If they dip right, that is a problem. And I'm not clear why a sharp cutoff means that dipping left is not an improvement, even if not a legal requirement. And are these lights ADR (or
legal equivalent) compliant, and so marked?

[Tombie]

If they dip right, that is a problem. And I'm not clear why a sharp cutoff means that dipping left is not an improvement, even if not a legal requirement. And are these lights ADR (or
legal equivalent) compliant, and so marked?

Most LEDs dip straight.

[BadCo.]

But do any of them dip left?The Dapper lights can be purchased as US or UK/AU, so I'm presuming that is referring to the dip.

[austastar]

The Dapper lights can be purchased as US or UK/AU, so I'm presuming that is referring to the dip.Hi,

Link (https://goo.gl/images/kh7ACm)
AU/UK pattern.

Cheers

[goingbush]

My $115 pair of LED 7" headlight arrived , (eBay link in post above) fitted to Electric Lightweight & tested , every bit as good as the $500 Trucklites I put on the Defender. Only issue is there is a slight Colour temperature difference between them , might explain why they are so cheap. So impressed I just bought a 2nd set , both as a spare and I might be able too mix & match to get an exact colour temperature pair , even though its only just discernible.

I'll put a youtube together of testing them dachcam clips,

I hate how they look though compared to the classic light, but 15W on Low beam & 45W on High beam , I'll take low energy consumption over looks.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2018/05/249.jpg

[goingbush]

Mainly testing low beam around town , (above headlights) to make cutoff is below oncoming drivers vision . You can see I got no flashes so all good , I high beamed a van with lights off , but no response.

Pretty good actually.


https://youtu.be/VR_btA8LQF8

[DiscoMick]

Good value for money. Are they ADR--approved?

[goingbush]

Good value for money. Are they ADR--approved?

Nope probably why they are so cheap, ADR approval process would bring a higher price , but they are stamped DOT & some other approval. Colour temp between lights is slightly off too.

[DiscoMick]

So if they're not ADR does that make the vehicle unroadworthy and void the registration and insurance, making you vulnerable to prosecution, particularly if the vehicle is involved in a collision?

[Vern]

Nope probably why they are so cheap, ADR approval process would bring a higher price , but they are stamped DOT & some other approval. Colour temp between lights is slightly off too.Dot and tuv?

[Vern]

So if they're not ADR does that make the vehicle unroadworthy and void the registration and insurance, making you vulnerable to prosecution, particularly if the vehicle is involved in a collision?My brake lines aren't adr, but they are tuv, which is equivalent (or higher), both my engineer and rwc guy were happy with that.

[Tombie]

Let’s get this clear people....

Even IF a light is ADR approved it does NOT mean it’s approved for a specific vehicle. In this case a Defender type.

Yes it’s good to have those DOT & E marks etc stamped on it - but from China anything can be stamped on it [emoji6]

The ONLY approved LED headlights for a Defender are the JB units on the G4 and limited editions.

[manic]

Does JB = Nolden?

[goingbush]

Regardless of weather the light is approved or not , Makes no difference so long as its mounted in accordance with ADR guidelines , IE distance between lights / height / brightens / aiming / etc .

If you have one ADR approved headlight pointing high, or leave your ADR approved lights on high beam in traffic your could get pinged .

But if you've got correctly installed lights & dip accordingly you have nothing to worry about .
I had my Defender pass RWC with non approved LED's
I'd prever to be able to see where I'm going than to pander to semantics.

And whilst on ADR's there in nothing at all ADR compliant about the bloody Iveco brakes , but thats legal on the back of EU certification despite the fact it could never pass a full on ADR brake fade test & it has no shuttle valve to warn of line fail & no secondary reserve fluid for when a line does fail & they do. But they are legal & even the RVCS is fine with it.

[Tombie]

Does JB = Nolden?

Sorry yes.

JB (G4 models)
Nolden - Limited edition models

[Tombie]

Regardless of weather the light is approved or not , Makes no difference so long as its mounted in accordance with ADR guidelines , IE distance between lights / height / brightens / aiming / etc .

If you have one ADR approved headlight pointing high, or leave your ADR approved lights on high beam in traffic your could get pinged .

But if you've got correctly installed lights & dip accordingly you have nothing to worry about .
I had my Defender pass RWC with non approved LED's
I'd prever to be able to see where I'm going than to pander to semantics.

And whilst on ADR's there in nothing at all ADR compliant about the bloody Iveco brakes , but thats legal on the back of EU certification despite the fact it could never pass a full on ADR brake fade test & it has no shuttle valve to warn of line fail & no secondary reserve fluid for when a line does fail & they do. But they are legal & even the RVCS is fine with it.

Just because a vehicle passes a RWC doesn’t make it legal.

[DiscoMick]

Regardless of weather the light is approved or not , Makes no difference so long as its mounted in accordance with ADR guidelines , IE distance between lights / height / brightens / aiming / etc .

If you have one ADR approved headlight pointing high, or leave your ADR approved lights on high beam in traffic your could get pinged .

But if you've got correctly installed lights & dip accordingly you have nothing to worry about .
I had my Defender pass RWC with non approved LED's
I'd prever to be able to see where I'm going than to pander to semantics.

And whilst on ADR's there in nothing at all ADR compliant about the bloody Iveco brakes , but thats legal on the back of EU certification despite the fact it could never pass a full on ADR brake fade test & it has no shuttle valve to warn of line fail & no secondary reserve fluid for when a line does fail & they do. But they are legal & even the RVCS is fine with it.OK I didn't mean to start an argument here, so sorry. I was just curious to know if any LED headlights are actually legal on a Defender.
Looking at land Rover Owner magazine April shows that JW LED headlights are pretty pricey. I see:
JW Speaker LED Headlamp with DRL 699 pounds
Headlight EVO 2 (JW Speaker) 499 pounds
Vortex LED headlight - chrome or black chrome - 3800 lumens 699 pounds
I also recall Nugget Stuff selling LED headlights for about $550 from memory.
So, I guess the question is, are LED headlights worth the price tag?

[goingbush]

Just because a vehicle passes a RWC doesn’t make it legal.

Probably not, especially in South Australia where you don't even need RWC checks

what is legal anyway, there are a number of new vehicles which fail ADR's , to note Mercedes G350 has exhaust exit under rear passenger door , with opening window . thats illegal in my book


its all got to go with brown paper bags changing hands under the table.

[goingbush]

So, I guess the question is, are LED headlights worth the price tag?

ALL depends on how much disposable income you've got , After spending upwards of 20K on converting my Lightweight to electric another $500 here or there is nothing , yes $500 LED's are worth it for safety alone, but these $130 light are just as good, why waste $370 on semantics.

Ive has 2 blue plates & 3 RWC's on my lightweight I'm calling it 100% legal , but I've since removed the rear mud flaps & installed non approved LED's

The worlds still spinning

[Phil B]

Thanks for the report. I've found it very useful. Agree about the very good price. Please let us know how they go in the long run.

[Tombie]

Probably not, especially in South Australia where you don't even need RWC checks

what is legal anyway, there are a number of new vehicles which fail ADR's , to note Mercedes G350 has exhaust exit under rear passenger door , with opening window . thats illegal in my book


its all got to go with brown paper bags changing hands under the table.

Exemptions at time of approval is what gets it across the line. Like wheel spacers, or wheels wider than 8”.

[goingbush]

Exemptions at time of approval is what gets it across the line. Like wheel spacers, or wheels wider than 8”.

agreed , when you look up the Iveco compliance number on RVCS you can find the document of items that don't comply with ADR but are exempt, but the brake ADR fails are not noted ,