dash cam, School Bus illegal maneuver

[goingbush]

I was going down Hallam Road about 4.30 on Friday and could not believe the amount of people that illegaly went though the boom gates stuck down at Hallam station. 3 trains went through while they were stuck, I was happy to wait and watch the dickheads, I'd reckon about 50 people went through including 2 school busses.

I put a one minute clip on you tube, and 7 news picked up on it, saw it on TV last night.

charges would be

crossing double lines
running a red light
running a pedestrian crossing
going through boom gates

I think buses have special laws, and a school bus !!! :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo9Ns2u1SZM&feature=youtu.be

[Ausfree]

That's Unbelievable!!!!:o Those school bus drivers should immediately be sacked, if I was the parent of one of the children on those buses I would demand immediate answers!!!!:mad:

As for the rest of those drivers, it's hard to believe such morons continue to live!!!:mad:

[Mick_Marsh]

Hallam! What else did you expect?
Par for the course around the Dandenong South area.

[spudboy]

Well, the anarchist in me says why not. If the boom gates are inoperable, and have been that way for ages, and you stop and have a careful look, then it's no worse than my local (uncontrolled) railway crossing.

All we've got is a stop sign, so we stop, take a look up and down the tracks, and go if it is clear. It's not rocket science.

[p38arover]

I hope the cops can get the rego numbers from your video.

Not long after I started as a signaller on the railway I was assigned to the signal box at the railway crossing on Parramatta Rd. at Auburn in Sydney.

I'd first put on the bells and lights but never dropped the gates and gave the signal to a train until the traffic had stopped. You'd be surprised at how many drivers stopped on the tracks as soon as they heard the bells and I'd have to go out and tell them to move.

But from your video, you wouldn't be surprised at how many drivers did just what you saw.

[goingbush]

Well, the anarchist in me says why not. If the boom gates are inoperable, and have been that way for ages, and you stop and have a careful look, then it's no worse than my local (uncontrolled) railway crossing.

All we've got is a stop sign, so we stop, take a look up and down the tracks, and go if it is clear. It's not rocket science.


Im a closet anarchist too but thats flawed logic, would you go through a red light if there were no cars coming ??

[POD]

Almost the only thing I am not permitted to do as the driver of an emergency vehicle is to proceed through a level crossing when the warning signals are operating. I know that crossing at Hallam road very well, for one thing it has 2 tracks which is different to a typical uncontrolled level crossing in a rural area, also the visibility either way is not good.
There was a school bus driver filmed talking on his phone a couple of years ago, resulted in him being sacked. Same should apply to the driver in this video.

[WhiteD3]

You blokes have it all wrong. All those people had an emergency. including the school bus. Why else would the not want to wait 5 minutes for the signals to change?

:wasntme:




What was that VIC road safety message years ago..............."better to be 5 minutes late than dead on time".

More seriously, I have no dramas with people practicing Darwinism but not when they involve others....like school kids and train drivers.

[superquag]

... because when you're sitting there for FIVE WHOLE MINUTES, it seems like an eternity... add another and maybe a third rail crossing to your route, throw in a couple of "idiotic" traffic-light sets to eat up an excess "only" a minute or three... EACH....and I'm not surprised that so many folk treat a red light with contempt.

[boa]

Two things who much money has been made from this upload. An ad first. Secondly how many people every day make the right decisions at how many uncontrolled intersections everyday. Just because it is controlled does this mean we loose control of that judgement. All vehicles stopped looked etc. What a beat up. All they did was drive to the conditions at the time. There is hope for man kind if we can think independently.

[Roverlord off road spares]

My son got stuck at some lights today (not these ones) and sat there for 12mins. What gives people the right to do the wrong thing. There is always accidents at railway crossing from people who can not wait until they get in to heaven. It is there for a reason, they cause an accident and then the line get closed down and traffic has to go somewhere else. Sorry I do not feel sorry for them that causes this. Heather

[goingbush]

boa, the internet does not work like that. (well I can't get it to)

here is how much I made from youtube in the last 28 days

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/03/435.jpg


the only people to make money from youtube have a million or more hits,
now if a train had hit the bus I might have earned some fuel money.

can't wait three seconds for the skip ad to count down ?? no wonder you sympathise with the ****wits that run the crossing !!

[Eevo]

Im a closet anarchist too but thats flawed logic, would you go through a red light if there were no cars coming ??

if the red light was red for 5min, yes

[d2dave]

if the red light was red for 5min, yes

Me too. If the light is stuck and I can safely go through it I will. I am not going to sit there all day.

[Redback]

I agree with Heather, it's a red light with gates, so what if you have to wait, no excuse for going around rail gates.

Personally I'd be taking that vid of the school bus to the school, any bus driver carrying passengers and doing stupid things like that, should not be driving school buses:twisted: or any bus for that matter.

Baz.

[p38arover]

Looking at the site with Google Streetview, it looks like there's good visibility in both directions on the track.

[POD]

Looking at the site with Google Streetview, it looks like there's good visibility in both directions on the track.

Only once you're on the tracks, or at least inside the boom gates. The platforms and associated buildings block the view on one side, and there is vegetation that blocks the eastward view if approaching from the north. There's a good view east down the tracks on approach from the south.
I've sat at that crossing many a time on the way to a case, the gates come down when an eastbound train approaches the station and stay down until it has gone. You can see the train stopped at the station, the wait can be frustrating but there's no way of knowing if an express is going to come through on the other track, as they frequently do. It's a busy line.

[p38arover]

Thanks, Pod, for clarifying that.

At the Parramatta Rd crossing there are spare booms because they are hit so often.

We also had rope for tying up the booms in vertical position if there was a fault. In that situation, the crossing was then provided with flagmen to help control road traffic when a train was to cross.

[PhilipA]

Probably off topic but I remember when I was young the trains would cross the Woolloongabba Fiveways preceded by a man ringing a bell and waving a red flag.
Now that dates me.
The law was originally introduced at the time of the first trains in the 1840s-50s but not rescinded in Queensland until after 1960 at least.

Regards Philip A

[spudboy]

Im a closet anarchist too but thats flawed logic, would you go through a red light if there were no cars coming ??

Not if they were cycling normally, but if they were stuck on red for 5 minutes.... probably.

[PhilipA]

Sometimes late at night if I suspect that the loop isn't working, I have been known to press the walk button on the other road.

Doesn't happen very often these days.

Regards Philip A

[d2dave]

Probably off topic but I remember when I was young the trains would cross the Woolloongabba Fiveways preceded by a man ringing a bell and waving a red flag.
Now that dates me.
The law was originally introduced at the time of the first trains in the 1840s-50s but not rescinded in Queensland until after 1960 at least.

Regards Philip A

So are you saying that in 1959 they still had a man ringing a bell and waving a red flag?

[PhilipA]

They sure did
Regards Philip A

[V8Ian]

So are you saying that in 1959 they still had a man ringing a bell and waving a red flag?And into the '70s at Newstead, that's 1970s. :D

[AndyG]

That's pretty up to date for Qld, :D they still had milk in milk bottles and milkos into the 90's

[Graeme]

Sometimes late at night if I suspect that the loop isn't working, I have been known to press the walk button on the other road.I've driven back and forth across a loop on a turn lane late at night a few times to get lights to change, usually when I've just missed-out on following another vehicle through.

[p38arover]

Sometimes late at night if I suspect that the loop isn't working, I have been known to press the walk button on the other road.

I've been known to hop off my bike and go and press the walk button, too.

[Redback]

That's pretty up to date for Qld, :D they still had milk in milk bottles and milkos into the 90's

QLD didn't realised there were other states until 1987 after Joe left;)

[boa]

Why, if you are at a controlled intersection when the control part is not working would you not make a decision. This is not working ignore it. To me most controlled intersections should be flashing yellow at low traffic movement. Again we make decisions at more uncontrolled intersections than ones with lights. I don't understand why you get off a bike to change the lights. Is it I don't want to break the law. I truly don't understand this

[boa]

When my family moved to werribee in 1962 there was a gate keeper he would physically close the gates for the train to pass. There was a shack beside the line. Not sure if it was only one person or a number. But they all ways gave a wave.

[Redback]

Why, if you are at a controlled intersection when the control part is not working would you not make a decision. This is not working ignore it. To me most controlled intersections should be flashing yellow at low traffic movement. Again we make decisions at more uncontrolled intersections than ones with lights. I don't understand why you get off a bike to change the lights. Is it I don't want to break the law. I truly don't understand this

More the $300 fine and 4 points I would say;)

I've been there, you look around, it's late at night, you say, buggar it, and off you go, then you here that bloody siren, aahh crap, there goes those new leathers you were thinking of buying:(

Baz.

[boa]

Fair call if lights are working normal. But if not challenge. I understand the cost but, if people lay down and do nothing we are stuffed. It cost me around $500 to keep my license back in the late 70s. The thing was I respected the system and the police. But I was proven not guilty on 3 times on logic in the courts. A lot of money back then. I still have the correspondence from that time. I was on P plates at the time. Logic will win but it costs. But today we have to deal with the attention grabbing people who think they are judge and jury. No you might provide evidence but that is all it is. All evidence is just an opinion until it is proved in court.

[goingbush]

I hate textspeak, but ... OMG !!