Second prize for Russell Crowe

[AndyG]

Russell Crowe forced to be Kiwi after Aussie citizenship denied - Entertainment News | TVNZ (http://tvnz.co.nz/entertainment-news/russell-crowe-forced-kiwi-after-aussie-citizenship-denied-6268436)

What do you think, a bit tough, or the same rules for everyone.

You could imagine the outcry, Minister X intervenes for celebrity.

I'm not a Rugby fan, (either flavor) but what he did for the Rabbitoh's was magnificent.

[jimr1]

I do think that It's being tough , same rules for everyone . He lived here since he was a boy . Went to school , Married an Ozie . I would think there are a lot of people in the world think of him as being an Ozie . I do know we have to have rules , and laws . When we look at those that make them , many don't inspire to much confidence . Not all laws or rules are good , this looks like Russell Crowe is such a victim of these rules . It must be hard on people like him seeing migrants coming for all over the world , and only have to live here for 4 years to be able to get Citizen ship !!.. Jim

[Redback]

That is absolutely ridiculous, what if for instance the reason for not being here for the period of 2000 to 2002, you had to attend a funeral and sort out the estate of a relative and you were gone for a couple of months.

Even for the reason of work, which I imagine is his reason, is just plain stupid, so if you work your arse off for the country you love and praise about all over the world and live in for 98% of your life, supports the Government to get elected then rejects you for citizenship, because you weren't here for the entire period of 2000 to 2002, I know what I would do, I'd pack up and buggar off to New Zealand or the US and Canada.

Is it the entire period or just part of it:confused:

Either way they are ****ing dickheads

Baz.

[85 county]

Kiwi Russell Crowe is angry he can't become an Australian citizen - Entertainment - NZ Herald News (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11422684&ref=NZH_FBpage)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Now if he were Chinese with money, he be naturalised quick smart.

The government probably watched the South Park episode! :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpokjMDGM60

[85 county]

citizenship is one thing, permanent residence is another, you must have permanent residence before you can apply for citizenship.

the news articals are incorrect since anyone with permanent residence visa can apply for citizenship, baring criminal convictions and knowing Doglass Batman is its a shoe in.

there years 2001-2002 were the transition years. this is when the Australian Government decided to re-neg on the Tasmanian agreement and

Require all Kiwis to have a visa--- prior to this kiwis coming to Australia or Aussies going to NZ did not need a visa. before that you did not even need a passport.

the solo parents benefit ( by what ever name) was no longer available to kiwis. for example a solo mother who is a kiwi, with two Australian born children to an Australian father is unable to get this benefit. or visa versa.

Australian's adherence to UN law, " rights of the child" where nationality/ citizenship of the child is not recognised and the turn " normal residence" is used. so if this solo mother and children have been living in Australia for a couple of years, can not get any assistance from the Australian government CAN NOT ACTUALLY GO BACK TO NZ!!! as this would breech Australian / international Law.

result some very poor and sad family environments. this reflects on crime statistics.

for for all the think headed arrogant Aussie that just say kiwi go home!!! if your frig-gen laws that do not allow us to GO HOME. so you trap us here. there is no out!!!!!

there is one emergency benefit you can receive from centerlink, that's an air-fair.

you can apply the above sanerio to any relationship even kiwi mother kiwi father if both parents do not agree the children can not leave Australia yet receve no assistance

[PhilipA]

My understanding is that Australia "reneged" because NZ was becoming a back door entry to Australia for third country residents who got NZ citizenship then moved on and NZ checks and requirements were not as selective as Australia's

The removal of Australian citizenship for children born in Australia to Non Australians was instituted AFAIR in the early 1980s, so anyone planning to have children later should be very well aware that the children would have the citizenship of their country of citizenship and be registered with their embassy /high commission at birth.

When I worked in embassies I was involved with a few who planned a visit to Australia to have a child hoping for it to get citizenship, or at the very least have the child free under Medicare by pretending to be an Australian relative.



you can apply the above sanerio (sic) to any relationship even kiwi mother kiwi father if both parents do not agree the children can not leave Australia yet receve no assistance
I don't understand this one. Are the children not registered with the NZ High Commission at birth? In any case most developed countries will not allow a parent to "kidnap" children without agreement of the spouse.

Regards Philip A
BTW, I agree that Rusty should be given citizenship, and I reckon he will be.
Depends if he can get the NZs to toss the World Cup.

[digger]

Fair enough, be strict make him explain why he wasnt here..

But look at our history with this stuff..

Obvious one comes to mind...
Man Harman MORIS (lindt cafe killer) was granted asylum in 2001 on what was declared as proven to be false information, before he was made a citizen in 2004 it had already come to light that he had stolen over $200,000 from customers of his travel agency in Iran, he then came to AUSTRALIA via Malaysia and his "violent criminal and sexual offender history became known"... Yet in 2004 he was granted citizenship?? He preached violence and anti australia retoric, not just against religion but against people..

They later said once granted citizenship it cant be revoked, time to fix that, if you lie on your application or make ommissions that would affect the outcome then it should be instantly revoked and you should be deported, no ifs no buts....

time we got some 'stones" about this!

[bob10]

Where does he pay his Tax, Bob

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Where does he pay his Tax, BobIrrelevant, 457 temporary work visas also pay Aussie tax,

[bob10]

Irrelevant, 457 temporary work visas also pay Aussie tax,


Are you sure about that? Perhaps you should do a bit more research. Bob

[Eevo]

also gross company tax paid is less for 457 visas, compared to local work

[AndyG]

Are you sure about that? Perhaps you should do a bit more research. Bob

The subclass 457 visa: a quick guide – Parliament of Australia (http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/rp1314/QG/Subclass457Visa)

More research done, tax and super paid.

Why am I feeding the troll:mad:

[Redback]

He's lived here his intire life basically, just like Tom Burlingson, John Farnham, Olivia Newton John, now ONJ has lived most of her life overseas, she's only lived in Australia for around 15yrs if that, and not all in one go, so just because Crowe is a KIWI, he can't become a citizen, I find that stupid.

Baz.

[PhilipA]

There is a solution to all this.
NZ should become a state of Australia, as is provided for in the Australian constitution.
Then all those underprivileged NZs could have access to OZ welfare.

It's always been NZ who has resisted , and they prefer to be poor but happy in their little pond with about 10% of the population in OZ supporting the rest.
Regards Philip A

[Eevo]

There is a solution to all this.
NZ should become a state of Australia, as is provided for in the Australian constitution.
Then all those underprivileged NZs could have access to OZ welfare.


here here.

the republic of Antipodes/Downunder/Oceania

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Actually New Zealand were participants at colonial conferences from the 1860s and Kiwi delegates were present at the first "Australasian Federation Conference" in February 1890 with the intention of joining in a federation of the colonies, however prior to Australian federation they subsequently decided not to join with the Australian colonies and went it alone, seeing themselves as superior to the Australians and trade rivals to Australia. Most Kiwi's (Maori and pakeha) saw no benefit in joining in with the Australasian Federation.

In a hundred and fourteen years, little has changed.

[Eevo]

In a hundred and fourteen years, little has changed.

we need to invade and annex then!

[PhilipA]

In a hundred and fourteen years, little has changed.
Except it is estimated that at any time about 10% of the population resides in Australia.
Is there any other country that this is true for? Hmm maybe Mexico and the USA.
Whoops I was wrong it is 15%
Wikipaedia


In 2013, there are about 650,000 New Zealand citizens living in Australia,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealander_Australian#cite_note-2) which is about 15 per cent of the population of New Zealand.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealander_Australian#cite_note-3)
Regards Philip A
So what sort of an economy and social system is responsible for 15% of its citizens choosing to live somewhere else.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Irrelevant, 457 temporary work visas also pay Aussie tax,

Are you sure about that? Perhaps you should do a bit more research. Bob

Me thinks it is someone else who needs to do more research:

Foreign residents

If you are a foreign resident working in Australia:

you only declare the income you earned in Australia on your tax return - this includes employment income and any Australian rental income
you are not entitled to the tax-free threshold, which means you pay tax on every dollar of income you earn in Australia
you do not pay the Medicare levy (and aren't entitled to Medicare health benefits).[/I]from: Australian Tax Office (https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/International-tax-for-individuals/Coming-to-Australia/Paying-tax-and-lodging-a-tax-return/What-income-you-pay-tax-on/?anchor=P451_29406#P451_29406)

[AndyG]

Except it is estimated that at any time about 10% of the population resides in Australia.
Is there any other country that this is true for? Hmm maybe Mexico and the USA.
Whoops I was wrong it is 15%
Wikipaedia
Regards Philip A
So what sort of an economy and social system is responsible for 15% of its citizens choosing to live somewhere else.

Greece
Syria
North Korea ( Well they would if they could)
New Zealand
:p :wasntme:

[bob10]

Me thinks it is someone else who needs to do more research:
from: Australian Tax Office (https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/International-tax-for-individuals/Coming-to-Australia/Paying-tax-and-lodging-a-tax-return/What-income-you-pay-tax-on/?anchor=P451_29406#P451_29406)


Yep, and of course he declares all he should, Bob

[85 county]

My understanding is that Australia "reneged" because NZ was becoming a back door entry to Australia for third country residents who got NZ citizenship then moved on and NZ checks and requirements were not as selective as Australia's.

there were two reasons given at the time. both were untrue factually. The first as you have written was quite untrue. Both NZ and Australia have a points system for skilled visa. at the time the equivalent skill levels that needed to be demonstrated for Australia 110 points ( NOW 100) and the NZ equivalent was 115, with the additional difficulty of not being able to get points for " community language" IE potential visa applications get more points if they speech selective languages IE Italian Greek Russian ( from memory) but the list is much longer. in addition Australia is seeking skills IE has a longer list of suitable skills than NZ. ie Australia needs more Hairdressers for example ( i kid you not, check it for yourself) where NZ this is not an option. IE NZ skill level is much higher.
in addition to that. after getting permanent residency which takes 3 years of being in country and working no crime etc. And an additional 2 years before becoming an NZ citizen. so that's 5 years in total before one could legally mover to Australia. the Australian system in total is 2-3 years.
Summary the reality is that it is easier to get a visa for Australia than it is for NZ. NZ is not and never was a back door to Australia. Statement to the country are just urban myth taken up by pollies and stupid aussies.
The second banner that the pollies waved was the dole bludging kiwi. I am not going to argue the case if it was in the late 60s and 70s. But by the 2000s the dole was no longer an issue now was any real percentage of Kiwis on the dole. Besides the kiwi cannot get the dole or a pension in australia.
The real story laid in the fact that so many aussie parent's after separation were seeing NZ as a place to go to avoid paying child support, moneys the Australian government wanted to recover. The kiwi government side was a concern of the brain drain. Even today for every mining job advertise in Australia there are two australin mining jobs advertised in NZ. Along with truck drivers etc etc.
So in short the Australian public was sold a pup, one which the redneck Australian public was all to ready to lap up to feed their existing prejudices.



The removal of Australian citizenship for children born in Australia to Non Australians was instituted AFAIR in the early 1980s, so anyone planning to have children later should be very well aware that the children would have the citizenship of their country of citizenship and be registered with their embassy /high commission at birth. .
Partially true.in the case of an Australian having a child overseas this is the case. NZ for example the citizenship is from the mother's lineage, so if the mother is not a kiwi there is quite a process to go though and even in the case of kiwi citizenship being granted it is still only a partial citizenship or an incomplete citizenship. That's a chapter in its self.


When I worked in embassies I was involved with a few who planned a visit to Australia to have a child hoping for it to get citizenship, or at the very least have the child free under Medicare by pretending to be an Australian relative.

I don't understand this one. Are the children not registered with the NZ High Commission at birth? In any case most developed countries will not allow a parent to "kidnap" children without agreement of the spouse. .
UN law that both Australia and NZ and many other country's ( not Singapore, china or the USA for example) states ? from the child's country of habitual residence? this negates country of citizenship.

Regards Philip A
BTW, I agree that Rusty should be given citizenship, and I reckon he will be.
Depends if he can get the NZs to toss the World Cup.[/QUOTE]

[85 county]

Irrelevant, 457 temporary work visas also pay Aussie tax,

Irrelevant, he would be a 444 as a kiwi special class visa, NOT a 457

[85 county]

There is a solution to all this.
NZ should become a state of Australia, as is provided for in the Australian constitution.
Then all those underprivileged NZs could have access to OZ welfare.

It's always been NZ who has resisted , and they prefer to be poor but happy in their little pond with about 10% of the population in OZ supporting the rest.
Regards Philip A



Actually New Zealand were participants at colonial conferences from the 1860s and Kiwi delegates were present at the first "Australasian Federation Conference" in February 1890 with the intention of joining in a federation of the colonies, however prior to Australian federation they subsequently decided not to join with the Australian colonies and went it alone, seeing themselves as superior to the Australians and trade rivals to Australia. Most Kiwi's (Maori and pakeha) saw no benefit in joining in with the Australasian Federation.

In a hundred and fourteen years, little has changed.

NZ did not join the federated states at the time, Mainly because of the race laws Australia had imposed on the Aboriginals. no equivalent law existed in NZ and by comparison NZ was a much more integrated society than Australia. and remember it was not that long after the USA civil war which was based over race.
the current reason or federation today would require the giving up of one seat in the UN for example as well as the pacific forum etc etc. in effect Australia would lose a voice and would NZ. that's to no ones advantage.
secondly the legal world and business world are planets apart as are the nature of economies. NZ very simplified tax laws for example compared to the disaster of Australia. Medicare. NZ tried it and scraped it. Australia disproportionate percentage of public servants for example would then become a burden on NZ. just look at the debates between the states over GST etc NZ has no wish to get involved in that.

as a note. atm the NZ economy is out striping the Australian at a great rate.

[85 county]

we need to invade and annex then!

cant beat the kiwis in sport how the hell do you think you could beat them in a fight?. and if you haven't noticed the kiwis are actually invading you!!!! its a joint venture with the Chinese, we are just going to breed you out while your bum is in the air and your head is in the sand, like normal

[85 county]

Except it is estimated that at any time about 10% of the population resides in Australia.
Is there any other country that this is true for? Hmm maybe Mexico and the USA.
Whoops I was wrong it is 15%
Wikipaedia
Regards Philip A
So what sort of an economy and social system is responsible for 15% of its citizens choosing to live somewhere else.

Good Question, so exsplane why 1000 000 Australians do not live in Australia. maybe its the Australian economy or and social system??

regardless check your facts and answer the question

NB its actually more but i could only located the credible 2002 numbers in-case i am called to task. which will probably be apart of your howl of protest.

some posts

number was in 2005 when 5,382 Australian citizens to arrive to live in NZ permanently

and from wiki
"People born in New Zealand continue to be the second largest source of immigration to Australia, representing 11% of total permanent additions in 2005?06 and accounting for 2.3% of Australia's population at June 2006.[12] Australians make up a similar proportion of New Zealand's population.[7] New Zealand citizens have a high labour-force participation rate (78.2 per cent at July 2012) compared with those born in Australia (68.0 per cent).[13] New Zealanders living in Australia also have a higher median weekly income ($760) than Australians born in Australia ($597) and immigrants in general ($538), which be partially due to working long hours (51.8 hours per week) than Australian born (45.6 hours) or immigrants in general (44.7 hours)."

sort of shows that Kiwis are a bit less lazy than aussies really!!!!

[85 county]

Yep, and of course he declares all he should, Bob

ill bet a 100 bucks to a pound of your farts that he pays more than you.

i will equal the bet to say he gets less centerlink, medicare, friggen bus pass than you!!!


you can pay the delivery costs. send it to PO Box 6022 capital city

[bob10]

ill bet a 100 bucks to a pound of your farts that he pays more than you.

i will equal the bet to say he gets less centerlink, medicare, friggen bus pass than you!!!


you can pay the delivery costs. send it to PO Box 6022 capital city


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Interesting reply, but not surprising. Now, I have no centre-link payment of any kind. Medicare? you even know how that works? Bus pass ? I pay for my Go card. Don't be surprised if the current Government investigation into money secreted into Switzerland banks, gives up some famous " Australian " names. Just a heads up. Bob

[V8Ian]

Good Question, so exsplane why 1000 000 Australians do not live in Australia. maybe its the Australian economy or and social system??

regardless check your facts and answer the question

NB its actually more but i could only located the credible 2002 numbers in-case i am called to task. which will probably be apart of your howl of protest.

some posts

number was in 2005 when 5,382 Australian citizens to arrive to live in NZ permanently

and from wiki
"People born in New Zealand continue to be the second largest source of immigration to Australia, representing 11% of total permanent additions in 2005?06 and accounting for 2.3% of Australia's population at June 2006.[12] Australians make up a similar proportion of New Zealand's population.[7] New Zealand citizens have a high labour-force participation rate (78.2 per cent at July 2012) compared with those born in Australia (68.0 per cent).[13] New Zealanders living in Australia also have a higher median weekly income ($760) than Australians born in Australia ($597) and immigrants in general ($538), which be partially due to working long hours (51.8 hours per week) than Australian born (45.6 hours) or immigrants in general (44.7 hours)."

sort of shows that Kiwis are a bit less lazy than aussies really!!!!
Doubling the mean IQ of both countries. :p:D

[V8Ian]

ill bet a 100 bucks to a pound of your farts that he pays more than you.

i will equal the bet to say he gets less centerlink, medicare, friggen bus pass than you!!!
And what has RC contributed, apart from compulsory tax, to this country?
I know Bob's more than done his bit.

[AndyG]

Let's resolve this perennial brotherly rivalry in the traditional manner.

On the cricket field :D

P.S I think Abbot should do a captains pick and flick Russ a blue passport. :cool:

Pity how these chats end up as personal attacks

[Redback]

This is a friendly warning, stop now, if you can't be civil I will close the thread.

Baz.

[Pickles2]

Don't like Russel Crowe as a person, I think He's an arrogant bastard.
But I do admire his immense acting talent, & cannot for the life of me understand why He cannot be an Aussie citizen.
Pickles.

[Mick_Marsh]

Don't like Russel Crowe as a person, I think He's an arrogant bastard.
But I do admire his immense acting talent, & cannot for the life of me understand why He cannot be an Aussie citizen.
Pickles.
It might have something to do with he has never applied (according to the Department of Immigration).
Russell Crowe never applied for Australian citizenship, says Immigration Department (http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/russell-crowe-never-applied-for-australian-citizenship-says-immigration-department-20150325-1m7q55.html)

[Redback]

It might have something to do with he has never applied (according to the Department of Immigration).
Russell Crowe never applied for Australian citizenship, says Immigration Department (http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/russell-crowe-never-applied-for-australian-citizenship-says-immigration-department-20150325-1m7q55.html)

Hahahahaha, that's so funny, what a clown he is.

[85 county]

And what has RC contributed, apart from compulsory tax, to this country?
I know Bob's more than done his bit.

at a guess i would say that this NON Australian has contributed more to Australia than you bob and me combined.

then there is the forren investment in movie making for movies made in aussie. so quite a few other people can thank him for there jobs as well

[Redback]

at a guess i would say that this NON Australian has contributed more to Australia than you bob and me combined.

then there is the forren investment in movie making for movies made in aussie. so quite a few other people can thank him for there jobs as well
Sorry but he has done nothing compared to Bob, when you serve your country, that trumps everything period.

[Eevo]

Sorry but he has done nothing compared to Bob, when you serve your country, that trumps everything period.

sorry, i dont agree.

the people who have been awarded the order of australia (for example) are their contributions not worthy because they didnt serve?

serving isnt the only way one can contribute to our country.

[DiscoMick]

It might have something to do with he has never applied (according to the Department of Immigration).
Russell Crowe never applied for Australian citizenship, says Immigration Department (http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/celebrity/russell-crowe-never-applied-for-australian-citizenship-says-immigration-department-20150325-1m7q55.html)

I wonder if he had a migration agent assess his chances of being accepted and advise that he didn't appear to meet the rules because he had spent so much time overseas making movies, so he never actually formally submitted the paperwork.
There are several criteria. I wonder if he already has a residency visa or is just here as a Kiwi.
Once you have a residency visa you have to wait four years before you can apply for citizenship. I've helped a number of people to apply. I'd be surprised, from what I know of him, if he couldn't muster enough positives to be approved.

[V8Ian]

at a guess i would say that this NON Australian has contributed more to Australia than you bob and me combined.

then there is the forren investment in movie making for movies made in aussie. so quite a few other people can thank him for there jobs as well
Playing dress ups and throwing phones is hardly earth shattering contributions.:confused:

[85 county]

Playing dress ups and throwing phones is hardly earth shattering contributions.:confused:

says the guy who dresses his disco in pink.

[85 county]

I wonder if he had a migration agent assess his chances of being accepted and advise that he didn't appear to meet the rules because he had spent so much time overseas making movies, so he never actually formally submitted the paperwork.
There are several criteria. I wonder if he already has a residency visa or is just here as a Kiwi.
Once you have a residency visa you have to wait four years before you can apply for citizenship. I've helped a number of people to apply. I'd be surprised, from what I know of him, if he couldn't muster enough positives to be approved.

with the talk of days out of Australia i would say that it is actually residency and not citizenship he was applying for. doubt his days out of australia on the dates writen would have any efect on citizenship if he already had residence.

age over 45 = zero points
occupation, actor = zero points
language English Australian / kiwi = zero points

just that there would mean he will not make 100 points let alone 110

now if he spoke mandarin and was a hair dresser he would make 105 points

[V8Ian]

at a guess i would say that this NON Australian has contributed more to Australia than you bob and me combined.
Speak for yourself, both Bob and I have been awarded twenty year service medals.

[V8Ian]

says the guy who dresses his disco in pink.

Care to elaborate?

[85 county]

Speak for yourself, both Bob and I have been awarded twenty year service medals.

congratulations, like to explain tasking s? any recondition for performance or Valour?

[jimr1]

Not sure if the rules have changed , you used to be able to come here as a business migrant , but you had to have about $ million . Many of our Asian migrants used this method , I would have thought he was worth more than that . So he could have used that avenue . Jim..

[85 county]

Not sure if the rules have changed , you used to be able to come here as a business migrant , but you had to have about $ million . Many of our Asian migrants used this method , I would have thought he was worth more than that . So he could have used that avenue . Jim..

you would think so. but some visas can not be changed to another visa ie if you are from some country's you get a tourist visa but it maybe stamped that you can not say apply for a student visa while you are here. yet if you come from another country on a tourist visa you can apply for say a student visa or even residency etc.

i am working on the assumption the RC is on special class 444 which is the Kiwi walk in the door automatic visa, so automatic you do not even know you have it until you become a solo father with a child with a medical condition. then you realise that you have very imitated access to centerlink and Medicare even though you have been paying tax.

i also suspect that since the last round of changes. RC has been caught out like so many kiwis, probably there has been maybe a medical issue with one of his kids. or more likely international travel with his kids on a Aussie passport and he on a kiwi passport will or can make things exceedingly difficult. ( personal experiences with this one)

business immigration. sure he could start up a business, a Chinese takeaway for example, work 7 days a week for 3 years and maybe get a visa then. but no. since his wife and kids are already Australians they do not count on his application. so having an Australian family actually works against you in this case.

[bob10]

congratulations, like to explain tasking s? any recondition for performance or Valour?


You are totally out of line. Immature, and, I suggest, perhaps not extremely brave. Hiding behind the internet to deliver your slurs shows me that. I suggest you put up your experience, but more importantly, show proof of the same, irrevocable proof, not one of your normal fantasies. Either that, or leave your diatribe for the Disney Channel .Ian, give this bloke a miss, He's not worth the effort. Bob

[Eevo]

Hiding behind the internet to deliver your slurs shows me that.

Immature, and, I suggest, perhaps not extremely brave. 85 county would tell it to your face. i have no doubt of that.

[bob10]

Immature, and, I suggest, perhaps not extremely brave. 85 county would tell it to your face. i have no doubt of that.
And Eevo, you have met him? Or just read his posts? Bob

[Eevo]

And Eevo, you have met him?
yes.

he was the first forum member i meet.

[bob10]

yes.

he was the first forum member i meet.


Well, then if you know him, as a friend, tell him to pull his head in. He doesn't impress me. Bob

[Eevo]

. He doesn't impress me. Bob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqFLXayD6e8

[boa]

I have a 15 year certificate from the government thanking me for my service does that account for anything. And I'm not an Australian. British, why do I need to swear aligance to a queen that has control of this country. I do that in being British.

[Redback]

I have a 15 year certificate from the government thanking me for my service does that account for anything. And I'm not an Australian. British, why do I need to swear aligance to a queen that has control of this country. I do that in being British.

It wasn't directed at everyone, it was anything he(RC) has done, just forgot to put that bit in, just clearing that bit up.

You now have a choice to swear too.


Another thing, know that has served needs to prove anything, their service is enough as far as I'm concerned.

If you love and want to stay here, then you should become a citizen IMO, clearly RC hasn't, he obviously likes to brag about being Australian, but doesn't want to be, but likes to whing and Lie that he tried but was rejected, so on one hand he loves the place but on the other doesn't.

If you don't want to be Australia, that's fine, but don't whing about how the place runs, or how we do things, only Australians can do that abour OUR country and OUR mates.

And on that note, this thread has run it's coarse, shame really that people can't be civil and respectful.

Baz.