Les Richmond Wheel Carrier RRC ARB Bar

[Lockee]

So Les Richmond Wheel Carrier on RRC ARB Rear Bar, who has beefed one up?
Thanks

Wheel Carrier suit ARB (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/contents/en-us/d618.html#p37889)

[Mercguy]

$550 is a bit steep...

[Homestar]

What do you plan to carry on it? Says its strong enough for a 36" tyre, but I'm sure it could be strengthened. I built one from bits and pieces and grafted it into the rear step bar on mine - it was a lot of work. $550 seems ok to me once you realise how much work goes into designing and building them.

[PSI250]

I have seen them cut and modded to suit body lift.
I think I remember someone on here modding one. Possibly Cloughy.

[Lockee]

New truck has one but seems pretty flimsy

[350RRC]

Hi Jason,

I have a Kaymar one mounted on an ARB rear bar (which you've briefly seen).

Has sagged with a 35 hanging off it, but the prob is an easy fix with the bar, not the carrier, and that info came from an ARB engineer.

Quite happy to sell it.

DL

[Mercguy]

Hi Jason,

I have a Kaymar one mounted on an ARB rear bar (which you've briefly seen).

Has sagged with a 35 hanging off it, but the prob is an easy fix with the bar, not the carrier, and that info came from an ARB engineer.

Quite happy to sell it.

DL

Please share! Is it a lack of reinforcement between the corner piece and the flat rear section? or something else?
Not a fan of the checkerplate mounting. I understand it's alloy, but since the rest is steel, what would have been wrong with using steel checkerplate on the bar? not enough in it to make a huge difference in weight...

I'd like a twin rear setup like Kaymar does fo the P-troll's and landbruisers though...

[Rick1970]

Hi Jason,


Has sagged with a 35 hanging off it, but the prob is an easy fix with the bar, not the carrier, and that info came from an ARB engineer.


DL


When I done my carrier, I thought the corner of the ARB bar was a tad weak. My setup has a boss welded through the bar, and a strengthening brace welded to the underside, sort of boxing it in. I used glacier bushes instead of bearings too. Seems to work ok and hasn't moved.......its only on 31" tyres tho.

[Lockee]

Will get photos on weekend.

Think will be doing a more substantial carrier that bolts in same place. Concept is good. Latch average

[nat p]

I had one with a 35 on it, it bent, and would come undone.

I sold it, now mines in the car. which is annoying but it happens.

Cheers nat

[Mercguy]

As absurd as this may sound, I'll ask 'why' is it necessary to have a wheel carrier that 'swings away' ?

-if-
you could fabricate a simple reinforced twin rhs tube mount that pivots from the face of the rear ARB bar, and locks with a drop pin behind. (you can even use gas struts on the pivot to ease lowering etc.

The reason I ask, is because it seems a little weird to have a horizontal swinging arm when the tailgate swings in the vertical plane...
If the wheel was to swing in the vertical plane, it could also swing well out of the way when the tailgate is lowered, or it could be used as a step to access items stored on a roof rack. The only issue is that is would need to be suitably reinforced at the pin point to prevent sagging, as well as at the wheel mount.

Not impossible though.

I'm thinking it might be the only way I can get 2 wheels mounted on the rear bar anyway.

just a thought. by no means suggesting it is a solution to your issue.

[Vern]

So something to trip over? What if you have a trailer on? Sounds like a pain in the a:)

[Mercguy]

So something to trip over? What if you have a trailer on? Sounds like a pain in the a:)

Why?
It wouldn't have any impact on towing or tripping over any more than a normal rear carrier would.

[Vern]

Isn't it going to lower to the ground?

[Rick1970]

As absurd as this may sound, I'll ask 'why' is it necessary to have a wheel carrier that 'swings away' ?

-if-
you could fabricate a simple reinforced twin rhs tube mount that pivots from the face of the rear ARB bar, and locks with a drop pin behind. (you can even use gas struts on the pivot to ease lowering etc.

The reason I ask, is because it seems a little weird to have a horizontal swinging arm when the tailgate swings in the vertical plane...
If the wheel was to swing in the vertical plane, it could also swing well out of the way when the tailgate is lowered, or it could be used as a step to access items stored on a roof rack. The only issue is that is would need to be suitably reinforced at the pin point to prevent sagging, as well as at the wheel mount.

Not impossible though.

I'm thinking it might be the only way I can get 2 wheels mounted on the rear bar anyway.

just a thought. by no means suggesting it is a solution to your issue.


Maybe.


Without going out in the rain and actually measuring where a swing down carrier would end up when lowered, I'm guessing it would be more of a hindrance to rear access than a swing out carrier would and the constant raising and lowering to gain access to the rear would wear thin real quick I think.


A twin swing out carrier (one each side) should fit without any problem, just position each wheel a tad further out than you otherwise mite do.

[Lockee]

Will have a stronger one done soon that bolts to bar in same way to allow an update

[Vern]

Jason, the last bar I did, I got a piece of steel pipe with say a 8mm or so wall thickness(40mm od or so), then a solid piece to slide inside it, cut a hole in the end bit of the rear bar (arb) where a wheel carrier would normally swing from, welded the pipe into this and braced it underneath, then welded my swing out wheel carrier to the solid piece.:)

[86mud]

I miss my Rangie....I love my 130, but the Rangie just had that nice stance and the deep note of the V8.

I had the LRA rear tyre carrier. It did wobble a bit initially, but then I took to the bar with the grinder, lifted it two inches to suit the body lift, welded in rear quarter panel sliders which were reinforced back to the chassis.

Lots of hours went into this rear bar, but well worth the effort.

Also then modified the hinge point of the carrier to suit.

See my post at end of this thread and additional photos.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/classic-range-rover/79907-rrc-rear-bar-wheelcarrier-wanted.html

[Mercguy]

I miss my Rangie....I love my 130, but the Rangie just had that nice stance and the deep note of the V8.

I had the LRA rear tyre carrier. It did wobble a bit initially, but then I took to the bar with the grinder, lifted it two inches to suit the body lift, welded in rear quarter panel sliders which were reinforced back to the chassis.

Lots of hours went into this rear bar, but well worth the effort.

Also then modified the hinge point of the carrier to suit.

See my post at end of this thread and additional photos.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/classic-range-rover/79907-rrc-rear-bar-wheelcarrier-wanted.html

BINGO!
This is exactly where I am wanting to be. I'm in the middle of accumulating bits & pieces for the suspension project. desired outcome is to run 33-34" tyres. I will have a set of a/t's and something like centipedes or mickey claws or something for the heavy non-bitumenous work. My RRC already came with the ARB bars, Have recently obtained an LRA body lift, so this post timing is impeccable. Thanks! I'm Looking now to source appropriate pictures / drawings of front bar modifications, which will allow me to use a 'decent' winch (around 12-15k lbs).

Your pictures speak a thousand words though. I figured the only way to retain the tow capacity was to keep the centre portion and raise the rest, so you have already achieved what I envisaged having to do to my rear bar. Curious about the sides though - did you chop for articulation, or cosmetics? I'm guessing thats a 3x2 thickwall RHS welded onto the sides... Have you got a picture of the bracing of that piece? Is it to the chassis or back to the rear bar inner mount, or elsewhere? I'm just wondering how any impact load on that area behind the wheel is being distributed.

Sorry for all the questions and taking this OT - but "I needs ta know" ;)
TIA,

[86mud]

The front bar was the standard ARB bar which I modified to suit a warn 9000pd winch. Inside the bar was reinforced with 6mm plate to house the winch. Looking at the front of the bar, I cut the sections slopping upwards and then tapped the ends to suit 50mm RHS and continued this along the side a little in front of the front tyre.

The rear bar sides were reinforced back to the chassis via plates/bolts either side of the chassis.

Chopping the rear quarter panels, modify the front and rear bars was all to aid minimise panel damage. Also aides pedestrians as they now go straight underneath

I also made my own rock sliders.

My neighbours hated me - My grinder and I have a very close relationship.:D

I should never have looked at this post. makes me very sad for selling it now. It was an awesome truck.