Meta Data retention

[Bob Harding]

If you object to these laws the way to avoid most of your data being collected is to use a VPN

info here ---
www.crikey.com.au/2015/03/24/keen-to-evade-data-retention-heres-how-to-choose-a-vpn/ (http://www.crikey.com.au/2015/03/24/keen-to-evade-data-retention-heres-how-to-choose-a-vpn/)


And here ----
https://netflixaustralia.watch/usa-american-netflix-proxy-australia-watch-vpn-dns-proxy/

A interesting subject

[Homestar]

They don't bother me - I've got nothing to hide.

[ramblingboy42]

same here

[WhiteD3]

x3. Happy to give up some privacy to make it easy to catch these scumbags.

[richard4u2]

the PMG has been saving data since the 1920's ? how else would they know how much to charge you at the end of the month

[korg20000bc]

x3. Happy to give up some privacy to make it easy to catch these scumbags.
Until they start trawling through your data to find something to fine you over.
I'd prefer a possibly riskier but freer society.

[Mick_Marsh]

The thing is, they can do what they tell us they want to do with existing laws. I have no problem with people knowing I spend way too much time on AULRO. What I am against is making new law for the sake of making new law. I am also against the cost of this new law being borne by the consumer.
Also, be prepared for the unintended consequences.

[Homestar]

Until they start trawling through your data to find something to fine you over.
I'd prefer a possibly riskier but freer society.

Sounds like you have something to hide... Downloading 'Game of Thrones' are you? :D

[Bob Harding]

Dunno about having nothing to hide

Thats not relevant tis the principle involved

Taint anyone else is business where or what

I do and when and how I do it one small step

At a time seems the plan ---- paranoid not yet

But getting there quickly

[AndyG]

ISPs already have most of the info, for billing purposes. The difference is the length of retention,
I used to run an ISPS, two in fact, and in the case of a disputed account I wanted to give you a detailed reconciliation of your usage, often a red face & the bill paid.:p

Most common cause was video Skype, and I would ask, is your wife a Philippine, 9/10 that was the cause, btw this is In a PNG context.

[DiscoMick]

Its not whether we have something to hide thats important, its whether the information can be misused to persecute innocent people that's the worry. The answer is, yes it can. That's why other countries, including the USA and the UK, require a judge to approve surveillance, as a safeguard against the development of a police state. We should also require judicial approval, since I'd certainly trust a judge ahead of a bunch of spooks or politicians.

Sent from my GT-P5210 using AULRO mobile app

[bob10]

I think the bottom line is, do we trust those overseeing this, and do we trust our politicians ? Bob

[korg20000bc]

Sounds like you have something to hide... Downloading 'Game of Thrones' are you? :D
Amazon Women on the Moon, actually.

I don't find the "nothing to hide" argument very impressive.
Most people shut their curtains at night. Most people aren't doing anything they need to hide- its just not anyone else's business.

We'd be up in arms if the local council said that our curtains needed to be open to ensure that the house occupant were behaving safely and not a risk to the community's security.

[Eevo]

unfortunately, this is just another measure of a police state.
whether you're doing anything "wrong" or not is irrelevant.

[derby 1]

First post, interesting one to start on. Disco TD5 2004 with a few upgrades. Thanks to all the info here that have helped me with fixes over the past year. Looks like xyz switch next.

Personally I don't know anyone who has little or no regard for his or her personal privacy, the ?nothing to hide, nothing to fear? argument is not very compelling to me.

Storage of metadata seems more of a ?feel safe? scenario that stores personal info in a one stop hackers shop.

Metadata retention scheme: Telstra warns data storage plan will attract hackers - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-30/telstra-warns-metadata-scheme-will-attract-hackers/6056326)

To LNP & ALP, ?you show me yours and I'll show you mine?. I'd like to know who you call and when, that would make an interesting matrix when you relate it to daily political life in Canberra. I'm sure someone could come up with interesting scenarios as to what may or may not have been said, to who and why. Although nothing to do with facts & truth.

Like a lot of policies that get rushed through parliament into law in time of heighten anxiety, they may have good intentions just lack acumen & critical analysis.

[THE BOOGER]

Some of the isp keep this data for 9 years as part of their tax records so there should not be as much cost as they say but part of bussiness is to get cost down so if they can shift it they will. The data being held is not the conversation but who you talk to and when so none if this is new and much of it will still require a warrent to access it. Hackers could be a problem but they could be under the old laws so not much different. But none of these laws will stop terrorists just make it easier to convict them when they are caught.

[bob10]

When every E-mail and private communication between politician's of any persuasion is open to public scrutiny, I would feel comfortable with this. But not before. Bob

[DiscoMick]

When even former US President Jimmy Carter says he assumes his email and phones are being monitored, so he uses other means for private communications, I figure no-one has any privacy now days. Its just a weak government allowing another step towards a police state.

[incisor]

nothing electronic is private

no exceptions for the common man

and it's been that way for a long time

they are just legalising what was already happening covertly imho

[jimr1]

nothing electronic is private

no exceptions for the common man

and it's been that way for a long time

they are just legalising what was already happening covertly imho
I think there should be more public debate ,before many new laws are made . Many are just amendments to existing laws . They never get to parlimentry debate , or even to the public at large . We find there just introduced . In many ways that is wrong !!.. Jim

[DiscoMick]

nothing electronic is private

no exceptions for the common man

and it's been that way for a long time

they are just legalising what was already happening covertly imho



Yes, they've been invading our privacy for a long time because the law hadn't caught up with reality. They could have introduced laws to protect our privacy and roll back the invasions. Instead they're just legalized their existing bad behavior.
Privacy is dead. We're just bricks in the wall now.

[Mick_Marsh]

nothing electronic is private

no exceptions for the common man

and it's been that way for a long time

they are just legalising what was already happening covertly imho
You're very probably right. The thing that annoys me is they're probably going to start charging us for something they're already doing.

I was listening to some journalists discussing this. There is a way of getting around the data retention by using VPNs and overseas ISPs. So, in the end, they're spying on the people they're not interested in and the people of interest are hiding their internet trail off shore where these rules don't apply.

[Eevo]

using a VPN doesn't and shouldn't make you a criminal though.

[incisor]

There is a way of getting around the data retention by using VPNs and overseas ISPs.
you might find that falls under the overseas sites/services part of the regulations and access will be firewalled by ip.....

been some interesting little glimpses of whats going thru their heads and what influence the tpp is having on things come out in little tidbit essays of late..

overseas vpn service providers will be banned from allowing access from au, it is looking like to me

i think the whole thing is way too draconian and they will come up with some emergency where they swing all this crap in with out the promised discussions..

au is about to be screwed over big time imho..

hope i am wrong but some of the things i have read of late have sent shivers down my spine.


ps even singtel (optus) is looking at two tiered internet access with the likes of netflix not available on basic services...

[Mick_Marsh]

au is about to be screwed over big time imho..
You might be right.

At the moment, I enjoy listening to the beeb. Not a problem using my os. When I try to listen to Dad's Army or ISIRTA on an Apple device, it comes up geoblocked. The nice Apple salesman did say I could listen to it if I paid a subscription to an overseas VPN service. "Bugger that!" I said "I'll just not purchase your product." and walked out the door.
I hope I don't lose my favourite os entertainment services.

The journo's are not too happy about these laws. It means the government can get their confidential sources. They'll have to go back to the old manila envelope left on the cafe chair.