ANZACs at the battle of Romani

[bob10]

The Light Horse and the men from Auckland fought a terrible battle ,against the Turks at Romani, Bob


The Battle of Romani — Australian Light Horse Association (http://www.lighthorse.org.au/famous-battles/world-war-one/famous-battles-the-battle-of-romani)

[Eevo]

do you think you can create a thread for every battle the anzacs were involved in please.

[bob10]

We all know about the Light Horse in the battle of Beersheba. The story of the New Zealand soldiers is less well known, here. Bob


The taking of Tel el Saba, or the role the New Zealanders played in the taking of Beersheba. By Steve Butler — Australian Light Horse Association (http://www.lighthorse.org.au/resources/military-stories-ww1/the-taking-of-tel-el-saba-or-the-role-the-new-zealanders-played-in-the-taking-of-beersheba)

[bob10]

History of a proud Queensland Regiment, Bob


2/14th Light Horse Regiment (QMI) — Australian Light Horse Association (http://www.lighthorse.org.au/resources/units-in-service/2-14th-light-horse-regiment)

[mick88]

Moving ahead twenty odd years to WW2.
Very few people realise that there horses used in New Guinea during WW2.
A mates father was in a Pack Horse Company transporting supplies up over the range.
1 Pack Transport Company AASC.
The members were selected based on their experience with horses.


Cheers, Mick.

[Hogarthde]

Please Bob and Eevo, no 's' . A.N.Z.A.C.

regards dave

[bob10]

Please Bob and Eevo, no 's' . A.N.Z.A.C.

regards dave


Point taken, but as a collective, I think the English is correct. Who on here can correct us on this, I wonder..... :angel: Bob

[donh54]

Moving ahead twenty odd years to WW2.
Very few people realise that there horses used in New Guinea during WW2.
A mates father was in a Pack Horse Company transporting supplies up over the range.
1 Pack Transport Company AASC.
The members were selected based on their experience with horses.


Cheers, Mick.

Old bloke I worked for 20 odd years ago spoke about catching and breaking horses for the army during WW2. Weren't broken to ride, just as packhorses.

[bob10]

Please Bob and Eevo, no 's' . A.N.Z.A.C.

regards dave


Anzacs is acceptable, as per VETAFFAIRS magazine, from the DVA;


" Historically, ANZAC [ Australian and New Zealand Army Corps] was an acronym devised by Major General William Birdwood's staff in Cairo in 1915. It was used for registering correspondence for the new corps. After the landing at Gallipoli, General Birdwood requested that the position held by the Australians and New Zealanders on the peninsula be called " Anzac", to distinguish it from the British position at Helles. Not surprisingly, the word was soon applied to the men of the corps, who became "Anzacs". "


From VETAFFAIRS Vol.31 no.1 Autumn 2015 Cheers, Bob

[bob10]

The 2nd Light Horse at Quinns post, Bob


The 2nd Light Horse Regiment at Quinn's Post — Australian Light Horse Association (http://www.lighthorse.org.au/resources/military-stories-ww1/the-2nd-light-horse-regiment-at-quinns-post)

[mick88]

Anzacs is acceptable, as per VETAFFAIRS magazine, from the DVA;


" Historically, ANZAC [ Australian and New Zealand Army Corps] was an acronym devised by Major General William Birdwood's staff in Cairo in 1915. It was used for registering correspondence for the new corps. After the landing at Gallipoli, General Birdwood requested that the position held by the Australians and New Zealanders on the peninsula be called " Anzac", to distinguish it from the British position at Helles. Not surprisingly, the word was soon applied to the men of the corps, who became "Anzacs". "


From VETAFFAIRS Vol.31 no.1 Autumn 2015 Cheers, Bob



Further to that Bob the soldiers then cut out cloth A's and sewed them on their battalion colour patches. Eventually the A's were produced in brass.

Below is a picture of my grandfather Corporal L. Mayne No. 632 taken in about 1917-18. He served at Gallipoli with the 21st Battalion and then in March 1916 he transferred to the 2nd Pioneer Battalion, going on to serve in France/Belgium. You can see the "A" on his colour patch.

Cheers, Mick.

[bob10]

Yeah, Mick, I think the title ANZAC has been slightly hijacked since WW1. There was only one Australian & New Zealand Army Corp formed, and that was WW1. Now, I can see how emotion, & indeed propaganda , would place the label on those Diggers who fought in WW2. However, the title, 2nd AIF, should have been enough. In Korea, the brigade consisting of Great Britain, Australia, Canada And NZ soldiers was the Commonwealth Brigade. In Vietnam, the Australian battalions , with the NZ Company, & Artillery group, were described as , eg, 4RAR/NZ, then ANZAC troops. see here,



"6RAR returned to Vietnam on 19 May 1969, relieving 4RAR/NZ. On 21 May the battalion was joined by V4 Company, Royal New Zealand Infantry Regiment (RNZIR). Its name was formally changed to 6RAR/NZ (ANZAC) battalion on the same day."


So an assumption could be made that this was primarily for morale issues, and indeed was wrong. The same issue came about from soldiers involved in operations at Coral & Balmoral . Those non-Infantry Corp soldiers who fought alongside the Infantry in those contacts insisted they should be entitled to the Infantry combat badge. The Infantry, not surprisingly, insisted they should not. I know it was an emotional subject amongst my Army relatives, an Infantry / Engineer mix. I don't know what became of this difference of opinion officially, but I do know of the emotion involved. Bob

[Hogarthde]

Agree Bob , ANZAC., has been used erroneously. Next topic,

A committee has been formed to submit a citation to the Defence Honours and Awards Tribunal, justifying the issue of the Unit Gallantry Citation, for every unit in Coral / Balmoral 12 May - 6 June 1968.

Dave
.

[bob10]

Agree Bob , ANZAC., has been used erroneously. Next topic,

A committee has been formed to submit a citation to the Defence Honours and Awards Tribunal, justifying the issue of the Unit Gallantry Citation, for every unit in Coral / Balmoral 12 May - 6 June 1968.

Dave
.


Dave, that is good news. Now let me say this. I am looking at my Great Grandfathers service record, at the end there are 3 stamps. 1914/15 star, British War medal, Victory medal. Grand father has two stamps. British War Medal, Victory medal. When we came back from our time on the gun line, Vietnam, we were handed two medals, on the way home. They were the Vietnam medal , 1964, & the South Vietnam Campaign Medal., Plus the returned from active service badge, when we returned home. Since then, the government has sent me ;


Australian Active Service Medal, 1945-75, clasp Vietnam


Australian service medal, 1945-75 Clasp F.E.S R.



Defence force service medal 1982}
National medal 1975} Both medals for time in service

And another medal I was told I had to apply for Three years service. After I had served 21.


I feel like a fraud, when I march on Anzac day, when I look at my forebears experience, and that includes my Dad's service in the 2/14 Battalion, against the Japanese. But I know I earned the first two. Bob

[Hogarthde]

Seems to me Bob ,we are over endowed with tin and colour. Remember the soldiers of Uncle Sam on R and R, looked like ambulatory Christmas trees . I am attending a 1Field Sqn reunion at Palmerston N T , ANZAC day,will be some colour and colourful characters there even maybe some true stories. My last reunion was Welcome Home 1987.

Dave

[bob10]

Seems to me Bob ,we are over endowed with tin and colour. Remember the soldiers of Uncle Sam on R and R, looked like ambulatory Christmas trees . I am attending a 1Field Sqn reunion at Palmerston N T , ANZAC day,will be some colour and colourful characters there even maybe some true stories. My last reunion was Welcome Home 1987.

Dave


That'll be a good reunion, Dave. Yes, we seem to be travelling down the American road. I marched with my father one Anzac day in Brisbane. With the 2/14 th battalion soldiers. Dad got permission from Stan Bisset for me to march with him. I looked around, I had more medals on my chest, than most of these heroes, and they were genuine heroes. Any one who knows the story of the Kokoda Track will know what I'm talking about. I felt like a fart in church. But those men accepted me without reservation. They made me feel welcome, and not one had an attitude, or an ego problem.


I shook the hand of Stan Bisset, & we had a chat. That moment has gone down as one of the highlights of my life. The epitome of an Officer and a gentleman, Stan was looking after the welfare of his men, even at that stage in their lives. Bob

[3toes]

Interesting what you say about medals being dished out on a large scale which is not in keeping with prior experience. A cousin of mine in the Australian Navy was saying the other day that he had been issued with a medal for what he considered to be no more than turning up at work on tine for a couple of years. He did not think it had any real value and even went some way to devaluing other medals as when worn the public did not generally understand what it meant

[bob10]

A readers digest version of the 2nd /14th Battalion, WW2


https://www.awm.gov.au/unit/U56057/


and Mr. Stan Bissett


Stan Bisset MC OAM MID (http://www.kokodahistorical.com.au/index.php/diggers-stories/stan-bisset-mc-oam-mid)

[bob10]

A readers digest on Isurava. Bob


https://www.awm.gov.au/military-event/E342/