Other people make mistakes!

[Peteren]

Current SA gov ad's to put the guilt on people who obey the road rules when confronted with those that don't.
I have had multiple instances with situations where if I had not been in control of the situation the outcome would have been fatal for all.
Why do I have to be responsible for the few that have no idea on the road and drive the same way?
If you cannot drive in a safe manner then you have no right to be on the road.
The Gov needs to weed these people off the road to make it a safe place for those that care

[Slunnie]

Absolutely, they should. But self-preservation wins over righteousness.

[Eevo]

which ads are you talking about?

the one where the guy pulls out?

[Homestar]

So you've never made a mistake while driving - ever? If that's the case you've done better than me, and the rest of the human race I would imagine. Yes, there's dicks I the road, but why can't we take a deep breath and forgive those that make a genuine mistake while they are out and about? If we all did this, there would be a lot less agro on the road, which - I'm sure you would agree, would be a good thing.

While people continue with attitudes like this, we'll never get anywhere IMO. Take a deep breath, relax and enjoy things a bit more. Life's too short to be angry with the world the whole time. :)

[Peteren]

which ads are you talking about?

the one where the guy pulls out?


Yes, that's the one

[Mick_Marsh]

They are both doing the wrong thing. The fellow driving along is speeding. He says in the ad he would have stopped in time if he wasn't speeding.

[mark_coffey]

couldn't agree more Peter, there seems to be more people in such a hurry to be "there" that seem to be more agro with anyone who is in their way. Its the simple things like using indicators and giving some space behind you prior to overtaking that is lacking, ie some courtesy to all on the road. I seem to be more wary of those who drive up behind me now days than what is in front of me!

[bob10]

I'm sure the solution used to be called, defensive driving. And , perhaps,, not taking your personal problems on the road. And then again ,, keep your drug taking at home. Just a thought. Bob

[Peteren]

So you've never made a mistake while driving - ever? If that's the case you've done better than me, and the rest of the human race I would imagine. Yes, there's dicks I the road, but why can't we take a deep breath and forgive those that make a genuine mistake while they are out and about? If we all did this, there would be a lot less agro on the road, which - I'm sure you would agree, would be a good thing.

While people continue with attitudes like this, we'll never get anywhere IMO. Take a deep breath, relax and enjoy things a bit more. Life's too short to be angry with the world the whole time. :)


I would be dead several times over if I had not read the circumstance's correctly, both on 4 and 2 wheels. The simple mistakes that have no consequence I can and do live with.
The dicks that are on our roads at the moment have no right to be there.
I have no time for the person who tried to kill me on the way to Vic two weeks ago and the two dicks who tried the same on the way home yesterday.
The Police need to take these individuals off the road permanently, via fines or goal

[Peteren]

couldn't agree more Peter, there seems to be more people in such a hurry to be "there" that seem to be more agro with anyone who is in their way. Its the simple things like using indicators and giving some space behind you prior to overtaking that is lacking, ie some courtesy to all on the road. I seem to be more wary of those who drive up behind me now days than what is in front of me!


Right with you there Mark
I've just done 2,500 ks with a 3.2t van on the back, letting the people behind know your intensions is far better than advising them of your actions

[Eevo]

. He says in the ad he would have stopped in time if he wasn't speeding.

so its ok to pull out and not give way?

to me, there is only 1 person at fault here, the guy who pulled out. The only way to avoid this crash 100% is by following right of way laws

if you can't judge the speed of the oncoming car and the time needed to clear his lane, get off the road.

this ad has put back and lowered driving standards imho. it promotes the message its ok to be a bad driver, because someone else will make up for your mistakes.

[Eevo]

here is the ad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXHZvlsU6yk

[Peteren]

They are both doing the wrong thing. The fellow driving along is speeding. He says in the ad he would have stopped in time if he wasn't speeding.
I have searched for the ad without success. My recollection is that the driver with "right of way" was under the 110 limit, therefore not at fault.
I realise that "right of way" does not give anyone the right to put another road user at risk. I'm simply sick of taking life saving reactions due to the actions of idiots that are on our roads today

[Mick_Marsh]

so its ok to pull out and not give way?
Yes if I'm in an ASLAV.
It doesn't matter if I'm the one traveling along or the one pulling out. Same result.

I am not passing judgment, I am merely pointing out the nuances of the advertisement.

[Mick_Marsh]

I have searched for the ad without success. My recollection is that the driver with "right of way" was under the 110 limit, therefore not at fault.
I realise that "right of way" does not give anyone the right to put another road user at risk. I'm simply sick of taking life saving reactions due to the actions of idiots that are on our roads today
Might have been a 100 limit. He was going 108 and said he was going too fast.

It's interesting, you know, SA drivers have a propensity of pulling out in front of traffic.
Also, they love passing on unbroken lines (their most popular love).

[Eevo]

Might have been a 100 limit. He was going 108 and said he was going too fast.

that guy that pulled out probably wouldnt of know if the other road was 60, 80, 100 or 110.

if the speed limit was 110, the driver that pulled out is still at fault.

[Peteren]

It doesn't matter if I'm the one traveling along or the one pulling out. Same result.



That's the problem, those that don't give a **** vs those that do


Why do I have to continually watch out for the ****s that don't care to protect the safety of me and mine.

[Peteren]

It's interesting, you know, SA drivers have a propensity of pulling out in front of traffic.
Also, they love passing on unbroken lines (their most popular love).


I have just spent 3 weeks in Vic and can attest by my braking marks (skid lines) that Vic drivers have zero regard for white centre lines.

[Mick_Marsh]

I have just spent 3 weeks in Vic and can attest by my braking marks (skid lines) that Vic drivers have zero regard for white centre lines.
Oh, the Victorians aren't perfect drivers by far. I think their major fault is they are very aggressive drivers.
Interestingly, I find Sydney drivers to be very good, forgiving and courteous.

[Eevo]

Interestingly, I find Sydney drivers to be very good, forgiving and courteous.
100% agree.

[Peteren]

Oh, the Victorians aren't perfect drivers by far. I think their major fault is they are very aggressive drivers.

That usually means that the aggressive driver stands on the side of the road explaining to the police why there are multiple fatalities.

The aggressive drivers can go drive somewhere else, preferably in their dreams while in goal.

[Bushie]

It's a NZ ad that SA have picked up.


Martyn

[Eevo]

It's a NZ ad that SA have picked up.


Martyn

i thought they sounded a bit funny

[vnx205]

It seems that some people are more concerned about who is in the right than they are about whether that child will be killed.

It doesn't really matter if you are in the right if you and your child are dead.

While it may be the case that some drivers should not be on the roads, it it also the case that careful, competent drivers occasionally make mistakes too.

[Eevo]

It doesn't really matter if you are in the right if you and your child are dead.


but they weren't in the right.
and the child is irreverent.
just something they put in the ad to pull at the heart strings of the gullible and emotional people

[Chenz]

So you've never made a mistake while driving - ever? If that's the case you've done better than me, and the rest of the human race I would imagine. Yes, there's dicks I the road, but why can't we take a deep breath and forgive those that make a genuine mistake while they are out and about? If we all did this, there would be a lot less agro on the road, which - I'm sure you would agree, would be a good thing.

While people continue with attitudes like this, we'll never get anywhere IMO. Take a deep breath, relax and enjoy things a bit more. Life's too short to be angry with the world the whole time. :)

I agree with that however as an example, I was coming home from the farm on Saturday evening driving down River Lett Hill outside of Lithgow in the rain at the speed limit of 80 KPH. At the bottom of the hill there is a turn to the right which takes you to Jenolan Caves. At the last second, a driver in a Disco pulled out turning right onto the highway forcing me to slam on the brakes. Luckily the combination of ABS the horn and swerving into the breakdown lane enabled me to avoid a nasty rear ender. From his reaction it would appear he did not see me even though I had my headlights on.

He then puled over to the side and I drove around him only to be confronted by high beams, horn, tailgating and fist waving.

The point is he was clearly in the wrong and made a mistake and yet he was the one acting aggressively afterwards. I have made a mistake behind the wheel many times, changing lanes etc and I have put up my hand and apologised. It appears however that this is becoming less and less the norm and people just give you the bird and adopt the "stuff you" attitude while driving.

[Eevo]

people just give you the bird and adopt the "stuff you" attitude while driving.

people cant accept their own mistakes.

[Mick_Marsh]

I agree with that however as an example, I was coming home from the farm on Saturday evening driving down River Lett Hill outside of Lithgow in the rain at the speed limit of 80 KPH. At the bottom of the hill there is a turn to the right which takes you to Jenolan Caves. At the last second, a driver in a Disco pulled out turning right onto the highway forcing me to slam on the brakes. Luckily the combination of ABS the horn and swerving into the breakdown lane enabled me to avoid a nasty rear ender. From his reaction it would appear he did not see me even though I had my headlights on.

He then puled over to the side and I drove around him only to be confronted by high beams, horn, tailgating and fist waving.

The point is he was clearly in the wrong and made a mistake and yet he was the one acting aggressively afterwards. I have made a mistake behind the wheel many times, changing lanes etc and I have put up my hand and apologised. It appears however that this is becoming less and less the norm and people just give you the bird and adopt the "stuff you" attitude while driving.
Must have been a Melbourne driver. That's so out of character for Lithgow. I've only experienced courteous people there.

[Tombie]

Try the run we did yesterday...

Bickie Dippers who drive with little regard to traffic, slow without warning, wobble all over the road including into the other lane as you (legally) attempt to pass.

Fail to give way and pull out

Aggressive, risk taking bafoons that believe their 'fully awesome' Hilux complete with Long Horn sticker, swag in the tray entitles them to disobey all fundamental road rules...

Yep...

The most courteous on the trip? Pilots and Heavy Haulage...

[BigJon]

That ad irks me for several reasons.
Such as:
It isn't Australian.
There are no indications of a speed limit for the road. At no point does the oncoming driver say he was speeding, just he was "going too fast".
Too fast to stop when the fool pulls out? Yes. Doesn't mean breaking the speed limit.
The entire ad is blame shifting. The driver doing the wrong thing is blaming the innocent driver for the collision.

[jonesfam]

A million years ago when I was learning to drive I was told:
A stop sign can not physically make a driver stop, a give way sign can not physically make a driver give way & a road rule has no way of making people obey the road rules, so drive like nobody will do what they are supposed to.
I have always driven that way, I don't expect anyone to do the right thing so I am, hopefully, read when they don't.
Doesn't mean I haven't stuffed up but when some dill pulls out or changes lanes or whatever I usually have in my mind that they might do that so I'm prepared to some degree.
Jonesfam

[Mick_Marsh]

A million years ago when I was learning to drive I was told:
A stop sign can not physically make a driver stop, a give way sign can not physically make a driver give way & a road rule has no way of making people obey the road rules, so drive like nobody will do what they are supposed to.
I have always driven that way, I don't expect anyone to do the right thing so I am, hopefully, read when they don't.
Doesn't mean I haven't stuffed up but when some dill pulls out or changes lanes or whatever I usually have in my mind that they might do that so I'm prepared to some degree.
JonesfamI think that was called defensive driving.
I think offensive driving is practiced today.

[Fred Nerk]

A few of the earlier posts refer to drivers having "right of way". The fact is no road rules give any one a "right of way".

The road rules advise which drivers should give way or yield. It does not mean the other driver has the right to hit them. A very important distinction and why frequently, the driver who felt he/she was right is usually apportioned some blame for a collision.

We were instructed to drive as if you are invisible. Never assume the other driver has seen you or will avoid you.