Help - Rangie diff into series?

[Import]

Anyone with "any" info on a complete front axel/diff arrangement from Rangerover/Discovery into Series type Landrover?
These are getting fairly cheap on my local online auction.
I'm looking for a cheap way of putting a disk front end on my F/Control 2A.
I've been told that they are a little wider and will make my tyres protrude but I've gone for smaller tyres anyway due to lack of availability (900.16 to 235/85/16). Someone else has suggested the draglinks are behind the diff on the rangie (I havnt had a chance to look).
I'm not wanting to add coil suspension just thinking about anglegrinding off the coilspring stuff and welding on a axle plate for leafsprings.
Educate me please.
cheers
Import

[River]

Me Also, Given there is a kit to convert you series axel to disc, Only $1850.00 8O Thats only $1000 more than the car 8O

[Import]

Hi River,
yeah I got offered a complete rangie front axel for $200 NZ with good swivels, seals and I know the vechicle - Its never been off road. Rust got to the chassis so it wasnt bent in an accident. I figure if its doable I'll get my money back selling the diffhead and putting it to 4.7 to one with a series 3 head. Anyone?
cheers
Import

[Import]

Anyone recall reading an article in one of the british Landrover Owner type magazines a couple of years ago. I got rid of all mine last time I moved.
cheers
Import

[mrapocalypse]

Yep, I remember LRO critisizing a IIa with RR axles. The wider axles cause the steering arms to fowl the leaf springs and reduce the wheel travel. Also the steering dynamics change. Nothing insurmaountable I guess.

[DaveS3]

Does your 2a FC have a Sailsbury?

If so keep it and convert them to disks.
You have the the strongest diff LR ever made...Have you compared your CV's to RR ones? They are double the size and bullet proof.

Any info would be for normal Landies which are SPUA wheras yours is SPOA - so therefore almost irrelevant bar steering.

I dont think that disks would be worth the gain - especially as you loose ALL strength in your front axle.

If you do - ship it to me style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

Dave.

[DaveS3]

Also - you would probably have 8 stud wheels?

RR only have 5 stud wheels wth less offset, as well as the hubs/spindles being completely different to house the twig axles that they carry.

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[Import]

Hi DaveS3,
no! I think your thinking of a 101 f/control. Mine is a 1965 109 series 2a.
Env's 4.7 to 1 ratio with same brake shoes and cyclinders as stage 1 v8 series 3. I use an isolated booster rather than the series 3 master cyclinder and booster combo. The F/Control have a rep for rubbish brakes.
cheers
Import.

[crossy]

env's are rubbish. do you wont to sell them? rover stuff is heaps better :mrgreen: dont listen to daves3 he dont know jack.
sell them to me.

[Import]

Hi crossy,
even economy from NZ would break your piggy bank. I'm not unhappy with my Env's, just the brakes.
I've read the reason Landrover dropped the env wasnt strength it was cost.
I'm going to do some measuring tomorrow as some one suggested a spacer between standard landrover axels and R/rover swivels might do the trick. This would allow for the different stud groupings. Sound ok in theory but I'll have to put on the thinking cap. I have yet to measure the envs.
cheers
Import

[crossy]

import,
i was taking the pi$$ a bit. Keep those eatans at all cost. You wont find better. how about posting some pics of the beast.

re the brakes - what size are the spindles ? any chance of fitting rangie hubs and spindals? this is what i am doing on my S3 you will have to make custom caliper mounts and stuff around a bit.

but if you are sprung over and rangie swivels are a option,
i would cut off the existing axle flange and weld on a rangie flange, should work. most diff shops will be able to do this cheap.

but imho you have the second best 4wd rover ever made (101 fc #1 )
i would't do any butchering that can't be undone..

but if you do want to sell it, cool i will pay $$$ for it. When it arrives i will put it on the dole. should pay for itself real quick. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif
only problem is it will never work again :evil:

[Import]

Originally posted by crossy
import,
how about posting some pics of the beast.
Theres some in the gallery
cheers
Import

[jimbo110]

hi import, i have a disc brake kit from a rear diff of a S111 (yes a 4 wheel disc S111). it is the machined hubs, rotors, caliper adaptor brackets and toyota calipers. it was fitted to a salisbury diff but still used the smaller S11a stub axles. should fit the front axle as well. when i bought this diff i tried to buy the front diff as well but the guy threw it out because the diff was noisey :evil: boy was i ****ed! anyway it all bolts in to the original mounts for the backing plate of the drum brakes. the calipers are a bit rusty but the hubs and rotors are like new. let me know if you are interested. jim.b.

[DaveS3]

Originally posted by Import
Hi DaveS3,
no! I think your thinking of a 101 f/control. Mine is a 1965 109 series 2a.
Env's 4.7 to 1 ratio with same brake shoes and cyclinders as stage 1 v8 series 3. I use an isolated booster rather than the series 3 master cyclinder and booster combo. The F/Control have a rep for rubbish brakes.
cheers
Import..

So you have ENV's.
Look at BCB offroad as they make a kit.

What hubs do the ENV's have? Same as stage one? or like the FC 101's.
I still think they are different.

If they are like a stage 1, you can retain your spindles and bolt on rangie hubs and make a custom bracket to hold the callipers.

Dave (who still wants ENV's style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif )

[Import]

Originally posted by jimbo110
hi import, i have a disc brake kit from a rear diff of a S111 (yes a 4 wheel disc S111). it is the machined hubs, rotors, caliper adaptor brackets and toyota calipers. it was fitted to a salisbury diff but still used the smaller S11a stub axles. should fit the front axle as well. when i bought this diff i tried to buy the front diff as well but the guy threw it out because the diff was noisey :evil: boy was i ****ed! anyway it all bolts in to the original mounts for the backing plate of the drum brakes. the calipers are a bit rusty but the hubs and rotors are like new. let me know if you are interested. jim.b.
Thanks for the offer jimbo110, I'm about to send a PM to ask more info.
cheers
Import

[Import]

So you have ENV's.
Look at BCB offroad as they make a kit.

What hubs do the ENV's have? Same as stage one? or like the FC 101's.
I still think they are different.

If they are like a stage 1, you can retain your spindles and bolt on rangie hubs and make a custom bracket to hold the callipers.

Dave (who still wants ENV's style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif )[/quote]
Hi Dave,
No idea about the hubs.
any kits available are going to be way out of my price range.
Tell me more about your "bolt on rangie hubs" theory though and do you have any "links" to similiar info?
cheers
Import

[DaveS3]

Well stage 1 have the same hubs as a rangie, so you can use rangie hubs to convert to disks which you need to then make a disk calliper bracket.

Dave.

(Search on outerlimits 4x4 rover section)

[DaveS3]

Here is some interesting reading which should answer your Q's....

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/...disk+conversion (http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php't=43589&highlight=disk+conversion)

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/...ghlight=springs (http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php't=37883&highlight=springs)

Dave.

[Import]

Originally posted by DaveS3
Here is some interesting reading which should answer your Q's....

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/...disk+conversion (http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php't=43589&highlight=disk+conversion)

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/...ghlight=springs (http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php't=37883&highlight=springs)

Dave.
very interesting reading DaveS3 - thanks heaps for the heads up.
cheers
Import.