Heater

[Dark61]

just went to look at a round cabin heater (bugger - cant remember the name - it wasn't a Claymore or a Smiths ). It was out of a series 2 and took the supplies for the water from what seemed like a point on the l/h side of the engine block near the thermostat and a tap at the r/h rear. I was thinking I could use it in my 1957 88. But that has two supply hoses chopped out at the r/h front of the engine. I couldn't get my head around it so passed - but on second thoughts - I could just re-plumb it I suppose couldn't I?
Any thoughts as usual , gratefully appreciated.
cheers,
D

[mfc]

Smiths are the original , Clayton I beleave.are the new ones
....( try Holden vintage in the uk) there a tad thicker than the originally smiths but that won't matter if you have the original heater body, you just straighten the spring clips a tad...... Be warned.. There not cheep( what s1 buts are)...
Regards mark

With my 55 one pipe fits a threaded hole in the square thermostat housing, with valve tap attached to it ...
The other fits onto the bottom metal coolant pipe..... It's just a 3 or 4 cm kinda t joint. I'll pop ap a pic or two if you like.. You may find that there was no technical leap forward for the s11

[Dark61]

Thanks mfc . Yes please re the pics.


Thanks for the Holden Vintage tip.


please see two pics I have attached.


re pic 1 is there a rubber hose that fits onto the water pump inlet pipe that then fits onto the bottom of the radiator do you know? Most of mine re pic 2 is missing. Re the series 2 or 2a that I looked at the weekend. The supply didn't appear to come from the same places as on the series 1.
Oh , and do you have a sensor for temperature sitting next to the water inlet pipe by the thermostat?


cheers,
D

[mfc]

I'd say the pipe nearest is for a temp gauge ( used to be mechanical...I just used an electrical one93217
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If you're lucky there's two flaps that can close of the front grill and there's a rectangle to circular fitting that can be plumed up through the 2inch(????) holes on the top to defrost the window...recon I'll jerry rig a pipe to run up my trouser legs [emoji16]
Regards mark

[Dark61]

Trouser leg option sounds a winner!


Thanks for the pics.


D

[mfc]

No probs.... There's a combined water temp oil presure gauge ( I've never seen one[emoji24])... I think in that second photo someone has used a gates water hose when the metal one rusted out

Forgot this one ( new f-/$8n Tapatalk Grrrr). Attachment

[mfc]

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[mfc]

Far as I know a lot of old cars had them... All that realy matters is that the two pipes fit through the holes...... There's only 3 small studs and bolts that hold the heater on( bolts in engine bay) .... That metal clip in the last pic is what you need to straitened a bit,, it just holds the face of the heater on

Pop a pic up of the car " we like to watch" lol

[Dark61]

Hello again,


I was clearing out the shed and stumbled across the attached which I had forgotten I had. I guess it was in the back of the series 1 when I bought it home. I thought oh! its the water inlet pipe - but couldn't work out where the connection would have gone for the copper pipe to the heater. Were some plumbed up differently to the norm do you know?


cheers,
D

[Dark61]

ooops sorry , forgot the pic.
cheers,
D

[mfc]

That's the peice that runs from the water pump to the bottom rad outlet .... The tab bolts to the timing case ( with a spacer usually ) there is a pipe of this (on ones for the heater take off.. ) ... Don't think I had any trouble finding one.... Even get one welded on should be easy...it takes off about an inch from the flange and points slightly towards the firewall

[mfc]

Car looks solid ... Mine had a hardtop but it was like being on the inside of a can of marbles being shaken

[Dark61]

thanks again.


The car is in remarkably good nick and drives beautifully*, engine is sweet.


Chassis sound , no major rust anywhere. Usual bits and pieces missing, all electrics work.


Will be saving up to get it on the road once the series 3 is finished.


*no brakes as the rear brake line is like swiss cheese!!


cheers,
D

[1950landy]

Here is a photo copy out of a S2 , 2A parts book of a round heater. ;) I have a round Smiths heater , not sure whah Rover it came out of . I will be in Tasmania next week but it is a bit big to fit in my luggage.:cool: I also have a sample lower pipe but it is full of pin holes.:mad: I will post some photo's later when I get them off my camera.

[1950landy]

The first 3 photo's are the heater & lower pipe I have & the last 2 are the heater in my 80":D

[1950landy]

One photo didn't work:mad:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Smiths are the original , Clayton I beleave.are the new ones
...Sorry for coming to this thread so late. Clayton-Dewandre were the original heaters fitted to Land Rover 80" in the UK and are the type listed in the original Rover Co Ltd workshop manual. However they were rarely imported into Australia because of the Australian content rules where The Smiths Industries type were fitted as the optional accessory because they were manufactured in Australia.

There are a number of similar appearing round smiths heaters but be careful, many were designed to fit into Holden cars (FJ, FB, FC, EK) they have a thicker core and protrude further out the back than the ones for Land Rover. If fited to a series 1 or 2 they stick out too far from the firewall and will burn the passenger's legs.

You will sometimes find Bosch "beehive" shaped heaters fitted to Series 1 and Series 2 Landies, but these seem to have been fitted as accessories in the 1960s.

[1950landy]

Here is a photo copy out of a S2 , 2A parts book of a round heater. ;) I have a round Smiths heater , not sure whah Rover it came out of . I will be in Tasmania next week but it is a bit big to fit in my luggage.:cool: I also have a sample lower pipe but it is full of pin holes.:mad: I will post some photo's later when I get them off my camera.

My series1 parts book shows this same photo in it

[Dark61]

The first 3 photo's are the heater & lower pipe I have & the last 2 are the heater in my 80":D



Thanks for this Mate especially the pics - the 4th one in particular as if I ever manage to track down a pipe It gives me the options of how to connect the hoses if no other connection is viable. I hadn't thought of it.
cheers,
D

[1950landy]

As mfc said you could get the 1/2" pipe welded in to your pipe. I looked at getting some pipes made with the heater spot but could not find anyone. That had the Mandel's to bend that size pipe here in Brisbane.

[gromit]

Chazza used to make the pipe you are after (with or without heater connection). I haven't seen him on the forum for a while but it would be worth sending him a PM.

Colin

[Dark61]

Yes - there doesn't appear to be one to be had anywhere in pommy-land . I've tried several places.


pm'd Chazza. Thanks for the heads up.


cheers,


D

[mfc]

Sorry for coming to this thread so late. Clayton-Dewandre were the original heaters fitted to Land Rover 80" in the UK and are the type listed in the original Rover Co Ltd workshop manual. However they were rarely imported into Australia because of the Australian content rules where The Smiths Industries type were fitted as the optional accessory because they were manufactured in Australia.



There are a number of similar appearing round smiths heaters but be careful, many were designed to fit into Holden cars (FJ, FB, FC, EK) they have a thicker core and protrude further out the back than the ones for Land Rover. If fited to a series 1 or 2 they stick out too far from the firewall and will burn the passenger's legs.



You will sometimes find Bosch "beehive" shaped heaters fitted to Series 1 and Series 2 Landies, but these seem to have been fitted as accessories in the 1960s.


....the smith/ Clayton issue is likely the Clayton matrix being built( new through Holden uk) slightly thicker , less than 5 mm thicker . Doesn't present much of an issue ...... I do recall them offering two thicknesses though, and also one supplied with rear mounting plate and the other reusing the existing one....Any one found a source for the heater to demister connection?
Cheers mark

[Lotz-A-Landies]

....the smith/ Clayton issue is likely the Clayton matrix being built( new through Holden uk) slightly thicker , less than 5 mm thicker . Doesn't present much of an issue ...... I do recall them offering two thicknesses though, and also one supplied with rear mounting plate and the other reusing the existing one....Any one found a source for the heater to demister connection?
Cheers markI think you miss my point. The difference I was talking about is between two models of Smiths round heaters.

The one for the Land Rover is basically flat at the back with only the supports and two coolant pipes sticking out, the other Smiths model had the motor protruding about 25mm behind the element and the element was about 50% thicker so the complete heater protrudes about 70mm further into the passenger's footwell than the one designed/used on Land Rover.

I have also heard of people using Clayton heater replacement elements in Smiths round heaters with just a bit of fiddling.

[Dark61]

....the smith/ Clayton issue is likely the Clayton matrix being built( new through Holden uk) slightly thicker , less than 5 mm thicker . Doesn't present much of an issue ...... I do recall them offering two thicknesses though, and also one supplied with rear mounting plate and the other reusing the existing one....Any one found a source for the heater to demister connection?
Cheers mark


Craddock's do the junction box I think if that's what you are after GBP8.00 ish. Part 304348.


cheers,
D

[mfc]

I think you miss my point. The difference I was talking about is between two models of Smiths round heaters.



The one for the Land Rover is basically flat at the back with only the supports and two coolant pipes sticking out, the other Smiths model had the motor protruding about 25mm behind the element and the element was about 50% thicker so the complete heater protrudes about 70mm further into the passenger's footwell than the one designed/used on Land Rover.



I have also heard of people using Clayton heater replacement elements in Smiths round heaters with just a bit of fiddling.


I get you now..... There's 2 different thickness in the Clayton heater Cores one core is thicker the other both come with or without backing plates , the one that's closest is a matter off is so close to the correct size and from memory they sell the clips as well, that's the only issue I had ,fiddled for a Minute or 3

or without the backing plate

[mfc]

Original smith in the shed measures 3 inch thick.... The Chaton without pulling it out is only a mill or 2 thicker (might even be that the backing plate is outa square ) or spring steel clips not as springy as they used to me....

I'll browse craddocks this arvo

[Dark61]

Gents, so apart from if I am looking at one with the fan sticking part out the back , everything else will probably do?
cheers,
D

[mfc]

If it is like the one in mine( post 6 ) also the one that lotza-Landys talks about in post 24 , it's the one with the flat back. Ie the photo I put up... That core is the one I ordered new from Holden vintage... I reused the flat back plate and fans and the spring clips., the clips were a tad short but they now come with heater core..... I'll check what model no it is later ,......http://www.holden.co.uk/displayproduct.asp'sg=1&pgCode=083&sgName=Electrical&pgName=Heaters+%26+Electrical+Fans&agCode=0206&agName=Circular+Heater+Elements&pCode=080.505.
941109411094112.....second is the no on rear of original core.....I'll pop up the thicknesses of the old and new when I find a ruler( what fool decided to put battery's in micrometers)...... Code Chs.2620/1
Model 1 3/4

[mfc]

Fitting was easy ( reusing the old clips was a bugger) slight change in fan but required little more than a grub screw.. ......i used the old backing plate.
Cheers