What happens when???

[landross]

Hi all
Does anyone out there knows what happens when you open a 2014/2015 defender with your key instead of the clicker after the it has been locked with the clicker? I suspect the alarm will go off and the engine is immobilized. It's not something I want to try just to find out because if I'm right you have reset everything using the key in the ignition to enter a 4 digit number. After nearly 3 months my dealer has not been able to give me the 4 digit code number. Can anyone help?

[chook73]

Hi all
Does anyone out there knows what happens when you open a 2014/2015 defender with your key instead of the clicker after the it has been locked with the clicker? I suspect the alarm will go off and the engine is immobilized. It's not something I want to try just to find out because if I'm right you have reset everything using the key in the ignition to enter a 4 digit number. After nearly 3 months my dealer has not been able to give me the 4 digit code number. Can anyone help?

I had to try and enter the 4 digit number once.....

After 2 hours of trying I called a tilt tray back to the steeler.....

Its an absolutely stupid thing to have to do. It turned out in my case it was a short in one of the doors.

Not sure about they key thing however.

[robh]

Landross,
Mine is a MY13 but I'm pretty sure you are right, the alarm goes off and the engine is immobilised. There was another thread on this forum where the battery went flat in the owners clicker and he experienced exactly that.

I'm not sure about the "having to reset everything" though. You will need to go through that process if you wish to get moving without the clicker, however, if my memory is correct, once you subsequently use the clicker (i.e. once the battery is replaced) things will just start working again.

Anyway, none of that is your real problem and many people, including myself, have had issues trying to get the EKA code from a dealership. I bought mine second hand but was not given the EKA code. I begged the dealer to find the code but they said it wasn't on the system and they didn't know how else to get it.

Then I tried "Blacklocks Land Rover" in Albury (Lavington). I got my Defender serviced there and asked if they could read the EKA off the ECU for me. They said it wasn't recorded on there however they where able to send away for it (to the UK) using the VIN number and a couple of days later it arrived in an email (they did ask if I was happy for it to be emailed before hand).

Hope you have some luck, I know how frustrating it is.
Rob

[The Cone of Silence]

You're correct, Rob.

I've done this before and all was well once the clicker was cluck.

[VladTepes]

I love my no frills Tdi - just sayin '

[landross]

You're correct, Rob.

I've done this before and all was well once the clicker was cluck.



The lesson is to always carry a spare battery for remote, be prepared!!
Thanks,
Ross

[landross]

I love my no frills Tdi - just sayin '



The good days, may they return soon.
Cheers,
Ross

[landross]

Landross,
Mine is a MY13 but I'm pretty sure you are right, the alarm goes off and the engine is immobilised. There was another thread on this forum where the battery went flat in the owners clicker and he experienced exactly that.

I'm not sure about the "having to reset everything" though. You will need to go through that process if you wish to get moving without the clicker, however, if my memory is correct, once you subsequently use the clicker (i.e. once the battery is replaced) things will just start working again.

Anyway, none of that is your real problem and many people, including myself, have had issues trying to get the EKA code from a dealership. I bought mine second hand but was not given the EKA code. I begged the dealer to find the code but they said it wasn't on the system and they didn't know how else to get it.

Then I tried "Blacklocks Land Rover" in Albury (Lavington). I got my Defender serviced there and asked if they could read the EKA off the ECU for me. They said it wasn't recorded on there however they where able to send away for it (to the UK) using the VIN number and a couple of days later it arrived in an email (they did ask if I was happy for it to be emailed before hand).

Hope you have some luck, I know how frustrating it is.
Rob


Thanks Rob.
I've just managed to get code from LR so I can at least experiment. Sounds like the modern defender owner is best to always use clicker/remote, always carry a spare battery and always tell anybody who drives the vehicle about this stupid procedure.
Thanks again,
Ross

[landross]

I had to try and enter the 4 digit number once.....

After 2 hours of trying I called a tilt tray back to the steeler.....

Its an absolutely stupid thing to have to do. It turned out in my case it was a short in one of the doors.

Not sure about they key thing however.





I would be absolutely enraged to be left at the side of the road for such a stupid reason, these vehicles are getting too far away from their simple beginnings probably at the insistence of insurance companies. I hope I don't go through the same as you. Thanks for reply.
Ross

[Pocket Rocket]

I was wondering where one would enter a code so found this online at this website Land Rover Workshop Manuals > TD5 Defender > ELECTRICAL > IMMOBILISATION SYSTEM - FROM 02MY > Page 755 (http://workshop-manuals.com/landrover/defendertd5/electrical/immobilisation_system_from_02my/page_755/)

I really hope I never have to do this!!!

Emergency Key Access (EKA)
If the vehicle is in an immobilised condition and the remote handset is not available or inoperable, an EKA
procedure using the vehicle key is available to remobilise the engine systems. The EKA code is supplied with the
vehicle and is shown on the security card supplied with the owners handbook.

NOTE: This feature is only available in markets where full alarm functionality is specified.

The EKA code involves the input of a unique four digit code which is entered using the ignition switch and the
drivers door switch. Note that the alarm sounder will operate as soon as the drivers door is opened and will
continue until the sequence is successfully completed.

To enter the code (2, 3, 4, 5 for example) perform the following steps:
1. Remove the handset from the key ring and position the handset well away from the ignition switch when
entering the code.
2. Open the driver's door and immediately insert the key in the ignition switch and turn the ignition switch to
position II. Hold this position until the alarm sounds, then switch the ignition off (position 0) and close the
driver's door.
3. Enter the first digit of the code. Turn the ignition on (to position II) and then off twice. Open and close the
driver's door to enter the first digit.
4. Enter the second digit. Turn the ignition on and then off, three times. Open and close the driver's door to
enter the second digit.
5. Enter the third digit. Turn the ignition on and then off, four times. Open and close the driver's door to enter
the third digit.
6. Enter the fourth digit. Turn the ignition on and then off, five times. Open and close the driver's door to enter
the fourth digit. If the code has been entered correctly, the alarm LED in the instrument pack will extinguish
and the engine can be started after the last closure of the driver's door.

If a digit is incorrectly entered, holding the ignition switch in the on position for more than 5 seconds will reset the
sequence. The code must then be re-entered from the beginning.
If the EKA code is correctly entered, the security LED will illuminate for 1 second, the immobilisation will be
disabled and the alarm sounder will cease to operate.
If the EKA code is incorrectly entered, the alarm sounder will sound twice and the correct code must be
re-entered, If the EKA code is incorrectly entered three times the system invokes a 30 minute lockout. This is
signalled by the LED flashing with a long illuminated period followed by a short extinguished period for the lockout
duration.

NOTE: Disabling the alarm and immobilisation system using the EKA procedure is only valid for
one ignition on/off cycle. When the ignition is switched off, the immobilisation system will be
activated after a period of 30 seconds. If the remote handset is still unavailable, the EKA
procedure will have to be repeated each time the vehicle is to be driven

[Primalanton]

My 2004 Defender chucked a wobbly on the weekend. Central locking failed, alarm would go off when try to start (3 time) then after that nothing!
Disconnected & re- connected the battery and everything worked like new!

[Baytown]

Mine has started the same issue.
Neither clicker will open the car ( mostly) and when I use the key in the ignition, it alarms.
Im on the road so bloody frustrating and it draws a crowd of onlookers.
I have to remove my seat to get to my battery (Recaros) so will try tomorrow once Im at my destination in Canungra.
Hope that fixes it.
Ken


My 2004 Defender chucked a wobbly on the weekend. Central locking failed, alarm would go off when try to start (3 time) then after that nothing!
Disconnected & re- connected the battery and everything worked like new!

[jackdef90]

Mine has started the same issue.
Neither clicker will open the car ( mostly) and when I use the key in the ignition, it alarms.
Im on the road so bloody frustrating and it draws a crowd of onlookers.
I have to remove my seat to get to my battery (Recaros) so will try tomorrow once Im at my destination in Canungra.
Hope that fixes it.
Ken

I just read this and had to say something,
Why on earth would you put seats in that prevent you from easily getting to the batteries? The standard seats are pretty good IMO, it's a defender your gonna want to get to the batts pretty often, I do anyway.

[ramblingboy42]

The lesson is to always carry a spare battery for remote, be prepared!!
Thanks,
Ross

Great Idea.....where do you carry this spare battery?

[Baytown]

Probably cause its my vehicle and the Recaros are more comfortable for long days in the car. It takes only 4 mins or so to remove IF I have an issue.
Jeez, lighten up some you!
Ken

[Baytown]

My alarm seems to have sorted its self out as well.
Gremlins!

[PAT303]

Great Idea.....where do you carry this spare battery?

If you have the vehicle dealer serviced they change the key fob battery every 40K,but keeping a spare in the cubby is a good idea. Pat

[PAT303]

I love my no frills Tdi - just sayin '

Yeah,because the ones you've owned have been so reliable haven't they ;). Pat

[tact]

Great Idea.....where do you carry this spare battery?

And do read up on the procedure for changing fob battery. Owners manual. Even this "simple" task isn't as simple as just flipping the old one out and slotting a new one in.