Looks Like I'm Joining the Series Clan

[JayBee75]

Hi All,

Due to the generosity of another Landrover member I will be finally acquiring a 1963 SWB SII!:cool:

Needs a resto but that's the whole idea. I have ALOT to learn and hoping i can make some great contacts through this process.

He has given me the engine numbers etc and knows the details of the vehicle as he's already done research on the car however I would like to try to ascertain what color and details the car came with. He has told me the car is all matching numbers and original, I would like to work towards restoring it with my young son to it's former glory.

Chassis: 24304085B
Engine: 25146862D

Thanks Jonathan (JB)

[ezyrama]

Good stuff, but you MUST post pic's:rulez::rulez::rulez:. Welcome and remember, if in doubt, ask. There are some very knowledgeable people here who are always willing to help.
Cheers Ian

[JayBee75]

Thanks Ian. People have been very helpful already.

One of the mods has given information of a couple I was looking at, I am hoping someone can run my serial numbers and tell me what they can about the car?

[JayBee75]

More to come when I pick her up

[loanrangie]

Nice, looks pretty straight.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Chassis: 24304085B
Engine: 25146862D


Delivered 11-7-63 by Grenville Motors as a Truck Cab to J Wallace. The engine is the original.
J Wallace bought two from that batch, he could have been acting as an agent or dealer.

Hope that helps!

[JayBee75]

Cheers!
Wallace was the local LR dealer at the time

So where is it everyone derives this vehicle information from, it's incredible!

[pop058]

Cheers!
Wallace was the local LR dealer at the time

So where is it everyone derives this vehicle information from, it's incredible!

IIRC, a few members have some of the original books showing this info. My understanding is that the info is available (as shown above) but with a condition that the books are not copied. Those custodians have always been forthcomming with the info and helped as much as possible. To ensure this continues, the (copy restriction) condition needs to be respected.

[JayBee75]

Thanks Paul and Mark, this information sharing is very much appreciated and has made myself very happy, and even more excited. I have every intention of trying to restore and use the information as part of the history of the vehicle and the next stage of its life and my tenure of the vehicle.

Thanks guys

[JayBoRover]

That's a nice, straight looking shorty you have there:cool:. I'm looking forward to more photo's and hearing of your progress with a resto. Doesn't look like it needs too much - a couple of indicators and a windscreen glass ... and probably a "few" other things to keep you amused for a while!:D
Cheers
John B (I guess I could have gone with JayBee65:D)

[JayBee75]

That's a nice, straight looking shorty you have there:cool:. I'm looking forward to more photo's and hearing of your progress with a resto. Doesn't look like it needs too much - a couple of indicators and a windscreen glass ... and probably a "few" other things to keep you amused for a while!:D
Cheers
John B (I guess I could have gone with JayBee65:D)

Thanks JB,

I am picking her up on Friday 29th, a nice big 7 hr trip up in the D4. i am going to post up my thoughts and request for input from people as i need advice etc and being my first resto, i am excited but nervous particulalry when i read some of the other restos going on and the expertise that guys have.

BTW are you on advrider by any chance? your name looks familiar....

Cheers
JB

[JayBoRover]

Hiya JB,
Yep, on ADVRider as well.:)
The great thing about Series Landy restoration is they are pretty simple and you become "expert" by giving it a go, learning mostly from others on here and occasionally learning from your own mistakes.
Best of luck for the trip to collect it.

[JayBee75]

Hi guys, time to start the process so to speak. I will be now picking my Shortie up tomorrow to bring back to melb, attached are a couple more pics from the current custodian.

I have started doing a lot of research, ordered the Haynes restoration book (which I was a little disappointed in) as whilst I have never done a resto before mechanically I am ok hence why I am venturing down this path. My biggest concern is I am not mechanically creative or able to create something out of nothing, hence I can follow instructions, I can pull apart and put back together, but hey as the guys say all part of the learning phase!

So welcome everyone's input here, I am wanting to do a resto and keep the car as original as possible. I know what color it originally was and its history. I only really want to replace parts if required, otherwise I am hoping allot of it will be clean/service/freshen and put back together.

A couple of questions I have:

1. Are there any upgrades that are a must eg for safety or longevity of the car, eg brake booster? Disc brakes? Change the wiring loom?

2. In relation to tools is there anything out of the norm that's a must?

3. Thirdly I have done a lot of reading on previous resto's? however how are people cleaning back chassis and parts? Is it purely cleaning or sanding back to bare metal with a angle grinder and brush then paint? Are people cleaning with degreaser, petrol etc etc, Seems simple I know but I don't want to go about this wrong.

Thanks in anticipation.
JB

[jamesnedtaylor]

Hi guys, time to start the process so to speak. I will be now picking my Shortie up tomorrow to bring back to melb, attached are a couple more pics from the current custodian.

I have started doing a lot of research, ordered the Haynes restoration book (which I was a little disappointed in) as whilst I have never done a resto before mechanically I am ok hence why I am venturing down this path. My biggest concern is I am not mechanically creative or able to create something out of nothing, hence I can follow instructions, I can pull apart and put back together, but hey as the guys say all part of the learning phase!

So welcome everyone's input here, I am wanting to do a resto and keep the car as original as possible. I know what color it originally was and its history. I only really want to replace parts if required, otherwise I am hoping allot of it will be clean/service/freshen and put back together.

A couple of questions I have:

1.Are there any upgrades that are a must eg for safety or longevity of the car, eg brake booster? Disc brakes? Change the wiring loom?

2.In relation to tools is there anything out of the norm that's a must?

3.Thirdly I have done a lot of reading on previous resto's? however how are people cleaning back chassis and parts? Is it purely cleaning or sanding back to bare metal with a angle grinder and brush then paint? Are people cleaning with degreaser, petrol etc etc, Seems simple I know but I don't want to go about this wrong.

Thanks in anticipation.
JB

No 2 a really good series tool is a collet ion of hammers but in all seriousness a 181 piece tool kit from repco or supercheap will have most of the tools you would need some imperial spammers help :)

1. I have seen defender brakes put on series they havnt really changed much axel wise but I havnt done this change or there could be a special Kit for series maybe someone else can shed light on this but all saying that standard series brakes will stop you even if it takes a while :)

And chassis depends if you are going to do a complete nut and bolt resto you might want to look into getting it sandblasted and then look from there but most all all have fun with it :)


Hope this helps
James


1969 109" 2a named loti

[JDNSW]

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A couple of questions I have:

1. Are there any upgrades that are a must eg for safety or longevity of the car, eg brake booster? Disc brakes? Change the wiring loom?

2. In relation to tools is there anything out of the norm that's a must?

3. Thirdly I have done a lot of reading on previous resto's? however how are people cleaning back chassis and parts? Is it purely cleaning or sanding back to bare metal with a angle grinder and brush then paint? Are people cleaning with degreaser, petrol etc etc, Seems simple I know but I don't want to go about this wrong.

Thanks in anticipation.
JB

1. There are no "upgrades" that are a must, but many will have a list of suggested upgrades. However, you will, as with any vehicle of this age, find a lot of things that you might want to change in doing this. Suggestions I would make.
It will have originally only have a driver's windscreen wiper - you are likely to find you now need a second one. You will probably want a windscreen washer. Depending on planned use, a heater if not already fitted. Change battery polarity to negative earth (may already be done). Fit seat belts.

A bit lower on priority - fit headlight relay. Fit alternator to replace generator. Fit antiburst door locks. Fit window locks (may already be fitted). LWB brakes , especially the wider front six cylinder brakes, are a worthwhile improvement. While discs can be fitted, unless you are rolling in money, this is an expensive modification. Fit reversing light. It is probably 7:1 compression, skimming the head to 8:1 is probably worthwhile for most users, especially if overhauling the head anyway. Depending on whether you want a technically accurate restoration or just something that works, you may want to upgrade some of the lights.

2. Tools. You need a set of Whitworth spanners as well as AF spanners. There may be a few metric replacement bolts, but thesewill cover almost everything. Probably want to get a hub nu spanner - these are not very expensive. Definitely need factory workshoop manual and parts book. (See "Shop" at the top of this page for CDs abd support the forum)

3. In restoration, all steel parts need to be taken back to bare metal or good paint, the best method depends on your facilities and the part. Before painting, everything must be degreased, and there are a variety of ways of doing this.

Hope this helps.

John

[The ho har's]

Looks like an excellent first project :) Others have answered your questions, keep them rolling in and we will give answers :)

Mrs hh:angel:

[SII Josh]

have you picked her up yet???

don't hold back on the photos JB :D

[JayBee75]

Ok, I'm back last night at 10:45pm 1500k round trip done in a day.

Picked up the car from Murray, very happy at the same time very nervous, alot of work to do!!!!

[JayBee75]

Ok so engine's not moving, i am hoping drop the oil, take off the sump spray some wd40 into cylinder heads etc and see if i can free her up.

Body needs alot of attention will post up photos as i go, particularity the rear tub, twisted metal and cracked and bent aluminum.

just going to start stripping her and see how it goes, at the moment i am thinking full mechanical, chasis electrics etc restore/refurbish and maybe go for the rustic look with the body panels, then maybe paint and panels later on in life....

[The ho har's]

I see missing the oil bath filter. Have you one?

Mrs hh:angel:

[JayBee75]

I see missing the oil bath filter. Have you one?

Mrs hh:angel:

Hi! Have the air filter but I assume you mean the filter for top of the Carby, no.

[The ho har's]

Hi! Have the air filter but I assume you mean the filter for top of the Carby, no.

The carby one is the Oil Bath Air filter, there is a tube, for want of a better word, that goes from the filter onto the top of the carby.

Mrs hh:angel:

[JayBee75]

1. There are no "upgrades" that are a must, but many will have a list of suggested upgrades. However, you will, as with any vehicle of this age, find a lot of things that you might want to change in doing this. Suggestions I would make.
It will have originally only have a driver's windscreen wiper - you are likely to find you now need a second one. You will probably want a windscreen washer. Depending on planned use, a heater if not already fitted. Change battery polarity to negative earth (may already be done). Fit seat belts.

A bit lower on priority - fit headlight relay. Fit alternator to replace generator. Fit antiburst door locks. Fit window locks (may already be fitted). LWB brakes , especially the wider front six cylinder brakes, are a worthwhile improvement. While discs can be fitted, unless you are rolling in money, this is an expensive modification. Fit reversing light. It is probably 7:1 compression, skimming the head to 8:1 is probably worthwhile for most users, especially if overhauling the head anyway. Depending on whether you want a technically accurate restoration or just something that works, you may want to upgrade some of the lights.

2. Tools. You need a set of Whitworth spanners as well as AF spanners. There may be a few metric replacement bolts, but thesewill cover almost everything. Probably want to get a hub nu spanner - these are not very expensive. Definitely need factory workshoop manual and parts book. (See "Shop" at the top of this page for CDs abd support the forum)

3. In restoration, all steel parts need to be taken back to bare metal or good paint, the best method depends on your facilities and the part. Before painting, everything must be degreased, and there are a variety of ways of doing this.

Hope this helps.

John

Awesome John Thanks

wiper yes need to do that, windscreen washer would have to investigate haven't seen this done (haven't thought of it!)
heater yes, seatbelts yep again haven't seen this done.

In relation to the following would like to better understand

fit headlight relay.
Fit alternator to replace generator. definately planned to do this, currently there is a dynamo?
Fit antiburst door locks - best place to get these?
. Fit window locks (may already be fitted). Rear yes, doors no.
LWB brakes , especially the wider front six cylinder brakes, are a worthwhile improvement.- will definitely look at this, is there something i can reference or parts kit that i can buy, again was not aware of this.

Thanks so much some great ideas i had not contemplated.

[JDNSW]

Awesome John Thanks

wiper yes need to do that, windscreen washer would have to investigate haven't seen this done (haven't thought of it!)
heater yes, seatbelts yep again haven't seen this done.

In relation to the following would like to better understand

fit headlight relay.

The headlights are supplied via the switch, which means there is a lot of wire between the battery and the lights, so a lot of voltage drop, especially if you fit more powerful lights. Fitting a relay and taking the feed straight from the battery can result in major lighting improvements. Either a kit from someone or some wire and a relay(s) from any auto parts place. But need to note that the headlight current will not then be going through the ammeter.

Fit alternator to replace generator. definately planned to do this, currently there is a dynamo?

You need to check what you actually have. originally it was a generator (Dynamo in the UK) but Series 3 changed to alternator, and the parts are bolt on).

Fit antiburst door locks - best place to get these?
. Fit window locks (may already be fitted). Rear yes, doors no.
LWB brakes , especially the wider front six cylinder brakes, are a worthwhile improvement.- will definitely look at this, is there something i can reference or parts kit that i can buy, again was not aware of this.

Thanks so much some great ideas i had not contemplated.

There is no kit for conversion to lwb brakes, you need to get parts. (You need a parts book to see what parts you will need)

Eastern suburbs of Melbourne, I take it is your location. I suggest a visit to Fred Smith Automotive in Bayswater or Four Wheel Drives (Four Wheel Drives Pty Ltd, Largest Range of 4x4 Parts and Accessories in Australia. (http://www.landrovers.com.au/)), now in Hallam. Either of these should be able to supply the parts you need, get them, or tell you where you can get them, and will also provide advice. There are a number of other suppliers who can help by mail order as well.

You are likely to find the second wiper motor difficult to source, at least for a genuine part, but a "wanted" in this forum is likely to get a response.

Hope this helps

John

[JayBee75]

Guys,

would like some recommendations of companies that are used to undertake various works as part of the series restoration.

Looking for things like radiator refurbishment, fuel tank repairs, gearbox/transfer refurbishment, galvanising, steering wheel refurbishment, etc or anything else that you have used.

would like to catalouge a list of these companies that i can call on.

Preference is in Melbourne.

any help appreciated!!

Thanks
JB

[JDNSW]

I can't really help with most of it - I do just about everything myself. Best suggesstion i can make is talk to Fred Smith - he will do a lot of it, although he is not cheap; but he is helpful and does good work.

John

[JayBee75]

Delivered 11-7-63 by Grenville Motors as a Truck Cab to J Wallace. The engine is the original.
J Wallace bought two from that batch, he could have been acting as an agent or dealer.

Hope that helps!

Just resurrected this old thread. Is there anyway to tell what the gearbox serial number should be against the engine and chassis numbers?

Thank you!!!

[mick88]

It has a Stromberg/Holden carburetor on it by the looks.


Cheers, Mick.

[UncleHo]

The Holden Carby was a common replacement for a worn throttle shaft on the Solex,parts were not always available for them,fit or replace the main jet in the Holden with a 49 main jet,as anything larger is just drowning the motor in fuel, and it will always run rich,you can get a new later model carby (Zenith 36IV) which was fitted to post 67 Landy's with 2.25litre motors,from the proprietor of www.advancediaphragmoptions (http://www.advancediaphragmoptions) in Qld, he also does replacement vacuum advance units.


Hope that is of help


cheers

[JayBee75]

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