Tyres - what are people using?

[Chris078]

So just looked at my tyres and found that all 4 running tyres are ancient.

They are olympic steel treks
Front right is dated 03-03:censored: front left 34-06

FL 34-07 and RL is 04-08

so they need to go. As far as I know, 10 years is pretty much the max age you should run a tyre, regardless of the tread condition which in my case is good.

Interestingly, the spare is a new 05-14 Desert Dueler. <edit> looks like it is a Mud & Snow model.


I'm looking at a A/T tyre really. I don't plan on doing any mudding, beach or rock climbing. Just some dusty tracks for the time being.

Anyone have any recommendations?

The rim code is AY88108 which I believe it tubed-only tyres.

<edit again> done some phoning around and have some additional questions,
what is the rim size? I know it's r16, but how wide are they?
are they split rims?


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[rar110]

The rims are likely to be standard tubed type 16x6 rims, not splits.

I replaced mine with 16x6.5 tubeless 130/wolf rims, and fitted GY Silent Armour ATs 235/85/16. They are quiet, carry heavy loads, have good sidewall strength and a good tread pattern for both traction on and off road work in the dry. They're good for on road traction in the wet, but ordinary in off road wet conditions as it's not a mud tyre.

[LandroverScott]

They'd be AYG8108 which is std perentie rim (tubed) the tyre currently used us 7.50 x 16 Michelin XZL.

6 years is Max tyre life, Army replace after this, Vic Police are starting to enforce this, tyre shops can't re fit /balance etc tyres older then 6 years

cheers

[BadCo.]

I'm with rar110 and have a set of wolf rims waiting until I can afford some 255/85 Bighorns.

Ditch those Perentie rims or keep them for show.

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[Chris078]

Yeah, I nearly had a heart attack when I realized how old they were.

As I am very poor at the moment, new rims are not an option.
I'll have to go with pretty much the cheapest option I can find.

I have a question regarding tyre sizes.
so on the current tyres they say 7.5 r16 lt which I think is the old way of doing tyre sizes. When searching, what would be the equivalent in the new writing?

[BadCo.]

I think mine are on the verge of the six year mark.

Do the math or find a tire size calculator online. Though people seem to go from 7.50 R16 to 235/85R16, close enough diameter but a little wider.

Can't comment on specific brands, but you might have trouble finding a tire suitable for running tubes? Not sure how common they are...

Someone else should be able to give more details anyway.

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[B.S.F.]

AYG 8108 are tubed 6" rims.

[PeteFox]

Trouble with using tubeless type tyres with tubes is that the tyres often have a pattern on the inside of the tyre which rubs holes in the tubes. Been there done that and got sick of fixing holes in the tube with no puncture. This is more likely at reduced pressures.
You've got a couple of options

Find some tube compatible tube type tyres ~ Michelin?

or run without tubes. The tyres will seal well on the rims it's just that you won't have the extra safety lip on the rim that is supposed to stop the tyre bead coming away from its seat in the event of sudden deflation. I ran a Landy this way for years without problems, but there may be legal issues.
Pete

[LandroverScott]

Michelin have XZL's on special, they are called 7.50 x 16. about $245 each but need to go to Michelin Truck dealer not a car dealer

cheers

[gromit]

They'd be AYG8108 which is std perentie rim (tubed) the tyre currently used us 7.50 x 16 Michelin XZL.

6 years is Max tyre life, Army replace after this, Vic Police are starting to enforce this, tyre shops can't re fit /balance etc tyres older then 6 years

cheers

Scott,

There's nothing in the VicRoads Roadworthiness Requirements (VSI 26) about tyre age. I can understand tyre shops not wanting to fit/balance old tyres partly because of safety issues and partly to generate sales.


Colin

[Chris078]

adding to this thread...

I've been told that Disco series 1 steel rims will fit on the Perentie hub.

Can anyone confirm that this is correct?
If so, what size are they? 16x6.5 or 16x7?

and if anyone has or knows anyone who has any they don't want, PM me! I need a full set of 5.

[BadCo.]

adding to this thread...

I've been told that Disco series 1 steel rims will fit on the Perentie hub.

Can anyone confirm that this is correct?
If so, what size are they? 16x6.5 or 16x7?

and if anyone has or knows anyone who has any they don't want, PM me! I need a full set of 5.

Confirmed.

16x7 +33 PCD 5x165 Easily found out with a quick google search.

Also they are pretty thin steel compared to wolf/130 rims.

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[Dervish]

Also they are pretty thin steel compared to wolf/130 rims.


I've never got the verniers out but they've always looked about the same to me. I suspect the major differences in strength would be due to the design and grade of steel. They are certainly both MUCH thicker than the usual aftermarket Sunraysias/modulars.

Personally I've never been keen on the look of them, but they are brilliant wheels for the money you can get them for.

[BadCo.]

When I buy some verniers I'll measure them, but they definitely felt thinner when I was cleaning them up getting them ready for new tires. (my spare is a disco steely because it was half the cost of a Wolf)

[Chris078]

Confirmed.

16x7 +33 PCD 5x165 Easily found out with a quick google search.

Also they are pretty thin steel compared to wolf/130 rims.

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Interesting. Phoning around today and Dynamic told me it's
16*7 5x165 but +20, not +33

got a price of 1630 for 5 rims and 5 235/85 r16 Hankook RF10s
just have to confirm that rim offset is correct:confused:

[BadCo.]

Interesting. Phoning around today and Dynamic told me it's
16*7 5x165 but +20, not +33

got a price of 1630 for 5 rims and 5 235/85 r16 Hankook RF10s
just have to confirm that rim offset is correct:confused:

+20 should still sit nicely behind the flairs

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[Outlaw]

I'm planning on getting a set of 255/85r16's on 16x8 -33 rims. Have some 33x12.5" however they require extended flares. Hoping the 255/85's will still sit flush or only require a lip extension.

[BadCo.]

I'm planning on getting a set of 255/85r16's on 16x8 -33 rims. Have some 33x12.5" however they require extended flares. Hoping the 255/85's will still sit flush or only require a lip extension.

Is there a reason you are using -33 rims?

[Outlaw]

Widen the track and I already have them [emoji38] Been running these rims with the bigger tyres on a defender and rrc now.

[BadCo.]

Widen the track and I already have them [emoji38] Been running these rims with the bigger tyres on a defender and rrc now.

I don't know for sure, but I'm willing to put on money them sitting outside the guards

[Outlaw]

Suspect the same but fingers crossed :D otherwise will need to find more dollars for new rims too

[BadCo.]

You need some 130 rims!

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/06/647.jpg

[Chris078]

Is there a reason you are using -33 rims?

wouldn't -33 narrow the track?

[Chris078]

You need some 130 rims!

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/06/647.jpg


I'd love to, but the bank manager says no.
The Dynamic rims have the same load rating, almost the same look (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=dynamic+d+wheels&biw=1440&bih=803&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=LnpxVdrMM4fg8gWQj4GwCA&ved=0CC4QsAQ) and are $100 a rim compared to the $180 odd the wolf rims go for.
And I'm hoping that 16x7 +20 with 265/85/r16 will not stick out from the guard and keep the same turning circle. (My tyre guy seems to think that will be the case)

[BadCo.]

wouldn't -33 narrow the track?

Nope. Negative offset pushes the rim out and positive offset pushes the rims in towards the car.






I'd love to, but the bank manager says no.
The Dynamic rims have the same load rating, almost the same look (https://www.google.com.au/search?q=dynamic+d+wheels&biw=1440&bih=803&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=LnpxVdrMM4fg8gWQj4GwCA&ved=0CC4QsAQ) and are $100 a rim compared to the $180 odd the wolf rims go for.
And I'm hoping that 16x7 +20 with 265/85/r16 will not stick out from the guard and keep the same turning circle. (My tyre guy seems to think that will be the case)

Pretty sure those dynamics are rated for 1400kg and the wolfs are 2250kg. But can't find where its printed.

Can you even get 265/85? I thought the widest with that ratio was 255.

Dunno what others think, but a zero offset would be more future proof.

Also wasn't 265/75R16 standard D90 fitment?

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[Chris078]

Nope. Negative offset pushes the rim out and positive offset pushes the rims in towards the car.







Pretty sure those dynamics are rated for 1400kg and the wolfs are 2250kg. But can't find where its printed.

Can you even get 265/85? I thought the widest with that ratio was 255.

Dunno what others think, but a zero offset would be more future proof.

Also wasn't 265/75R16 standard D90 fitment?

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it's late. 235/85 r16 is what I meant.

[BadCo.]

it's late. 235/85 r16 is what I meant.

Ah right, they will p!ss in.

What about second hand defender stealies?

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[Chris078]

Ah right, the will **** in.

does this mean you think they will fit?

What about second hand defender stealies?

Haven't been able to find any near me, and for what I have seen them sell for, I rather pay a bit more and get a set of brand new ones.

[BadCo.]

Ah right, the will **** in.

does this mean you think they will fit?

What about second hand defender stealies?

Haven't been able to find any near me, and for what I have seen them sell for, I rather pay a bit more and get a set of brand new ones.

They are the same diameter as your current wheels but a little wider.

235/85R16 is standard Defender fitment on +33 rims.

Well, if you don't want to buy Disco steelies, Defender steelies or Wolf rims I guess that leaves Range Rover rims and your bog standard Dynamic/Sunraysia.

Or just put new tires on your tubeless perentie rims.

[Chris078]

They are the same diameter as your current wheels but a little wider.

235/85R16 is standard Defender fitment on +33 rims.

Well, if you don't want to buy Disco steelies, Defender steelies or Wolf rims I guess that leaves Range Rover rims and your bog standard Dynamic/Sunraysia.

Or just put new tires on your tubeless perentie rims.


Thanks BadCo.
Sadly my bank account won't extend to getting genuine rims. The Dynamics seem to look ok, so i think that they will do.

Do the Defenders have different hubs to a 110? just wondering how that will work with a +33 offset and 235 wide tyres I would have thought that would result in either scrubbing or a increased turning circle.

Poking around the internet leaves me to believe that the stock Perentie rim is +33.
I'm trying to do the math; the new rim is 1" wider, but 8mm less inset. the 235 is 40mm wider than the 7.5, so in all it will end up about 25mm closer to the inside of the wheel arch. I think there is enough clearance in there that at full lock it won't scrub on things.

Just found (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/187830-perentie-tubeless-tyres-4.html)an old thread that seems to support that theory.

[BadCo.]

Thanks BadCo.
Sadly my bank account won't extend to getting genuine rims. The Dynamics seem to look ok, so i think that they will do.

Do the Defenders have different hubs to a 110? just wondering how that will work with a +33 offset and 235 wide tyres I would have thought that would result in either scrubbing or a increased turning circle.

Poking around the internet leaves me to believe that the stock Perentie rim is +33.
I'm trying to do the math; the new rim is 1" wider, but 8mm less inset. the 235 is 40mm wider than the 7.5, so in all it will end up about 25mm closer to the inside of the wheel arch. I think there is enough clearance in there that at full lock it won't scrub on things.

Just found (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-chatter/187830-perentie-tubeless-tyres-4.html)an old thread that seems to support that theory.

I was implying second hand rims, you Aussies have a good second parts market with land rovers. I struggle here in nz. Are you on the aulro Facebook page? Maybe put up a wanted ad?

I'm not a series person, so can't speak for them, but the early 80's 110s through to the latest defender have the same stud pattern.

Remember, its been repeated a few times by others, your Perentie is essentially a County. Those tires will fit. You are basically putting factory size tires on factory sized rims.

Also I calcuted a 9.25mm difference, instead of your 25mm. There must be a offset calculator somewhere haha.

I'm so tired, this reply took me so long to write haha.

[wpalmo]

You need some 130 rims!

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/06/647.jpg

What size are those BFG's? I have a set of Wolf wheels and am about to purchase some new tyres. I have done a bit of research but there is a lot of different opinions on what size tyres can be run on these rims. Are you happy with the BFG's? love to hear any feedback. By the way I think your setup looks damm fine!

Regards Warrick.

[BadCo.]

Hey Warrick, the BFGs are 255/85. So far the tires are great, no complaints. On road I can't hear them over the Isuzu.

I took the truck out to a 4wd park the weekend after I got them and never noticed any rubbing on the spring perches or anything.

Here is the obligatory flex shot, they tuck in nicely.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/06/600.jpg

Also the tall and skinny look goes well with the Land Rover.

[DiscoMick]

Yeah, I nearly had a heart attack when I realized how old they were.

As I am very poor at the moment, new rims are not an option.
I'll have to go with pretty much the cheapest option I can find.

I have a question regarding tyre sizes.
so on the current tyres they say 7.5 r16 lt which I think is the old way of doing tyre sizes. When searching, what would be the equivalent in the new writing?

Hankook Dynapro ATs were good value for money last time I priced them. I'll probably put some on my camper trailer fairly soon, as they should do the job OK.

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[wpalmo]

Hey Warrick, the BFGs are 255/85. So far the tires are great, no complaints. On road I can't hear them over the Isuzu.

I took the truck out to a 4wd park the weekend after I got them and never noticed any rubbing on the spring perches or anything.

Here is the obligatory flex shot, they tuck in nicely.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/06/600.jpg

Also the tall and skinny look goes well with the Land Rover.

Thanks for the information BadCo. I spoke to my tyre dealer yesterday and he told me that the BFG KM2's are awesome tyres but the 255/85/16's may be hard to get outside of city areas as they are an uncommon size. Has anyone had problems sourcing these tyres in remote areas? i am planning a few trips through the Pilbra in the next couple of months and while I am taking 3 spares I still am not wanting to be stuck in a town like Carnarvon waiting for tyres to be sent from Perth. Any advice would be appreciated.

Regards Warrick.

[paulak]

Gday Warrick, Whats wrong with Carnarvon?:)
Yes the 255s are rare and you probably wont find them in many places.
If they are in stock in Perth they can be freighted nearly overnight.
I have 4 i can freight if you get stranded.
Paul.

[wpalmo]

Gday Warrick, Whats wrong with Carnarvon?:)
Yes the 255s are rare and you probably wont find them in many places.
If they are in stock in Perth they can be freighted nearly overnight.
I have 4 i can freight if you get stranded.
Paul.

No offence to Carnarvonites intended Paul. I could of said Broome or Halls Creek. Just wanted to know how easy it is to find 255/85/16's before I invest my hard earned as well as my faith in the supply of replacement tyres. I see that you are from Wyalkatchem. Funny name, great place!
Thanks for the offer of 4 replacement tyres though. Are you in the tyre business?
Regards Warrick.

[paulak]

Gday Warrick. Yes, in the tyre business.
Last time i ran out of KM2s i had to buy Bighorns.
Not happy and not happening again.
Paul.

[isuzutoo-eh]

Gday Warrick. Yes, in the tyre business.
Last time i ran out of KM2s i had to buy Bighorns.
Not happy and not happening again.
Paul.

You won't be happy if rumours are true though, apparently BFG are discontinuing the 255/85/16 size as well as a couple of close sizes in the 15" rim department.

[BadCo.]

You won't be happy if rumours are true though, apparently BFG are discontinuing the 255/85/16 size as well as a couple of close sizes in the 15" rim department.

Apparently. Unconfirmed speculation, currently.

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[paulak]

Oh dear, i might have to get more now.

[jet]

Did a birdsville trip in the perentie tires michy,s 8 years old good condition got one hole in the front right from a screw so i put on a new olympic lol it lasted about 300 km on those rough roads the old michys still going strong after repairing the screw hole never lt me down i know there 8 years old in great nick i have had better travels out of them than new tires.There made in France not china may have something to do with it.My tire guy said there a great lasting tough as nails no b/s tire.