Some suppliers, don't bother

[nedflanders]

So after ordering a radiator in March I was told it would be despatched before April, then mid April, then late April, then definitely May 4th and now it's going to be a further 6-8 weeks, absolute joke. I was really hoping the service would be good after all the hype but they just can't deliver.
Does anyone else produce an uprated Radiator for the TD5 that can actually make one rather than constant excuses.

[Jeff]

I have a Fenix radiator in my TDi, they make them for TD5s as well. About $300 and I had it in two days. They are a New Zealand company but with that price I would guess it is made somewhere else, but is good quality.

Radiator | LANDROVER | Defender | Fenix Radiators (http://www.fenixradiators.com.au/radiator-landrover-defender-fenix-radiators-2)

Jeff

:rocket:

[rick130]

PWR I'm sure make one.

They make their own cores here too, better than anything that comes out of the UK.

[nedflanders]

Just to be clear its ******** as my thread title was changed. I have all the emails with there excuses so in no way am I being slanderous, if I cant warn other people about shocking service from a particular supplier its a sorry state of affairs.

[nedflanders]

Wtf is the reason for editing my thread?

[p38arover]

No, you can't. The forum has a clear policy about naming and shaming. Go and read this: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/trailers-vans-campers/155289-gic-camper-trailers-2.html#post1963597

[Pacemaker]

I too got a full alloy radiator from Fenix. I fitted it to my previous 110 300tdi. It arrived next day, looked great and did a good job of keeping the engine cool. I was very impressed. From memory it was $280 delivered.

Cheers
Michael.

[Tombie]

Factory radiators do a great job up to 200kw, in the heat of summer, towing...


Why people insist on "upgrading" something more than suited to the task - usually at large expense - has my puzzled.

A factory radiator is a couple of hundred dollars and with proper servicing (which they all need) will go 10+ years without failure.

[gusthedog]

Factory radiators do a great job up to 200kw, in the heat of summer, towing...


Why people insist on "upgrading" something more than suited to the task - usually at large expense - has my puzzled.

A factory radiator is a couple of hundred dollars and with proper servicing (which they all need) will go 10+ years without failure.

Wouldn't the factory radiator be dearer than a performance replacement one though? And any added cooling can't be bad.

[Toxic_Avenger]

Factory radiators do a great job up to 200kw, in the heat of summer, towing...


Why people insist on "upgrading" something more than suited to the task - usually at large expense - has my puzzled.

A factory radiator is a couple of hundred dollars and with proper servicing (which they all need) will go 10+ years without failure.


Wouldn't the factory radiator be dearer than a performance replacement one though? And any added cooling can't be bad.

The thing I always ask myself is "Do I know more than the collective 100 engineers that designed this automotive system (at the expense of millions of dollars, and years of )???"

OE is the only way to fly for some components. Other's (puma turbo hose, lol) are probably better aftermarket!

Radiators for example work on pressure differential. You put a 50mm core on a radiator and it's 3 times more resistance to airflow actually going thru the core and dissipating engine heat.

[Landybitz]

Theres no way you would get a Genuine Factory Radiator for $200, even the Bluebox Ones cost more than that....

[Tombie]

I purchased one for the D2 when I hit the Roo for $197.00

Even now the aftermarket versions are far more expensive than a genuine...

[The ho har's]

We have a local that does all ours. Yes the 101, series III and sundry others we are asked to supply. Does an excellent job. We don't question the price as his is often cheaper than ordinal. Except for the 101 $800.00 :o:)

Mrs hh:angel:

[Landybitz]

80% of Land Rover Buyers ask for The Blue Box Ones, some will wonder why its so cheap when it fails after 6 months..

[rangietragic]

We have a local that does all ours. Yes the 101, series III and sundry others we are asked to supply. Does an excellent job. We don't question the price as his is often cheaper than ordinal. Except for the 101 $800.00 :o:)

Mrs hh:angel:
V8 stage ones,cost?

[PAT303]

Factory radiators do a great job up to 200kw, in the heat of summer, towing...


Why people insist on "upgrading" something more than suited to the task - usually at large expense - has my puzzled.

A factory radiator is a couple of hundred dollars and with proper servicing (which they all need) will go 10+ years without failure.

Give up Tombie,my LR's have survived the harshest summers Oz can provide but people still carry on about the rads being too small,I don't bother anymore. Pat

[nedflanders]

Reason for the upgrade is 30% power increase with some mods, power =heat and I want to dissipate it. Will give PWR a call tomorrow. Thanks for the help.

[Eevo]

bigger is better :D


questions;

is the stock rad/intercooler/cooler still suitable with the mods im adding?

is there an aftermarket item that i somehow better than the stock item?

[nedflanders]

It does seem strange that the argument about 'manufacturers spend millions developing a car, you don't need a bigger radiator/brakes/suspension' etc etc.
A vehicle is developed to do the intended job but at a set price, everyone knows better materials, workmanship is available but who wants to spend double the cost.
If you believe manufacturers have developed a vehicle that is perfect for a reasonable cost please let me know and I'll buy one :)

[Tombie]

Reason for the upgrade is 30% power increase with some mods, power =heat and I want to dissipate it. Will give PWR a call tomorrow. Thanks for the help.


And you're of the presumption that the standard unit doesn't adequately have the capacity to shed this heat load?

Have you done the airflow calculations for the cores?
Thermal efficiency modeling?

Can you be certain that your new core won't actually increase air flow resistance and therefore efficiency is lost or worse?

Or that the core is now over cooling and engine temps are borderline as thermostat and coolant flow behavior have changed.

Power = heat.. Sometimes. Load = Heat is more appropriate.


But where is that heat? In the exhaust? The intake charge?



It's good that you are considering these factors - what you may not be considering (common) is whether the vehicle is in part or whole already capable of handling the upgrades proposed.

Keep in mind these cooling systems are tested at full tow loading, fully laden, in arduous conditions in 45+ heat for hours & days on end.

Your upgrades will have more impact on EGT than block temperatures, and the radiator in the TDCi is the same as the TD5 unit which can more than happily handle desert heat, 33s, 200kw and tow a 2600kg boat and trailer.

Enjoy your vehicle - if modifying is your thing - go for it..
I know I enjoy playing with the Landies...

[Tombie]

With your radiator...

Are you planning fine fin or course fin?

[Tombie]

To be fair though - I must say PWR and Allisport make quality gear...

[Homestar]

It does seem strange that the argument about 'manufacturers spend millions developing a car, you don't need a bigger radiator/brakes/suspension' etc etc.
A vehicle is developed to do the intended job but at a set price, everyone knows better materials, workmanship is available but who wants to spend double the cost.
If you believe manufacturers have developed a vehicle that is perfect for a reasonable cost please let me know and I'll buy one :)

V8 VR Commodore... The pinnacle of automotive engineering at a bargain price... :angel::wasntme:

[Dopey]

V8 VR Commodore... The panicle of automotive engineering at a bargain price... :angel::wasntme:

Might be a panicle.... Definitely not the pinnacle though.....

panicle - definition of panicle by The Free Dictionary (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/panicle)

My idea of good automotive engineering for a reasonable price is the likes of;

Early model Volkswagens,
Standard Vanguards (so much better than anything else around at the time),
Some models of Hillman/rootes group vehicles,
2CV **** and groans (Citroens),
And Triumph 2,3,&3a's (so much better and more advanced than the MG competition at the time),
And BMW R65's.... Maybe not reasonably priced at the time when they where new, but now......

Mike.

[Homestar]

Might be a panicle.... Definitely not the pinnacle though.....

panicle - definition of panicle by The Free Dictionary (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/panicle)

My idea of good engineering for a reasonable price is the like of;

Early model Volkswagens,
Standard Vanguards (so much better than anything else around at the time),
Some models of Hillman/rootes group vehicles,
2CV **** and groans (Citroens),
And Triumph 2,3,&3a's (so much better and more advanced than the MG competition at the time),
And BMW R65's.... Maybe not reasonably priced at the time when they where new, but now......

Mike.

:D. Bloody auto correct...

[Toxic_Avenger]

I've heard that the Bugatti Veyron has not reached their break even point - their R&D and manufacturing costs have not been exceeded by their sales.

Even though it's millions compared to hundreds, that vehicle is the epitome of a 'no holds barred' design for a performance vehicle. No costs were spared for the end outcome. But it's still ugly as sin.

[Mick_Marsh]

V8 VR Commodore... The pinnacle of automotive engineering at a bargain price... :angel::wasntme:
Absolutely!
I know where there is a really nice one the owner wants to sell.
I'm thinking about it.
A great vehicle for a few thousand dollars.

[clubagreenie]

There's a balance point with flow across the cooler, more resistance means that the air stays longer and can absorb more heat but of course needs to be balanced with actually removing the heat. Plus there's the A/c condenser in front and the oil coolers which do a good job slowing down flow as it is.

[nedflanders]

And you're of the presumption that the standard unit doesn't adequately have the capacity to shed this heat load?

Have you done the airflow calculations for the cores?
Thermal efficiency modeling?

Can you be certain that your new core won't actually increase air flow resistance and therefore efficiency is lost or worse?

Or that the core is now over cooling and engine temps are borderline as thermostat and coolant flow behavior have changed.

Power = heat.. Sometimes. Load = Heat is more appropriate.


But where is that heat? In the exhaust? The intake charge?



It's good that you are considering these factors - what you may not be considering (common) is whether the vehicle is in part or whole already capable of handling the upgrades proposed.

Keep in mind these cooling systems are tested at full tow loading, fully laden, in arduous conditions in 45+ heat for hours & days on end.

Your upgrades will have more impact on EGT than block temperatures, and the radiator in the TDCi is the same as the TD5 unit which can more than happily handle desert heat, 33s, 200kw and tow a 2600kg boat and trailer.

Enjoy your vehicle - if modifying is your thing - go for it..
I know I enjoy playing with the Landies...

The TDCi is a different engine, the radiator is a compromise to fit in available space though as the Puma Engine in the BT50 has a much larger surface area, not sure about capacity though. It may well be up to the task with the mods I've got but I decided it was time for a complete cooling system overhaul, purely for reliability. I didn't want to get the old radiator rodded so thought enough people are running these larger ally radiators with no problems so why not upgrade. Like I said Land Rovers are built to a cost as are all cars, I've always tried to fit better if i can.

As for the Commodore, I work in a dealership and whenever we are unfortunate enough to get one in for servicing the mechanics run a mile :)