Cordless Impact Wrench? what to get?

[LandyAndy]

Any of you guys use these???
If so can you reccomend specific models???
Im looking at buying one for changing my grader blades,the spanner twirler at work tells me his Hitachi is good.
Not interested in cheapo chinese crap.
It MUST come in under $300,as you cannot write it off in one go with a tax deduction.Anything over $300 per item must be depreciated.
I guess this is why there are so many "naked" versions on EBAY,ie tool only buy the charger/battery seperate.
I realise I will need to crack the bolts with a breaker bar,unfortunately the air tank on the grader isnt up to running an air rattle gun as I have one.
Andrew

[TimNZ]

So far very happy with my Ryobi one. I know they are on the cheaper end of the scale, but it's put up with 12 months of abuse so far.

Cheers,

Tim

[pop058]

I use a couple of Snap-On 18v ones building (big) sheds. Have flogged them 5 days a week for about 4-5 years now and still going strong. The $300 budget blows that idea out of the water as even a "skin" is >500.

[turps]

Which ever brand you go for, check the torque ratings. As on some of the 1/2 impact guns I looked at the torque ranged from 200nm up to 600nm depending on the model. Dewalt do two that look the same from pictures but there is 200nm of torque difference.

The Wurth(Milwaukee made) look real nice.

[loanrangie]

Been using my BIL's makita 18V rattler working on his truck today , great bit of kit not sure of the price though.

[langy]

I recently upgraded my cordless drill and splurged and did the combo kit - the makita BTW251 1/2 inch impact driver - it does 170 ft/lbs, and I've found that it makes a R380 gearbox swap tolerable. It's compact enough to fit in tight spaces and does all the gearbox fittings.

That should give everyone a fair idea on how it is.

For changing grader blades, the BTW450 ( 325 ft/lbs) is probably what you need. You could even get a torque multipler and forget the breaker bar.
I almost got one, but it is the size of a normal electric drill and the I don't need the extra torque.

[Homestar]

I use a couple of Snap-On 18v ones building (big) sheds. Have flogged them 5 days a week for about 4-5 years now and still going strong. The $300 budget blows that idea out of the water as even a "skin" is >500.

X2 - my Snap-On 1/2" gun is one of the best things I have ever bought - I've had mine for a few years, and although I don't use it every day now, it has copped a fair flogging at times. Couldn't be happier. As mentioned, blows the $300 budget, but you get what you pay for. Mine runs rings around my mates Hitachi for pure grunt, and battery life.

[LandyAndy]

Keep the comments coming guys.
Model numbers will be good as Fleabay varies HEAPS in similar looking tools,and many dont post the nm value,makes it hard to compare.
If I HAVE to do the depreciation method I will go with it for a better tool.
Andrew

[Jock The Rock]

I have a Makita myself

All the fellas at work have the Snap-On, no doubt they are just as good

I prefer the Makita because of the rocker switch, no need to flick a lever to change directions

And also the fact that Makita make so many cordless tools that take the same battery (I have 1/2 rattler, angle grinder, cordless drill, 1/4 rattler and worklight all using the same style of battery)

You either get the rattler or cordless drill in Snap-On

I wouldn't touch a Milwaukee, I've seen a few with the 1/2 anvil cracked off

Get a skin then buy the batteries and charger seperate. Or get one of these
New Makita 7.2V-18V Automotive Charger-DC18SE 12V Plug | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Makita-7-2V-18V-Automotive-Charger-DC18SE-12V-Plug-/270729777521?pt=AU_Tool_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f08c09171)

And charge your batteries on the go (I'm assuming that although your grader would be 24V is has a 12v socket in the cab?)

[mark_coffey]

I have used the dewalt 18volt unit for 3 years assembling cable trays and stripping landrovers, brilliant.
I would definately stay away from Hitatchi, spent plenty of time replacing motors and gearboxes in the last year and a bit, they dont like dust at all.
Have filled the dewalt with plenty of iron ore, has survived 4 apprentices aswell!

[3 Lions]

I have a 14.4v Makita ratlegun with the old NiCD batteries.I bought it when it was a new model about 5/6 years ago. It has more than earned its keep, for 4 years or so it was used 6 days a week in shopfitting and on construction sites in general. It is still going strong although the batteries are a bit tired these days and don't hold there charge as long. I now use it a couple of times a week at home.It originally cost me $459.

Some time ago I had a go on my mates new 18v Makita rattle gun. His is lighter than mine and has the Black Lithium batteries, it had some torque....
Brilliant!!! I was highly Impressed, I will be getting one in the near future.
And the best part......:D
They can be bought for $250-$300.

Col.

[V8Ian]

Get the Shire to pay for it Andy, you could also ask the mob you got the log splitter from, if they sell them. ;):D:D

[460cixy]

Over the budget but I love my snapon it would be two years old now and three of us ute it all day in the workshop it's showing no sign of failing but expensive

[LandyAndy]

Get the Shire to pay for it Andy, you could also ask the mob you got the log splitter from, if they sell them. ;):D:D

I doubt they would and then it may walk as stuff has in the past.
I dont mind buying my OWN tools then writing it off to tax,always have it sitting in MY shed when I need it ;);););)
Andrew

[dmdigital]

Used my Kincrome on the old Defender today. Had it for several years now.

[d2dave]

I use 18 volt Makita. Although it is good I reckon there is better. Hitachi is one. I chose Makita because they have the largest range of 18 volt tools.

Andy as for the $300 limit, this was raised to $ $1,000 a few years ago(thank goodness, as there is not much in my business that is under $300)

[weeds]

i was given a snap on gods knows how many years ago.....to my surprise the batteries have held up as i only charge them once in a blue moon.....

[d2dave]

Just got home from getting an RWC on the Disco. The workshop was using an Hitachi 18 volt job instead of air guns.

[blue_mini]

I had a dewalt with Ni-Cd batteries and was very impressed. Recently upgraded to a bosch and its fantastic. Lighter, better battery life, nicer to use and has a slow start up which is handy for screws and smaller stuff. I would definitely reccommend them. Can get a free 2.6 Ah battery atm as well.
If its bigger stuff then look for an impact wrench instead of an impact driver. They have a lot more grunt but the weight increase is massive.

If cost is big then go for the ryobi 18v impact driver and drill driver combo at bunnings. Very underrated for what you get with it. Its the most powerful impact driver bunnings sell off the shelf. (I do work in the tool shop bunnings and test all the new tools that come in and regularly grill the reps on why their products have certain features)

Other thing to consider is what tools accept different size Ah batteries, eg makita high draw tools will only take their big batteries.

[Dusty1111]

New model hitachi brushless tools are out. Time will tell if they're as good as the old models but they are lighter and more powerful with higher capacity (4ah) batteries that are the same size and weight. Nearly every HD mech in mining uses Hitachi an I've never come across to many that fail with atrocious conditions and abuse ( oil soaking/dunking, dust, dropped from heights).

[LandyAndy]

The kit our spanner spinner has is the Hitachi WR18DL.
He swears by it,cost him close to $800 a few years back,can buy the same kit delivered from an Aussie seller on Ebay for $429.00 :cool::cool::cool::cool:,extra matching tools are in the $120 to $150 delivered:cool::cool::cool::cool:. He has only had 1 battery failure due to a forklift running it over;););););)
When he throws his gear in the ute for a field fix I see its always the first thing he grabs.
Will look into the new model before I buy.
Cheers
Andrew

[d2dave]

Andrew. When you finally purchase let us know what you get and a report after some use, performance battery life etc.

[BMKal]

Hi Andrew. We use the Hitachi up on site in the crushing plant - have 4 of them. Have just been up there for a month on a mojor upgrade to the plant, and these things were being used everywhere during construction and for maintenance on the original plant. The blokes on site swear by them.

One of the contractors we had on site had his own Milwaukee which was also a very grunty bit of gear. He says he wouldn't use anything else, and as he buys his tools with his own money, I suppose that's a pretty good recommendation.

Similarly, my young bloke who is a diesel fitter swears by the Snap On. He recently had one run over by a bogger or something underground. Snap On supplied him a new outer case for nothing and he simply swapped the internals over into the new case and it's as good as new.

[LandyAndy]

Andrew. When you finally purchase let us know what you get and a report after some use, performance battery life etc.

Certainly will Dave.
The grader has a 14 foot blate and the bolts are about 3" apart,so lots of them.
If I havent got one when I next change blades our spanner twirler says I can borrow his and gaurantees I will buy.
Andrew

[pop058]

Certainly will Dave.
The grader has a 14 foot blate and the bolts are about 3" apart,so lots of them.
If I havent got one when I next change blades our spanner twirler says I can borrow his and gaurantees I will buy.
Andrew

Andrew,

what size bolts and torque figures are we talking about ??

[LandyAndy]

You may have me there.
The new CAT has larger bolts than the other Volvo grader,5/8 I think???.
The spaner man says I will need to crack them with the breaker bar.Once loose it you still fight them all the way to the end due to dirt on the threads and thread damage.He is ex mining and has changed heaps of cutting edges,and says it will do it.
Just looked up the new model,around $550 delivered with a bonus 3rd battery,they say 250NM Tourque,his book of words for the older model is 200nm.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

I would be pretty happy with this kit.
SYDNEY TOOLS - Hitachi 18V Li-lon Cordless 2pc Combo Kit Hammer Drill Driver Impact Wrench (http://www.sydneytools.com.au/shopexd.asp?id=16042&bc=no)
Andrew

[Nathan]

The tyre guy I go to said he's tried all the big brands. He now swears by the Milwawkee 18V- says it's the only one that will crack the really tight nuts - it's now all they use, don't bother with the air guns anymore.

[d2dave]

I would be pretty happy with this kit.
SYDNEY TOOLS - Hitachi 18V Li-lon Cordless 2pc Combo Kit Hammer Drill Driver Impact Wrench (http://www.sydneytools.com.au/shopexd.asp?id=16042&bc=no)
Andrew
Four amp hour batteries is very impressive. Also having a battery indicator is very handy. To get the best life out of your batteries this is worth a read.

How to Prolong Lithium-based Batteries - Battery University (http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries)

[turps]

The tyre guy I go to said he's tried all the big brands. He now swears by the Milwawkee 18V- says it's the only one that will crack the really tight nuts - it's now all they use, don't bother with the air guns anymore.

Pretty sure the 1/2" milwaukee has 640nm of torque.
That's enough to snap most bolts. A commodore wheel nut is 130nm or similar.

[OneGoat]

Hey Andrew,

I use the Bosch HTH181-01 18V. It has 500 ft lb or 677 nm of torque. Had it for about 2 years and use it up north for concrete bolts and shed builds.
All our 1/4" rattlers are bosch too and they all cop some pretty severe treatment.

We ran Makitas but now all our cordless gear is pretty much Bosch.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Andy you may be better using a mobile oxy set to blow the old bolts off,,
in fact, you may not be able to undo the old bolts depending on wear,
much easier on the new gun just doing them up,,

[LandyAndy]

Andy you may be better using a mobile oxy set to blow the old bolts off,,
in fact, you may not be able to undo the old bolts depending on wear,
much easier on the new gun just doing them up,,

They get re-used until unsercvicable Pedro;););););)
30 of the mongrel things:mad::mad::mad::mad:
OXY is only a last chance option,fairly dangerous as they can explode and shoot off when oxy cut,not good in a dry paddock or roadside;);)
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/09/925.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/09/926.jpg

Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Hey Andrew,

I use the Bosch HTH181-01 18V. It has 500 ft lb or 677 nm of torque. Had it for about 2 years and use it up north for concrete bolts and shed builds.
All our 1/4" rattlers are bosch too and they all cop some pretty severe treatment.

We ran Makitas but now all our cordless gear is pretty much Bosch.







Will look that one up,sounds more than strong enough.
Andrew

[mick88]

Last week I purchased an 18 volt Hitachi (1/2" drive) rattle gun skin (bare without battery) as I already have a couple of their cordless drills with Lith Ion 4 AH batteries.
I rang around and the price varied from $203 to over $300.
They also have a model with a brushless motor available now, however the price is higher.
Bunnings have the Ryobi skins out for $219, 1/2" drive 260 nm.

Cheers, Mick.

[Vern]

Just bought the Milwaukee 18v one, 610nm, will let you know how it goes when it turns up. Bought it as a bare tool as I already have batteries, $206 brand new delivered:)

[LandyAndy]

Vern/OneGoat.
These Hi-torque rattleguns,would be way overkill for general work wouldnt they????
Perfect for my grader bolts but not a huge more usefull to me.
I cab get the Bosch with 2 3AH batteries/charger/carrycase for $730 delivered.$200 more to include a hammer drill.
Im wondering if Im better getting the Hitachi Brushless impact wrench(250nm) with a brushless hammerdrill for $649 delivered.More usable at home;););)
Thoughts please.
Andrew

[mick88]

Some of them have that much torque you will not only be able to change the bolts on the blade, but turn the grader engine over if the battery is flat!


Cheers, Mick.

[OneGoat]

[QUOTE=LandyAndy;1761041]Vern/OneGoat.
These Hi-torque rattleguns,would be way overkill for general work wouldnt they????

The Bosch has a variable speed trigger just like a cordless drill, makes it a bit more versatile.
Makes wheel changes real quick and using it as a spare engine for the Disco, I reckon a battery could get me about 100 metres up the road....

[LandyAndy]

[QUOTE=LandyAndy;1761041]Vern/OneGoat.
These Hi-torque rattleguns,would be way overkill for general work wouldnt they????

The Bosch has a variable speed trigger just like a cordless drill, makes it a bit more versatile.
Makes wheel changes real quick and using it as a spare engine for the Disco, I reckon a battery could get me about 100 metres up the road....


EXACTLY what I needed to hear,BOSCH it will be:cool::cool::cool::cool:.
Chatted to our spanner man today.
He has Hitachi,he said that the high outputs would only be usefull on small jobs if it was VAIRIABLE SPEED.
CHEERS
Andrew

[OneGoat]

No worries Andrew.
Good luck with the scraper.

Cheers
Ben

[LandyAndy]

Hi Guys.
I have been saving my pennies and collect my new toys on saturday morning.
Ended up buying 18V Bosch gear.
Got the top spec cordless hammer drill with 3x3ah batteries and carry case as a kit and the 650nm rattlegun as a skin.
Sydney tools were the cheapest on the net,Toolmart at Kelmscott matched them.Simon there is a great bloke to deal with,visited 3 Toolmart stores and will NEVER visit the other 2 again:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Picking them up saturday morning:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:: cool:
Grader blades will JUST last to friday if Im gentle;);););) will let you know how the rattlegun performs.
Andrew

[d2dave]

Sounds like some good kit there. Can we have some pics when you get it?

[pop058]

Sounds like some good kit there. Can we have some pics when you get it?

Great idea for a tech tool thread :D

[camel_landy]

FWIW - I'm another one using a Snap-On... Cracking bit of kit.

M

[LandyAndy]

Sounds like some good kit there. Can we have some pics when you get it?
Will do.Andrew

[djam1]

Had 3 x Bosch units in the workshop they all failed

[LandyAndy]

I picked my rattlegun up yesterday.
Had a little play with it to see how it went.
With the factory charge,2/3rds according to the leds,it blitzed the grader blade bolts,even ones that had never been undone.
Then I grabed the wheel bolt socket and had a go,rattle,rattle,rattle and bingo did it and wasnt loosing any punch:cool::cool::cool::cool:
Tommorow Im swapping cutting edges so I will get some pics.
Andrew

[uninformed]

FWIW:

the likes of Makita, Hitachi, dewalt, milwaukee, and bosch are all pretty on par. Makita use to do gearboxes on the cordless pretty commonly. If you are comparing brands, make sure you are comparing brush or brushless and amp hr..

Panasonic has been brushless for years.

Snap-on and others may get stuff made for them

There are only a few, I mean litterally a few battery cell manufactures world wide, panasonic is one of them. Hiltl has contracted them to partner their new tools of late...very nice 22v gear, $$$ but you get good gear and hilti's customer service.


I have run and abused Bosch, hitachi, panasonic and hilti. Mates have done same with Makita, dewalt etc

I generally put to high use cordless: drills, impact drivers and resiprocating saws. (read every day) second to that is impact wrench and my 36v Hilti concrete drill.

I feel my hitachi gear to be 15% better than my bosch gear (note: bosch and hitachi are now next gen.)

all in all, batteries seem to die before the tool. I recommend reading the manufactures instruction regarding charging/use etc of battery and follow it carefully

BTW, AEG is now owned by Milwaukee, it is now a home owner range....shame, back in the day AEG was full industrial.

[LandyAndy]

I used the rattlegun today,most impressed.
The old way and the new way.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/11/565.jpg

Nuts removed within 5mins,all 30 of them,unwound the damaged thread ones easily too.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/11/566.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/11/567.jpg

Then after I fitted the new blades I tackled a wheel nut to see if it was still up to pain.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/11/568.jpg

Not a problem,did it back up too.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2012/11/569.jpg

Havent used the drill as yet.
Andrew

[uninformed]

now you need the Bosch radio :D

[LandyAndy]

now you need the Bosch radio :D

Reckon I will get the smaller impact wrench next,it is both 1/2'' drive and hex drive.
Andrew

[uninformed]

Bosch use to do two different individual tools in the smaller size. One an impact driver, the other a 1/2" impact wrench. Both had slightly different torque ratings. Not sure but are Bosch now doing one tool that does both?

[blue_mini]

Go for the 1/4" impact driver, great bit of kit. Small and lightweight to do most jobs you'd need. Easier to get the screwdriver bits for it as well.

[LandyAndy]

Bosch use to do two different individual tools in the smaller size. One an impact driver, the other a 1/2" impact wrench. Both had slightly different torque ratings. Not sure but are Bosch now doing one tool that does both?

Yep,has 2 tourque ratings,120nm and 180nm if I recall.
Andrew

[edddo]

Anyone have experience of these?

eBay Australia: Buy new & used fashion, electronics & home d (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200623400713'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)

Seem to be reasonable value and decent max torque

[d2dave]

Andy. The last pics in post number 50, the socket looks very much like an old made in Australia Sidchrome. Am I right?

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Nice gun Andy,,

before you buy anything else,,
buy another impact socket,,
that nice shiny 12-pointer WILL crack/break;)

[LandyAndy]

Andy. The last pics in post number 50, the socket looks very much like an old made in Australia Sidchrome. Am I right?

No,its almost a year old;););)
KC Tools.Its the other half of the Kinchrome family.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Nice gun Andy,,

before you buy anything else,,
buy another impact socket,,
that nice shiny 12-pointer WILL crack/break;)

Its not mine:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
It belongs to the shire,same with the long impact bit.
Will get one next time Im in the toolshop with the bosses order book;);););)
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Anyone have experience of these?

eBay Australia: Buy new & used fashion, electronics & home d (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200623400713'ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649)

Seem to be reasonable value and decent max torque

Only 260nm from 24V and the battery is Nicad.Mine is 650nm from 18V.
Would steer clear myself.
Price is good IF it lasts.
Andrew

[d2dave]

Only 260nm from 24V and the battery is Nicad.Mine is 650nm from 18V.
Would steer clear myself.
Price is good IF it lasts.
Andrew

I am surprised that any thing is still made with Nicad batteries. I would have thought it would at least have NiMh.

Personally, after now owning and using power tools with lithium batteries, I would use nothing else, until something better is invented.

[LandyAndy]

Used the rattlegun to change a flat tyre on the multi-tyre roller today.
Was the same battery my boy used to rotate the tyres on his XR6 on the weekend.
It handled the job with ease,still had 2 of 3 lights left after the job.
Andrew

[uninformed]

I am surprised that any thing is still made with Nicad batteries. I would have thought it would at least have NiMh.

Personally, after now owning and using power tools with lithium batteries, I would use nothing else, until something better is invented.

up untill recently Paslode nail guns were/still are using 6v Ni-cad batteries. Nothing wrong with them in the right applictaion. NiMh was the buzz when it came out, but there was a reason companies like Festool didnt jump on board....I was never really impressed with the so called gains ovf NiMh over Ni-cad.

Yes L-ion batteries are a definite improvement. Ive just upgraded to Hilti 22v gear so will be interested to see how much better it is over my Hitachi 18v L-ion

Id be interested to know where Bosch and others measure their torque for their impact wrenchs.

Andy, any idea of the rpm etc of the Bosch?

[Grimace]

id be interested to know why AEG don't make an impact wrench!
I started collecting their cordless 18v range only to later discover no impact wrench... FFS!!!

[uninformed]

id be interested to know why AEG don't make an impact wrench!
I started collecting their cordless 18v range only to later discover no impact wrench... FFS!!!

Id say its because AEG are more designed/marketed to the home owner than professional. I know you dont want to hear that, but its been a few years now since the AEG brand was what it use to be. No longer made anywhere in europe, the name/brand is owned by Techtronics

Techtronic Industries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They also own Milwaukee and Ryobi. Milwaukee is their pro/trade range with some stuff made in USA and Germany (I think) as well as Asia.

Trade Tools will no longer sell AEG, one reason they started to see returns/problems.....

[LandyAndy]

up untill recently Paslode nail guns were/still are using 6v Ni-cad batteries. Nothing wrong with them in the right applictaion. NiMh was the buzz when it came out, but there was a reason companies like Festool didnt jump on board....I was never really impressed with the so called gains ovf NiMh over Ni-cad.

Yes L-ion batteries are a definite improvement. Ive just upgraded to Hilti 22v gear so will be interested to see how much better it is over my Hitachi 18v L-ion

Id be interested to know where Bosch and others measure their torque for their impact wrenchs.

Andy, any idea of the rpm etc of the Bosch?

No.
Will dig out the book of words tommorow.
Must remember to register the warrantty too.12months standard,register online and they bump it up to 3 years.
Paperwork is down the shed at the moment.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

Id say its because AEG are more designed/marketed to the home owner than professional. I know you dont want to hear that, but its been a few years now since the AEG brand was what it use to be. No longer made anywhere in europe, the name/brand is owned by Techtronics

Techtronic Industries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techtronic_Industries)

They also own Milwaukee and Ryobi. Milwaukee is their pro/trade range with some stuff made in USA and Germany (I think) as well as Asia.

Trade Tools will no longer sell AEG, one reason they started to see returns/problems.....

My Bosch gear is made in USA.
Andrew

[uninformed]

My Bosch gear is made in USA.
Andrew

Andy, check the tool, the battery and the charger....id hazard a guess 3 different countries.

[debruiser]

If your buying from online you need to be careful because some places will be selling you overseas versions of the tools. IMPORTANT BIT: You will not get warranty! there is a little code on the model plate thingo. it should be numbers with vic or numbers with nsw or something like that, I think it changes.... just ask them if it's the OZ version. Unless you dont care... then it doesn't matter.

I have the Hitachi screw gun 18V, it's great (same unit just a different driver head) I put my 9x6 shed together with it.

[d2dave]

If your buying from online you need to be careful because some places will be selling you overseas versions of the tools. IMPORTANT BIT: You will not get warranty! there is a little code on the model plate thingo. it should be numbers with vic or numbers with nsw or something like that, I think it changes.... just ask them if it's the OZ version. Unless you dont care... then it doesn't matter.

I have the Hitachi screw gun 18V, it's great (same unit just a different driver head) I put my 9x6 shed together with it.

I have purchased a lot of Makita 18 volt stuff online, and yes they are grey imports. The bloke I buy from will warrant the gear so I still get a warranty. The only down fall being I have to take it back to him, I can't just go to any Makita dealer.

[debruiser]

I have purchased a lot of Makita 18 volt stuff online, and yes they are grey imports. The bloke I buy from will warrant the gear so I still get a warranty. The only down fall being I have to take it back to him, I can't just go to any Makita dealer.

I'm sure there is nothing wrong with the products.... just a warranty loop hole i guess.

[LandyAndy]

If your buying from online you need to be careful because some places will be selling you overseas versions of the tools. IMPORTANT BIT: You will not get warranty! there is a little code on the model plate thingo. it should be numbers with vic or numbers with nsw or something like that, I think it changes.... just ask them if it's the OZ version. Unless you dont care... then it doesn't matter.

I have the Hitachi screw gun 18V, it's great (same unit just a different driver head) I put my 9x6 shed together with it.

Mine came from Toolmart in Kelmscott.They matched the Sydney Tools Ebay price.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

up untill recently Paslode nail guns were/still are using 6v Ni-cad batteries. Nothing wrong with them in the right applictaion. NiMh was the buzz when it came out, but there was a reason companies like Festool didnt jump on board....I was never really impressed with the so called gains ovf NiMh over Ni-cad.

Yes L-ion batteries are a definite improvement. Ive just upgraded to Hilti 22v gear so will be interested to see how much better it is over my Hitachi 18v L-ion

Id be interested to know where Bosch and others measure their torque for their impact wrenchs.

Andy, any idea of the rpm etc of the Bosch?

1800rpm/650nm
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

I'm sure there is nothing wrong with the products.... just a warranty loop hole i guess.

Visit Sydney Tools website.They tell you the difference between USA spec and Aussie specs.
One point I recall is the US/European batteries have antifreeze wich lessens their lifespan.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

I used the cordless hammer drill to bore a 1" hole in a ceramic pot today.It was tough going but did the job well.Was surprised by the heat of the exhaust air coming out of the vents.The drill itself wasnt hot at all so it must have a decent cooling system.
Andrew

[Grimace]

Id say its because AEG are more designed/marketed to the home owner than professional. I know you dont want to hear that, but its been a few years now since the AEG brand was what it use to be. No longer made anywhere in europe, the name/brand is owned by Techtronics

Techtronic Industries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techtronic_Industries)

They also own Milwaukee and Ryobi. Milwaukee is their pro/trade range with some stuff made in USA and Germany (I think) as well as Asia.

Trade Tools will no longer sell AEG, one reason they started to see returns/problems.....

I was aware of the above and have even rang Techtronic Industries about the impact wrench.
Can confirm that I was told (true or not) that there was to be an impact wrench added to the AEG line up by the end of next year :eek:

In the end I chose AEG for the price (on special), I use the tools on a non regular basis, hopefully they last.

[motoafro]

Just a FYI, I bought a DeWalt "DW059" from this guy on ebay, top notch product and sooooo much power it laughed at anything I threw it up against including wheel nuts, sway bar bolts (15/16ths) radius arm nuts (30mm) etc etc this thing has a whopping 418nm of torque and has really made a huge difference to swapping out springs etc.

Check out the link

BLUE SKY QUALITY TOOLS items - Get great deals on Dewalt Accessories, Fluke Accessories items on eBay Stores! (http://stores.ebay.com.au/BLUE-SKY-QUALITY-TOOLS)


This guy is in rural VIC but comes into town regularly, genuine bloke and top notch to deal with, so if you're in the market for one of these I can highly recommend this product and Peter would be happy to do you a deal i'm sure !

cheers

[d2dave]

One point I recall is the US/European batteries have antifreeze wich lessens their lifespan.
Andrew

I find this surprising as lithium's work great in the cold. I have a thermometer on the out side of my fridge freezer with cordless sensors inside. The only batteries that can be used in the freezer sensor are lithium.

[slug_burner]

I find this surprising as lithium's work great in the cold. I have a thermometer on the out side of my fridge freezer with cordless sensors inside. The only batteries that can be used in the freezer sensor are lithium.

will they accept charge at low temps as well?

[uninformed]

I was aware of the above and have even rang Techtronic Industries about the impact wrench.
Can confirm that I was told (true or not) that there was to be an impact wrench added to the AEG line up by the end of next year :eek:

In the end I chose AEG for the price (on special), I use the tools on a non regular basis, hopefully they last.

Im sure they will be fine, and like most of battery tools, the tools ALWAYS outlast the batteries. Just do what the manual says re the batteries.

[Grimace]

Im sure they will be fine, and like most of battery tools, the tools ALWAYS outlast the batteries. Just do what the manual says re the batteries.

the manual....??? :D

[uninformed]

the manual....??? :D

yeah yeah I know, but when you read a few different brands they have some slight differences...like DONT run flat, DONT put straight on the charger when taken off a tool. Prep charge when new etc

IMO one of the biggest killers is heat and over charging. Im now in the habbit of taking off the tool before flat, letting sit for 10mins then charging. As soon as practicaly possible I take off the charger when full.

It doesnt hurt that I have 5 batteries to cycle

[d2dave]

will they accept charge at low temps as well?

Good point and my answer is I don't know. The ones I am using in my freezer are not chargeable, just disposable AA lithium's.

[Collins]

Comment only, a friend of mine, a boat mechanic has a Kinchrome rattle gun which has been well & truly used and abused, even to the point of being used under water, still rattling. Unsure of price, or torque capability, but it appeared virtually indestructible.

[LandyAndy]

I now have a second cordless rattlegun.
Been so impressed with my big rattlegun and the cordless hammer drill,when the good lady asked what can I get you for Xmas,I chose another tool.
Bosch impact driver wrench.Has the 1/2 square drive and also takes hex bits with no tool changeover.Bosch GDX 18V LI.
Andrew

[edddo]

Bought one of these a couple of weeks back -

http://screencast.com/t/Gy8zSdt5Tvw8

and then promptly broke my left elbow. So havent had a chance to try it out properly yet. It wont get used much so thought I could get away with a NiCad 24V at half the price of the better ones. Time will tell.

[HEYVJ]

I'm reading this thread with interest... I have a Ryobi + one kit. Drill, Sabre, Circular, grinder etc.

I'm looking at getting the P260 or BIW180M.


As a newbie:
Just wondering though, what is the socket size required for a standard P38 Wheel nut? Might get an impact socket this size for the tool kit.

Cheers & Merry Christmas.

HEYVJ

[LandyAndy]

I'm reading this thread with interest... I have a Ryobi + one kit. Drill, Sabre, Circular, grinder etc.

I'm looking at getting the P260 or BIW180M.


As a newbie:
Just wondering though, what is the socket size required for a standard P38 Wheel nut? Might get an impact socket this size for the tool kit.

Cheers & Merry Christmas.

HEYVJ

1 1/16" is what I have for my D2,just tried a 27mm socket,too small,so should be 28mm.D2/P38a are the same.
Andrew

[LandyAndy]

1 1/16" is what I have for my D2,just tried a 27mm socket,too small,so should be 28mm.D2/P38a are the same.
Andrew

Just double checked.
27mm is correct,the 6 point 27mm does fit the other wheels,looks like somebody has used a 12 point socket on that wheel,funnily enough never noticed the damaged tin covers before:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Andrew

[4x4 MORE]

Hi Guys I am Just looking at getting a Impact Wrench for 4WD trips and camping...

Just to have in the 4wd to use on EVERYTHING from Wheel nuts to Head Bolts and Crankshaft, harmonic Balancer ect..;)

Budget 200ish..

Rockwell ShopSeries Cordless Impact Wrench - 1/2", 18 Volt Li-Ion - Supercheap Auto Australia (http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/Rockwell-ShopSeries-Cordless-Impact-Wrench-1-2-18-Volt-Li-Ion.aspx?pid=342595#Recommendations)

Anyone tried the Super cheap one?

[Outback 1]

i have a Ryobi 18 volt absolutely brilliant undoes wheel nuts and axle nuts with ease

[RHS58]

I'd bet my last dollar that the damn thing would have a flat battery when I needed to use it.
At least the old breaker bar doesn't need recharging.

[V8Ian]

Supercheap may be cheap but I doubt it would be value.
Ask LandyAndy, he did all the legwork on them.

[PhilipA]

I recently bought a Ryobi which is $149 at Bunnings.

It doesn't come with a battery, but I have 2 Lithium batteries for the rest of my Ryobi tools.

Seeing you are asking the question you probably don't have Ryobi 18V system, but IMHO they are great. I have had a drill , vacuum, and cut off saw for 10+ years and a blower for 8 and all are still going strong.
Regards Philip A

[discotwinturbo]

i have a Ryobi 18 volt absolutely brilliant undoes wheel nuts and axle nuts with ease

X 2

Have actually removed a bolt torqued to 240nm.

Brett....

[bsperka]

Hi Guys I am Just looking at getting a Impact Wrench for 4WD trips and camping...

Just to have in the 4wd to use on EVERYTHING from Wheel nuts to Head Bolts and Crankshaft, harmonic Balancer ect..;)

Budget 200ish..

Rockwell ShopSeries Cordless Impact Wrench - 1/2", 18 Volt Li-Ion - Supercheap Auto Australia (http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/Rockwell-ShopSeries-Cordless-Impact-Wrench-1-2-18-Volt-Li-Ion.aspx?pid=342595#Recommendations)

Anyone tried the Super cheap one?
You may be doing your camping wrong if you need an impact wrench??? 😊

If you want it for the 4wd why not get a 12v one powered by the car battery? One less battery to recharge. I know its corded so doesn't meet the criteria. Otherwise a brand name with a good battery , as this determines the price and life of the driver. Milwaukee etc but will exceed your set budget. All of the brand names mentioned so far have very expensive batteries which are about the same or are more than your current budget.

[4x4 MORE]

You may be doing your camping wrong if you need an impact wrench??? 😊

If you want it for the 4wd why not get a 12v one powered by the car battery? One less battery to recharge. Otherwise a brand name with a good battery , as this determines the price and life of the driver. Milwaukee etc but will exceed your set budget.

I mean like camping in 4WD accessible area's and I need to take a control arm off or undo a drive-shaft..ect

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I'd like a "Long Term Owners Report" from Andy on the the purchase,,,;)

[Disco-tastic]

I was just reading through this thread before I bought one. I ended up getting a new model Ryobi One+ (I already have the batteries).

Ryobi have two models - One that has 265Nm (http://ryobi.com.au/18v-one-impact-wrench-biw180g) and One that has 360Nm and 3 speeds (http://ryobi.com.au/18v-one-3-speed-impact-wrench). Both are $159 for the skin only. It also comes with an adapter to make it a 1/4" impact driver, which I wish I knew before I bought an impact driver earlier in the year.

I stumbled across the higher torque model in Bunnings as a kit ($300 with a 2.5Ah and a 5.0Ah battery and charger) but couldnt find just a skin on the shelf (only the lower torque older model). After a few phone calls and some explaining it turns out they do have the new ones, just not on the shelf. You need to specifically ask for the model number and they may have to order them in.

I haven't had a chance to use it yet (it's a Christmas present) but if I remember (or if I have trouble with it :p ) I'll post back once I've used it.

[DoubleChevron]

Out of interest. Why are you guys buying cordless unless you use the rattle gun in industry :confused: . I find the batteries always die before I get any use out of the tools. I always wanted a grunty rattle gun.... Quality units were always very expensive regardless of being heavily battered/used etc...

A couple of years ago I picked a very battered one of these up for $85 bucks ...

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/890.jpg

The trigger on it is a bit intermittent, but I still haven't found a fastener it won't unscrew. I'm still amazed at the grunt a dinky electric rattle gun has. Sure it's not cordless, but it'll work anywhere you can drag an extension lead too without having to cart a big compressor with me :)

seeya,
Shane L.

[PhilipA]

You can take the cordless on trips.
It is amazing how much more handy a cordless rattle gun is compared to an air gun, and I have both. So I would think that the cordless would be more handy than a corded.
My Lithium Ryobi batteries have been going about 3-4 years now and are still going strong after constant use with my blower about every 3 days , drill, and rattle gun.
And I can always buy new ones.
Regards Philip A

[DoubleChevron]

You can take the cordless on trips.
It is amazing how much more handy a cordless rattle gun is compared to an air gun, and I have both. So I would think that the cordless would be more handy than a corded.
My Lithium Ryobi batteries have been going about 3-4 years now and are still going strong after constant use with my blower about every 3 days , drill, and rattle gun.
And I can always buy new ones.
Regards Philip A

Oh yeah, cordless is brilliant. I haven't used a corded drill since I got one of those makita battery drills a couple of year back. Both of it's batteries are now down a cell or two though :( ............... which brings me back to the issue of batteries. I don't want to be replacing batteries on something that is rarely used. Having 5 cars and a mower to upkeep batteries on is bad enough without adding tools that are generally only used in my shed to the mix :)

If you use them a lot ..... the battery stuff these days is incredible!

seeya,
Shane L.

[Tank]

Keep the comments coming guys.
Model numbers will be good as Fleabay varies HEAPS in similar looking tools,and many dont post the nm value,makes it hard to compare.
If I HAVE to do the depreciation method I will go with it for a better tool.
Andrew
I and my son (Mechanic) both use and recommend the Ryobi 1/2" drive, I can't remember prices, but the Impact wrench costs around $130+, but comes without a battery or charger.
We bought the Impact wrench and the Cordless drill kit which comes with 1 large battery, 1 smaller battery and the charger for about $169, so you end up with a 1/2" Impact wrench, a Cordless drill and 2 batteries and charger for around $300+, a good deal, I can't fault performance or durability, wish they had been round years ago, Regards Frank.

One of these ****ing days I will read the Original Post Date.

[LandyAndy]

I'd like a "Long Term Owners Report" from Andy on the the purchase,,,;)

Mine is still going as good as the day I bought it.2 weeks ago I was changing cutting edges every second day as I was trimming up shoulders for sealing(7km both sides),cheap blades wear very quickly when working off bitumen.I have 3 batteries,I marked them 1,2 and 3,only use no1 for the rattlegun.It still undoes the 30 3/4" bolts and tightens them.Never had any come loose so its tightenening them sufficiently.
VERY HAPPY with it.
Andrew

[gavinwibrow]

Of the three I have, the 12V car version is the ducks nuts. It has a much longer interval between pulses and will undo nuts the 18V cordless cant move. Can't speak for the air one - never used it.

[LandyAndy]

Quite often the threads on the cutting edge bolts get damaged.In the old way a 5 foot pipe was needed to wind the nut off.It was slow and hard work on a hot day.
This Bosch rattlegun has 650nm,it simply peels the thead of the damaged bolt:cool::cool::cool::cool:
No hassles I carry spares.They are hi strength bolts too,not mild steel;);););););)
Andrew

[Dare2]

I have recently bought a 18v Bosch rattle gun which is made in the USA and is the same gearbox etc as the Snap on version. If you buy it as a skin and then a separate battery you should be able to claim it.
Great tool , heavy duty.
Just on a side note make sure you apply some never siege to the threads of any bolts so as to prevent galling ( thread pick up , thread damage ) this will make any bolt easier to remove next time.
Hope this helps :cool:
Dare2

[LandyAndy]

I used never seize before the rattle gun,I dont any more,you get splattered with the stuff when doing them up :(:(:(:(:(:(
The threads get damaged by rocks so the anti seize wouldnt help much.
Andrew

[ADMIRAL]

Just a couple of observations from my use. Anti seize should not be used on wheel nuts, as it alters the torque, and the wheel nut can end up with a lot higher loading than intended. Just clean the threads with brakecleaner.
Constant use of even an electric rattle gun, damages the shell around the LR nuts. A six sided socket and a tension wrench to take the initial tension off the nut, and to apply the final tension is the way to go.

[350RRC]

Hi All,

Bit of a gravedig but this thread is helpful.

I have a German built AEG 18 V hammer drill that has been good. Both NImh batteries sad and the charger let the smoke out the other day.

The new AEG lithium stuff is built in China. The current batteries fit my old drill.

I can get a full kit of Hammer drill, impact drill, 1/2" impact driver(360nm), 165mm saw, angle grinder, torch, radio, 3x 6aH batteries (guaranteed for 3 yrs) for 1200.

Good deal or not? To be used in a farm / casual renovation contracting situation.

cheers, DL

[Surrufus]

Rattle Guns are for sissys! :p

Real men use battery "Nut Runners"

*que shameless plug*

Battery torque wrench: ITH battery nut runner type ADS | ITH (http://www.ith.com/en/tension-and-torque-tools/nut-runners/battery-torque-wrench-ith-battery-nut-runner-type-ads.php)

In maximum torque ratings from 400Nm to 4,000Nm, this is where it's at!

[Disco-tastic]

Hi All,

Bit of a gravedig but this thread is helpful.

I have a German built AEG 18 V hammer drill that has been good. Both NImh batteries sad and the charger let the smoke out the other day.

The new AEG lithium stuff is built in China. The current batteries fit my old drill.

I can get a full kit of Hammer drill, impact drill, 1/2" impact driver(360nm), 165mm saw, angle grinder, torch, radio, 3x 6aH batteries (guaranteed for 3 yrs) for 1200.

Good deal or not? To be used in a farm / casual renovation contracting situation.

cheers, DL

I have heard alot of the AEG gear is made by the same people that make Ryobi. Some parts are interchangeable (ie the multitool heads), so there may be some truth to it.

$1200 sounds expensive to me... in Ryobi gear you can get this 4 tool kit for $399, and this 9 piece for $799.

My use is home only and apart from two chargers blowing up during a storm (had one replaced under warranty) i havent had any problems.

I would be looking at milwaukee at $1200.

Cheers

Dan

[350RRC]

Thanks Dan,

In a more rational moment I bought the brushless hammer drill and impact driver with 2 x 6 Ah batteries and a new charger as a kit for $600, and a twin pack of 5 Ah batteries for $200.

Both tools have an awesome amount of grunt. The batteries fit my old German 18v drill as well.

Milwaukee are made in the same factory and the AEG batteries fit them too.

DL

[Disco-tastic]

Which brand? AEG or Milwaukee?

[350RRC]

AEG, 3 years warranty on the batteries, 6 years on the tools.

Have a lot of experience with German made AEG tools in hostile environments (fibreglass) and they were great. See how I go with this stuff in a farm / contracting mode.

Cheers, DL

[d2dave]

30 years ago AEG stuff was regarded as up there with the best.

I have a suspicion that they aren't as good as they once were.
I am not sure where the tools are made but AEG is now owned by a Hong Kong company.

[350RRC]

From wiki:

'Techtronic Industries Company Limited (SEHK: 669, OTC Pink: TTNDY), Techtronic or TTI, is an investment holding company based in Hong Kong.[1] Its products include Milwaukee, AEG (AEG Powertools, licensed from Electrolux), Ryobi, Homelite, Hoover US, Dirt Devil, and Vax. TTI employs over 20,000 staff and in 2014 had worldwide annual sales of US$4.8 billion.[2] Subsidiaries include AC (Macao Commercial Offshore) Limited, Baja, Inc., Homelite Consumer Products, Inc., Hoover Inc., One World Technologies, Inc. and Sang Tech Industries Limited.'

DL

[Toxic_Avenger]

Rattle Guns are for sissys! :p

Real men use battery "Nut Runners"

*que shameless plug*

Battery torque wrench: ITH battery nut runner type ADS | ITH (http://www.ith.com/en/tension-and-torque-tools/nut-runners/battery-torque-wrench-ith-battery-nut-runner-type-ads.php)

In maximum torque ratings from 400Nm to 4,000Nm, this is where it's at!

Looks suspiciously like a Metabo tool skin shape.
The power tool industry is pretty incestuous

[d2dave]

Looks suspiciously like a Metabo tool skin shape.
The power tool industry is pretty incestuous

It would be good if it was.

I rate Metabo as one of the best.

[rangieman]

Thanks Dan,

In a more rational moment I bought the brushless hammer drill and impact driver with 2 x 6 Ah batteries and a new charger as a kit for $600, and a twin pack of 5 Ah batteries for $200.

Both tools have an awesome amount of grunt. The batteries fit my old German 18v drill as well.

Milwaukee are made in the same factory and the AEG batteries fit them too.

DL

Milwaukee mmmm my 10 month old 18v twin cordless kit impact driver and drill just got returned for a warranty claim.
Funny thing is the bloke at total tools i dealt with showed me a video on his ph of his 2 month old Milwaukee charger going up in smoke .
Funny as he has gone to Bosch cordless now .
He also said they get alot lot of Milwaukee returns but he said they also sell lot`s really depressing when i thought id bought a quality product

[Toxic_Avenger]

Agreed.

This is the ITH job:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/09/659.jpg

Which looks liek the metabo Brushless SB18LTX jobs:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/09/660.jpg

With the torque multiplier unit in place of the 'Quick chuck' arrangement. Probably just an instance of one company having a device, but not wanting to vertically integrate into tool manufacture as well as fastening technology.

[Surrufus]

Agreed.

This is the ITH job:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/09/659.jpg

Which looks liek the metabo Brushless SB18LTX jobs:
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/09/660.jpg

With the torque multiplier unit in place of the 'Quick chuck' arrangement. Probably just an instance of one company having a device, but not wanting to vertically integrate into tool manufacture as well as fastening technology.

I'm pretty sure the design process involved a "stick to what you're good at" step.
ITH make torque and tension units, so it made sense to get another manufacturer to supply the driver.
Everything forward of the trigger is made in house at ITH in Germany.

[350RRC]

Milwaukee mmmm my 10 month old 18v twin cordless kit impact driver and drill just got returned for a warranty claim.
Funny thing is the bloke at total tools i dealt with showed me a video on his ph of his 2 month old Milwaukee charger going up in smoke .
Funny as he has gone to Bosch cordless now .
He also said they get alot lot of Milwaukee returns but he said they also sell lot`s really depressing when i thought id bought a quality product

Thanks Chris,

As previously posted, I've had a lot of good experience with German made AEG, there is no way I would have touched Milwaukee even though they are made in the same factory as AEG these days in China. I don't do 'tradie' fashion statements, was more a comment about the supposed superiority of Milwaukee.

There are differences between the warranties and battery sizes with the two brands. Ryobi are owned by the same mob and I wouldn't touch them with what I do.

We'll see how these things go and my old German 18v hammer drill has a new lease on life.

cheers, DL

[350RRC]

It would be good if it was.

I rate Metabo as one of the best.

I have about 6 or 7 corded drills, one of which is a largish Metabo hammer drill and I love it.

Also have a Metabo cut off saw that is a bit agricultural and was made in China.

Does the job though.

DL

[Vern]

Thanks Chris,

As previously posted, I've had a lot of good experience with German made AEG, there is no way I would have touched Milwaukee even though they are made in the same factory as AEG these days in China. I don't do 'tradie' fashion statements.

We'll see how these things go and my old German 18v hammer drill has a new lease on life.

cheers, DL

They are all crap really. From my experience as someone who uses cordless tools everyday, (I currently have Milwaukee, it OK but not flash) the 12v Milwaukee stuff is really good, and the dewalt (12&18v)stuff seems to last. But they are all a much of a much ness, some tools are great from some brands, some a rubbish.
I will be going dewalt next (again), it just seems to keep working for some reason.

[weeds]

We are currently switching to Milwaukee......been good except for the chuck on one drill, replaced under warranty as the retaining bolt could not be removed.

[350RRC]

We are currently switching to Milwaukee......been good except for the chuck on one drill, replaced under warranty as the retaining bolt could not be removed.

Left hand thread :)

DL

[weeds]

Left hand thread :)



DL



Yep......we couldn't budge it with a 1/2" drive pneumatic rattle gun.

Repair agent couldn't remove either (socket was stripped by this stage) so they had to order a new gear box.

[350RRC]

Kinda funny how I know the retainers are LH thread considering all the quality comments in this thread.

I only know the retainer is LH because it fell out of the most expensive corded drill I have....... Metabo. :D

Vern is half on the money with the 'crap' comment about tools.

I only have one Dewhat? thing and it doesn't consume power. It usually has a big Makita saw (not the latest) sitting on top and both are way ahead of any similar things.

cheers, DL

[manofaus]

Gone through Dewalt and Hitachi and now onto Milwaukee. They cope well. We have a high turnover if tooling. Mostly impact wrench, drills and grinders. I too vote Milwaukee.

[Russrobe]

We currently use about 8x Bosch Impact Wrench 18v Battery type. Love them, only problem is they lose a bit of their grunt after the first bar drops on the battery so i take about 3 up with me and swap between 2 guns throughout a 2 hour period of use.

More on the extreme end of use, think we push them as hard possible. Had one die in 3 months of use which i think is good going under the circumstances.

Use a 18V Milwaukee Band Saw though, great tool, useless battery(get 6 cuts out of it if lucky)

[d2dave]

I have for a long time been contemplating getting a half inch drive cordless impact tool.

I do own a lot of 18 volt Makita stuff so logic said to go Makita.

However, until now I reckon that when it came to this particular tool there were better options, hence my delay in purchase, because if I changed brand I would have to also purchase new batteries and charger.

I had a little look around yesterday and I discovered that Makita have released a new model.

It is a bit pricey at $420 but this thing is a weapon. 1,600Nm of nut busting torque.
This got me so excited that I now have one on order.

https://www.makita.com.au/products/lithium/lithium-ion-skins/18-volt/dtw1002z-18v-mobile-brushless-1-2-impact-wrench

[trout1105]

Resurrecting an old thread here [biggrin]
I bought an 18v Ozito cordless impact wrench recently (skin only) for the princely sum of $139, I have been using a cordless tech gun for smaller work and wanted something with a bit more Grunt.
It is brushless and is the 215nm model ( there is also a 180nm unit for $119) and it had absolutely NO difficulty undoing the rusted wheel nuts on my boat trailer So I gave it a whirl on the wheel nuts on my D2a which it also handled with ease.
I was hoping that it would handle the trailer nuts because that was the primary reason for buying it and I was happily surprised with the amount of "Grunt" when it worked just as well on my truck wheel nuts as well.
Using one of these when changing a tyre will make the chore SO much easier and as I am in my 60's that bloody breaker bar and wheel spanner are killers.
I have NO illusions about this lasting forever although it does have a 5 year warranty and I won't be using it full time like a fitter would But as far as bang for buck goes this little unit is great [bigrolf]

Ozito Power X Change 18V Brushless Impact Wrench - Skin Only (https://www.bunnings.com.au/ozito-power-x-change-18v-brushless-impact-wrench-skin-only_p6290566)

[pop058]

cordless gear saves a lot of effort and can be used to run wheel nut OFF and UP, just don't be tempted to do the final tension on you wheel nuts with it. Ideally use a torque wrench or at least by hand with a tyre lever or breaker bar.

[Bigbjorn]

If you are going to give it a lot of use then buy a Milwaukee. Top shelf tools and worth the price for professional use.

[Tins]

If you are going to give it a lot of use then buy a Milwaukee. Top shelf tools and worth the price for professional use.

X2. I bought a 3/4 drive, 18 volt one which started me down the Milwauke path. The thing is fantastic, if a little big. The 1/2" ones are cheaper. I'll not change now.

[trout1105]

If you are going to give it a lot of use then buy a Milwaukee. Top shelf tools and worth the price for professional use.

I have No intention of using this on a continual basis and it certainly wont be seeing anything like professional use.
It doesn't make much sense for me to spend hundreds of dollars more for a Milwaki or Dewalt unit for what I will need this tool for and how often I will use it so this Ozito unit will suit me just fine.
I would much rather spend the extra quids on fishing gear or fuel for my next trip than on an expensive tool that will see little use [thumbsupbig]

[Svengali0]

I use the bigger Dewalt..720nm from memory..haven't found a nut or bolt that didn't feel like moving.

[Spike The Cat]

Milwaukee......Im a mechanic and really when you look at value for money getting the job you cant go past them. I have a variety of 12 and 18 volt both in 3/8 and half inch drive. Great gear.

[uninformed]

Im on Makita cordless gear atm. Past has been, Panasonic, Bosch, Hitachi, Hilti. I always have drill/driver with hammer, impact driver, reciprocating saw, grinder as a minimum. Most of the little 1/2" impact wrenches are based on their (brand) impact driver. So youll only find the lower end of the torque busting spectrum. Go to your big tool brand outlet and if you have a good repore with a sales member, ask them the % of return of each brand (they have these numbers) also ask them who is the easiest to deal with re warranty (they definitely know this)

From my understanding Milwaukee has a higher % or return than Dewalt but have been easier/better to deal with regarding warranty... but a shift seems to be in the air re that ease...

Im happy with my makita, no problems since purchase a few years ago and I use my cordless kit every single day. Mostly impact driver, drill, planer, grinder, radio and blower. I have one of their bigger 1/2" impact wrenchs...1000nm I think it is. I sometimes do structural steel and the stock small one is not enough for M16 and M20 structural bolts

I did keep my Hilit rotary hammer drill and collated screw gun/driver in 22v cordless as these are best on market AFAIC

[rick130]

Further to what Serg said re returns.
I walked into Total Tools in Canberra six months ago to replace my Panasonic gear with a Milwaukee system and walked out with a Makita hammer drill and impact driver, based purely on the % returns at the time, and the comment by the fellas there that Milwaukee were really tightening up on their warranty returns as so many of us tradies were abusing the warranty.

And after reading this thread I need to add another skin, a bloody rattle gun! [emoji23]

[uninformed]

Further to what Serg said re returns.
I walked into Total Tools in Canberra six months ago to replace my Panasonic gear with a Milwaukee system and walked out with a Makita hammer drill and impact driver, based purely on the % returns at the time, and the comment by the fellas there that Milwaukee were really tightening up on their warranty returns as so many of us tradies were abusing the warranty.

And after reading this thread I need to add another skin, a bloody rattle gun! [emoji23]

you can have a gander at mine, but I tell ya she must be made of cast steel.... no light weight. Im guessing real gearbox and gears!

BTW I still rate the current Panasonic gear. always have. Shame they only make about 5 tools. IMO its either keep up with the big three (selection wise) or vanish.

Hitachi were good when I had them 10 years ago ( I think first Li-ion battery models) but last coupe of years seem a bit junky (my mate runs a full kit) They are renaming themselves so I hope they improve their quality.

Another VERY high quality brand is Fein. German made. I rate their corded angle grinders as best made hands down. Their hand held drills (corded) are on another level of percision and smoothness. They make a few cordless tools, but not enough for what I need and I dont have the budget of Jeff Bezos.

Hilti you pay a premium for. I think they have free servicing for the first year or 2??? Great for bigger companies. I use there powder actuated guns, corded rotary hammer drills and have their cordless hammer drill and collated screw gun as stated. This gear is excellent and my corded hammer drill has not missed a beat in 18 years. Powder actuated guns have been faultless and much better than my experiences with Ramset and Powers.

BUT I dont rate their normal cordless drills, impact drivers, grinders and impact wrench above Makita, Milwaukee etc. And you just pay too much for them...dont even price batteries!

BTW Makita makes a cordless coffe maker.....Mic drop!

[Vern]

I just need Milwaukee to make a cordless chainsaw!

[uninformed]

I just need Milwaukee to make a cordless chainsaw!

No, you NEED a little husky pro saw [biggrin]

I think Makita does. I would not be suprised if Milwaukee do make one in the future.

[rick130]

I just need Milwaukee to make a cordless chainsaw!


No, you NEED a little husky pro saw [biggrin]

I think Makita does. I would not be suprised if Milwaukee do make one in the future.

Makita definitely do!
36v (2x 18v) top and rear handle. It's one area where they have a leg up on Milwaukee as they own Dolmar so they have inhouse expertise in saw design but I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Milwaukee saw really soon.

[Vern]

No, you NEED a little husky pro saw [biggrin]

I think Makita does. I would not be suprised if Milwaukee do make one in the future.I have 3 petrol saws, don't need another!
Have heaps of Milwaukee gear, so a saw would be a great addition, particularly for camping