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DiscoMick
8th May 2015, 12:42 PM
I haven't checked this for accuracy, but no doubt some who know more than me will look over it.


The Land Rover History: Timeline (http://www.winwaed.com/landy/history/timeline.shtml)

SG1 Bones
10th May 2015, 03:07 PM
Thanks for sharing that DiscoMick there were some things there I didn't know, like the very beginning.

Nathan.

Vanja
8th October 2015, 08:14 PM
Thanks! It was interesting to read!

DiscoMick
9th October 2015, 10:37 AM
It is an interesting read.

PhilW
24th February 2016, 04:44 PM
I was having a chat on the weekend with my 94 (almost 95) year old father who re-told a story that I heard many years ago but forgot about. He is pretty sure he imported the first ever Land Rover into Australia. He was an RAF pilot who spent most of WWII as a POW in Germany but on being liberated he finished his commission (yes the RAF still made him finish after three years as a POW!) and then moved to Margaret River in Western Australia to take up a dairy farm in 1948/9. He and his wife saw the Land Rover at the London Motor Show in 1948 and had one shipped to use on the farm in WA. They were not available commercially in Australia at the time and he did not see another one around for a while so assumed his was the first. Don't know how we would check?

JDNSW
25th February 2016, 06:11 AM
The only way of being fairly certain would be to get some hard facts on this vehicle. The date of arrival and the chassis number of the one currently believed to have been the first are, I believe, documented. (I think both have been published somewhere on this forum. )

An arrival date would be fairly good evidence, as would a chassis number.

Some of the people here are fairly well informed on the earliest official imports, but it is always possible that there was an earlier private import. Even if it was not actually earlier, it could still have seemed the first, as there were not very many made in 1948-9 anyway, and very few of these got to Australia anyway. And communications were not as good then either.

John

PhilW
25th February 2016, 06:13 PM
Hi JDNSW. Just found photos of the very man and his car on this forum! See the post: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-i-land-rover-enthusiasts-section/165758-1948-r860585-2.html

Small world.

DiscoMick
2nd March 2016, 01:17 PM
Wow, how about that. Good find. I wonder how you would get records on a private import? Would LR in the UK have details still?

JDNSW
2nd March 2016, 02:26 PM
.... Would LR in the UK have details still?

Very unlikely he bought it from Landrover, probably from a dealer, whose records almost certainly do not exist. It is, however, just possible, that Rover archives may have correspondence with him - there were a few modifications to early production that were retrofitted to most of the vehicles already delivered, or he may have corresponded with them as there was no local expertise - but there were local Rover dealers, so he probably corresponded through them.

John

DiscoMick
24th March 2016, 12:53 PM
Very unlikely he bought it from Landrover, probably from a dealer, whose records almost certainly do not exist. It is, however, just possible, that Rover archives may have correspondence with him - there were a few modifications to early production that were retrofitted to most of the vehicles already delivered, or he may have corresponded with them as there was no local expertise - but there were local Rover dealers, so he probably corresponded through them.

John
I think I've read that there is a UK Series Land Rover register, but I don't know any details.
Edit: This might be it:
http://www.lrr48-53.info/

JDNSW
24th March 2016, 01:42 PM
I think I've read that there is a UK Series Land Rover register, but I don't know any details.
Edit: This might be it:
Land Rover Register 1948 – 1953 (http://www.lrr48-53.info/)

Yes, they are the best informed about early Landrovers, as they specialise in Landrovrs up to 1953. However, I suspect you may have to join to get much information from them.

John

Lotz-A-Landies
24th March 2016, 02:21 PM
I haven't checked this for accuracy, but no doubt some who know more than me will look over it.

The Land Rover History: Timeline (http://www.winwaed.com/landy/history/timeline.shtml)There are numerous errors in that timeline. The Series II actually commenced production in 1957 calendar year but were the 1958 "Rover Production Year" models.

The six cylinder engine actually became available is SIIA forward control export and CKD versions in 1963. However only a single SIIA forward control was produced with the six cylinder engine for the UK "home" market. Therefore for UK customers the six cylinder only became available with the SIIB forward control.

It misses the date of 1965 when the Rover Co Ltd took a controlling interest in the Alvis Car and Engineering Company Ltd (this put the Land Rover and a significant number of British armoured military vehicles (Saracen, Saladin, Stalwart etc.) manufactured under the one corporate entity but prior to the Leyland Motor Corporation and subsequently with the failing BMC conglomerate making the disastrous British Leyland MC).

It overlooks the Australian variants, the Stage 1 Isuzu and 110 Isuzu and everything since the purchase by Tata of India of Jaguar Land Rover from Ford PAG.

Lotz-A-Landies
24th March 2016, 02:34 PM
I was having a chat on the weekend with my 94 (almost 95) year old father who re-told a story that I heard many years ago but forgot about. He is pretty sure he imported the first ever Land Rover into Australia. ... <snip>
... and then moved to Margaret River in Western Australia to take up a dairy farm in 1948/9. He and his wife saw the Land Rover at the London Motor Show in 1948 and had one shipped to use on the farm in WA. They were not available commercially in Australia at the time and he did not see another one around for a while so assumed his was the first. Don't know how we would check?There are a number of myths like this around but it is probably unlikely.

According to Australian records and Mike Bishop (Australian guru on 80" models) 1948 model R860004 (number 4 Land Rover off the production line, HUE166 is R860001) was dispatched out of the Solihull depot on 26/08/48 then delivered to Faulls of Perth and sold to Great Boulder Mines Ltd on 9/10/48. 004 was never registered till the 1990s by a subsequent owner.

R860005 dispatched out of the Solihull depot on 17/08/48 and went to Regents Motors of Melbourne, as did R860026 dispatched out of the Solihull depot on 02/09/48.

R860103 dispatched out of the Solihull depot on 14/09/48 and delivered to Mr H.A. Francis The Rover Co Ltd factory representative in Australia (Melbourne). (This vehicle may actually be R860130 which exists in WA but was noted as being dispatched to Singapore.)

There were brokers in London who would arrange the purchase of a British car and export it anywhere in the World, so there is a possibility that an early Land Rover arrived under these conditions. That being true, and unless it was R860130, it is still unlikely that a vehicle arrived before The Rover Co Ltd were able to deliver demonstrator and other vehicles to the five Rover master distributors around Australia. e.g. the vehicle R860138, dispatched out of the Solihull depot on 16/09/48 (with R860136), arrived in Sydney on 26/11/1948 to Grenville Motors NSW, registered by them on 9/12/1948 and used by them as a demonstrator until 22nd August 1949. Five other vehicles arriving in Sydney in November and early December 1948, (R860136, R860137, R860139, R860164 and R860165) were all sold to customers in December 1948 (2) and Jan/Feb 1949.

Production/dispatch records for Land Rover Solihull factory are available from the British Motor Industry Heritage trust at the Gaydon Museum (for a cost).

AndyG
24th March 2016, 03:59 PM
Imagine, Noone to wave to :p

And the neighbours saying ' nice Jeep'

AndyG
24th March 2016, 04:06 PM
The London Motor Show Oct - Nov, so any purchase would have arrived in 49

Lotz-A-Landies
24th March 2016, 05:25 PM
The London Motor Show Oct - Nov, so any purchase would have arrived in 49I don't know if you are aware that a lot of the vehicles in the 1948 London Motor Show were actually pre-production vehicles. (And yes a vehicle ordered at the Motor Show then dispatched to Australia would have been unlikely to arrive till December 48/January 49 at the earliest. (Remember we are talking about immediately post WWII, so the steaming time Southampton to Fremantle at 10 knots is about 47 days (http://ports.com/sea-route/port-of-southampton,united-kingdom/port-of-fremantle-perth,australia/) excluding stops.))

Here is an image of the first six Land Rovers in the Grenville Motors allocations book. You will notice both ships arrived in 1948 (November and December)

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/land-rover-history/107229d1458804285-land-rover-timeline-first-land-rovers.jpg

Other interesting factoids
For those who are interested you will notice the comment "2 seats" and "3 seats": Initially the standard configuration of the early vehicles was a single cushion for the driver with a small padded block as a back rest at the top of the transom, the middle seat remained an option at least until R861306 (April 1949) which is the last occasion when the comment "3 seats" is recorded.

The squabs most of us know as the "sprung shovel" backs were introduced on #860150 so R860136 through R860139 mentioned above originally only had the block for a backrest.

In 1948 SS Port Lyttleton (http://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/P-Ships/portlyttelton1947.html) was only a year old.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/03/241.jpg

N.B. the other ship mentioned above Port Campbell (2) was a 1922 built freighter survived the war and was scrapped in 1953, both ships were Port Line.

Lotz-A-Landies
24th March 2016, 10:12 PM
R860584, R860585, R860586 and R860588 were all dispatched to Faull's Perth and were sold to customers in January and February 1949.
Family names of the Faull's customers were: Reuben, Stokes, Whittle and De Pledge.

JDNSW
25th March 2016, 06:41 AM
Whittle was the family name mentioned in the other thread. From this it would seem that the Landrover was in fact one of the first but did actually go through the local Rover dealer.

John

Lotz-A-Landies
25th March 2016, 09:14 AM
Whittle was the family name mentioned in the other thread. From this it would seem that the Landrover was in fact one of the first but did actually go through the local Rover dealer.

JohnR860585 engine: 860840 dispatched out of the Solihull depot 29/11/48 to Faull's sold to Mrs P. Whittle on 7/02/49 (AFAIK currently lost).

This was the 17th vehicle dispatched to Australia and the 4th one sold by Faull's in WA.

So while the information about not seeing another one for some time was probably true it was not the first. Still not a bad thing from the recollections of a 94 year old.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/series-i-land-rover-enthusiasts-section/54848d1356618077-1948-r860585-585-4.jpg