Your thoughts?

[Keithy P38]

Hey guys,

Will be putting my blue rangie up for sale very soon as I've now got another (with all the fruit) so two is unnecessary - or greedy, whichever way you view it :-)

Either way, I'm chasing opinions as I'm really in two minds about "how" to sell it.

On one hand I would like to remove the lift kit and 16" rims and sell it with standard suspension (with gen III's) and 18" rims with good all-terrain tyres. This will easily allow me to fit 285's to the new Rangie when the time comes and also means I won't have to fab up another lift kit!

On the other hand, the ride in the new RR is superior to the lifted RR (I put it down to the bilstein shocks), and those 18" rims really look great on it. I can get a 33" tyre for the 18's (not a BFG KM2 though, will be a cooper or mickey t) so my compromise is that I can't get the brand and type of tyre I want... Cost of tyres isn't really an issue - I'm prepared to pay what's necessary for a tyre.

What would you do?

Cheers
Keithy

[Eevo]

On the other hand, the ride in the new RR is superior to the lifted RR (I put it down to the bilstein shocks), and those 18" rims really look great on it.



sounds like the obvious choice to me

[Keithy P38]

Hehe I knew someone would say that!

Looking to the future, the new P38 will be lifted and 33" tyred over the next year or two. It's really a matter of 'Do I keep the 16's and lift it now, or do I fab a lift up when the time comes and settle for the asthetically more pleasing 18's and a tyre I'm not all that keen on'...

Cheers
Keithy

[benji]

Id be taking the lift off and transfering it over. You're not going to be able to sell the car for more because of the lift.
It also gives you the opportunity to have the kit sitting on the bench if you wanted to change anything.

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[Hammer H]

Hi Keithy

Takes some time to make the the spacers, I'd take them off and keep. The thing, is the lift legal, so if a Buyer had an accident could you then be liable.

I'm thinking 16s with 33s will be better off road then 18s with 33s which will be better on road. Depends where you want the vehicle to perform the best. With 33s on the 16s even at hwy height on rough bitumen roads it hard work. But off road a lounge chair on a tractor.

I have a second set of standard rims and Tyres I fit between trips while in town as with the 33s I feel like I'm 17 again and always looking to avoid the police. They stand out like dogs......

[davidsonsm]

Yep. 16" rims with 33" mud tyres is the way to go for off road and the 18's with ATs for general driving. I use 32" BF ATs on the 18" rims. And 33" BFs on the steel 16"ers. Best of both worlds.

Probably would buy a 31" AT next time to be more compliant with the law.

After all the work I'd be swapping over the lift kit to allow you choice and flexibility of tyres.

[Eevo]

are you doing the work yourself or paying someone?

[p38arover]

Will you get any more money with the lift kit and Gen III?

I'd pull both off and revert the car to OEM suspension if you still have airbags.

[Keithy P38]

Thanks guys! I think I will remove the lift, and as Ron mentions, revert back to standard suspension for the sale. I have a full set of Dunlop OEM springs at home so will put those under it, have got a set of brand new boges as well which I'll fit up too. I've also ordered a full set of new height sensors too.

I'm sort-of lucky I haven't yet fitted the adjustable panhard or swaybar disconnects! Two less things to have to un-modify :-)

As for the tyres... Still in two minds about it! I don't plan to have two sets of wheels for different occasions. My P38 doesn't get much use at all, when I do drive it, usually it's for a trip away. I have a motorbike and SWMBO's Korean car for little trips to get bread and milk!

Worst case scenario, what's a set of 5 or 6 sunraysia rims worth? Or D2 alloys from the wreckers?

Cheers
Keithy

[Keithy P38]

are you doing the work yourself or paying someone?

I do all the work to my P38 myself! Cheap labour (by the beer code)

[Hammer H]

I think you have 265/75/16s already, going to 33s on 18s might be 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other, 16s you have you can let more air out of ,may handle the same, can use km2s, won't have rubbing issues ( if it bothers you). You will get slight oh more clearance on 18s with 33s.

Nut even talked myself into it, go the 16s, only being able to go to 18s is a constant issue with L322s. Having more rubber, you can let the Tyres down more to save the suspension, blowing shocks on corrugated roads at low speed as a one l322 owner found out the hard way. I think he was running 20s though but was limited the amount of air he could let out of the Tyres.

Plus you would never want to be in a situation where you say to yourself after spending the money xxxxx wish I had of got the 16s

[mtb_gary]

Keith


16's no question. You're using it primarily off road. If you need to drive around town quite a bit (as I do) swap out with a set of 18's with road tyres for the time you are using it on the bitumen, it's quieter and has better grip.


Good luck with the next project!


Gary

[LRDan]

+1 for 16's.

I also only use mine for primarily offroad work and first thing I did was buy 5 d2 wheels ($250 off the forum - cheaper than steels) and fit 32" AT's.

Dan

[Eevo]

I do all the work to my P38 myself! Cheap labour (by the beer code)

ah yes, this makes the change back worth while

[finallyrangie]

my 2 cents

keep the lift kit, gen 3 bags and the 16's

save yourself a lot of work and hassle later


it's the kind of problem I would like to have thought.

[Keithy P38]

I think you have 265/75/16s already, going to 33s on 18s might be 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other, 16s you have you can let more air out of ,may handle the same, can use km2s, won't have rubbing issues ( if it bothers you). You will get slight oh more clearance on 18s with 33s.

Nut even talked myself into it, go the 16s, only being able to go to 18s is a constant issue with L322s. Having more rubber, you can let the Tyres down more to save the suspension, blowing shocks on corrugated roads at low speed as a one l322 owner found out the hard way. I think he was running 20s though but was limited the amount of air he could let out of the Tyres.

Plus you would never want to be in a situation where you say to yourself after spending the money xxxxx wish I had of got the 16s

I agree, more sidewall is a good thing. I'm only running 255/70's (4 years and umpteen off-road trips and the buggers won't wear down!!) at the moment so on 18's I'd end up with more sidewall than I've currently got anyway, even so, the positives for 16's are the availability of spares almost anywhere and as you say you can let them down without as much fear of damage to the rim.

I'll think on it for a few days, I think I've been persuaded though ;-)

[DT-P38]

Sounds like you know what's best. Good to be thinking of purpose before prowess!

In saying that, if you were closer I would offer to swap/buy those comets! One of the nicest std P38 18' rims around.

[FANTOM P38]

I reckon would be easier to sell with std suspension & wheels & bonus is you get to keep good stuff for offroad:)
Easy enough to do yourself as you know plus availability of 33 KM2's just in case! I m running lift kit with Gen III's & Km2's as well and ride onroad is pretty good & much quiter than most Mudddies to boot!
Be good see some pics of the new Ride ????

[Keithy P38]

I put a few pics up in my "sucker for punishment" thread! I'm out at work at the moment so I'll take it out this weekend (probably will be lifted and KM2'd by then too)! It's a weird feeling leaving my blue P38 at home to take out the new one - such a hussy! I think the day I sell it I will shed a tear or two...

On a brighter note, I can get a set of 18" D2 wheels locally so will put tyres on them and sell the blue P38 with standard suspension and those wheels.

Cheers
Keithy

[BritishCarComponents]

I put a few pics up in my "sucker for punishment" thread! I'm out at work at the moment so I'll take it out this weekend (probably will be lifted and KM2'd by then too)! It's a weird feeling leaving my blue P38 at home to take out the new one - such a hussy! I think the day I sell it I will shed a tear or two...

On a brighter note, I can get a set of 18" D2 wheels locally so will put tyres on them and sell the blue P38 with standard suspension and those wheels.

Cheers
Keithy

Hang on to the comets... no offence, but to the right buyer they will be worth more than the car one day.

[Pete38]

I agree with pull it all off and sell it as close to stock as possible seeing you won't see much or any extra return. Most cars extra's even in new models don't return much of their cost.

Once you start pulling bits off it won't take long to do it all. And then fit it to the new one where you will see the benefits. And at the end of the day the removing of the bits is less work than creating them all again.

[PaulP38a]

Agreeing with the comments to make the car as a stock as possible when selling it. All your hard work and extra bits are worth near nothing when selling. Better to keep them for the next P38 or sell them separately.

Am facing a similar predicament myself at the moment. I am (99% sure) going to sell the black 2000 HSE but don't have a stock rear bumper to replace the custom rear bar/tyre carrier. 95% of potential buyers will place no value on the custom rear bar which cost me $2.5k, but I reckon I could easily sell it separately for $1k or more as they are so scarce. Likewise for any other enhancements like the Nanocom, EAS Bypasss, Gen III's, wood/leather steering wheel, iPod integration etc.

P38 novices don't value all the extra bits we put on our cars to improve reliability or on/off-road performance until they have owned them for a while. Then they get to pay through the nose like the rest of us :)

Best wishes with the sale, and your next project.

Cheers, Paul.

[TheTree]

Am facing a similar predicament myself at the moment. I am (99% sure) going to sell the black 2000 HSE but don't have a stock rear bumper to replace the custom rear bar/tyre carrier.

Cheers, Paul.

Mate

I have one on eBay right now, strangely enough I now have a bid on it but the bidder appears to be in the UK !

Range Rover P38 Rear Bumper BAR Excellent Condition | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/221777026333)

Steve

[p38arover]

:D

I was just about to tell Paul about that bumper - then I saw your post.

[DT-P38]

...Am facing a similar predicament myself at the moment. I am (99% sure) going to sell the black 2000 HSE but don't have a stock rear bumper to replace the custom rear bar/tyre carrier. 95% of potential buyers will place no value on the custom rear bar which cost me $2.5k, but I reckon I could easily sell it separately for $1k or more as they are so scarce. Likewise for any other enhancements like the Nanocom, EAS Bypasss, Gen III's, wood/leather steering wheel, iPod integration etc.
Deliberately left this response for a while to see if anyone was going to make you an decent offer!?!

If not, I would like to include all this kit as an add on to the HRA acquisition. That's if you do decide 100% to sell the "HRA Black Edition". Along with all the other bits you mentioned you still had, it would save me a heap of time and complete/create a great "template" for the range refresh and pre-production planning. Please put it all on our HRA sale inclusions list! Oh blimey... my cheque book is starting to quiver already.

If you do get to that 100% point, I will source you a good std bumper in your color as well. And even come up for a weekend to help swap it when I pick everything else up!!!

Is the black called Niagara? Give me the VIN and I will be able to look up the paint code.

[DT-P38]

Oh blimey... my cheque book is starting to quiver already.

FANTOM are you keen to join me (read do some work and pay some bills!) with HRA?

[p38arover]

FANTOM are you keen to join me (read do some work and pay some bills!) with HRA?

If you were in Sydney, I might have been. I actually toyed with buying HRA when Hardy was selling. I was a keen and knowledgeable P38A owner back then. :D

[DT-P38]

I was a keen and knowledgeable P38A owner back then. :D

We all hold you in very high esteem around here Ron. And you are still these things... you just don't seem to admit and enjoy being them anymore.

Perhaps it's all the 'luddites' you listen to in the rest of the site who think P38's are all flawed ****boxes and that their old farm truck style series landy's and defenders are the pinnacle of LR design and wisdom.

Around here we know that ALL landy's are good vehicles if well looked after. If JC can see the sense the rest will all come around sooner or later!

[TheTree]

If you were in Sydney, I might have been. I actually toyed with buying HRA when Hardy was selling. I was a keen and knowledgeable P38A owner back then. :D

Now a not so keen but still very knowledgeable one ? :D