Ownership of old news

[Pedro_The_Swift]

For one reason or another I was looking for details of the major semi-final between Sharkies and Wests in 1978,, only to find that SMH wants me to pay (again!) for that days reporting.
Which made me think about public information or our history if you prefer,,
I think its reasonable for a media company to own and charge for their product,,
but at some stage it must become public domain.

[Bushie]

I think it's 60 years, so you'll be able to get it in 2038 :D:D:D.


Martyn

[87County]

Here you go Pedro,

Rugby League Tables / Season 1978 (http://afltables.com/rl/seas/1978.html)


now that wasn't too hard was it ? :)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

no,, but can you tell me why our Captain Greg Pierce and was sent off in the major semi against Wests?

[87County]

no,, but can you tell me why our Captain Greg Pierce and was sent off in the major semi against Wests?

Ahhh... You didn't add that complication in your post :)

My memory isn't quite that good any more but I'll see what I can find on the net.... All current thinking space seems to have be taken up with something or other called "State of Origin" :D

[87County]

Pedro, here's a bit of a (white) pointer :)

Greg Pierce sent off in major semi-final vs Wests, 1978 (http://www.sharksforever.com/forums/showthread.php?1036-Greg-Pierce-sent-off-in-major-semi-final-vs-Wests-1978)

and

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/27/1096137170516.html?from=moreStories

so that's how Manly won, eh?

[87County]

In case you cannot access the smh link here is the article..



Grand Final top five: Suspensions
By Roy Masters
September 28, 2004
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The top five suspensions for grand finals:

1 Arthur Beetson 1969: Artie was forced to sit out the most memorable day in Tigers history when Balmain beat Souths 11-2 in the 1969 grand final. Beetson was sent off in the major semi-final against Souths - which his team lost 14-13 - and charged with punching Souths lock Ron Coote. He was suspended for two matches, missing the preliminary final and grand final.

2 Steve Roach 1988: Blocker was outed for four matches following the Tigers' play-off win over Penrith, having been found guilty of attacking the head of Penrith five-eighth Chris Mortimer. Balmain then rushed Roach to England to "play" for Warrington, where he could serve two matches of his four-match suspension before flying back for the grand final. The league, however, ruled Roach out and the Tigers lost to Canterbury, 24-12.

3 Greg Pierce 1978: Pierce, the Sharks' captain, was sent off in the team's semi-final win over Wests and charged with a deliberate, late head-high tackle after an incident involving Magpie John Donnelly. Pierce not only missed the grand final against Manly, but also the replay after the original decider ended in an 11-11 draw. Manly won the replay 16-0.

4 Steve Bowden 1981: The big Newtown prop was sent off in the minor semi-final against Manly, missing the Jets' grand-final loss to Parramatta. His punch-up with Manly's Mark Broadhurst, a New Zealand Test prop and Kiwi boxer, demonstrated that Bowden could easily have become heavyweight champion of the Shaky Isles had he been born across the Tasman.

5 Jim Serdaris 1997: Judiciary chairman Alan Sullivan acknowledged the panel had inflicted a "personal tragedy" on Jim Serdaris by banning the hooker from playing in the 1997 grand final. Serdaris was suspended after the judiciary found he had acted carelessly in a tackle in the semi-final on Sydney City's Simon Bonetti. Serdaris said he would be prepared to pay a fine of $10,000 or more to be able to take the field against Newcastle. He didn't and the Knights won 22-16.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Any of you youngsters that complain about the standard of todays refs obviously never sat through the '78 season matches officiated by Greg Hartley:censored::censored::censored::censored:
Two semi finals coaches (of the losing sides against Manly) wanted the matches annulled due to Heartlys mistakes costing them the game,, Which the NSWRL actually ruled on!
Manly scored twice on the 7th tackle during those games.
:censored:

[Redback]

For one reason or another I was looking for details of the major semi-final between Sharkies and Wests in 1978,, only to find that SMH wants me to pay (again!) for that days reporting.
Which made me think about public information or our history if you prefer,,
I think its reasonable for a media company to own and charge for their product,,
but at some stage it must become public domain.

Here ya go Pete;

On Friday, the Rabbitohs and the Roosters played off for the minor premiership in the last round for the first time since 1978, with the Roosters taking out the prize.
A lot has happened in rugby league over the past 35 years, but the 1978 finals series still stands up as one of the most dramatic in the game's history.
It was an era of the final five, with Wests and Cronulla clashing to sort out positions one and two in the final round. Wests won 18-17, a dramatic game which clinched them top spot. It was the last game they won that season.
The Sharks finished second, above Manly on for and against. Parramatta and Canterbury filled fourth and fifth spot. Easts had a chance to force their way into the top five in the last round, but were beaten 20-10 by the Sea Eagles at the Sydney Sports Ground.
Cronulla and Manly faced each other in the opening semi-final on the last Saturday in August at the SCG. It was the first time the two teams had played each other in a finals game since the infamous 1973 grand final, one of the most spiteful and violent grand finals of all time.
On this day, the Sharks triumphed 17-12 to book a date with the Magpies in the major semi-final the following week. Oddly, Manly led 1-0 for most of the first half courtesy of a Johnny Gibbs field goal.
The following day, Parramatta and Canterbury played the sudden death game and the Bulldogs, inspired by a seemingly untouchable halfback called Steve Mortimer, raced to a 15-7 lead midway through the second half.
Then one of those names that sticks in the memory for some unknown reason turned the game on its head. Previously unheralded reserve Glenn Horton came on for the Eels and scored two tries, helping the Eels surge to a late 22-15 victory and an appointment with the Sea Eagles the following Sunday.
Week two of the finals started on the Saturday with Cronulla avenging their last round loss to the Magpies, triumphing 14-10. That put the Sharks into the grand final. And then the drama really began.
Parramatta comfortably led their elimination semi final 13-3 against the Sea Eagles. Manly rallied late and two tries in the last 15 minutes of the game resulted in a 13-13 draw. There was no extra time, a replay was scheduled for the following Wednesday at the SCG.
It was school holidays, so maybe every teacher and schoolkid decided to head to the daytime kick-off as more than 50,000 fans crammed the SCG to watch a game now steeped in folklore. (Ironically, the SCG had its floodlights installed only a couple of months later).
Parramatta led 11-2 before Manly fought back again, to finally win 17-11 on the day. Parramatta officials had complained that referee Greg Hartley had allowed the Sea Eagles to keep the ball for seven tackles in the lead-up to a try in the drawn match three days earlier.
Now, in the post-match hysteria of the replayed game, they made the claim again ? that Hartley had twice miscounted the tackles to the advantage of the Sea Eagles. The Eels lodged a protest at the result, which the NSWRL dismissed, allowing Manly to face Wests in the preliminary final the following Saturday.
It was the resumption of a rivalry that had been manipulated into a form of class warfare by Wests coach Roy Masters. The ?Fibros? of Wests versus the ?Silvertails? of Manly, with a spot in the grand final on the line.
Wests were favourites to win. They were the minor premiers and had played one game in two weeks, so were theoretically well-rested.
The Sea Eagles were about to take the field for the fourth time in a fortnight. A brutal physical contest, albeit without the all-out brawling that had been a trademark of previous clashes between the two, saw Manly emerge victors 14-7.
September 16, 1978. Grand final day.
In the pre-match entertainment, two parachutists floated down towards a target on the halfway line of the SCG, one in the colours of the Sharks, the other trailing the Sea Eagles? maroon and white. Each parachutist landed about a metre either side of the target, and legendary Channel Seven commentator Rex Mossop declared, ?Bless my soul, is that an omen? Surely we're not going to have another draw??
We did. The two sides drew 11-11, despite a late attempted field goal from Steve Rogers that would have clicked that porch light off for Harold Holt and given the Sharks the title.
As 1978 was a Kangaroo tour year, the teams couldn't wait seven days to replay the grand final. It was another midweek game, this time on the Tuesday.
School holidays had finished but teachers kept transistors in the top drawer of their desks, and fed us schoolkids score updates.
Manly won the match 16-0, their sixth game in 24 days. Perhaps the current side might remember those amazing deeds when lamenting possible four-day turnarounds this season.
The last time two teams met in the last round of the premiership to decide positions one and two, it foreshadowed an unforgettable series.
Maybe we're headed for some more great memories in the next few weeks.

[DiscoMick]

Click on this link, then click on the PDF link and you'll get an explanation:


Duration of Copyright (http://www.copyright.org.au/acc_prod/ACC/Information_Sheets/Duration_of_Copyright.aspx?WebsiteKey=8a471e74-3f78-4994-9023-316f0ecef4ef)


Basically, it used to be 50 years, but now its 70 years, as I read it.

[rick130]

Any of you youngsters that complain about the standard of todays refs obviously never sat through the '78 season matches officiated by Greg Hartley:censored::censored::censored::censored:
Two semi finals coaches (of the losing sides against Manly) wanted the matches annulled due to Heartlys mistakes costing them the game,, Which the NRL(?) actually ruled on!
Manly scored twice on the 7th tackle during those games.
:censored:


We all loved to hate him, unless you were a Manly supporter :D

Of course I was only a youngster then m'self, still in short pants. :p