advantages of a 110 over a rover or disco

[85 county]

advantages of a 110 over a rover or disco


Bonnet is a better platform for changing nappies

[pop058]

When you say "rover", which one ??

[Didge]

You can spill your beer in it and no one will curse you. Wife cant be heard over the excessive noise.

[cuppabillytea]

Wife won't even get in it. (Except to avoid getting mud in her X5.)

[Didge]

Haha- neither will mine :)

[85 county]

down side, you have to fight your way though bus loads of Chinese/ Japanese camera holders.


there is a servo/ shop just before innes national park. we had been fishing at browns bay for a few days. stopped at the servo, two bus loads of asian tourists gathered around with there cameras click click. i start to brew up. my mate ( Russian guy) grabs the axe and head back up the road to an early morning road kill, hacks off the tail and starts walking back. one of the bussdrivers tell his clients that will be there lunch. they scattererd LOL

[jimr1]

You can put a mug of tea on the guard , or can while working on It , plus you can slide under a 110 easy , that's if you need too !!.. Jim..

[JDNSW]

As stated, the flat, horizontal, front mudguards make a good place to put your fencing (or other) tools while you are working, saves bending down to pick them up off the ground.

John

[Chenz]

Multi Purpose bonnet and guards

Table for lunch and morning tea
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Rifle sighting platform
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/05/141.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pc8ntEWSj)
Handy access platform for changing a fanbelt
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/05/142.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/eyfIQYxrj)[/IMG]

[Ancient Mariner]

Till we bought some skis we used to tow a series 1 bonnet for a wake board behind the boat on the Normanby river :) A 110 bonnet with a rounded front would be much better:D

[DiscoMick]

When you drive through a river there's no carpet to get soggy.
Hyundai Getz's hide in fear when they see you coming across the car park.
Parking by reversing until it bumps is easier.
No one disputes your right to a parking space.

[85 county]

Till we bought some skis we used to tow a series 1 bonnet for a wake board behind the boat on the Normanby river :) A 110 bonnet with a rounded front would be much better:D


na series are alloy`, 110 id fibreglass

[Ancient Mariner]

na series are alloy`, 110 id fibreglass
The early models are tunnel hull only the pregnant ones are fibre glass:D

[PAT303]

Multi Purpose bonnet and guards

Table for lunch and morning tea
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/661/S0UNzt.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/idS0UNztj)
Rifle sighting platform
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/05/141.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pc8ntEWSj)
Handy access platform for changing a fanbelt
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/05/142.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/eyfIQYxrj)

How many Land Rover owners does it take to change a fan belt :p. Pat

[jimr1]

How many Land Rover owners does it take to change a fan belt :p. Pat
I'd say two , plus a bit of technical support team , to make sure It didn't go on backwards !!.. Jim :D

[carlschmid2002]

advantages of a 110 over a rover or disco


Bonnet is a better platform for changing nappies

Tailgate on a D3 is good for that too and you can adjust the height. Thats when there is no dog hair on the carpet.

[DiscoMick]

The rear suspension doesn't drag the bum on the ground when you load the back up with bricks and firewood.

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[DiscoMick]

advantages of a 110 over a rover or disco


Bonnet is a better platform for changing nappies

I'm a grandparent now, so I don't do nappies any more, I just hand them back to the ones whose own nappies I changed in the past.

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[Didge]

Oooh that's sosoooo good Mick, I'm hoping to be not far from that myself :)

[Pedro_The_Swift]

The rear suspension doesn't drag the bum on the ground when you load the back up with bricks and firewood.

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non bum dragging is not a reason post 1998;):D

[Grumbles]

The 110s advantages are pretty simple.

Street Cred when out and about on the black top.........and even more so is the Bush Cred when out in the scrub.

[V8Ian]

Been racking my brain since Thursday, can't think of any. :( Discos rule. :p

[PAT303]

I got into an argument with Isuzurover over this,the fact is the RRC chassis is the best ever made period,like a rabbit,the deeper you throw it into the blackberries the better it looks. Pat

[V8Ian]

All in good fun and TiC, Pat. Some take everything far too seriously. :confused:

[PAT303]

Every one knows defender drivers are real men,compared to those Latte sipping disco drivers :twisted:. Pat

[rocket scientist]

I got into an argument with Isuzurover over this,the fact is the RRC chassis is the best ever made period,like a rabbit,the deeper you throw it into the blackberries the better it looks. Pat

I would never part with my isuzu 110, but having owned a couple of RRC, I agree thy are unbeatable in the rough stuff. I miss the room in the front of a 2 door RR.

[rick130]

non bum dragging is not a reason post 1998;):D


Or an old RRC with a (working !) load leveller. :D





oops. :angel:

[rick130]

Every one knows defender drivers are real men,compared to those Latte sipping disco drivers :twisted:. Pat



Yeah, what he said !
Disco drivers are man scapers ! :p















I'm pretty partial to a piccolo latte personally, and a good chai latte made with real tea and spices can't be beat.
Both need to be made with full cream, non homogenised and preferably organic milk. :D

What was the discussion again ?

[rick130]

The 110s advantages are pretty simple.

Street Cred when out and about on the black top.........and even more so is the Bush Cred when out in the scrub.


This.



I had a wealthy (is there any other sort ?) American polo player ask me once "Is that your Land Rover ? Nice truck, man"
My old Deefer hasn't got a straight panel and works for a living.

[Chenz]

How many Land Rover owners does it take to change a fan belt :p. Pat

As it so happens, on this occasion, 2. ShortyNSW and I were the designated workers, Bushie was technical adviser and Numpty is fascinated by strange objects that we let him play with. In this case the fanbelt.

On the road out of Eungella national park on a very foggy morning.

[bob10]

The Defender has the runs on the board, and every LR addict wants one. For me , the Disco has the attraction of driving off road, with certain Japanese makes, and being told " you'll never make that, mate. " Then doing it. I love the looks on the faces then. Bob

[Didge]

Yeah, what he said !
Disco drivers are man scapers ! :p
I'm pretty partial to a piccolo latte personally, and a good chai latte made with real tea and spices can't be beat.
Both need to be made with full cream, non homogenised and preferably organic milk. :D

What was the discussion again ?

Mmmhh, I'm partial to a nice rack, long legs and a vacant look in her eyes - but each to their own :)

Anyway, seriously Defenders have a cult following - why? Cos it's a religious thing that actually makes sense :)
Discos, RR's and Jap crap don't - why? , cos it makes sense :)

[Ancient Mariner]

A track for an awning pop riveted either side on a Fender roof doesn't look to far outa place:D:angel:

[PAT303]

Yeah, what he said !
Disco drivers are man scapers ! :p















I'm pretty partial to a piccolo latte personally, and a good chai latte made with real tea and spices can't be beat.
Both need to be made with full cream, non homogenised and preferably organic milk. :D

What was the discussion again ?

I don't know you anymore :p. Pat

[Disco Muppet]

The Defender has the runs on the board, and every LR addict wants one. For me , the Disco has the attraction of driving off road, with certain Japanese makes, and being told " you'll never make that, mate. " Then doing it. I love the looks on the faces then. Bob

You mean like the look on your face when a disco sport makes the cape? ;)

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[cuppabillytea]

When you drive a Defender everybody loves you......A bit like being in heaven really and they don't care what you drink.

[BMKal]

A track for an awning pop riveted either side on a Fender roof doesn't look to far outa place:D:angel:

Neither does a corrugated iron "safari" roof. :p

[carlschmid2002]

When you drive a Defender everybody loves you......A bit like being in heaven really and they don't care what you drink.

Somebodies got to. Your backside doesn't, neither do your ears, knees get a bit sore and the back of your trousers is probably not too happy about the hole you just ripped in them on the door latch. :)

[Disco Muppet]

The best part about owning a defender is the hoard of other insecure defender owners who jump in to back you up when you feel the need to start yet another thread about why defenders are better than others land rovers :D
Whereas Disco and Rangie owners just quietly get on with life, all the while happily sipping whichever beverage they choose from the comfort of their quiet and capable 4WD ;)
And if you think things like the classic RR doesn't have a cult following then perhaps you're 10mm short of a full socket set.... :p
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[DiscoMick]

The best thing about being a Defender owner is you don't need to say anything to defend your choice of buying a Defender - one look and most people just automatically 'get' it.

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[85 county]

after school today. coles carpark,

another kids from my boys class was in the car park with his mum, we know each other and the boys wanted to swap POKEMON cards ( sheesh) so i left him with her and raced into coles.

come out and there are 5 boys on the roof rack and 3 mom's screaming at there kids to get down.

that's not the fun bit


6 cars down was a pootroll, with a boy and a girl also from the same school, jumping up and down on the roof, monkey see monkey do.

i didn't realise pootroll roofs are so thin??? TONK!!!

i do not approve of the sort of language that pootroll drives use on the children.

[bob10]

You mean like the look on your face when a disco sport makes the cape? ;)

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I guess it depends which track you take, but I knew a bloke who took a Combi van to the Cape. [ He had the photos to back it up.] Kind of deflating, in a way. Bob

[carlschmid2002]

I guess it depends which track you take, but I knew a bloke who took a Combi van to the Cape. [ He had the photos to back it up.] Kind of deflating, in a way. Bob

A few years ago Mazda did a trip up there with a few journos in Mazda 6s. If you stick to the Development Road its not hard. I think they had some rally style tyres and that is all.

[benji]

The best thing out owning one would be the ability to plough a paddock with the diff center wouldn't it.....hissssssss :p

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[85 county]

The best thing out owning one would be the ability to plough a paddock with the diff center wouldn't it.....hissssssss :p

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not if you know how to shave down under, so how hairy is your life partner??

[steane]

You can pull the transmission tunnel out in about 10 minutes. ;)

Or at least I can as I've now done it four times in 6 weeks :censored:. Currently down at PCB for the fourth attempt (Peter's first attempt) to put an input seal in the TC without it leaking afterwards.

I'd almost contemplate swapping the 110 for a Disco about now :(

Not really :p

[LandyAndy]

Being a Defender owner,one never has to worry about shaving their knuckles;););););)
I often worry about hair on my knuckles,doesnt look right whilst sipping latte:p:p:p:p:p
Andrew

[85 county]

You can pull the transmission tunnel out in about 10 minutes. ;)

Or at least I can as I've now done it four times in 6 weeks :censored:. Currently down at PCB for the fourth attempt (Peter's first attempt) to put an input seal in the TC without it leaking afterwards.

I'd almost contemplate swapping the 110 for a Disco about now :(

Not really :p

is this the seal between GB and TC??

[steane]

is this the seal between GB and TC??

Correct, the one in the TC. GB side seems to be okay.

GB and TC are rebuild Ashcroft items. Their seal leaked along with two others since.

[bee utey]

Correct, the one in the TC. GB side seems to be okay.

GB and TC are rebuild Ashcroft items. Their seal leaked along with two others since.
I'm assuming you used two guide pins (M10 x 150 headless bolts) to prevent seal damage from contacting the splines on the way in?

[FeatherWeightDriver]

A mud covered Discovery looks good in the line up of cars waiting to pick up kids after school.

But a mud covered Defender looks better... ;):)

[steane]

I'm assuming you used two guide pins (M10 x 150 headless bolts) to prevent seal damage from contacting the splines on the way in?

Used 4 the first time, we assembled with gb out of the vehice. Next two times it wasn't done by me so possibly not. Gb was not removed.

[rar110]

After owning/driving either an Isuzu 110 county or perentie for about 15 years, and a RRV tdv8 for 6 mths I am a convert to TR technology.

There's no doubt what so ever the 110 looks more authentic and is very capable off road. I get nearly as many birds in the RRV vs waves in the 110. Despite looks the looks the TR LR does as good or better job off road, and much better on road. I admit the electronics won't survive as long as the mechanical alternative Isuzu 110.

For me the on road performance and comfort became a higher priority. If simplicity and off road capability is the priority the 110 is probably the vehicle of choice.

[Disco Muppet]

Lets face it, we all know Land Rover is where it's at :cool:
Disco, Defender, Rangie, hell, even the Freelander.
They're all good in their own ways.
Green Oval for life yo :cool:

[JDNSW]

While the 110 (or the 2a) are my regular drives, over the last six months I have driven a number of more 'modern' vehicles - particularly my son's I-30, the Disco 2, a current model Patrol, and a few others.

The one thing that is outstanding about the 110 compared to all the others, is the visibility from the driver's seat. All the others have 'A' pillars wider than the distance between my eyes, so there is a blind spot right where you look for traffic at intersections, and the bonnet is such that when I start into the creek crossing near my front gate the road disappears (except the Disco). And as for rearward vision - they all compare very badly, particularly the quartering vision.

Parking - at least in the 110 you can see the front corners, although the Disco is not too bad.

And, as I have mentioned elsewhere, with the near vertical glass, the 110 does not get nearly as hot when parked in the sun as the others do.

John

[DiscoMick]

No way I'd put a load of firewood or bricks in the back of anything except a 110.

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[Disco Muppet]

Don't be a sook :p
Have loaded the back of my d2 up with firewood plenty of times. Solid timber and muddy rotten stuff.
I just give it a good clean out afterwards and its all good :)
Even the poms do it!

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[DiscoMick]

Don't be a sook :p
Have loaded the back of my d2 up with firewood plenty of times. Solid timber and muddy rotten stuff.
I just give it a good clean out afterwards and its all good :)
Even the poms do it!

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I had firewood and bricks in the back of our D1 a few times, but it tended to be a lot harder to keep the back clean than in the Defender.
Next time one of the grandkids throws up, I'll see how I go getting it clean.

[benji]

I've had sand in the back of my classic up to the bottom line of the windows.
Just laid a tarp down....it was kinda heavy though.

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[Bob Harding]

I think the main advantage is

Many thousands of dollars cheaper

For the same end result on a rough

Bush track or worse

[Disco Muppet]

I can buy a good disco for less than $7-8k. Couple grand on offroad gear. Still in front of your average 110.
Next question ;)

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[Tombie]

While the 110 (or the 2a) are my regular drives, over the last six months I have driven a number of more 'modern' vehicles - particularly my son's I-30, the Disco 2, a current model Patrol, and a few others.

The one thing that is outstanding about the 110 compared to all the others, is the visibility from the driver's seat. All the others have 'A' pillars wider than the distance between my eyes, so there is a blind spot right where you look for traffic at intersections, and the bonnet is such that when I start into the creek crossing near my front gate the road disappears (except the Disco). And as for rearward vision - they all compare very badly, particularly the quartering vision.

Parking - at least in the 110 you can see the front corners, although the Disco is not too bad.

And, as I have mentioned elsewhere, with the near vertical glass, the 110 does not get nearly as hot when parked in the sun as the others do.

John

Best part of a Defender is at night - the ability to look out the front windscreen by using the rear view mirror :angel:

The Pilot & Captain can see the bow of the QEII as well... still doesnt make it easy to get into a parking spot..

And in the local Shopping centre, good luck getting in and out in a 110... Even the 90 struggles... :o

Thats lucky... Because they dont cool down anywhere are easily either... ;)

[DiscoMick]

I can buy a good disco for less than $7-8k. Couple grand on offroad gear. Still in front of your average 110.
Next question ;)

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There's a reason why 110s cost more than Discos.

[Disco Muppet]

Yes, absurdly over inflated prices.
However if the team defender crowd is going to argue they're cheaper than a discovery, they can't just build one flawed argument on top of the corpse of the old one :D
They're both good. No doubt.
What happened Mick. You used to be cool :p

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[DiscoMick]

Actually, the reason I was thinking of was there are a lot more Discos than Defenders around the place. Am I cool again?

[squizzyhunter]

:D

You get to learn mechanics :eek::eek:

:wasntme:


A couple of years ago I started a thread on this as I have wanted a defender since I was 12 years old but found it hard to justify the price differnce from the disco (D1 vs 300tdi) which can be around 80% more (when I was looking anyways). I bought a defender and do love it but wanted to make sure I wasnt spending thousands of $$ I didnt have on just a romanticised preference..... as at that stage I needed to justify spending the extra $$ to my now ex partner. It really distilled down to that I wanted it to cart a large heavy load over broken terrain = Deefer
Also I sleep in the back every weekend that I can :D

Here is the old thread
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/general-chat/185044-facts-disco-vs-defender.html

[Disco Muppet]

Actually, the reason I was thinking of was there are a lot more Discos than Defenders around the place. Am I cool again?

Micks always cool :cool:

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[DiscoMick]

Thanks.
I think there's a good chance that, after Defender production stops, they will become even more desirable and cooler.
I read a recent magazine story which recommended the Puma Defenders as good investments because they have relatively modern mechanicals for reliability and ability, but still look iconic.

[cafe latte]

Every one knows defender drivers are real men,compared to those Latte sipping disco drivers :twisted:. Pat
Someone mention Latte??
Cafe Latte (Defender driver :D)

[DiscoMick]

Someone mention Latte??
Cafe Latte (Defender driver :D)



I like a decaf soy skinny caramel latte myself, stirred anti-clockwise, made with the Best Columbian Arabica.

[gusthedog]

At least when I fill up the back of the disco with bricks or tow a trailer of any weight, it always sits level with sls. But then I'm also comfortable, drier, dust free and at least $10 grand better off than if I owned a 110 of the same year. :cool: Oh, and my panels come "straight" from the factory too :D

[FeatherWeightDriver]

Someone mention Latte??
Cafe Latte (Defender driver :D)

lol - that's not what I expected... :D

[cuppabillytea]

Come on people! Discos are great. I think I'll get one for the Missus.

[Blknight.aus]

The real truth of what makes driving a defender better than a disco or rangie...

Theres only a very small number of drivers who can look down their noses at you and call you a hypocritical luxury optioned technology dependant softy for doing the same thing to other drivers.

The series driver..

[Disco Muppet]

Yeah but you can say what you want back to the Series drivers, because it's not like they can hear you anyway :p

[Didge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08NkaqoOELg

say no more :D

[cafe latte]

Today I told a friend I had bought a Defender. He went on to tell me how he heard from a friend of a friend the the bull dust kills wheel bearings of Landies (I never read anyone with that problem myself). How the gearbox explodes when you tow... Yet I dont hear of any of this on the forums.. Someone at my range basically told me come and talk to him after I have towed and I would think differently. He went on about a Landie he had years ago (Totally different car!!).
Get yourself a Defender you wont be sorry, there is so much Landie BS on the net, coffee type optional :D.
Chris

[jimr1]

Chris those of us that have had Defenders for a long time have heard all this before . A friend of a friend said this and that , or said that . I've been told more than once back axles snap . They used to , that was before the Salisbury came along . Series 3 about 1970 !!.. Jim

[tact]

Defender better than a disco/rr:

I bought mine brand new. No qualms giving it Malaysian jungle pinstripes (scratches all over) from day 1.

Would cry just getting a brand new RR or Disco dirty...

[steane]

At least when I fill up the back of the disco with bricks or tow a trailer of any weight, it always sits level with sls. But then I'm also comfortable, drier, dust free and at least $10 grand better off than if I owned a 110 of the same year. :cool: Oh, and my panels come "straight" from the factory too :D

I can feel the depreciation from here :p

[Tombie]

Come on people! Discos are great. I think I'll get one for the Missus.


Well... I got the little lady a Defender...

[Tombie]

The real truth of what makes driving a defender better than a disco or rangie...

Theres only a very small number of drivers who can look down their noses at you and call you a hypocritical luxury optioned technology dependant softy for doing the same thing to other drivers.

The series driver..


Settle down Dave..

My D4 doesn't even have a Sun Roof, Sat Nav or BT audio...

The Defender has Cruise Control, BT audio, Hands Free and a Sun Roof... And seat heaters... Bloody softy! :D

[Tombie]

I shared the love and moved my Defender on to a lovely chap from Perth...

His son is a pretty good bloke too....

[1nando]

I think the question you are asking is a bit like:
Why is a work horse better than a thoroughbred or a stallion?

They are all different, each one with gifted ability for different applications.

Thoroughbreds are built more for the track rather than hard work. Bit like the disco. Can go off road, but it really belongs on road. It's 4wd capability is second to its excellent road ability and excellent comfort levels.

Stallions are male horses that have not been castrated, strong and muscular they are know for their aggressiveness. Bit like the range rover. Big, strong and a massive motor make it the stallion of the LR brand. It's screams status and demands respect.

A workhorse doesn't really impress anyone except his owner. He plots along never tiring, never giving up. He's always up for work and backs it up day after day. He isn't very good on a race track, and he isn't a macho muscular beast he's just my work horse.

My 2 cents, hope you like the analogy guys ;)

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[carlschmid2002]

I think the question you are asking is a bit like:
Why is a work horse better than a thoroughbred or a stallion?

They are all different, each one with gifted ability for different applications.

Thoroughbreds are built more for the track rather than hard work. Bit like the disco. Can go off road, but it really belongs on road. It's 4wd capability is second to its excellent road ability and excellent comfort levels.

Stallions are male horses that have not been castrated, strong and muscular they are know for their aggressiveness. Bit like the range rover. Big, strong and a massive motor make it the stallion of the LR brand. It's screams status and demands respect.

A workhorse doesn't really impress anyone except his owner. He plots along never tiring, never giving up. He's always up for work and backs it up day after day. He isn't very good on a race track, and he isn't a macho muscular beast he's just my work horse.

My 2 cents, hope you like the analogy guys ;)

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I am pretty happy in my Thoroughbred with the air suspension, comfy seats, overtaking ability and a stereo I can hear. The work horse had its day but its time to move on.

[Tombie]

Cute analogy... That would make a Defender a Gelding :)

Obedient and made for a purpose....

[1nando]

I am pretty happy in my Thoroughbred with the air suspension, comfy seats, overtaking ability and a stereo I can hear. The work horse had its day but its time to move on.

Maybe so, but the workhorse will wake up tomorrow and keeping going. He does not not need music, comfort or luxuries to keep him enthusiastic, he knows his role.
Your thoroughbred is comfortable and luxurious but how willing is to go on a journey that might include some of the roughest and toughest terrain that could possibly be thrown at it? How will you feel when your air and independent susprnsion leave you wishing you had live axles? When your body work rubs up against bush/brush? When your poor axle clearance with tiny tires leave you stranded?
The answer to those questions is probably the same way I'd feel if I took my 110 on a beautiful open road with winding corners. Or maybe the same way I'd feel on a 37 degree day stuck in traffic.

You see, I'm not in any way putting down discos or rangies. Neither am I saying a defender is superior, simply different horse's for different courses.

Had he compared the 110 to a 76 series then we would have two vehicles that are both work horses, but that wasn't the question!

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[85 county]

ok maybe i started thith thread with a slightly misleading title.


it should read, advantages of a 110 over a rover or disco or Defender :D

[Didge]

?????where does that leave us Defender 110 owners????? :D
Perhaps County over the rest?
thith?
:D

[Disco Muppet]

Accelerated Tinnitus, free extra, non optional.
:p

[Didge]

MMMmmhhh - there is no County "advantage" over Defender no matter what anyone says! The door handles alone are enough to negate any other advantage any one could dream up!

Hey DM, no option to thankyou for your comment :D hahaha

[85 county]

?????where does that leave us Defender 110 owners????? :D
Perhaps County over the rest?
thith?
:D


i guess it leaves you with your weak diffs, copper wiring and thin alloy and even thinner chassis??

[85 county]

Accelerated Tinnitus, free extra, non optional.
:p

how could that be so? even tested my members on this site, same as a 300tdi. so its a mith

[85 county]

MMMmmhhh - there is no County "advantage" over Defender no matter what anyone says! The door handles alone are enough to negate any other advantage any one could dream up!

Hey DM, no option to thankyou for your comment :D hahaha

ah you mean those plastic sticky out things mounted on thin ally that ether get ripped off by the first stick or the locks fall out of??

[tact]

ok maybe i started thith thread with a slightly misleading title.


it should read, advantages of a 110 over a rover or disco or Defender :D

So it's "divide and conquer" is it!? :D

Of course the best of the best, series/110/defender, is the TDCi. And the best of the TDCi's is undoubtedly the 2.2l model. No doubt Land Rover are ending the line on a high note - the best 4x4xFar by all measures.

[steane]

This County debate is a waste of time. It's a name change. The only difference that actually makes any difference is that County owners are even bigger tight-wads than other drivers of older Landys (hard to believe eh) so your average County looks like a steaming pile of you know what. :p But hey the panels are thicker and the chassis rusts extraordinarily well.

The best Defender is clearly the 300TDi.;)

It is the last of the genuine no electrics Expedition vehicles. It's coveted in the UK and the USA and as with most things it's just taking a while for AUS to catch up. We are still banging on about a handful of Isuzu powered Countys as if driving an old rattly, noisy truck is something to aspire to :p

I'm not at all biased either :angel:

As much as I'd love (and nearly recently bought before commonsense took over and a new Pajero joined us) a new Defender, they seem to have attracted a new owner type. They don't seem to know anything about their car, will probably never work on them themselves but just like driving around and waving to other Defenders.

They are the Pretender Defender Owners and they are everywhere as the last of the Defenders are snapped up.

So clearly the 2.2 Puma, while extremely appealing, is a Defender soft-roader. It's developing a reputation for getting it's owners to the cafe for breakfast and to the wine bar for that nice Shiraz and a bit of Jazz.

The Discos... D1 and D2. Just look at them. That's all you have to do. Look at them once and you'll understand why they are worth about $3.50 and appeal to hardly anyone.

D3 is certainly an improvement and a V8 HSE has a certain appeal. But that aura of unreliability hangs over the D3 like a low cloud on a cold day.

D4. Now you are talking. But too expensive and staying a step ahead of the neighbours shouldn't have to cost this much.

Which gets me back to the 300TDi Defender. It's the raw essence of a Land Rover. It belongs on jungle trails and desert tracks and will always be driven by really cool guys with beards, that can fly planes, drive trucks and fix anything with a nail and some gum.

It is THE Defender. If you want to look super cool at the local wine bar then it's the 300TDi that will do the job. It looks, feels, sounds and smells authentic, because it is. The cloud of smoke on start-up is the party trick. It's like getting out and having a wee on the pavement, in front of people, without a care in the world.

Pretender it's not. It's the real deal.

What was this thread about again?

[AndyG]

Cute analogy... That would make a Defender a Gelding :)

Obedient and made for a purpose....

I was thinking Clydesdale, or is that a 101

[AndyG]

Queens Birthday weekend, Military vehicle gathering, guy jumps out of his Willys Jeep, walks past the Disco's and Rangies and drools all over the Defender, then mentions sadly he has a Prado at home.

Nuth said

[85 county]

So it's "divide and conquer" is it!? :D
.


na just home alone and bored:angel:

[Disco Muppet]

... as if driving an old rattly, noisy truck is something to aspire to :p

:lol2: :lol2: good to see you have more than a functional grasp on the concept of irony :p

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[1nando]

Queens Birthday weekend, Military vehicle gathering, guy jumps out of his Willys Jeep, walks past the Disco's and Rangies and drools all over the Defender, then mentions sadly he has a Prado at home.

Nuth said

Lol....

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[AndyG]

Meanwhile i was drooling over the 101's, the Pinzgauer, and and stuff, off topic, but there is cool and then there is cool.

Not a plastic dash for miles:p

[steane]

:lol2: :lol2: good to see you have more than a functional grasp on the concept of irony :p

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Thought you'd like that ;)

[Disco Muppet]

Very good :D

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[Tombie]

Maybe so, but the workhorse will wake up tomorrow and keeping going. He does not not need music, comfort or luxuries to keep him enthusiastic, he knows his role.
Your thoroughbred is comfortable and luxurious but how willing is to go on a journey that might include some of the roughest and toughest terrain that could possibly be thrown at it? How will you feel when your air and independent susprnsion leave you wishing you had live axles? When your body work rubs up against bush/brush? When your poor axle clearance with tiny tires leave you stranded?
The answer to those questions is probably the same way I'd feel if I took my 110 on a beautiful open road with winding corners. Or maybe the same way I'd feel on a 37 degree day stuck in traffic.

You see, I'm not in any way putting down discos or rangies. Neither am I saying a defender is superior, simply different horse's for different courses.

Had he compared the 110 to a 76 series then we would have two vehicles that are both work horses, but that wasn't the question!

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Hahahaha. Your sense of humour is fantastic!

My panel work was bush striped under 2 days old..
My diff clearance is better than the defenders.
My suspension travel is greater than a Defender.
I've seen plenty of failed coil springs in the bush...

Regardless of load my D4 doesn't look like a dog with worms, and when empty or loaded rides like a magic carpet.

If the replacement Defender uses the same T5 platform it will be incredible.

[bob10]

Sitting back smiling, while AULRO members eat their young again. Another positive land rover post. Just surprised it hasn't been shunted off to another parallel universe. [ that trend seems to have stopped ] . I am really looking forward to the new family of land rovers, just hope there is a model within the average punters budget. Definitely the way forward, for land rover. Bob

[Disco Muppet]

We're all smiling in here Bob :)

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[1nando]

Hahahaha. Your sense of humour is fantastic!

My panel work was bush striped under 2 days old..
My diff clearance is better than the defenders.
My suspension travel is greater than a Defender.
I've seen plenty of failed coil springs in the bush...

Regardless of load my D4 doesn't look like a dog with worms, and when empty or loaded rides like a magic carpet.

If the replacement Defender uses the same T5 platform it will be incredible.

Maybe they'll use a magic carpet as the platform for the next defender.............so that's where LR went wrong........doh
I just wish my defender was a discovery, then I'd be like Aladdin or is it prince or Persia?
Lol

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[bob10]

We're all smiling in here Bob :)

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That's obvious.

[carlschmid2002]

I don't think us Discovery drivers need to bait them anymore. We can sit back and watch the County and Defender drivers fight it out.

[bob10]

I don't think us Discovery drivers need to bait them anymore. We can sit back and watch the County and Defender drivers fight it out.


1080 might do the trick. Bob

[V8Ian]

I don't think us Discovery drivers need to bait them anymore. We can sit back and watch the County and Defender drivers fight it out.
They were always on a hiding to nowhere. :D

[Tombie]

Amusing bit - County is just a trim level...

[85 county]

Amusing bit - County is just a trim level...

yes but it seems only to be mentioned by non 110 pilots, after all the title is 110 vers everyone else, IE the poofy bunch

[85 county]

i wonder, what ever happened to Dobbo and dulbird??

[Chops]

Ok, I'll bite :D

I've had both the D1 and D2, (both V8 Auto's :twisted:)
Now I have the 110 Crew Cab.

First off, I love my Latte's, so don't pick on me ;)
I've done a few K's in the Puma now, (110 funny enough :D) and I have to say, I'm far from being over the honeymoon stage, I'm soooo much in love with her :D .
So, the reason we bought the Puma as opposed to going the D3/D4, was so we could bolt stuff on,, load it up, with lots of water and fuel, and go far far away for a decent amount of time.
And guess what, it works. I'd hate to be drilling into a Disco or Rangie and have crap hanging off all over them. The Defender however is suited to that style, in fact, its almost expected that that will be done. Having said that, we just bought a camper trailer:whistling: :angel:

Cruising around for weeks at a time, the Disco's are just gorgeous, the "Ducks Guts" as they say. Comfy as, with all its gadgets and decent seats, as said earlier, no dust/water ingress. They just chew up the miles flawlessly.
Cruising around in the Defender. Even in the "new" Puma, its an iconic experience, people wave, I drive with the window down, feeling the wind in my moustache ;) I just love it.
But, I'm nowhere near as comfy as I was in the Disco :( I miss the V8 Auto, I miss cruise control, rear lecky windows (aircon for the dog ;)). But now I can take more stuff, whether needed or not, I can safely carry more fuel in the back, (no throwing smoke butts out from my car thanks very much ;)), and I just thoroughly enjoy the ride/drive.

Oh, I almost forgot, it does have a cup holder, so I can still have my latte` :D

[Didge]

......the back, (no throwing smoke butts out from my car thanks very much ;)), and I just thoroughly enjoy the ride/drive......

You were a tosser?? tsk, tsk :(

[Disco Muppet]

after all the title is 110 vers everyone else, IE the poofy bunch

Hmmm.
A group of macho men poncing around with their shirts off, getting muddy and complementing each other on their beards. :D
And you call us the poofy ones :lol2:
Not that there's anything wrong with that :D

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[cuppabillytea]

I'll bet Chops can drive a nine inch nail into an iron bark sleeper with one hit, because he sure knows how to hit a nail on the head.
My cup holder reeks of coffee albeit black and I don't take my shirt off anymore because people find the sight offensive.

[jimr1]

I've had lots of Land Rovers over the years . I fact they have been my vehicle of choice , going though the series models , into a County . I thought you know these Discovery 2s td5 are getting great wraps . So I brought one , It was a quantum leap to the County . I wont go into It's speck , but It did have just about every thing you could wont . Auto modern diesel engine , great economy ect .. But , and It is a big But , for all It's good point's It just wasn't the same to drive . I did like the td5 engine , but I liked the 110 , so I brought a 110 with a td5 engine " Ruby " . The td5 Disco has gone . I still have the county as well, It is very old now almost 30 years , what a vehicle this has been " called the Red Rooter " I will get a new Defender in a few weeks so I will have three . Because of economics It is just not practical to keep all three , so It will be time to say goodbye , my wife thinks I'm mad , maybe she's right !!.. Jim :(

[Chops]

......the back, (no throwing smoke butts out from my car thanks very much ;)), and I just thoroughly enjoy the ride/drive......

You were a tosser?? tsk, tsk :(


Absolutely not :mad: grrrr, my pet hate.
In fact, I've pulled over and told a mate to go back and pick his up after he threw it out the window of the car. India, one of the filthiest places going, I got into trouble for putting smoke butts in my pocket instead of on the ground.

[Chops]

Hmmm.
A group of macho men poncing around with their shirts off, getting muddy and complementing each other on their beards. :D
And you call us the poofy ones :lol2:
Not that there's anything wrong with that :D

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Its an age thing,,, we cant grow it on our noggins anymore, so what comes out of the face has to stay :angel:


I'll bet Chops can drive a nine inch nail into an iron bark sleeper with one hit, because he sure knows how to hit a nail on the head.
My cup holder reeks of coffee albeit black and I don't take my shirt off anymore because people find the sight offensive.

Same same,,, :(

[Disco Muppet]

I have nothing against beards Marcus, my dad looks like ZZ Top :D

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[cafe latte]

Absolutely not :mad: grrrr, my pet hate.
In fact, I've pulled over and told a mate to go back and pick his up after he threw it out the window of the car. India, one of the filthiest places going, I got into trouble for putting smoke butts in my pocket instead of on the ground.

I once saw someone throw still lit butt out of his car window on a motorway back in the UK. The butt bounced off a Police motorbike helmet visor :nazilock: The driver was of pulled over I would love to have seen how it ended I imagine the driver got booked big time :D
Chris

[85 county]

Its an age thing,,, we cant grow it on our noggins anymore, so what comes out of the face has to stay :angel:



Same same,,, :(

i just say im growing it for a transplant, better than using the stuff from around my ass.

[85 county]

Hmmm.
A group of macho men poncing around with their shirts off, getting muddy and complementing each other on their beards. :D
And you call us the poofy ones :lol2:
Not that there's anything wrong with that :D

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yeppa, better than sitting around in a CBD cafe sucking supper skinny choco mockos, talking about who spend more on there spandex and wax jobs.:D

[ramblingboy42]

yeppa, better than sitting around in a CBD cafe sucking supper skinny choco mockos, talking about who spend more on there spandex and wax jobs.:D

hmmm....mate.....next time I come through Adelaide in my poofy D2 , you should latch on the back and come with me into the desert......where we do thousands of k's across the worst corrugated roads.

you can be 3rd in the convoy (you won't be able to keep your windows open because of dust)

.....and we can extend our stops to 4hrs instead of our usual 1-2...because we are supremely comfortable.....

a few days of that and you will see the difference....

[85 county]

hmmm....mate.....next time I come through Adelaide in my poofy D2 , you should latch on the back and come with me into the desert......where we do thousands of k's across the worst corrugated roads.

you can be 3rd in the convoy (you won't be able to keep your windows open because of dust)

.....and we can extend our stops to 4hrs instead of our usual 1-2...because we are supremely comfortable.....

a few days of that and you will see the difference....

somebody needs to smack you on the elbo

[Disco Muppet]

yeppa, better than sitting around in a CBD cafe sucking supper skinny choco mockos, talking about who spend more on there spandex and wax jobs.:D

Don't be a hater :D

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[85 county]

Don't be a hater :D

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of a male wax job, Hell yes:D

[Fluids]

I have nothing against beards Marcus, my dad looks like ZZ Top :D Sent from my HTC One using AULRO mobile app


What! ... All three of them ? ;)

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[rick130]

yeppa, better than sitting around in a CBD cafe sucking supper skinny choco mockos, talking about who spend more on there spandex and wax jobs.:D


of a male wax job, Hell yes:D

:Rolling: Aah, the good ol B,S and C.

Just brings tears to the eyes saying it :D

[85 county]

:Rolling: Aah, the good ol B,S and C.

Just brings tears to the eyes saying it :D

BS&C ??? i thought i would be some thing like Balls Crack and back BCB, oh sheesh i have to wipe my eyes

[gusthedog]

BS&C ??? i thought i would be some thing like Balls Crack and back BCB, oh sheesh i have to wipe my eyes

BCS = Back, Crack n' Sack

:Rolling:

[85 county]

i think that killed the thread, all 110 owners are wiping there eyes.

every one else has gone quite because they are embarrassed to admit

in short they have been caught out.

[Disco Muppet]

If you'd like me to post a picture of my hairy nards in order to prove otherwise, you're going to remain disappointed :p :ban:

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[cuppabillytea]

There's a lot of mud slinging going on here. Who looks best covered in mud?

[gusthedog]

I had a dressing on my fixed inguinal hernia changed yesterday which involved tearing off most of my pubes. Safe to say after that experience that you won't see me getting a BCS. EVER!!!!:D TMI? :o

[DiscoMick]

I had a dressing on my fixed inguinal hernia changed yesterday which involved tearing off most of my pubes. Safe to say after that experience that you won't see me getting a BCS. EVER!!!!:D TMI? :o

As my students would say, "Ewww! Gross."


Back on the topic, I can't see myself ever carrying bags of goat poo in the back of a Disco or Rangie, but I have done it in the 110.

[Disco Muppet]

Disco looks good dirty and looks good clean.
Defenders look good covered in mud because it covers all the wonky panels and once it dries the cabin becomes relatively airtight :D
Pricey....tmi mate :p but ouch.

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[DiscoMick]

Disco looks good dirty and looks good clean.
Defenders look good covered in mud because it covers all the wonky panels and once it dries the cabin becomes relatively airtight :D
Pricey....tmi mate :p but ouch.

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'Airtight' and Defender are rarely used in the same sentence. Ha!

[cuppabillytea]

I had a dressing on my fixed inguinal hernia changed yesterday which involved tearing off most of my pubes. Safe to say after that experience that you won't see me getting a BCS. EVER!!!!:D TMI? :o Sorry for your loss.

[steane]

Disco looks good dirty and looks good clean.


Geez Muppet :D Laser treatment can restore poor vision and it's reasonably cost effective these days :p

[Disco Muppet]

Pity they can't fix tinnitus as easily hey? :D

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[85 county]

I had a dressing on my fixed inguinal hernia changed yesterday which involved tearing off most of my pubes. Safe to say after that experience that you won't see me getting a BCS. EVER!!!!:D TMI? :o


TTTTIOOOOOOOO much info, keep it for over your mocochocko skinny latay

[85 county]

Disco looks good dirty and looks good clean.
Defenders look good covered in mud because it covers all the wonky panels and once it dries the cabin becomes relatively airtight :D
Pricey....tmi mate :p but ouch.

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seee that's my point, this threead is 110 verses all the lower forms of LR products, yet here you are comparing a disco and a defender.

have you never noticed that 110's do not have wonky panels?? ( unless impact) where defenders do!!! true check it out.

actually can you tell the difference between a defender and a 110?? its not just a name change
:D

[85 county]

Pity they can't fix tinnitus as easily hey? :D

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yes easy pee on your feet :D:D:D:D

[Disco Muppet]

actually can you tell the difference between a defender and a 110?? its not just a name change
:D

Of course I can.
110 drivers yell and don't stop vibrating whereas defender drivers only talk loud and have difficulty not spilling drinks :p

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[tact]

Of course I can.
110 drivers yell and don't stop vibrating whereas defender drivers only talk loud and have difficulty not spilling drinks :p

Unless said Defender is a TDCi... in which case the stylish and erudite owner won't see a ripple on the surface of his skinny mochaccino as he glides across the cafe' regaling his enlightened peers in dulcet tones how he loaded a 150hp tune onto his vehicle over breakfast just before a big business meeting.

(Yeah.. me. TDCi owner. Loaded a BAS remap onto my barge while sipping nescafe at home before leaving for the office this morning!)

[Disco Muppet]

Tdci owners are sitting next to it in the street hitting the transfer case with a hammer for being on such a stupid angle :p :D

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[tact]

Tdci owners are sitting next to it in the street hitting the transfer case with a hammer for being on such a stupid angle :p :D

...or looking for the bright red notice stuck to it that says "Do NOT fill to the level of the filler plug or you will damage your transfer case" - not finding it because its NOT there!

(P.s don't fill your transfer case to the level of the filler bung TDCi owners.... check the manual)

[AndyG]

Could you imagine The Phantom getting out of a Disco or Rangie,

First the Bandar would fall over, ****ing themselves laughing, then they would throw elephant dung at him. Meantime Wolf is ****ing on all the wheels

[Disco Muppet]

My disco is called The Phantom :p

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[V8Ian]

My disco is called The Phantom :p

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So can you imagine The Phantom getting out of the Phantom.......................:D

[gusthedog]

Could you imagine The Phantom getting out of a Disco or Rangie,

First the Bandar would fall over, ****ing themselves laughing, then they would throw elephant dung at him. Meantime Wolf is ****ing on all the wheels

Who gives a **** about the Phantom? :D

[cuppabillytea]

So can you imagine The Phantom getting out of the Phantom.......................:D
why not? He wears Tights doesn't he.:wasntme:

[Disco Muppet]

No but I can imagine a debonair and suave Muppet climbing down to survey the scene before his steely green gaze, not a miss piggy in sight.
:D

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[gvwow]

maybe mr walker drives a disco, he is in disguise ?

[AndyG]

There are times when the Phantom leaves the jungle and walks the streets of the town like an ordinary man :o

Waiting for LR Assist :wasntme:

[AndyG]

Who gives a **** about the Phantom? :D

The Phantom is rough with rough-necks. :o

Only a fool crosses the Phantom :eek:

[gusthedog]

The Phantom is rough with rough-necks. :o

Only a fool crosses the Phantom :eek:

Only a tool believes in fictional characters! :wasntme:

[carlschmid2002]

The Phantom is real. He is not fictional. Ghost who walks, man who can not die. Next thing you are going to tell me is that the Easter Bunny isn't real nor is Santa. I couldn't bear it. Stop!!!!!!!:o

[85 county]

Only a tool believes in fictional characters! :wasntme:


are you calling my son a fool????

[cuppabillytea]

There'd better be a tooth fairy. I'm about to lose one.

[gusthedog]

are you calling my son a fool????

Only a tool [of adult age and an IQ over 80] believes in fictional characters!

There, fixed it for you. :D

[Chops]

why not? He wears Tights doesn't he.:wasntme:

Tights, leather, leather, tights. Haven't we been here before ? :angel:

[1nando]

Wow, this post has completely gone left field.........:eek:

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[ramblingboy42]

from purple to green.

I just watched the Green Lantern movie a couple of days ago......I grew up reading the comics.

Most of the modern depictions of the old comic book characters are way out of kilter , but the Green Lantern one was ok.

Haven't seen a Phantom movie yet.......

[daf11e]

There was a phantom movie in the late nineties ........horrible.

[Bob Harding]

Main reason tis Better is cause I own one


And Dont own one of the tothers --- Simple

[gusthedog]

Are you sure you want your 110's to be associated with a guy dressed in a purple vinyl suit. He has always reminded me of the gimp on pulp fiction.

I'll let you join the dots on that one.... :) I'd be going the tomb raider angle myself. :D

[Disco Muppet]

Sorry pricey but Lara has better boobs :p
I hope :eek:

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[DiscoMick]

It's kinda strange that the biggest budget movies recently have mostly been smash and bash rubbish based on old comics. What's the matter with the American movie industry - can't it make intelligent movies any more?


At least the Bond movies feature Land Rovers, particularly Defenders (there, I got this thread back on topic), otherwise they'd be no better than the superhero rubbish being served up now.


Which reminds me - I must hire Russell Crowe's The Water Diviner during the holidays - looks like a movie for people whose brains still work properly.


So, is it only Defenders which appear in movies?

[Disco Muppet]

There's a yellow p38a in Layer Cake (great movie). And in Kick Ass....I think.
Police drive Disco 1s in 101 Dalmatians. Bad guy steals a police D4 in Skyfall.
Irish mobster drives a d2 in House but that's TV.
Just off the top of my head :p

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[Disco Muppet]

Also a series 3 and a 101 FC in bad boys 2

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[V8Ian]

A Disco 1 is the villain in "Cars"

[DiscoMick]

Another advantage of the Defender over the Disco is weight. A Disco 4 TDV6 weighs about 2582kg while a Defender 110 weighs 1977 kg, according to the guide in 4 x 4 Australia, so that's about a 605 kg difference, give or take a few kilos. In comparison, a Rangie Sport TDV6 S is 2115kg, still 467 kg less than the D4 with the same engine.
Bluntly, the Disco is just fat. Its only positive point is that its still lighter than the positively lardy Landcruiser 200, whose GX TDV8 weighs 2640 kg. So the Landcuiser weighs 58kg more than the Disco, 525kg more than the Rangie Sport and a whopping 663 kg more than the Defender.
This extra weight should affect fuel economy and it does. The Disco's ADR fuel claim is 8.8 l/100km while the Landcruiser's is 10.3. And the Defender? I don't have that figure, maybe someone here does, but my latest fuel check on my Defender gave 9.0 l/100km, and that's a real world figure, not in a test. 4 x 4 Australia got on-test results of 11.5 from a Disco SDV6 SE and 12.5 from the Landcruiser GXL TD, according to its July, 2015 issue, which lobbed in the mailbox the other day.
So, based on weight and fuel consumption, a Defender is a better design than a Disco or Landcruiser. Bazinga! Ha.

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[cuppabillytea]

The Disco Gets all of its good bits from the defender, then adds a lot of fluff. Then the defender gets a few good bits from the Disco and leaves the fluff out.

[carlschmid2002]

Nothing wrong with a bit of fluff:)

[Disco Muppet]

What's happening?
My Defender Owner Insecurity alarm just went off like crazy and I figured here was the best place to look :D

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[DiscoMick]

Just spooking the horses.

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[QLDMIKE]

Anger management has a Classic Range.

[landychris]

Have I missed something? Has it not been said?:o It's obvious........It's the WAVE, :BigThumb:the WAVE, :BigThumb: the WAVE :BigThumb:.... who waves to a Disco or other Rover driver:p
landychris

[Disco Muppet]

I wave to ALL land rovers regardless of what they are.
It's YOU snobby defender drivers who don't wave back.
Thus, you're basically the worst people ever :p

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[V8Ian]

In a Defender, the Landy wave is more a drip on your foot. :p

[DiscoMick]

I wave to ALL land rovers regardless of what they are.
It's YOU snobby defender drivers who don't wave back.
Thus, you're basically the worst people ever :p

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Actually, I find Defender drivers usually wave back, but its rare for a Disco driver to return a wave, so I guess that indicates who is being snooty.

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[Disco Muppet]

I've had a wave instigated by a d4 more often than I've had a wave returned from a defender driver, and there's heaps of defenders locally!

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[tact]

I've had a wave instigated by a d4 more often than I've had a wave returned from a defender driver, and there's heaps of defenders locally!

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I still wave to any LR driver I see when in my Defender. Heaps of Discos and RR. The ONLY non-defender wave I ever got returned these past 2yrs was to a Freelander2.

mileage does vary

[landychris]

Actually, I find Defender drivers usually wave back, but its rare for a Disco driver to return a wave
I agree. Although I have had a few Disco and early RR's return a wave when I am in a Series.
landychris

[carlschmid2002]

I wave to everyone in a Landy or Rangy. Since I have had the D3 not too many wave back. I can get over when I am sitting there in my cold aircon, comfy seats, a stereo I can hear and my magic carpet ride air suspension. I do understand why they don't wave. The burble of that 4.4 V8 with dual exhausts comforts me somewhat.

[Chops]

What's happening?
My Defender Owner Insecurity alarm just went off like crazy and I figured here was the best place to look :D

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What's that?? ;)

No insecurities in this neck if the woods :D

[Disco Muppet]

It's that condition that causes Defender/110 drivers to start threads like this :p

[85 county]

It's that condition that causes Defender/110 drivers to start threads like this :p

you are confused aye

you think defenders and 110s are the same?

[Chops]

Good night fella's,
I'm going to bed to dream of my destinations, where I'll be alone, because I have a kitted 110 that can carry more supplies than Disco's and Rangies. Of course, a few of my mates, all of which drive defenders/110's will be there too. ;)

Cheers

[Disco Muppet]

you are confused aye

you think defenders and 110s are the same?

Clearly not.
Where would you like me to start?
Different diffs, different CVs, wider spaced wheel bearings, rear drums vs disks, different transmissions, different engines, different interior fittings, different power steering box, gal capping, lift up door handles, I can go on if you like :p
See, the fact that I said Defender/110 instead of simply Defender suggests that I'm more than aware the difference ;)

[MrLandy]

Advantages of 110 / Defender over Disco / Range Rover:
Design Classic Icon
Character
Robustness
Bush ability
Durability
Simplicity
Beauty
Price

Advantages of Disco / Range Rover over 110 / Defender:
Luxury
Luxury
Luxury
Yawn
Luxury

😜😘😄😂😇

[1nando]

I live in the eastern suburbs of Sydney, and having a disco is a massive advantage during the school run :D

I wave in my tdci 110 but they never wave back, there too busy or unaware of the brands culture.

Lol. Seriously guys how old are we? If I didn't want a 110 2.2 I would have bought a disco. In fact the Mrs is busting my balls to get one :eek:

All great vehicles. Wish I could have all 3 to be honest

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[ozscott]

You guys keep talking Disco....but you must mean bread vans because you know d1 and d2 v8's closely similar to Deefers and 110 except with a well placed handbrake, and quiet interiors with no internal water features. Cheers

[Disco Muppet]

Advantages of 110 / Defender over Disco / Range Rover:
Design Classic Icon
Character
Robustness
Bush ability
Durability
Simplicity
Beauty
Price

Advantages of Disco / Range Rover over 110 / Defender:
Luxury
Luxury
Luxury
Yawn
Luxury

😜😘😄😂😇

Mate I don't know where you live but you'd better get onto the council because there's something contaminated in your water supply.
:angel:

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[MrLandy]

Mate I don't know where you live but you'd better get onto the council because there's something contaminated in your water supply.
:angel:

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Ha ha, it might be the water feature years in my 98, or I was born with it, but it's definitely not the council water supply! That would brainwash with Nissan navaras!

...love it! No Defender insecurities here, just like teasing you disco fanboys n girls. ...of course they're all great vehicles! ...it's just that Defenders are better 😇

[tact]

I just think it's a bit cruel - this kind of thread.

There is nothing attractive about 110/Defender owners rubbing the misguided cousins' faces in it.

That said the TDCi is certainly the Pinnacle of the evolution of the 110.

[DiscoMick]

You guys keep talking Disco....but you must mean bread vans because you know d1 and d2 v8's closely similar to Deefers and 110 except with a well placed handbrake, and quiet interiors with no internal water features. Cheers

I drove my Defender through a river recently. Not a drop of water came in, which is more than I can say about my previous D1.

[Disco Muppet]

That said the TDCi is certainly the Pinnacle of the evolution of the 110.

We're a bit past April 1st mate :D


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[tact]

TDCi supremacy

Why do I maintain that the TDCi Defender is the pinnacle of the evolution of the 110?

The esteemed OP has on occasion hinted at his belief that the 110 (distinct from Defender) is supreme, that Defenders don't match up.

Let me ask 110 supremacists - for all the same reasons you consider the 110 better than the Defender (robust construction, all mechanical etc):
- are you still banging away on a typewriter? The world has moved on you know.
- or are you using computers and email. (Don't deny - you post in AULRO - it's a rhetorical question)

(And don't get me started on Series owners with their quill, Quink, and blotting paper)

- do you still only own and use the mechanical rotary dial home telephone?
- or are you carrying a modern cell phones or smartphones.

I propose that the Defender is the naturally selected result of time proven evolutionary processes working on the 110 lineage.

Dinosaurs gave way to mammals. That the horse is not built heavy and slow and strong like a triceratops is in no way a flaw in the evolutionary process.

Likewise - The defender, and ultimately the TDCi, easily shrug off criticisms leveled by ancestors. Ie lighter build, faster, more powerful, more fuel efficient, more comfortable. These too, are not evolutionary process mistakes.

The evolutionary changes leading to the TDCi are not mistakes because they improve, not detract from, the species ability to perform, survive, thrive in the environment that is their lot.

What of the more luxurious cousins? As has been pointed out the Discos and RR models do bring luxuries. Comforts. But at a cost. There are, in the case of these species, significant losses in some areas of performance and ability.

But that's no criticism. They are evolving in a different direction, for a different environment - one made of concrete and parking lots.

These cousins are the "trophy wives", not the hard working farmers wives who have a beauty all their own.

I rest my case. It's June, not April 1. :p

[AndyG]

Wow,
In that case my Defender has well formed broad Peasant breeding hips, just like SWMBO :angel::wasntme:

Love them both, wouldn't change a thing. ;)

[cuppabillytea]

I hava slightly protuberant brow so I probably won't indulge in the evolutionary argument. I love all Land Rovers, although Defenders are quite obviously the most logical form, and I used to wave at all Land Rovers as well. I got a cheeky smile from a lady in an Evoque one day so I'm not allowed to do that anymore. Anyway it was giving me RSI.

[gusthedog]

Advantages of a county/110/defender

load carrying ability


Advantages of a disco (a d2 in this case)

tubeless tires on all models
dust seals that work
air con that works
comfortable seats
a properly positioned hand brake
room for those of us with working right elbows
headlights that work
tail lights visible for more than 5 metres at night
baby seat harness clip thingys as standard (because disco owners reproduce :) and want to protect their kids)
airbags (because we value having a face)
Good stereos
cruise control standard
option of sls and ace so your 4wd drives like a car
brakes that work
proper gear ratios so you can comfortably drive both off road and on freeways comfortably (yes we value comfort and yes you can put 'comfortably' in a sentence twice. I'm no bloody martyr nor am I a hipster or a bushy stuck in the past :D)
No body joint related water leaks
cheap 2nd hand compared with insane defender prices
etc etc


And that's just the beginning....;)

[Bob Harding]

Landys are like women come in all shapes n sizes

And beauty is in the eye of the beholder

[AndyG]

OMG Gusthemutt

Your right
Ive made a terrible mistake i should have got a Pajero or Prado or Disco or even a Jeep but not a Defender.
I will hang my head in shame as i drive past the homogenised, pasturised, snot buckets dropping off the kiddies.

Mind you i would love a 4.4 Rangie, but not at that price, which makes the D4 look like bloody good value. But then you could get an Iveco 4*4 for the same sort of money.

As long as we are all happy with our toys, thats the main thing. :D

[MrLandy]

Advantages of a county/110/defender

load carrying ability


Advantages of a disco (a d2 in this case)

tubeless tires on all models - PUMA
dust seals that work - PUMA
air con that works - PUMA
comfortable seats - PUMA
a properly positioned hand brake - PUMA FOOTREST
room for those of us with working right elbows - PUMA COSINESS
headlights that work - PUMA MOOD LIGHTING
tail lights visible for more than 5 metres at night - PUMA CHARACTER
baby seat harness clip thingys as standard (because disco owners reproduce :) and want to protect their kids) - PUMA USES BIG BOLTS
airbags (because we value having a face) - UNNECESSARY IN PUMA
Good stereos - PUMA SUBWOOFER IS AWESOME
cruise control standard - BORING
option of sls and ace so your 4wd drives like a car - PUMA IS NOT INTERESTED IN PRETENDING TO BE A CAR
brakes that work - PUMA
proper gear ratios so you can comfortably drive both off road and on freeways comfortably (yes we value comfort and yes you can put 'comfortably' in a sentence twice. I'm no bloody martyr nor am I a hipster or a bushy stuck in the past :D) - PUMA GEARING IS PERFECT
No body joint related water leaks - PUMA
cheap 2nd hand compared with insane defender prices - obviously PUMA HOLDS ITS PRICE FOR A REASON!
etc etc


And that's just the beginning....;)

...THE BEGINNING OF THE END

[rick130]

I've had a wave instigated by a d4 more often than I've had a wave returned from a defender driver, and there's heaps of defenders locally!

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That's because the Defender/110/130 drivers know you Muppet ! :p


:angel:

[Disco Muppet]

'that's that weird **** from aulro, wave at him in case he tries to talk to us'
:p

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[steane]

Advantages of a county/110/defender

load carrying ability


Advantages of a disco (a d2 in this case)

tubeless tires on all models
dust seals that work
air con that works
comfortable seats
a properly positioned hand brake
room for those of us with working right elbows
headlights that work
tail lights visible for more than 5 metres at night
baby seat harness clip thingys as standard (because disco owners reproduce :) and want to protect their kids)
airbags (because we value having a face)
Good stereos
cruise control standard
option of sls and ace so your 4wd drives like a car
brakes that work
proper gear ratios so you can comfortably drive both off road and on freeways comfortably (yes we value comfort and yes you can put 'comfortably' in a sentence twice. I'm no bloody martyr nor am I a hipster or a bushy stuck in the past :D)
No body joint related water leaks
cheap 2nd hand compared with insane defender prices
etc etc


And that's just the beginning....;)

You've just described most Japanese 4WDs, most of which would be better built, more reliable and easier on the eye than a Disco. None of which can replicate the charm and charisma of the Defender.

That is why one costs a lot and the other costs a little.

[p38arover]

Advantages of a county/110/defender

load carrying ability


Their load carrying ability isn't necessarily that good. It depends on the load. That rear door gives abysmal access. I know 'cos I used to own a 110.

One can fork a loaded pallet into a D1. I know 'cos I used to own a D1.

[cuppabillytea]

You guys keep talking Disco....but you must mean bread vans because you know d1 and d2 v8's closely similar to Deefers and 110 except with a well placed handbrake, and quiet interiors with no internal water features. Cheers
I had a Morris J Van Bread Van (ex ABBCO remember them?) once. It didn't have a well placed hand break, seats (except for driver). air-con, sound system, quiet interior, any kind of floor covering, or wind up windows. The motor was in the cab with just a thin cowling...But it was FUN:twisted:

[85 county]

TDCi supremacy

Why do I maintain that the TDCi Defender is the pinnacle of the evolution of the 110?
oh the foolish
The esteemed OP has on occasion hinted at his belief that the 110 (distinct from Defender) is supreme, that Defenders don't match up.
Esteemed, i usually get called some thing else lol
Let me ask 110 supremacists - for all the same reasons you consider the 110 better than the Defender (robust construction, all mechanical etc):
- are you still banging away on a typewriter? The world has moved on you know.
- or are you using computers and email. (Don't deny - you post in AULRO - it's a rhetorical question)
In 1985 my company purchased for me a 8086 with 3 ? inch amber monitor, twin floppy drives and a 9400 modum for just over $9000.00, so all you are saying is it has gotten cheaper

(And don't get me started on Series owners with their quill, Quink, and blotting paper)
- do you still only own and use the mechanical rotary dial home telephone?
- or are you carrying a modern cell phones or smartphones.
UHF and HF, so nothing's changed there! Cell phones you can not use when driving nor when where 110s should be driven
I propose that the Defender is the naturally selected result of time proven evolutionary processes working on the 110 lineage.
Dinosaurs gave way to mammals. That the horse is not built heavy and slow and strong like a triceratops is in no way a flaw in the evolutionary process.
Likewise - The defender, and ultimately the TDCi, easily shrug off criticisms leveled by ancestors. Ie lighter build, faster, more powerful, more fuel efficient, more comfortable. These too, are not evolutionary process mistakes.
What, a 1986 110 kerb weight with its thicker panels and chassis including salbury dif was 1800KG. a puma with its minuscule motor thin panels and paper weight chassis and rover diff weights 2200KG? bust be all the extra copper wire?
fuel efficient, HA HA a pumas is about 11 ltr per 100, if you sit on 100klm at 110 klms its more like 17ltr. The 110 is 11ltr, regardless of speed weight or what your towing.
Sorry devolution at best
The evolutionary changes leading to the TDCi are not mistakes because they improve, not detract from, the species ability to perform, survive, thrive in the environment that is their lot.
but you forgot that the environment has changed as well, from opening up the world, to the Coles car park
What you call evolution I call interference by the Yanks and Nazi's
What of the more luxurious cousins? As has been pointed out the Discos and RR models do bring luxuries. Comforts. But at a cost. There are, in the case of these species, significant losses in some areas of performance and ability.
True so why buy a puma for the same job

[tact]

but you forgot that the environment has changed as well, from opening up the world, to the Coles car park [...]
[I]True so why buy a puma for the same job

This is my puma. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

...and that's no Coles car park I bought it for.

[Disco Muppet]

Does this mean you're going to shoot a td5 engineer in a marine corps bathroom?

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[carlschmid2002]

TDCi supremacy

Why do I maintain that the TDCi Defender is the pinnacle of the evolution of the 110?
oh the foolish
The esteemed OP has on occasion hinted at his belief that the 110 (distinct from Defender) is supreme, that Defenders don't match up.
Esteemed, i usually get called some thing else lol
Let me ask 110 supremacists - for all the same reasons you consider the 110 better than the Defender (robust construction, all mechanical etc):
- are you still banging away on a typewriter? The world has moved on you know.
- or are you using computers and email. (Don't deny - you post in AULRO - it's a rhetorical question)
In 1985 my company purchased for me a 8086 with 3 ? inch amber monitor, twin floppy drives and a 9400 modum for just over $9000.00, so all you are saying is it has gotten cheaper

(And don't get me started on Series owners with their quill, Quink, and blotting paper)
- do you still only own and use the mechanical rotary dial home telephone?
- or are you carrying a modern cell phones or smartphones.
UHF and HF, so nothing's changed there! Cell phones you can not use when driving nor when where 110s should be driven
I propose that the Defender is the naturally selected result of time proven evolutionary processes working on the 110 lineage.
Dinosaurs gave way to mammals. That the horse is not built heavy and slow and strong like a triceratops is in no way a flaw in the evolutionary process.
Likewise - The defender, and ultimately the TDCi, easily shrug off criticisms leveled by ancestors. Ie lighter build, faster, more powerful, more fuel efficient, more comfortable. These too, are not evolutionary process mistakes.
What, a 1986 110 kerb weight with its thicker panels and chassis including salbury dif was 1800KG. a puma with its minuscule motor thin panels and paper weight chassis and rover diff weights 2200KG? bust be all the extra copper wire?
fuel efficient, HA HA a pumas is about 11 ltr per 100, if you sit on 100klm at 110 klms its more like 17ltr. The 110 is 11ltr, regardless of speed weight or what your towing.
Sorry devolution at best
The evolutionary changes leading to the TDCi are not mistakes because they improve, not detract from, the species ability to perform, survive, thrive in the environment that is their lot.
but you forgot that the environment has changed as well, from opening up the world, to the Coles car park
What you call evolution I call interference by the Yanks and Nazi's
What of the more luxurious cousins? As has been pointed out the Discos and RR models do bring luxuries. Comforts. But at a cost. There are, in the case of these species, significant losses in some areas of performance and ability.
True so why buy a puma for the same job

Well let us sit back and watch the 110/County/Defenders owners fight it out. I think it might be good. Us Discovery drivers shall retire into the audience and watch the show. It really is sad. After more than 20 years driving 110s in the Army I think I will stick with my Discovery thank you very much. Anyone can self harm. I am fairly comfortable with the fact that my D3 can go anywhere a 110/County/Defender can go and I am far more comfortable in the process. Did I mention that I sold my Defender for $10000 more than my super comfortable and capable Discovery cost.

[85 county]

Well let us sit back and watch the 110/County/Defenders owners fight it out. I think it might be good. Us Discovery drivers shall retire into the audience and watch the show. It really is sad. After more than 20 years driving 110s in the Army I think I will stick with my Discovery thank you very much. Anyone can self harm. I am fairly comfortable with the fact that my D3 can go anywhere a 110/County/Defender can go and I am far more comfortable in the process. Did I mention that I sold my Defender for $10000 more than my super comfortable and capable Discovery cost.

ha so you have given up then?

[bob10]

The defender has gone the way of the dinosaur. RIP defender, long live the ingenium engined replacement. Bob




OR, the 6x6 flying huntsman;


Kahn Flying Huntsman 6?6 Land Rover Defender concept heading to Geneva (http://www.caradvice.com.au/339724/kahn-flying-huntsman-6x6-land-rover-defender-concept-heading-to-geneva/)

[gusthedog]

You've just described most Japanese 4WDs, most of which would be better built, more reliable and easier on the eye than a Disco. None of which can replicate the charm and charisma of the Defender.

That is why one costs a lot and the other costs a little.

Not really. My disco has more comfortable seats then my parents Sahara 200 series. I don't find any Japanese 4wds comfortable or as good looking as my disco but then taste is clearly in the eye of the beer-holder. :)

[rick130]

Not really. My disco has more comfortable seats then my parents Sahara 200 series. I don't find any Japanese 4wds comfortable or as good looking as my disco but then taste is clearly in the eye of the beer-holder. :)
I haven't driven a Japanese 4wd with seats approaching any where near the comfort of a Defender.

I used to get out of the ex's GQ and then GU Patrol's with a sore back after a trip.
Not enough lumbar no under thigh support.
The same with Navara's, HiLux's, Cruisers, etc. all are flat and shapeless.

The Deefer seats are minimalist, but have something approaching the right amount of lumbar support, something no one else seems to have cottoned on to.

Of course a Recaro, Scheel our the old Aerotech seats are better, but for a stock seat the Defender ones are fine.

[ozscott]

I had a Morris J Van Bread Van (ex ABBCO remember them?) once. It didn't have a well placed hand break, seats (except for driver). air-con, sound system, quiet interior, any kind of floor covering, or wind up windows. The motor was in the cab with just a thin cowling...But it was FUN:twisted:
Haha. Yes i should have said D3/4 bread van.

Cheers

[cuppabillytea]

If anyone thinks that a Defender is not comfortable, they are sadly deluded. I am 61 years old. My spine has been broken, crushed and prolapsed. In short, It is as useful as a chocolate tea pot. However I drove from Rainbow Beach to Sydney in 16 Hours, stopping only for fuel and tucker. Arrived home Fit as a fiddle.

[p38arover]

When I had my 110 County, I reckoned that, for me, the County's seats were more comfortable than those of my P38A (I had both cars at the same time).

Interestingly, motoring journalists bag the seats, perhaps because they don't expect them to work.

[DiscoMick]

Me too. "George's' seats, while upright and relatively thin, are padded in all the right places for me, so the firmness of the seats actually makes them more supportive than softer seats, which might be good for sleeping, but when I'm driving I don't want to sleep. Mind you, I also like a firm bed.
Motoring journos don't spend long enough in the seats to appreciate their advantages. They're mainly interested in how fast it accelerates.

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[MrLandy]

Motoring journo's have made numerous presumptions about the Defender for at least the past 20 years! "Grandfathers axe of the 4x4 world" being just one! (The best axe design is the original by the way...so they actually sound a bit ridiculous). Cramped driving position is another...in my experience the COSINESS against the door is a plus! Bracing for off road, better view of the track in all directions, not to mention the flat sided advantages in tight forest country. Defender seats are actually the best in the business too (other than aftermarket rally driving seats, which are very firm) precisely because they are firm, upright and have good lumbar support. The basic nature of the interior geometry of the Defender is actually ergonomically excellent. Everything else is a lounge chair, which looks good at first glance, but is terrible for your back. Motoring journo's give cursory reports at best. It's actually pathetic. Long term comfort, durability, reliability is all based on presumption. Defender has been the victim of this presumption for decades.

[Disco Muppet]

My d2 with leather seats (non electric) are the most comfortable seats in any car I've driven. I know dads cloth ones were horrid, maybe because it was brand new and mine has 250k worth of wearing in :cool:
But I find them fantastic, good adjustment, comfortable and supportive. Have done several 9-10 hour trips and gotten out feeling fantastic.

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[PAT303]

My Tdi seat isn't comfortable,the cover wore through,most of the foam is gone and the frame wedges up my arse over bumps,the TDCi's are good though. Pat

[MrLandy]

My Tdi seat isn't comfortable,the cover wore through,most of the foam is gone and the frame wedges up my arse over bumps,the TDCi's are good though. Pat

My TDi seats are immaculate at 320000km, canvas covers since new.

[rick130]

My Tdi seat isn't comfortable,the cover wore through,most of the foam is gone and the frame wedges up my arse over bumps,the TDCi's are good though. Pat


My TDi seats are immaculate at 320000km, canvas covers since new.


New Exmoor Trim seat foams and new, tailored canvas on the new foam,
Excellent. :D

The upholsterer reckons the seat foams are the best he's seen.

Darrin the trimmer will be making new backs for me soon too.

[Didge]

Well let us sit back and ............ I am fairly comfortable with the fact that my D3 can go anywhere a 110/County/Defender can go and I am far more comfortable in the process. .........

I came to the realisation pretty quickly that how far your car can go is determined not by the model you drive, all things being equal and not including soft roaders, but more by how much money you're prepared to throw at repairs, both mechanical and panelwork.
Can't really argue that the Defender is better on road than the Disco (at 100kmh I'm wrestling for control most of the time - but it keeps you alert!), that's why the Disco saved the company back in the day. Most of the time I'll wind up driving about 300kms round trip to the tracks for a day out and maybe 30 - 50 kms in the bush for the day so the Disco would be the more sensible option.

[alien]

I'm not sure where I stand on this notion of 110's being better.


Land Rover moved on from the Series vehicles with what some consider to be the "best ever" model.
Really it's just a Disco V8 in disguise, all that revving and fuel for no real gain while hanging onto the shape for the future.
We all know the 110 was just a stop gap measure until the start of the iconic Defenders starting with the tdi motor.
Things have progressed to the current tdci powered Defenders without returning to a petrol V8.
Mmm now that says something, even land Rover knew not to go back there.


It's all horses for courses...
The Series units where work horses.
Comfortable Disco's you could say have got under my skin.
I enjoy leaving work knowing I'll have the luxury of a Range Rover to drive home in.
The defender is nice but on a different level and does the job easily with it's quirks.


You know what?
I've changed my mind, 110's are nothing special.
Give me a RRC, Disco or Defender any day.




Ps.
I'm keeping my beard as no shaving or waxing for me. Nothing to be seen here folks, keep moving please.

[tact]

Can't really argue that the Defender is better on road than the Disco (at 100kmh I'm wrestling for control most of the time - but it keeps you alert!),

While likely still not as good as the later Disco's - the TDCi's at higher speeds don't make you work so hard as it seems you have to.

I find my Defender (TDCi) relaxing at 140ish on open highways. It does well on fast mountain passes too, where it's safe to do 100kmh up winding roads the TDCi just romps along.

[tact]

I'm not sure where I stand on this notion of 110's being better.
[...]
You know what?
I've changed my mind, 110's are nothing special.
Give me a RRC, Disco or Defender any day.


hehe :cool:

[Didge]

While likely still not as good as the later Disco's - the TDCi's at higher speeds don't make you work so hard as it seems you have to.

I find my Defender (TDCi) relaxing at 140ish on open highways. It does well on fast mountain passes too, where it's safe to do 100kmh up winding roads the TDCi just romps along.

Really? I think I might need to upgrade :( I love my old girl but she is just hard work to drive. Might have to sell one of the kids :)

[tact]

Really? I think I might need to upgrade :( I love my old girl but she is just hard work to drive. Might have to sell one of the kids :)

True. Really. Do it fast, upgrade, before the OP does.... (I can feel his resolve weakening and soon he will also come to realise his 110 is just that: Hard work just to drive. A TDCi on the other hand... well, lets not even compare) :twisted:

You are south of Sydney? You'd know the Brown mountain road then? Used to drive that often from Canberra to the coast and back to go weekend diving. Mind you that was in the years leading up to your "Boofy" rolling off the showroom floor ...A long time ago - so my memory may not be entirely sharp and no doubt the road has been improved since those days. What I am trying to say is that a TDCi wouldn't have to raise a sweat to keep up to the speed limit (and likely more if you wanted) and wouldn't be making you work hard at all ...

[carlschmid2002]

While likely still not as good as the later Disco's - the TDCi's at higher speeds don't make you work so hard as it seems you have to.

I find my Defender (TDCi) relaxing at 140ish on open highways. It does well on fast mountain passes too, where it's safe to do 100kmh up winding roads the TDCi just romps along.

I would hate to think what your fuel consumption is like at that speed. Mine used to guzzle about 15 l/100km if you went over 110km/ph. My V8 Disco just purse along at these speeds using a lot less fuel.

[JDNSW]

The principal advantage that the Defender has over the Disco is choice of body styles. I have difficulty seeing loading a tonne of fencing gear into a Disco with a forklift, and then being able to use it fencing with the tailgate open and the wire spinner in the back. Also not clear how you rig a ute crane for loading fence posts. Or to take another tack, how are you going to manage a stock crate and half a dozen goats or sheep? No problem at all with a 110 trayback.

Ultimately, the 110 is a work vehicle - the Disco is a passenger vehicle. Which is best depends on what you are using it for, but the Disco is surprisingly good at some work, and the Defender (in wagon or dual cab form) is surprisingly good asa passenger transport, although most would be better off with a Disco.

John

[DiscoMick]

Our Tdci is quite comfortable at 110 km/h in 6th and the fuel consumption doesn't rise much.

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[mick88]

Till we bought some skis we used to tow a series 1 bonnet for a wake board behind the boat on the Normanby river :) A 110 bonnet with a rounded front would be much better:D




We used to do that on salt pans with an FJ bonnet.
Towed it behind our old scrub hacks, usually a Ford Pilot, an Anglia or a
an FJ.
Dangerous game, but a lot fun when your a kid and have no fear!
The bonnets would get pretty warm on the salt pans though.


Cheers, Mick.

[MrLandy]

The principal advantage that the Defender has over the Disco is choice of body styles. I have difficulty seeing loading a tonne of fencing gear into a Disco with a forklift, and then being able to use it fencing with the tailgate open and the wire spinner in the back. Also not clear how you rig a ute crane for loading fence posts. Or to take another tack, how are you going to manage a stock crate and half a dozen goats or sheep? No problem at all with a 110 trayback.

Ultimately, the 110 is a work vehicle - the Disco is a passenger vehicle. Which is best depends on what you are using it for, but the Disco is surprisingly good at some work, and the Defender (in wagon or dual cab form) is surprisingly good asa passenger transport, although most would be better off with a Disco.

John

Well said John, the other reason a Defender is preferable to some as a passenger vehicle is its pragmatic hose out design. The last thing I want is carpet or anything else to keep clean in a vehicle designed for adventure. It's the no fuss, no frills, simplicity of the design that I love. No matter how good a disco, or any other Land Rover is, Nothing else has the simple pragmatic functionality and pragmatic design beauty of a Defender.

[tact]

I would hate to think what your fuel consumption is like at that speed. Mine used to guzzle about 15 l/100km if you went over 110km/ph. My V8 Disco just purse along at these speeds using a lot less fuel.

Of course there is a fuel penalty for high speed runs. That would have to apply to your v8 disco too? What are your actual measured numbers?

For my 2013 2.2! 110DC the numbers look like this (Litres/100km. Measured/corrected for speedo error):

Worst: 13.78/14.50
(these numbers relate to 140kmh highway runs to Singapore)

Best: 10.27/10.81
(These numbers relate to speed limit highway runs to Singapore - 100-110kmh)

Av over 36000km: 11.91/12.53
Includes the above runs, and weekends and 4day off-road trips mostly in low range refilling from jerrycans in the jungle - all of that though outweighed by 90% of kilometers travelled being Kuala Lumpur city driving and crawling traffic jams)

[bob10]

Motoring journo's have made numerous presumptions about the Defender for at least the past 20 years! "Grandfathers axe of the 4x4 world" being just one! (The best axe design is the original by the way...so they actually sound a bit ridiculous). Cramped driving position is another...in my experience the COSINESS against the door is a plus! Bracing for off road, better view of the track in all directions, not to mention the flat sided advantages in tight forest country. Defender seats are actually the best in the business too (other than aftermarket rally driving seats, which are very firm) precisely because they are firm, upright and have good lumbar support. The basic nature of the interior geometry of the Defender is actually ergonomically excellent. Everything else is a lounge chair, which looks good at first glance, but is terrible for your back. Motoring journo's give cursory reports at best. It's actually pathetic. Long term comfort, durability, reliability is all based on presumption. Defender has been the victim of this presumption for decades.


Reading thru this, it's almost as though the journo is giving a back handed compliment to the Defender. Bob


2015 Land Rover Defender 110 Review | CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/340549/2015-land-rover-defender-110-review/)


And this will not sit well with some traditionalists.


Land Rover Discovery Concept Tech and Interior (http://www.caradvice.com.au/videos/land-rover-discovery-concept-tech-and-interior/)

[MrLandy]

Reading thru this, it's almost as though the journo is giving a back handed compliment to the Defender. Bob


2015 Land Rover Defender 110 Review | CarAdvice (http://www.caradvice.com.au/340549/2015-land-rover-defender-110-review/)


And this will not sit well with some traditionalists.


Land Rover Discovery Concept Tech and Interior (http://www.caradvice.com.au/videos/land-rover-discovery-concept-tech-and-interior/)

The Defender review is the same old presumptuous rubbish trotted out, it could be any number of reviews over the past ten years...why bother if you're predetermined to be so trite?!

The disco preview is fascinating, I like the flat floor and durable leather, but the head up display is annoying! And I'd hate to be a cyclist riding up behind a rear opening door!!

Soon 'driving' will be a thing of the past anyway.

It's as though escaping the natural world in a high tech cocoon is now Land Rovers aim, rather than reliably enabling us to access nature in order to escape the urban cocoon!!

Sorry, but to me its the wrong priority. It won't be long before the ECU chooses the route and destination for us and we just watch it all go by on the heads up display and through the invisible bonnet. We might as well stay home in our humidicrib 'real world simulators' and watch 'nature' in 3D.

[bob10]

The Defender review is the same old presumptuous rubbish trotted out, it could be any number of reviews over the past ten years...why bother if you're predetermined to be so trite?!

The disco preview is fascinating, I like the flat floor and durable leather, but the head up display is annoying! And I'd hate to be a cyclist riding up behind a rear opening door!!

Soon 'driving' will be a thing of the past anyway.

It's as though escaping the natural world in a high tech cocoon is now Land Rovers aim, rather than reliably enabling us to access nature in order to escape the urban cocoon!!

Sorry, but to me its the wrong priority. It won't be long before the ECU chooses the route and destination for us and we just watch it all go by on the heads up display and through the invisible bonnet. We might as well stay home in our humidicrib 'real world simulators' and watch 'nature' in 3D.


My TD5 D2 will be my last vehicle. Can do all the defender can, in comfort. I don't need a space age vehicle. I would rather walk. Bob

[MrLandy]

Cheers Bob. My Puma Defender is the most comfortable car I've ever driven. I'm particularly comfortable with its utilitarian nature. The only discomfort for me is the lack of Land Rover customer / service support outside metro areas, particularly after warranty / and LR Assist runs out. I'd hate to think how unsupported I'd feel if I was driving a new disco sport off the Tarmac!

...Independant LR specialists have never been more important! Here's cheers to you guys! May your numbers and services expand across this great continent.

[85 county]

Cheers Bob. My Puma Defender is the most comfortable car I've ever driven. I'm particularly comfortable with its utilitarian nature. The only discomfort for me is the lack of Land Rover customer / service support outside metro areas, particularly after warranty / and LR Assist runs out. I'd hate to think how unsupported I'd feel if I was driving a new disco sport off the Tarmac!

...Independant LR specialists have never been more important! Here's cheers to you guys! May your numbers and services expand across this great continent.

not a problem if your driving a 110 isuzu

[bob10]

Cheers Bob. My Puma Defender is the most comfortable car I've ever driven. I'm particularly comfortable with its utilitarian nature. The only discomfort for me is the lack of Land Rover customer / service support outside metro areas, particularly after warranty / and LR Assist runs out. I'd hate to think how unsupported I'd feel if I was driving a new disco sport off the Tarmac!

...Independant LR specialists have never been more important! Here's cheers to you guys! May your numbers and services expand across this great continent.


Agree about the service support in remote areas, precisely the reason Toyotas are so popular, they can be supported anywhere in Aus.. However, when I bought my TD5 D2,I went from frightened of the technology to comfortable with going any where with it, through education, some of that education from this forum, some from overseas forums. I found there is nothing to be frightened about technology, with support, you can cope, and this forum provides very good support.


I'm comfortable with my D2 , and I think that is the secret. All talk of which vehicle is better means nothing to those that are comfortable with what they have, only the insecure feel they have to make a point. Bob