Mr 4X4 Goes too......

[Redback]

Big news from Pat Callinan, for those who watch his show and buy his mag, for the next 3 years, he goes to the VW Amarok, also his tyre sponser is General Grabber and some clothing line and is contracted to have his shows shown on ch10 and chOne.

Pat Callinan's 4X4 Adventures continues for another three years, in a new 4X4! - MR4X4 (http://www.mr4x4.com.au/pat-callinans-4x4-adventures-continues-for-another-three-years-in-a-new-4x4/)

Baz.

[weeds]

Soooo........he will he still bash on about Nissan's?? Or will he look like a dick and now say VW are the ducks guts.

Do do more down some of his destinations........for future reference.

[PAT303]

Yep,he's just taken the first step towards Ron ''my cooper tyres performed flawlessly'' Moon and ''everyones my mate'' Roothy. Pat

[bsperka]

Just one huge advertorial with some stuff about destinations thrown in. He changed from Pirelli to Coopers some time ago.

[Saitch]

Fair go you blokes! WTF is someone in his line of work supposed to do :confused:
I'm sure the vehicle you drive is the best there is bar none :D
Steve

[newhue]

Soooo........he will he still bash on about Nissan's?? Or will he look like a dick and now say VW are the ducks guts.

Do do more down some of his destinations........for future reference.

Does make you wonder, the ol cred is sliding from Kia to Nissan to VW. I guess ARB must be giving it to him hard, he has been loyal to them from kick off.

[weeds]

Fair go you blokes! WTF is someone in his line of work supposed to do :confused:
I'm sure the vehicle you drive is the best there is bar none :D
Steve


Yep ditched the defender.........and upgraded to a Hi-Lux.

[Pateyw]

We all make mistakes sometimes :D

[wardy1]

Oh why do we expect journo's to be above human?

These guys build a reputation and then go with the sponsorship available to them to support the end game..... Promoting 4wding and more.

I can see absolutely nothing wrong with this...... Maybe I'm stupid?

If YOU (the perennial critics of everyone except yourselves) were to be offered real money to get out there doing what we all say we love, wouldn't you take the best deal you could get?

Get real! Of course you would.

[huggies]

The RB Sellars clothes are good I wear them daily.

I can understand changing away from Nissan due to the new patrol having no diesel option, you think Land Rover aus would give him 3-5 cars for their fleet? (they should of it's cheap advertising)

Roothy left 4wd action because he didn't agree with promoting **** products and not being allowed to do his own thing and having to watch what he said or attend certain events.

[Redback]

Finally some positive feedback, of all the shows and mags, his is by far the best, yes there are ads, but as many as Your4X4 that other one who babbles on like it's life and death out there.

Anyway, I think it's a good move, I for one want to see what he does with the Amarok, there's a lot of good and bad feedback about this car, so will be interesting to see if he is honest about his reviews on how it performs.

LRA are never going to give any of these shows a car, it would go against everything they stand for, no aftermarket accessories for a start, if they allowed that, what would they do when they try to knock you back for warranty;)

No Defender any more, so never going to happen on any 4X4 show, I tried to watch that show with the guy with the Defender, same as 4WDTV and Your4x4 basically.

I'd love his job, and wouldn't care what they gave me to do it.

Baz.

[newhue]

Yeh fair call his a journo, its his job, and companies pay to promote. But perhaps the hosts should also be professional enough to let a tire company do their own adds for example. But to crouch down and bang on about how great a tire is, than next year do the same on another brand because they are paying more, makes hard to take them on anything.

[Brad110]

When he drove a Kia? On road tyres it possibly made you feel capable in ya pumped up locked beastly on 35's.

He is the only 4x4 show I am aware of that you don't have to turn the sound off.
He has to appeal to all the masses even the experts sitting holding the remote control.

I think it's good he demonstrates different products.

[DiscoMick]

Interesting to see him taking on General Tires, which are popular overseas, but have never really taken off here. Maybe General is now trying to increase its market presence. The GG AT looks like a good thing and I see they also have a new MT.

[Bernd VonCrashen]

Does he still have the 130 in his garage? I thought i read he kept that as it was a great vehicle. Albeit that was a while ago when i read that..

[PAT303]

Isn't he the ''expert'' who said corrigations are caused by 4wd's running 35'' tyres?. Pat

[DiscoMick]

Does he still have the 130 in his garage? I thought i read he kept that as it was a great vehicle. Albeit that was a while ago when i read that..

He did a story in his mag recently on the 130. Loves it apparently.

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[loneranger]

Is this any different to any sports star or actor appearing in ads?

Most of those shows are just long advertorials much like the magazines. Don't watch any of them except Ifish sometimes but I don't pay any attention to the rods and reels he's advertising and just watch for the places he's fishing and the rigs being used.

[Chops]

Dont mind watching Pat and where he goes. He's always had a fairly good show, but its certainly cramed with advertising.
It'll be good to see how the VW does with what he generally does, it should be a good mix up of most terains.

Started watching a new show on the telly a couple of weeks ago which is 4WD Touring Australia (magazine of the same name).
IMO it seems to be the best yet. Just a guy (ex USA) touring through the country, very little advertising, but shows lots of scenery etc, with some interesting facts thrown in, and a bit of philosophy from his perspective.
"I" like it anyway.

[numpty]

I watch them all and take none of them seriously. ;), record them and fast forward through all the adds.

I find Carlisle Rogers to be a bit of a knob.

My opinions of course!

[460cixy]

You blokes must all get different tv to me I get pat the hat and 4wd tv pro tips and that IS just a big ad and no other 4wd shows

[Chops]

I watch them all and take none of them seriously. ;), record them and fast forward through all the adds.

I find Carlisle Rogers to be a bit of a knob.

My opinions of course!

Same same, I dont think I've actually watched a show in its time slot ever. Recording is such a wonderful thing :D I even do that with Pats show and his in-house advertising.
I can see where you could be thinking of him in that way, this is the first time I've seen his show, but I find it sort of poetic (not sure if thats quite the word I'm looking for), but I quite like it compared to the others. Maybe because he's just someone new/different (?).

[Tombie]

Over the top product placement is one thing...

But what stops me watching these shows (and iFish as well) is the back flip promotion and the constant...

"So were out here in the ##### running along on our ##### tyres looking for a great place to roll out the ##### swag for the night and cook a great feed from ##### butchers"

Or when you hear

"this vehicle / boat / motor is the best on the market.... nothing comes close"

(iFish did that from one season to the next)


These people ALL need to learn how to keep a sponsor happy without ****ing off the viewing public...

[460cixy]

Over the top product placement is one thing...

But what stops me watching these shows (and iFish as well) is the back flip promotion and the constant...

"So were out here in the ##### running along on our ##### tyres looking for a great place to roll out the ##### swag for the night and cook a great feed from ##### butchers"

Or when you hear

"this vehicle / boat / motor is the best on the market.... nothing comes close"

(iFish did that from one season to the next)


These people ALL need to learn how to keep a sponsor happy without ****ing off the viewing public...


Spot on there. Its not hard to be a bit more subtle about the product placement in these shows. The fishing shows drive me mad with it to the point I don't watch any of them any more.

[DiscoMick]

I also record to playback back later. For example, Channel 9 crams Top Gear with horrible ads which I skip through. Do the same with the 4WD Action DVDs. Pat the Hat actually has less ads than some others. Plus, his stories are always different to the others, so I like that. His print mag. has some superb photography too. This reminds me- I need to review my subscription - must see what deals he is offering.

[PAT303]

"So were out here in the ##### running along on our ##### tyres looking for a great place to roll out the ##### swag for the night and cook a great feed from ##### butchers"
****ing off the viewing public...

Huh?,I thought all 4wdrivers talked like that :confused:. Pat

[goingbush]

Nothing against the bloke myself, or other such journos, don't watch any 4x4 shows on TV and avoid 4x4 magazines like the plague, so I would not know him or Ron Moon if I tripped over them. (as for Roothy - how could you mistake his ugly mug) But what I do have a problem with the zealots that take notice of what these guys spruke, brain dead bogans that can't think for themselves. Its whats buggered the bush up.

[Tombie]

Huh?,I thought all 4wdrivers talked like that :confused:. Pat

Oh yeah... Forgot... :angel:

Just grabbing my Apple iPhone 6 Plus, shutting down my Lenovo workstation, stepping out in my Under Armour Spine(tm) Shoes and heading across the Arrium car park to the waiting Land Rover Discovery 4 - fully equipped to take on any terrain with its ARB winch bar, Fyrlyts and Dueller D697s.

[UncleHo]

Gee,Toombie
That's as bad as me turning on my iPhone 4s and jumping into my D1 300 TDI auto with Narva 60/55s +120% globes and heading down off on my Bridgestone 697s @35 psi for a trip to dog trial.

Bung-Tiddley.

[Disco Muppet]

4wd shows won't be as bad as iFish until they start getting their kids on the show :D :rolleyes:

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[ramblingboy42]

are you guys being sponsored by the same good tyres as I am driving on, namely Bridgestone Dueler A/T 697's , while driving on Shell fuels and lubricants?

[Saitch]

are you guys being sponsored by the same good tyres as I am driving on, namely Bridgestone Dueler A/T 697's , while driving on Shell fuels and lubricants?
As long as you're on an "Epic" trip to an "Iconic" destination then that info is OK:)
Steve

[newhue]

Nothing against the bloke myself, or other such journos, don't watch any 4x4 shows on TV and avoid 4x4 magazines like the plague, so I would not know him or Ron Moon if I tripped over them. (as for Roothy - how could you mistake his ugly mug) But what I do have a problem with the zealots that take notice of what these guys spruke, brain dead bogans that can't think for themselves. Its whats buggered the bush up.

What do you mean. Lift it, lock it, launch it....I thought thats what is all about. Telling the punters their car is a bad choice due to poor gearing, poor articulation, and poor ground clearance makes all involved feel bad, and sales suffer. Lets be positive here and talk power, berries, and good driving mate.
Of course there has to be some small collateral damage, tracks, undercarriage, reputation; but who cares as long as were having fun.
All tongue and cheek of course.

[DiscoMick]

Telling people their trucks aren't good enough and need upgrading creates a bigger market for advertisers who then advertise in the mags. Its a self-supporting cycle.
Actually, it doesn't worry me if it results in a bigger range of cheaper products for me to browse.

[newhue]

To be honest I have only seen two episodes of Callahan. One in his Kia days, one his Patrol. Interesting Nissan are not backing up or lost the deal, sales must not have come to be perhaps.
I for a while was getting Action mags because they were chucking them at me for $5. I threw the mag straight in the bin when it arrived, then had a giggle at the DVD with the wife scoping it for ideas on where to go. Then chucked it in the bin. In both camps the marketing is over the top. In Action camp I discovered they never or rarely released the GPS quadrants of any trip. And from my own investigations seem to leave a trail of annoyed people from feeling used, or just plane insulted.

I go the the beach and see little action disciples giving it the berries. Drive up, or down, virgin dunes. Bash a trail into a new camp site because that's where they want to camp. Fire rings full of beer bottles, litter in the bush, and burn out marks around camp no doubt from being excited about going home. Not saying Action endorses this, but the sheer lack of discussion about preserving the asset we are privileged to have, is virtually 0%. While there lift it, lock it, launch it, good drive mate approach is rife. Go to action forum and start a thread about hill billies wrecking the place and you soon get shown the door, after a good spry of FO mate.
Pat could drive a commodore for all it matters. And he is probably the most decent out of all of them. But we have very little access now, and will end up with no access very soon. I'd be surprised if these people care 1% if you go to the desert or not. Rather selling you accessories to make the dream you bought at the dealer go further and for longer is what it's about. And sadly don't spend a second on why the big yellow bus got buried.

[Saitch]

To be honest I have only seen two episodes of Callahan. One in his Kia days, one his Patrol. Interesting Nissan are not backing up or lost the deal, sales must not have come to be perhaps.
I for a while was getting Action mags because they were chucking them at me for $5. I threw the mag straight in the bin when it arrived, then had a giggle at the DVD with the wife scoping it for ideas on where to go. Then chucked it in the bin. In both camps the marketing is over the top. In Action camp I discovered they never or rarely released the GPS quadrants of any trip. And from my own investigations seem to leave a trail of annoyed people from feeling used, or just plane insulted.

I go the the beach and see little action disciples giving it the berries. Drive up, or down, virgin dunes. Bash a trail into a new camp site because that's where they want to camp. Fire rings full of beer bottles, litter in the bush, and burn out marks around camp no doubt from being excited about going home. Not saying Action endorses this, but the sheer lack of discussion about preserving the asset we are privileged to have, is virtually 0%. While there lift it, lock it, launch it, good drive mate approach is rife. Go to action forum and start a thread about hill billies wrecking the place and you soon get shown the door, after a good spry of FO mate.
Pat could drive a commodore for all it matters. And he is probably the most decent out of all of them. But we have very little access now, and will end up with no access very soon. I'd be surprised if these people care 1% if you go to the desert or not. Rather selling you accessories to make the dream you bought at the dealer go further and for longer is what it's about. And sadly don't spend a second on why the big yellow bus got buried.
What are you trying to say:spudnikconfounded::D

[loneranger]

4wd shows won't be as bad as iFish until they start getting their kids on the show :D :rolleyes:

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Yeah it gets a bit annoying when his latest product to push is his kid. We started watching it because it was on before Mash.

[Disco Muppet]

Paul from iFish has to be one of the most irritating people on television.
My dad watches it purely to yell and swear at the tv :D :p

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[Sandgroper]

I find Pat Callinan quite condescending in the way he speaks, to me he sounds like he's speaking to a class of primary school kids. As far as the sponsors products he pushes, I don't mind seeing them but I always speak to people who've got them or seen them used to get an unbiased idea of their worth. These days with the internet it's also possible to find unbiased product reviews online where people who've used them will give an unbiased, accurate assessment of their experiences using any product you like, I reckon that's pretty good as they they're not being sponsored by the product manufacturers or retailers.

[newhue]

What are you trying to say:spudnikconfounded::D

yeh don't know really, just having a whinge about the synthetic world we live in. Consumerism and BS seems far more important than sustainability and truth.

I wish Pat all the best in his new pursuit. As to Roothy with his Unlock Australia. Just don't for get to buy a shirt or a sticker.

[steane]

I wish a manufacturer of loose(er) fitting jeans/moleskins would sponsor Pat.

He could then say something like "So the Amarok broke down again today but leaning against it waiting for Roadside Assist has never been more comfortable thanks to these new loose fitting [insert brand] trousers".

[Disco Muppet]

Nah, need someone else to come up like roothy did to glenno so he could launch a spiel about the latest Roo Systems rubbish.
'hey pat, you must spend a bit of time broken down, good thing those jeans of yours look comfy'

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[Keithy P38]

On that note, Roothy, Glenno and Ken(??) from GIC are doing their own vids and what not up my way right now. An insider asked me to help fix his hilux as they were taking him on their trip...

[biggin]

.........
If YOU (the perennial critics of everyone except yourselves) were to be.........


Can't stop laughing, thinking about the bloke out there who IS a perennial critic of himself.

Sorry. Carry on with the topic!

[copba]

On that note, Roothy, Glenno and Ken(??) from GIC are doing their own vids and what not up my way right now. An insider asked me to help fix his hilux as they were taking him on their trip...

Yeah you're right they're up this way now; I saw his lifted blue Hi-lux covered in stickers towing a camper trailer driving through Atherton earlier this week, followed by a twin cab 70 series Cruiser. Probably going to the Cape.

[Melbourne Park]

You can criticise Pat for his advertorials, but if you pay Foxtel to watch Ads, then you're not seeing the woods for the trees.

[p38arover]

Does he still have the 130 in his garage? I thought i read he kept that as it was a great vehicle. Albeit that was a while ago when i read that..
I thought he'd sold it a few years back. I test drove it for a member of this forum, Gillie if I recall correctly. He didn't buy it, not because it was a bad one.

I haven't seen it outside Pat's place nor in the driveway, nor at the local shopping centre where I occasionally see his other vehicles.


4wd shows won't be as bad as iFish until they start getting their kids on the show :D :rolleyes:

I thought I detected sarcasm. Pat's kids are often in the show.

I prefer his show, not that I watch it that often, to the other one - I forget it's name, but it's on TVS and Aurora. They seem to have trips where the convoy is made up of accessory manufacturers' vehicles, e.g., ARB, Brown Davis, LightForce, etc. - not, of course, that any of their products are pushed. :angel:

[DiscoMick]

Yeah you're right they're up this way now; I saw his lifted blue Hi-lux covered in stickers towing a camper trailer driving through Atherton earlier this week, followed by a twin cab 70 series Cruiser. Probably going to the Cape.

Roothy's column in the latest 4 x 4 Australia is from the Cape.

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[steane]

Bumped into Pat and his entourage on the QAA line a couple of weeks ago, almost literally. It was a busy bit of track after the shindig at Big Red finished up and people headed home.

Couple of idiots with no UHFs and Pat...who wasn't listening to his. Lead car in our group was making regular announcements on channel 10 and even confirmed he was about to crest a dune, only to be met with silence and Pat's Amarok towing a camper up the other side.

Wonder if that fairly big mistake will make it onto the show?

[weeds]

.



Couple of idiots with no UHFs and Pat...who wasn't listening to his. Lead car in our group was making regular announcements on channel 10 and even confirmed he was about to crest a dune, only to be met with silence and Pat's Amarok towing a camper up the other side.




Out of interest how does one know which dune you are about to crest??

My experience out there is that many groups call up occasionally, defiantly not every dune. If figured if I stopped every time I heard somebody I would never get across the desert.

Maybe I was doing something wrong or didn't know the procedure.

[scarry]

I did the last two trips with no UHF,didn't have to listen to anyone:)

But i did have a Sat phone..

Never had any issues,take it steady and be careful.

[steane]

There was a two day rock concert at big red and we were heading east on the QAA as the folks leaving the concert headed west. Was very busy.

Of course nobody knows which dune you are going up. When its as busy as it was for us, plenty of travellers were confirming they were cresting a dune. When there are half a dozen groups in uhf range and heading towards you, you keep them informed. You also expect others to answer and work with you, which most did.

People towing campers up the east face of big dunes dont go slow. It doesnt matter how slow and steady you take it when you have five tonnes of steel cresting a dune the same time as you do there is a chance it won't end well.

It wasn't a normal drive down the QAA although I'd never do it without a uhf.

I've witnessed three close calls at the top of dunes all due to people without uhfs or not using them.

[weeds]

Of course nobody knows which dune you are going up. When its as busy as it was for us, plenty of travellers were confirming they were cresting a dune. When there are half a dozen groups in uhf range and heading towards you, you keep them informed. You also expect others to answer and work with you, which most.


Of course nobody knows which dime they are going up.....need I say anymore.

You said you called up just as you were cresting.....so if the other vehicle calls just as they are cresting who gives way to who??

Everybody says flags saves you on the desert, you didn't mention is flags saved the collision. Either way I don't rate them for saving you.

When I crossed the Simpson next to nobody was on CH10, was this the channel you wee on??.......I got in trouble for being on scan, yes covering all channels by two other vehicles traveling in convoy and we had visual in each other. When in the dunes or no visual just because the other were I range I have no idea which dime they were about to go over.

Sorry just don't get communicating on the track to avoid collision as you have know idea were each party is..........

I doubt I would have planned traveling west to east after a big red concert.......a guarantee you would come across a lot of traffic going the opposite way.

Maybe I'm missing the mark.

Maybe Pat will show it......but in a different light

[steane]

Yeah, you're missing the mark.

[Redback]

Well when we crossed in 05, we scanned the channels and had our radio on ch10, it's a good idea to keep an ear out for anyone else crossing, that way you know to keep your wits about you when cresting a dune, most travel in groups, so there is alway chatter on the UHF.

We actually spoke to others and got approximately where they were in relation to us, this gave us an idea on where we would come across one another, and contrary to what you may think Kelvin, you can see sand flags, we spotted the 2 we came across from about 2 or 3 dunes away, we kept an eye out as we were cresting dunes, because having heard and spoken to to others, we were aware that we may meet them.

So flags and listening to the UHF are good things to have and use, and as you know Kelvin, the dunes are not just straight up and over, so there is usually time to avoid a collision safely.

Baz.

[weeds]

Fair enough........you guys win

Maybe we will meet at the top of a dune one day[emoji8][emoji8]

I had my radio on scan because nobody was using CH10 , go figure and chatted to others but had no idea where others were in relation to me......I was wary every time I crested, I just don't get calling up on a radio saying I'm about to crest a dune........

I certainly didn't hear many 'I'm cresting a dune' compared to the the number of vehicles within range

I had a piece of rag stuck in the air......don't know if it is off assistance as I never had any close calls on dunes......I mentioned above I spotted two flags approaching but still copped a mount full from the lead car, I just drove off while he was mid sentence. I agree flags are off some assistance.

[Eevo]

sand flags dont prevent collisions, just gives you a seconds notice you going to be in one.

not everyone calls on ch10, plenty call on ch 40.
given line of sight, etc, your only broadcasting for about 10km, how many sand dunes does that cover? also, anyone who can hear you, is probably on the same side of the dune as you, and someone on the other side might not hear it.

[Redback]

Fair enough........you guys win

Maybe we will meet at the top of a dune one day[emoji8][emoji8]

I had my radio on scan because nobody was using CH10 , go figure and chatted to others but had no idea where others were in relation to me......I was wary every time I crested, I just don't get calling up on a radio saying I'm about to crest a dune........

I certainly didn't hear many 'I'm cresting a dune' compared to the the number of vehicles within range

I had a piece of rag stuck in the air......don't know if it is off assistance as I never had any close calls on dunes......I mentioned above I spotted two flags approaching but still copped a mount full from the lead car, I just drove off while he was mid sentence. I agree flags are off some assistance.

What do we get for winning Kelvin:cool:

I didn't hear 'I'm cresting a dune' either, but it did help knowing someone was nearby, which perpared us for a meet, luckly we met both on the flat between the dunes
I do realise you're never going to get the meeting point exact, but the devices do help in some way, just like other things you take on trips, some get used a lot, some don't.

So why did this guy give you a mouth full, we got death stares and totally ignored from one group, actually the lead vehicle drove past us and never even looked our way, some people are very odd I know, but a whole group:confused:

[steane]

I wasn't aware this was a competition that could be won or lost.

People use channel 10 when crossing the Simpson, it's just what they do. It's well known and recommended. Both times when I've been across there has been a heap of talk on 10. People let you know where they are (just past 'x' junction/land mark/rig # and heading 'direction' on 'x' track). Simple stuff to avoid an accident.

On the last trip EVERYONE within range was notifying when they were cresting a dune because of the traffic, except the people not using UHFs and Pat and his crew of course.

In fact people using their UHFs on channel 10 were passing messages back down the line to others heading in the same direction, to watch out for the dolt that had no radio, the one in the "white rodeo ute".

I've seen accidents nearly happen and only been avoided by luck and always involving someone driving through with no UHF and no idea what is heading in their direction.

Whether you want to believe it or not, or think you're an expert on what a UHF will or won't do, the facts are that people use 10 crossing the Simpson. When it's busy they'll chatter just so you know they are near you (if you hear them you know they are near you), they'll engage you if you are heading towards them and if they don't get a visual they'll be on the alert.

Do it whatever way you want though. Tie your jocks to a fishing rod to save a few bucks on a sand flag, strap an air raid siren to your roof and give it a blast in each swale to save a couple of hundred on a UHF.

Whatever works.

And sand flags DO prevent collisions because you can see the fluro orange flags bouncing around in the distance when you otherwise might not spot the car. Often you only spot oncoming vehicles when the sun hits them.

If you only spot the sand flag before you hit the car it's on then a UHF might have helped you know they were near before the accident.

[weeds]

Doesn't matter Baz, I was probably missing the mark.

Should have just listen to he spray and followed his direction.

[weeds]

I wasn't aware this was a competition that could be won or lost.



People use channel 10 when crossing the Simpson, it's just what they do. It's well known and recommended. Both times when I've been across there has been a heap of talk on 10. People let you know where they are (just past 'x' junction/land mark/rig # and heading 'direction' on 'x' track). Simple stuff to avoid an accident.



On the last trip EVERYONE within range was notifying when they were cresting a dune because of the traffic, except the people not using UHFs and Pat and his crew of course.



In fact people using their UHFs on channel 10 were passing messages back down the line to others heading in the same direction, to watch out for the dolt that had no radio, the one in the "white rodeo ute".



I've seen accidents nearly happen and only been avoided by luck and always involving someone driving through with no UHF and no idea what is heading in their direction.



Whether you want to believe it or not, or think you're an expert on what a UHF will or won't do, the facts are that people use 10 crossing the Simpson. When it's busy they'll chatter just so you know they are near you (if you hear them you know they are near you), they'll engage you if you are heading towards them and if they don't get a visual they'll be on the alert.



Do it whatever way you want though. Tie your jocks to a fishing rod to save a few bucks on a sand flag, strap an air raid siren to your roof and give it a blast in each swale to save a couple of hundred on a UHF.



Whatever works.



And sand flags DO prevent collisions because you can see the fluro orange flags bouncing around in the distance when you otherwise might not spot the car. Often you only spot oncoming vehicles when the sun hits them.



If you only spot the sand flag before you hit the car it's on then a UHF might have helped you know they were near before the accident.


It's not a ****ing contest, I asked, you explain, I confirm I don't get it, happy to leave it there.

I'm no expert in UHF........just my experience.

I mentioned I had a piece of rag in the air, isn't that the same as a flag?? I even it worked on the flat, didn't experience any benefit

[DiscoMick]

When we went across we spoke on 10 and had another radio scanning 40 just in case. Was lots of radio traffic.
We used 10 to keep our convoy of 10 vehicles together and make sure the ones at the back didn't get left behind. That's convoy formation.
Our lead vehicle frequently stopped us as vehicles were coming from the opposing direction. Flags do make a difference and a rag on a stick is not good enough, I reckon.
Pretty dumb if Pat wasn't using his radio, I'd say. Also a bad idea to tow a camper.

[weeds]

When we went across we spoke on 10 and had another radio scanning 40 just in case. Was lots of radio traffic.
We used 10 to keep our convoy of 10 vehicles together and make sure the ones at the back didn't get left behind. That's convoy formation.
Our lead vehicle frequently stopped us as vehicles were coming from the opposing direction. Flags do make a difference and a rag on a stick is not good enough, I reckon.
Pretty dumb if Pat wasn't using his radio, I'd say. Also a bad idea to tow a camper.


My piece of rag was the size of a flag......in fact might have been a bit bigger.

I did have a flag sewn up for the trip but left it at home......I crossed in 07 or was it 06 pretty sure flags were not mandatory at that time..

[Redback]

My piece of rag was the size of a flag......in fact might have been a bit bigger.

I did have a flag sewn up for the trip but left it at home......I crossed in 07 or was it 06 pretty sure flags were not mandatory at that time..

05 Kelvin, same year as us, wet that year;)

Baz.

[steane]

It's not a ****ing contest, I asked, you explain, I confirm I don't get it, happy to leave it there.

I'm no expert in UHF........just my experience.

I mentioned I had a piece of rag in the air, isn't that the same as a flag?? I even it worked on the flat, didn't experience any benefit

Sorry, when you said "you guys win" I assumed there was a competition of some sort on.

I've never won anything in my life and was just trying to clarify.

Yes, I reckon a rag in the air is much like a flag. In fact, I imagine that there isn't much that is handier than a 'sand rag flag' for alerting other drivers, wiping hands, washing dishes, checking the dipstick, staunching the flow of blood and even surrendering when it's all got too much.

[DiscoMick]

My piece of rag was the size of a flag......in fact might have been a bit bigger.

I did have a flag sewn up for the trip but left it at home......I crossed in 07 or was it 06 pretty sure flags were not mandatory at that time..

Isn't a flag of a certain size on a post of a certain height a compulsory requirement to get a Desert Parks Pass, with serious fines if it is not installed? I have mine still stored in the shed for next time. I saw a ranger walking around the camping area at Dalhousie Springs looking at flags and stickers.

[scarry]

Isn't a flag of a certain size on a post of a certain height a compulsory requirement to get a Desert Parks Pass, with serious fines if it is not installed? I have mine still stored in the shed for next time. I saw a ranger walking around the camping area at Dalhousie Springs looking at flags and stickers.

Only been mandatory the last year or so.

But anyone with any common sense used one anyway,maybe not as high though.

[weeds]

Isn't a flag of a certain size on a post of a certain height a compulsory requirement to get a Desert Parks Pass, with serious fines if it is not installed? I have mine still stored in the shed for next time. I saw a ranger walking around the camping area at Dalhousie Springs looking at flags and stickers.


Mine would have been as big as the current Hi-vis ones, although it was white.

I don't recall of it was compulsory, it was about 3.5m high from the ground...... I have no idea what the current rules are.

I might have come across the wrong way, happy enough with everybody's opinions..........but a flew a flag, many didn't, I had radio on scan, I didn't call up for any dunes, I heard a call every now and than, I didn't tear the joint up, I took out more rubbish than I made, I offered a guy on motor bike a feed........all I'm saying is I don't get calling up on the radio (yep I don't get it) and I'm on the fence with flags. I see over the top safety everyday and also see a lot of people just follow the leader and never question anything.

On my next trip whatever is compulsory for the crossing I would do.....I cannot afford fines for the sake proving a point. If I use my current ride it has two radios, mine spec flag, hi-vis strip, wheel nut indicators, fire extinguisher and flashing light.

[DiscoMick]

I think the mine spec flag and the desert flag rules may be the same now - a guy at Opposite Lock told me the flag rules had been standardized at the top height and size to cut manufacturing costs.

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[Robmacca]

Gents,

Just watched the 1st episode of Mr4X4's series 8 with his Amarook. This episode was him heading across the Simpson. During this episode, the conversation got to Dual Cabs having chassis issues, etc, then showing a clip of the Birdsville Mechanic bringing back another 4x4 that had a chassis failure..... It was a Defender 130 sitting on the back !!!

Does anyone know more about this incident at all ??

[Redback]

Gents,

Just watched the 1st episode of Mr4X4's series 8 with his Amarook. This episode was him heading across the Simpson. During this episode, the conversation got to Dual Cabs having chassis issues, etc, then showing a clip of the Birdsville Mechanic bringing back another 4x4 that had a chassis failure..... It was a Defender 130 sitting on the back !!!

Does anyone know more about this incident at all ??

Wasn't a green one was it??

[steane]

Did they say it had a busted chassis or was it just some footage used as they were talking about the busted chassis issue? I recall seeing a pic, in the unsealed mag from memory, of a 130 being hauled out but someone on Aulro said it had a suspension issue. Possibly had the back axle come adrift...but not sure.

Wouldn't surprise me if they used the same footage and just let people assume what they want. Bit like I assumed Pat's Amarok was running a legal emissions system when he drove past me on the QAA Line.

[ramblingboy42]

sand flags dont prevent collisions, just gives you a seconds notice you going to be in one.

not everyone calls on ch10, plenty call on ch 40.
given line of sight, etc, your only broadcasting for about 10km, how many sand dunes does that cover? also, anyone who can hear you, is probably on the same side of the dune as you, and someone on the other side might not hear it.

.....and theres about 1199 other dunes than the one you're on.....

The other point is you should not be travelling that fast when you are cresting a dune , that you can't stop to avoid an oncoming.

If you need to be travelling fast to get over the dunes , you should stop and let a lot of air out of your tyres.

[Eevo]

The other point is you should not be travelling that fast when you are cresting a dune , that you can't stop to avoid an oncoming.[/COLOR]

or drive fast enough to get airborne and glide over the other car.

[Chops]

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If you need to be travelling fast to get over the dunes , you should stop and let a lot of air out of your tyres.

Probably should have someone standing up on the hill too,, well someone has to take pics of stuff-ups anyway :angel:[/COLOR]

[Robmacca]

No, it was a White Dual Cab with a Trayback on it. U didn't really get a close look at it as it was on the back of the recovery truck as it drove past him..... They mentioned Chassis, but with the quick look as it drove past, it's a bit hard to tell if the chassis was bent or not...


Wasn't a green one was it??

[Robmacca]

Yes, good old Pat did say it had a busted chassis from memory..... Hard to tell though as it drove past on the back of the recovery truck....

Just tried searching the net for the 1st episode but I couldn't find it...... it might pop up on u-tube ??



Did they say it had a busted chassis or was it just some footage used as they were talking about the busted chassis issue? I recall seeing a pic, in the unsealed mag from memory, of a 130 being hauled out but someone on Aulro said it had a suspension issue. Possibly had the back axle come adrift...but not sure.

Wouldn't surprise me if they used the same footage and just let people assume what they want. Bit like I assumed Pat's Amarok was running a legal emissions system when he drove past me on the QAA Line.

[huggies]

Man that Amarok exhaust droned like crazy, would need a set of bose noise canceling headphones if you where going to rack up the km's