BAS Remap

[Beery]

Check this out in Group Buys:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/group-buy/220944-new-bas-remap-tool-group-buy-pumas-only.html

Cheers
Tom

[Surrufus]

I'd be all over this like a fat kid on a cupcake... But I don't actually have my Defender yet! Doesn't arrive until late August D:

[Beery]

I'm sure Pete would allow you to purchase now to receive the special offer, and hold off on shipping until you have your Defender and know the VIN, ECU part number etc.

[Beery]

This the device

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[cccp53]

I love BAS !!! [bigwhistle]

[Beery]

Here are some of Pete's screen shots of the BAS2. This is just scratching the surface

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[1nando]

I'm actually booked in for Tuesday week with Bruce Davis performance. I have a 2.2 110, am getting a front mounted intercooler and turbo back 2.5 inch exhaust and remap. I'll post up before and after for everyone to have a look at.

Can't wait :)

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[Beery]

Finally got er in the shed. There's nothing worse than leaving gear sitting out in the weather.
Now patiently waiting for a remap and Allisport intercooler from Pete Bell.

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[Pickles2]

I'm actually booked in for Tuesday week with Bruce Davis performance. I have a 2.2 110, am getting a front mounted intercooler and turbo back 2.5 inch exhaust and remap. I'll post up before and after for everyone to have a look at.

Can't wait :)

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So, He uses B.A.S. programs/Maps?
Pickles.

[1nando]

So, He uses B.A.S. programs/Maps?
Pickles.

I'm not too sure pickles. Could be alive tuning???? I didn't ask.

Anyone know?

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[Beery]

I'm not too sure pickles. Could be alive tuning???? I didn't ask.

Anyone know?

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Im pretty sure he was reseller for Alive

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[1nando]

Im pretty sure he was reseller for Alive

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From what I have read, both alive tuning and bas seem to getting very similar results.

Is one better than the other? I don't know.

I would assume that the difference in tune would more than likely be non existent or extremely small.

Canot anyone confirm if there is a difference?

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[Beery]

They're both excellent products by all accounts. Everything you read on this site about them is positive!

The advantage of the BAS2 tool is that its a full diagnostic and service tool for the engine that also writes remaps to your ecu, displays your choice of live data (graphic or numerical), logs that data, programs and learns new injectors/vcv's. Its also not restricted to one vehicle, you can use the tool on all your compatible Landys.

[Pickles2]

Well, I've read all about this on Def 2, & it sounds REALLY positive with some outstanding results.
And it's getting "closer" to Melbourne with guys in NSW getting involved, but I am computer/electronics USELESS, so until there is someone in Melbourne who can supply support to me in the event of a "stuff up", I'm afraid I'll be watching only.
Pickles.

[Beery]

Could be a good opportunity to learn Pickles!
Pete is putting together some very good step-by-step instructions on how to use the tool, including how to install your new unlocked ECU. (You have a 2.2?)

Remember that for the 2.2 puma, Pete sends you a brand new ecu (Free!) to install so that your original ecu isnt altered at all.
If the ***** hits the fan and you cant fix it (unlikely) just remove the new ecu and plug your original one back in to get you going.

[Pickles2]

Beery, thanks.
Yes, I'm aware of that, so like I said, I'll be watching closely.
The one person I did speak to in Melbourne was a rep from Ritters, who didn't show a lot of interest in doing anything to the Puma 2.2, but He did mention that unlike Europe, the Aussie heat could be an issue, so will you be fitting a better intercooler at the same time?
Pickles.

[Beery]

Beery, thanks.
Yes, I'm aware of that, so like I said, I'll be watching closely.
The one person I did speak to in Melbourne was a rep from Ritters, who didn't show a lot of interest in doing anything to the Puma 2.2, but He did mention that unlike Europe, the Aussie heat could be an issue, so will you be fitting a better intercooler at the same time?
Pickles.

Yeah I've also ordered an allisport intercooler. I'm also considering installing a "warm climate" thermostat at some point.

The Aussie heat would only become a problem with a careless driver behind the wheel.
The extra power/torque from a remap is mostly going to be used during acceleration, an event that usually lasts only a for a matter of seconds. Once you are at cruising speed, you're only 'using' the same level of power as you would one a standard map (same vehicle, load, conditions etc) with short lasting adjustments to maintain speed.

Long hills just require a bit of common sense, as does carrying/towing heavy loads - drive to the conditions

[Pickles2]

Yeah I've also ordered an allisport intercooler. I'm also considering installing a "warm climate" thermostat at some point.

The Aussie heat would only become a problem with a careless driver behind the wheel.
The extra power/torque from a remap is mostly going to be used during acceleration, an event that usually lasts only a for a matter of seconds. Once you are at cruising speed, you're only 'using' the same level of power as you would one a standard map (same vehicle, load, conditions etc) with short lasting adjustments to maintain speed.

Long hills just require a bit of common sense, as does carrying/towing heavy loads - drive to the conditions
Tops, you'll be doing "before & after" BHP & torque figures on the rollers?...It'd be good to know them.
Pickles.

[Beery]

Tops, you'll be doing "before & after" BHP & torque figures on the rollers?...It'd be good to know them.
Pickles.

To be honest, I hadn't really thought of getting dyno figures. If i was into that I wouldn't be driving a Defender! :p I'm more interested in how it feels to drive and looking after the engine (i.e. EGR off, bigger intercooler).

Pete has done extensive dyno testing, so I'm pretty happy to take his word for the numbers.

[Pickles2]

For sure, Pete is the "Guru", no doubt about that, NONE at all.
But with this stuff, whilst I'm sure your Defender will go much better, IMHO, there's always a bit of a "Placedo Affect", so I always like to know the actual nunbers, and there will probably be a dyno on site anyway, for any tuner that's fair dinkum,...it'd also be interesting to see how the Aussie numbers compare to the UK ones?
C'mon, ya know we all wanna know?!!!
Regards, Pickles.
NB: I'll be following your progress with interest.

[Beery]

The BAS2 RRC displays calculated torque. How's that?
See bottom left of the picture
I can log data while running the standard map and then the BAS remap to give a comparison!

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[cccp53]

Eva QUOTE=Pickles2;2373365]For sure, Pete is the "Guru", no doubt about that, NONE at all.
But with this stuff, whilst I'm sure your Defender will go much better, IMHO, there's always a bit of a "Placedo Affect", so I always like to know the actual nunbers, and there will probably be a dyno on site anyway, for any tuner that's fair dinkum,...it'd also be interesting to see how the Aussie numbers compare to the UK ones?
C'mon, ya know we all wanna know?!!!
Regards, Pickles.
NB: I'll be following your progress with interest.[/QUOTE]

Hi Pickles, I can't give you any dyno figures, but i was driving for the last 3 month with BAS City Tune (no intercooler needed) , you can feel the big difference in the beginning and then you getting used to it, feels like nothing special, I am getting this week BAS2 RRC, whith his new Autobiography tune, so I changed my car back to "normal ", no tune, to drive it for a week, wow...., what a difference - I can tell you - even 1 stage tune is so much better to drive, and I am not talking about speed, it's changing the car in so good way, you became addicted to it...(in good way ;)

[Surrufus]

Does anyone know the difference between the standard and Autobiography tunes?

[Beery]

Does anyone know the difference between the standard and Autobiography tunes?

Hopefully Pete will chime in with an answer.

My understanding was that the Autobiography tune can only be applied to MY15 Defenders with DSC. I could be wrong though.

[Pickles2]

I was REALLY hoping that the Autobiography
"factory tune" would be something that I could order from my friendly JLR Dealer, particularly if it's only an ECU,.....if it is only that, & I can buy one, I will, but I'm not hopeful, particularly as the model is not available in Aus,...but maybe some of the UK guys might,...the vehicle then still being "Factory".
NOT denigrating BAS tunes at all, just another possible, but unlikely, possibility!
Pickles.
cccp53, Thanks for your interesting, & descriptive, info.

[B-A-S]

I'm actually booked in for Tuesday week with Bruce Davis performance. I have a 2.2 110, am getting a front mounted intercooler and turbo back 2.5 inch exhaust and remap. I'll post up before and after for everyone to have a look at.

Can't wait :)

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Do make sure you stick with the standard 63mm diamiter pipe, larger diamiter pipes can cause the turbo to over speed at high revs due to no back pressure.

You will also need to make sure you have some sort of mufler box in their or it will be way way to loud.

Kind Regards Pete

[B-A-S]

Well, I've read all about this on Def 2, & it sounds REALLY positive with some outstanding results.
And it's getting "closer" to Melbourne with guys in NSW getting involved, but I am computer/electronics USELESS, so until there is someone in Melbourne who can supply support to me in the event of a "stuff up", I'm afraid I'll be watching only.
Pickles.


Hi Pickles, im over your side of the forum pond now hehe.

The BAS2 RRC tool has built in ECU recovery mode unlike any other tool on the market. you can not kill the ecu by bad programming and that included pulling the tool out half way through the tuning process.

But do remember we are not touching your original cars ecu on the 2.2 so this will always work anyway.

Kind Regards Pete

[B-A-S]

First video totaly standard car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dfb8vkGb8j4

Second video tuned car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W6kIAIkCY4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ03wygV4qM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS-sbUFqi3c


Pete

[B-A-S]

Does anyone know the difference between the standard and Autobiography tunes?


The new Autobiography tuning is based arround smooth delivery with the same maximium power. The concept behind it is because a lot of people have a problem even on a standard car with very low speed and low throttle input getting Kangeroo feeling going on.

The 150 Autobiography is also aimed to give the same power output and driving style as LR are doing on its special models its just releasing. I can not see that LR will ever offer it to its old models and they have actually changes the clutch on those models "to make the car different"

[B-A-S]

Live Data on Standard car driving up the road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiAtyFOiAx0


Lice Data on tuned car driving up the road. Spot the difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv476PGbelI

[Beery]

Pete,
Have you finalised your your fix for the jerky throttle at low speed?
Would have to be one of the best possible improvements to a puma's driveability..

[B-A-S]

Pete,
Have you finalised your your fix for the jerky throttle at low speed?
Would have to be one of the best possible improvements to a puma's driveability..


Yes mate all finished and ready for use :D It does as the proble suggests smooth out the delivery and keeps thing very smooth under 80% throttle,, from 80% throttle upwards we just demand full power RPM dependant.

This gives the best of both worlds, smooth in slow speed and towns as well as full power on full pedal when needed.


Regards Pete

[1nando]

Yes mate all finished and ready for use :D It does as the proble suggests smooth out the delivery and keeps thing very smooth under 80% throttle,, from 80% throttle upwards we just demand full power RPM dependant.

This gives the best of both worlds, smooth in slow speed and towns as well as full power on full pedal when needed.


Regards Pete

How reliable is the 2.2 puma with your tune. I'm doing a front mounted cooler and a full 2.5 inch turbo back exhaust.
I've been told around 160-170 horse power and around 440-460 torque.....are these figures considered to be safe on a otherwise standard 2.2?
How confident are you in the engine with your tune?

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[B-A-S]

Im happy with the tuning level and prodivind the car is maintained correctly and serviced with the correct oils and not somthing that claims to be correct then you wont have any tuning related problems.

We have over 40 rally cars all runnng the same level of tune worldwide and so if their ever was an abusive test bed its those cars. The cars range in all climates from cooler to the hotest places and so all sinarios have been covered already.

As for the exhaust change, it will give you nothing more power wise than with the standard exhaust though it will allow gas to pass better and give some exhaust note.

ADVICE. do not use a straight through pipe system, it will cause problems and the turbo will over speed at high revs as the lack of back pressure what IS required by the turbo will have gone. If anything it will be the wrong modifications that cause the car problems overall.




Regards Pete

[1nando]

Im happy with the tuning level and prodivind the car is maintained correctly and serviced with the correct oils and not somthing that claims to be correct then you wont have any tuning related problems.

We have over 40 rally cars all runnng the same level of tune worldwide and so if their ever was an abusive test bed its those cars. The cars range in all climates from cooler to the hotest places and so all sinarios have been covered already.

As for the exhaust change, it will give you nothing more power wise than with the standard exhaust though it will allow gas to pass better and give some exhaust note.

ADVICE. do not use a straight through pipe system, it will cause problems and the turbo will over speed at high revs as the lack of back pressure what IS required by the turbo will have gone. If anything it will be the wrong modifications that cause the car problems overall.




Regards Pete

Thanks for the prompt reply Pete.
I would have thought that the exhaust would contribute to a quicker spool up and better mid range torque.
I'm getting my car done by Bruce Davis performance, I think he uses a alive tune. Maybe you should contact him about potentially selling your tune.

Anyway thanks again for the info

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[B-A-S]

Thanks for the prompt reply Pete.
I would have thought that the exhaust would contribute to a quicker spool up and better mid range torque.
I'm getting my car done by Bruce Davis performance, I think he uses a alive tune. Maybe you should contact him about potentially selling your tune.

Anyway thanks again for the info

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That is the exact gain and problem all in one. The free flow exhausts allows the turbo spool faster... BUT the free flow exchaut also allows turbo over spool or over speed!!. Especially so when the back pressure is none existant.

Do you know if Bruce Davis performance has the back pressure measuements V rpm for the standard car V his exhaust ?

For genuine non DPF cars I do not have the exact standard data for as in the UK we do not have them but I strongly suspect it will be the same as a DPF car and the designed restriction is within the CAT front box.

My advice is remove the centre and rear boxes only unless the full turbo back system has a simlar matching back pressure of the standard system or it could induce problems.

Regards Pete

[Beery]

That is the exact gain and problem all in one. The free flow exhausts allows the turbo spool faster... BUT the free flow exchaut also allows turbo over spool or over speed!!. Especially so when the back pressure is none existant.

Do you know if Bruce Davis performance has the back pressure measuements V rpm for the standard car V his exhaust ?

For genuine non DPF cars I do not have the exact standard data for as in the UK we do not have them but I strongly suspect it will be the same as a DPF car and the designed restriction is within the CAT front box.

My advice is remove the centre and rear boxes only unless the full turbo back system has a simlar matching back pressure of the standard system or it could induce problems.

Regards Pete


So Pete, would the centre and rear mufflers alone provide enough back pressure if the cat was removed?

[B-A-S]

If im totally honest,, removing the cat only and or DPF does not make any difference to the power of the car at this level of tuning, it will allow some noise difference and leaving the standard centre and rear boxes in place should help keep back pressure up a little yes.

But really all for no real gain in perfomance and only noise.

Regards Pete

[Beery]

Fair enough. I was thinking more along the lines of keeping exhaust gas temperatures down and removing a heat source from the engine bay to help in hot weather i.e. 40-50 degrees

[AndyG]

Fair enough. I was thinking more along the lines of keeping exhaust gas temperatures down and removing a heat source from the engine bay to help in hot weather i.e. 40-50 degrees

You might want ot consider exhaust wrap, so far my experience has been very successful

[tact]

As per the title... My BAS2 tool has been with UPS IN Malaysia since Friday and scheduled to deliver sometime today. It's just turning 2pm here. So itchy to get my hands on it!

[Beery]

Likewise! My BAS2 RRC and intercooler are awaiting collection in the morning:cool:.
Christmas has come early this year

[filcar]

Really fast delivery to Melbourne, ordered Last Monday and arrived last Friday, engine remapped over the weekend, and intercooler goes in on Wednesday.


150hp remap has transformed the 90, completely different car.


Hardest part of the whole exercise was unplugging the ECU, the first plug was a bit stubborn and wouldn't release but once it was off the rest came easily.


Pete's help and FAQ on his website made the whole job easy, the tool updater on the PC and the app on the Ipad just work perfectly.


The live data the tool can provide is interesting, but I will continue using the ultra gauge.


Very happy chappie.

[tact]

So mine arrived yesterday afternoon at last! Yay! (It was actually a quick delivery - I was just tooooo itchy to get hands on it)

After dinner and a couple of rums I decided to tackle the process.

For the 2.2 TDCi the first step is to connect up the tool to the port on the vehicle and read all the original ECU data, then send that and some added info to Pete at BAS. (The tool allows you to fire off an email with the info to BAS right from the tool)

Pete then comes back to you with what you need to install the new ECU and load up your existing vehicle standard tune/maps onto the new ECU.

(Malaysian vehicles have some strange setup and Pete was very helpful getting me to the point where I could start the car with the new ECU installed)

After test driving with the standard maps on the new ECU it was time for bed for me!

Over breakfast this morning, just before leaving for the office, I downloaded the 2.2 150hp Autobiography tune onto my BAS2 tool. Then took it to the car and flashed it onto the ECU.

Dead simple! Maiden drive was on the way to the office. Normally a 5 min drive, strangely took me about 90min this morning.. I took the LOOOOONG route.

Needless to say am grinning from ear to ear. Staff amazed as they knew I was pre-caffeinated and normally look more surly for the first meetings of the morning. :twisted:

The tune really does transform the car! Not in a smoking tyres, drifting commute kind of way. C'mon 150hp is only a 25% boost from 120hp

The vehicle does pull away from idle a little easier, though that was never difficult. The real magic starts around 2000rpm where you feel the extra urge pushing you along more rapidly. And SMOOTH.... yes... Working through the gears, the throttle control and response made it very much a pleasure.

Loving it. Will write in more detail when I have more data and more time behind the wheel

THANKS PETE BELL (BAS)!!

(The group buy thread is here.... Do yourself a favour: http://www.aulro.com/afvb/group-buy/220944-new-bas-remap-tool-group-buy-pumas-only.html#post2372516 )

[Beery]

Mine got here safe & sound. Thanks Pete!

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[B-A-S]

Thank you for your kind words Tact, glad all was good for you.


Today due to polular demand im going to add to all 150BHP tuning the egr closed in normal operation. Im still leaving the factory 145kmh speed limiter as I feel this is plenty for a non intercooler Defender in a hot climate and reliability is key.

The egr will be commanded closed and DOES NOT need blanking at this stage as it will remain active for any emergency temprature control the engine management needs to use it for.

All 150bhp owners will have an updated file set at some point today which can be taken using the pc updater tool and clicking Program Flash Fiiles :) Enjoy.

As you know any problems at all please do not hesitate to email me on the tech.bas2 email address and ill assist where needed.

For me now I go and play in the Matrix :D

Pete

[B-A-S]

Glad all arrived safe Beery, ill await your email. :)

[filcar]

Today due to polular demand im going to add to all 150BHP tuning the egr closed in normal operation.....

All 150bhp owners will have an updated file set at some point today which can be taken using the pc updater tool and clicking Program Flash Fiiles :) Enjoy....
Pete
Excellent news Pete, I will be keeping any eye out on https://www.facebook.com/groups/bas2rrc/ as I assume you will announce it there??

[B-A-S]

They will all be done within the next 4 hrs :) im on it as we speak, il also post in the news and updates section on FB to let everyone know.

If anyone is using iTunes on their I device please leave a nice app review where you can. https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bas2-rrc/id994176921'mt=8 We also have review enabled on our web shop items if you would be so kind.

[1nando]

I just dropped my car at Bruce Davis. I have a 2.2 and says he is going to turn it off on the software and blank it(egr). I'm the first 2.2 he's blanking. Not sure whether to be happy or a bit scared?
I know it's not really the thread topic but any advice would be appreciated

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[B-A-S]

Well tested then :eek:

[1nando]

Is it safe on the 2.2 or is this uncharted water?

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[B-A-S]

Their is no real reason to blank it as well and really I feel if you need to put the car back to standard for any dealer work tuning wise its uneeeded work removing the blank just for that.

With the map switching option you can periodiclly return the car back to standard and run with a fully functional ecu and egr valve to keep things moving should it even need to be at the dealers for warranty work.

Just my views.

[B-A-S]

Two pictures attached Ive just taken on my car sing the BAS2 RRC live data facility of the factory working egr and BAS commanded closed egr.

[tact]

Is it safe on the 2.2 or is this uncharted water

Closing the EGR, or disable and blanking, on other vehicles and older LRs may have been fairly easy and the done thing.

I had lots of voices telling me or asking me "blanked EGR off yet?" from the day I bought my Defender.

That of course got me searching the web for info. You have to sort through carefully because I started to see information about the TDCi Land Rovers that indicated the normal ways to disable/blank the EGR all end up in some sort of grief (to a greater or lesser degree).

You will find sites describing putting a plate in the tube with holes in it to let some flow through... can't block it totally or the ECU throws a fit and flags the EGR valve as faulty. Have to trial and error experiment with the hole sizings etc.. Live with MIL light on etc...

Then there was one site giving detail on what seemed to me the most workable physical solution... opening up the little motor/gears that drive the EGR valve and removing some of the little gear wheels... so that the ECU still thinks the valve is functional...

All seems a lot of pain. Then one day I saw a post advising someone seeking the same as me - "Just get a remap that closes the EGR". If not for that I'd have never even considered a remap.

(Now I have the 150 Autobiography tune loaded - I realise how much I would have missed with the attitude that a remap is just about more power/torque and thats not what I primarily wanted. The tune is about far more than power/torque. The improvements in drivability are really key!)

So if your tuner is going to blank off the EGR... Better check they have done it to another vehicle the exact same spec/model as yours. Its not plain sailing with the TDCIs apparently. [Edit: Just re-read your earlier post... this is the first 2.2 TDCi he is doing?! Hope it works for you. All I read (not first hand experience) indicates this is not likely a happy path]

[B-A-S]

All 150BHP Autobiography remap owners with BAS2 have update waiting should they wish to use it.

EGR commanded closed now as standard within the 150bhp AB remap, as well as fast write option for tuned files which only takes 65 seconds to write and not the full 4 mins 40 seconds.

Click Firmware update to B2444 and it will update/overwrite if already on this build the BAS2 main firmware and re apply the tuning files to the tool. Enjoy...


More good news coming very soon for 2.4 Puma owners... back to the Matrix for me now :D

[1nando]

Closing the EGR, or disable and blanking, on other vehicles and older LRs may have been fairly easy and the done thing.

I had lots of voices telling me or asking me "blanked EGR off yet?" from the day I bought my Defender.

That of course got me searching the web for info. You have to sort through carefully because I started to see information about the TDCi Land Rovers that indicated the normal ways to disable/blank the EGR all end up in some sort of grief (to a greater or lesser degree).

You will find sites describing putting a plate in the tube with holes in it to let some flow through... can't block it totally or the ECU throws a fit and flags the EGR valve as faulty. Have to trial and error experiment with the hole sizings etc.. Live with MIL light on etc...

Then there was one site giving detail on what seemed to me the most workable physical solution... opening up the little motor/gears that drive the EGR valve and removing some of the little gear wheels... so that the ECU still thinks the valve is functional...

All seems a lot of pain. Then one day I saw a post advising someone seeking the same as me - "Just get a remap that closes the EGR". If not for that I'd have never even considered a remap.

(Now I have the 150 Autobiography tune loaded - I realise how much I would have missed with the attitude that a remap is just about more power/torque and thats not what I primarily wanted. The tune is about far more than power/torque. The improvements in drivability are really key!)

So if your tuner is going to blank off the EGR... Better check they have done it to another vehicle the exact same spec/model as yours. Its not plain sailing with the TDCIs apparently. [Edit: Just re-read your earlier post... this is the first 2.2 TDCi he is doing?! Hope it works for you. All I read (not first hand experience) indicates this is not likely a happy path]

He has mentioned that the software turns the egr off. But he wants to blank it to avoid it from possibly leaking. Apparently this is pretty new as for a long time there was no way to switch of the egr on the 2.2

Bruce Davis is a very knowledgeable person when it comes to land rovers, I'm trusting his experience and expertise.

I'll let you know how it goes

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[B-A-S]

While the valve is in good working order mechaniclly it really does not need blanking as well combined with the spring tension and the PWM commanding it closed its eniough also tied with its EGR clean cycle which still remains active keeping things moving plenty eniough not to leak gass as it is without a plate fitted.

I first cracked the EGR on the 2.2 well over two years ago published a video on Feb 17, 2013 and have not ever had one that leaks from its valve seat ever. Its worth periodiclly returning the car back to stock tuning to give all the pipework a blow out removing any cobwebs etc etc and thats about all thats needed.

I appreciate its each to their own and am not knocking anyone choosing to make blanking but I feel currently its an expence and fuss for a valve that is so new that will remain good for a long time yet without problems.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRAb8-F_75c

[DieselDan]

Hmmm seriously considering this!
Liking the idea of a bit of extra poke and closing the EGR.

Pete,
I know it's a loaded question and the answer will be 'depends how heavy your right foot is', but any info on the effects to fuel economy of your 150bhp tune??

Cheers.

[enchappo]

Hi Pete,

A really great looking product, and the universally positive feedback is an amazing endorsement. And thanks for being so engaged with this thread and providing such comprehensive feedback.

I'm very keen on the 170bhp tune and intercooler combo, but still have a couple of years left under warranty (MY15 D90). So no keeping the standard intercooler is attractive from that perspective. Do you have any views on the various potential tune/intercooler combos and their pros and cons for a warm but not tropical climate (NSW in Aus)?

If this has been covered already on Def2 or elsewhere just point me there!

Thanks
Nick

[tact]

Hmmm seriously considering this!
Liking the idea of a bit of extra poke and closing the EGR.

Pete,
I know it's a loaded question and the answer will be 'depends how heavy your right foot is', but any info on the effects to fuel economy of your 150bhp tune??

Cheers.

I would challenge/encourage you to turn that around... do it for the pleasure that comes with the improvement in how your vehicle drives across the full range of throttle positions/loads. I know this is not intuitive. Usually all that we think about regards a remap is just power.. Power... POWER! (and torque!)

But seriously - Pete has pulled off something more than just a power/torque bump. Whether its a leisurely drive barely exceeding 1/4 throttle in each gear... or more rapid progress without exceeding half throttle in each gear... without even using the extra power/torque - Whatever Pete has done with throttle curves and any other secret tweaks - it makes the drive sweeter.

Just think of the extra poke as a bonus. When you do tap it ... its a nice feel too.

[tact]

He has mentioned that the software turns the egr off. But he wants to blank it to avoid it from possibly leaking. [..]

I'll let you know how it goes


So how is it going?

[tact]

This is a link to a thread I created to try raise awareness that (at least the BAS 150 Autobiography tune) is not just about the power/torque boost.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/221430-improvements-tdci-driving-experience.html#post2377888

If anyone here gets into the Autobiography tune and find a similar experience - please do share in the thread above.

I am thinking this is a bit of a paradigm shift. Apparently validated by LR themselves in that they do a 150hp smooth tune for their Celebration edition Autobiography Defenders.

[B-A-S]

As tact quite rightly mentions it not all about power power power.

I hilighted and showed publiclly to all its readers and Landrover where the driving problem was starting from way back in March this year and have been working on the solution a lot longer than that part time in the back ground and had to be "koi" about what I posted at the time so I didnt get bombarded with when will it be ready questions.

It does seem to stem from my original post that all of a sudden every other tuner is working out the smooth problems within their maps. I wonder where they saw the problem hilighted :D

To get the full understanding of mt quoted reply I paste here but will need to read the thread.

DEFENDER2.NET - View topic - accelerating in 2nd (and 3rd) - 2.2tdci (http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic35757.html)



You could ask your tuner to adjust the torque request at the 800rpm idle speed if thats where your problem is mostly though not their thing to fix really, or drive round it ?


1st gear std

0.781% throttle scaling to 99.609% for 800rpm idle speed.

-23.844Nm
-5.688
11.844
33.531
68.281
89.500
112.594
130.906
147.594
164.844
177.844
183.750
196.938
223.500
207.906
207.656

2nd gear

-19.531
10.406
26.875
61.406
84.719
104.844
124.438
144.031
153.969
168.000
178.031
188.906
198.750
229.906
230.594
230.563

3rd gear

-19.531
10.406
26.875
61.406
84.719
104.844
124.438
144.031
153.969
168.000
178.031
188.906
198.750
229.906
230.594
230.563

4th gear

-19.531
10.406
26.875
61.406
84.719
104.844
124.438
144.031
153.969
168.000
178.031
188.906
198.750
229.906
230.594
230.563

5th gear

-25.906
5.594
23.656
56.719
79.250
105.094
124.406
142.250
159.406
177.938
187.844
193.531
207.844
229.469
229.219
229.250

6th gear

-21.344
74.906
100.250
141.500
159.188
176.750
177.813
176.844
175.781
175.156
174.344
173.656
171.063
171.000
222.375
222.375

Note that at 0.781% throttle and in some cases 2.344% throttle their is a minus torque request figure as standard, the jerking will no doubt be coming from the transition as you throttle between 0.781% no throttle and upto 5.859% where the request goes from a minus NM request to a positive NM request with quite a jump.

1st gear difference between the two is 35.284Nm jump
2nd gear difference between the two is 46.406Nm jump
3rd gear difference between the two is 46.406Nm jump
4th gear difference between the two is 46.406Nm jump
5th gear difference between the two is 49.562Nm jump
6th gear difference between the two is 121.594Nm jump. This is the one that when cruising on the motorway at speed gives you the drivetrain clunk when you come on and off the the throttle.

Other maps also change things about a little but a tuner worth their salt should know that and so more changes may be needed to find a work round and fix the quirk should they wish to tackle it.

BUT the point im making is to jump between a minus Nm figure and a positive Nm figure on very small throttle action can give a big jump in Nm the engine is producing and so make a jerking action as it makes power then not then does then not etc etc.

The above said its not the tuners responcibility at idle speed as I personally feel its a fault built into the factory calibration. If eniough people complain to LR correctly about it they should be forced into making a real fix for it and not just leave it with unhappy people and cars.

Normal remap tuning is not designed or aimed to fix all LR factory quirks especially at idle speed type rpms if im honest, especially with no throttle action going on and so really its not your tuners fault or problem in the politest possibile way. Providing they have not messed with something in that area at the time of your remap they dont understand :mrgreen:

Its also may be worth having done on the car the PCM service adaptation reset.

Hope that all makes sense.

PS who did your remap ?

Pete

[B-A-S]

All 150BHP Autobiography remap owners with BAS2 have update waiting should they wish to use it.

EGR commanded closed now as standard within the 150bhp AB remap, as well as fast write option for tuned files which only takes 65 seconds to write and not the full 4 mins 40 seconds.

Click Firmware update to B2444 and it will update/overwrite if already on this build the BAS2 main firmware and re apply the tuning files to the tool. Enjoy...


More good news coming very soon for 2.4 Puma owners... back to the Matrix for me now :D
...

[HardCharger]

2.4 owner here, looking forward to your good news then. :)

[DieselDan]

I would challenge/encourage you to turn that around... do it for the pleasure that comes with the improvement in how your vehicle drives across the full range of throttle positions/loads. I know this is not intuitive. Usually all that we think about regards a remap is just power.. Power... POWER! (and torque!)

Not disagreeing with you, I don't need more power, that's not the reason I'm thinking about it, but as you yourself said....

[/QUOTE]Just think of the extra poke as a bonus. When you do tap it ... its a nice feel too.[/QUOTE]

:D

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[AndyG]

Here's a thought,
With the Autobiography massive 150 hp being endorsed by LR in an upspec model, we may have an argument to make in a warranty claim if we do the same to a lesser model :cool: , or i could just swap the ECU at service time. :angel:

[Beery]

A quick reminder that the BAS Group buy offer finishes tomorrow Sunday 5th at midnight AEST.

[Wolfman_TWP]

Ordered mine on Tuesday. Got it lunch time yesterday.

All installed and running this morning.

Drives much smoother than before, and gear changes are way smoother..

Highly recommended..

Going down south to give her another test run.

Wolf

[DieselDan]

A quick reminder that the BAS Group buy offer finishes tomorrow Sunday 5th at midnight AEST.

Had a last minute flurry of activity and decided to lump the money I was saving for a roof rack on the 150bhp AB tune instead. At 11.02pm last night :D

58minutes to spare so hopefully Pete includes me in the deal!

Just out of interest, having never imported anything over the customs/GST threshold, how does this work? Does Pete simply tick a box that says 'charge all customs/GST to the originator, not the importer'??

[Beery]

You'll be right.
Yeah Pete has an account with UPS and can pay import duties / taxes through them. You'll just receive the package and thats that.

[AndyG]

Does any know/considered an Insurer who is upgraded ECU tolerant.

BTW mine has left Botany, so almost at the house :)

[Tombie]

Does any know/considered an Insurer who is upgraded ECU tolerant.



BTW mine has left Botany, so almost at the house :)


Why would you even notify them? :)

It's also (in Aus) highly unlikely any will cover an illegal modification.....

[Beery]

Why would you even notify them? :)

It's also (in Aus) highly unlikely any will cover an illegal modification.....

Yes I'd probably keep that info close to my chest when dealing with insurers and authorities.
You could include the BAS2 device under your Home & Contents insurance 'portable cover' and you've always got the remap files online.

[B-A-S]

The BAS2 can be "seen" as a diagnostic tool since it covers all functions and for that would have no impact on insurance. its 2nd ffeature of applying more power is a different matter.


Basiclly if your car is in standard power form then its only a dingostic tool :D

[DieselDan]

My "diagnostic tool" arrived today.....:D

Thanks Pete.

[jc109]

Can anyone steer me in the direction of a how-to? I have a 2.4; have received my BAS2 RRC; have connected the tool to my computer and transferred software as required; plugged the tool into my OBD port; connected the tool and my iPhone and observed live data; BUT, I have no idea how to actually do anything with this and haven't noticed anything happen automatically. I've asked Pete for a nudge in the right direction but all I've seen is the Help section on his website and I didn't have a lot of luck there. Maybe it's my computer that's failing to show some things under 2.4tdci. Dunno. Anyway, I'm at a loss and am hoping there's a step-by-step someone could point me to.
Cheers.

[B-A-S]

Hi

You are nearly their.

Set default email address in the app.

Setting up Default Help Email | BAS Remaps, Powering the Landrover tuning world! (http://bellautoservices.co.uk/help-faq/bas2-rrc-help/setting-up-default-help-email/)

Then connect to car and request tuning by email.

Request Puma 2.4 Tuning File Via Email | BAS Remaps, Powering the Landrover tuning world! (http://bellautoservices.co.uk/help-faq/bas2-rrc-help/defender-puma-tdci/2-4tdci/request-puma-2-4-tuning-file-via-email/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oladWg0ckTk

Once I get the request I can make the files then you can update the tool once I send you confermation email back to say your files are ready.

BAS2 RRC Firmware & Calibration Update Tool | BAS Remaps, Powering the Landrover tuning world! (http://bellautoservices.co.uk/help-faq/bas2-rrc-help/pc-firmware-and-calibration-update-tool/)

After you update the tool with the new files you can enter the flash ecu menu and program the tune.

[jc109]

Good man. Thanks Pete. E-mail inbound.

[B-A-S]

You got mail,, it says.

1 up date tool by pressing program flash files on MAC/PC updater software.
2 connect tool to car, enter ecu flash menu and program STD+RECOVERY file.
3 road test car to get upto temp, enter service/test menu and with HOT engine and complete high pressure pump learn.
4 re enter ecu flash menu and now program the tuned file.
5 re enter service test menu and complete pilot correction.

6 done

[jc109]

Wow! All done and first drive post remap this morning. Holy Hell. And I thought my Defender was fun before... Thanks very much Pete.

[karlz]

Anyone in Melbourne with a 2.2 Puma with a BAS.
I'd love to feel it myself, before I buy.

But I'll buy the beers afterwards.

Cheers

[tact]

Anyone in Melbourne with a 2.2 Puma with a BAS.
I'd love to feel it myself, before I buy.

But I'll buy the beers afterwards.

Cheers

A Singaporean 2.2TDCi owner drove up to Kuala Lumpur a couple of weeks ago. Let him take the wheel of mine (170hp Autobiography). Would let you go for a drive too... but a bit far for you to come. :)

[Mjt084]

Anyone in Melbourne with a 2.2 Puma with a BAS.
I'd love to feel it myself, before I buy.

But I'll buy the beers afterwards.

Cheers

That's not a bad idea! Any Newcastle defender owners had the BAS Remap done?

[JayBoRover]

Wow! All done and first drive post remap this morning. Holy Hell. And I thought my Defender was fun before... Thanks very much Pete.
Ha ha. That's the reaction I remember!:cool: Scary fun sometimes! Never thought I'd feel the traction control working on bitumen so much:eek:.

[beanstar]

Hi all, newbie to the forums, but lurker for a while. My 2012 110 is just out of warranty so looking to start the perf mods. Been reading up on it all, so going with decat, remap and intercooler upgrade.

So from what I understand to pop in the BAS map on my deefer I'll need to unlock the OBD port or replace the ECU chip with the new one supplied. Being if I do this, I'll stuff it up somehow, so was wondering if anyone is providing the BAS upgrade in a professional setting in Sydney?

I've spoke to Bruce Davis and he is exclusively Alive. I may be able to sway him, but if not looking for others?

[tact]

Hi all, newbie to the forums, but lurker for a while. My 2012 110 is just out of warranty so looking to start the perf mods. Been reading up on it all, so going with decat, remap and intercooler upgrade.

So from what I understand to pop in the BAS map on my deefer I'll need to unlock the OBD port or replace the ECU chip with the new one supplied. Being if I do this, I'll stuff it up somehow, so was wondering if anyone is providing the BAS upgrade in a professional setting in Sydney?

I've spoke to Bruce Davis and he is exclusively Alive. I may be able to sway him, but if not looking for others?

If you are not up for the very easy tasks to DIY (I know I could do it, but struggled with "do I WANT to" DIY... And was thinking (sheer laziness) to get my local oil change guy to do it.). I ended up DIY. It was interesting.

Seriously with the BAS tune you don't need an expert. Just buy the gear and take it to your regular service guy and pay for the labour.

You will need your laptop and android/iDevice with wifi/data connection to the Internet.

[AndyG]

Hi all, newbie to the forums, but lurker for a while. My 2012 110 is just out of warranty so looking to start the perf mods. Been reading up on it all, so going with decat, remap and intercooler upgrade.

So from what I understand to pop in the BAS map on my deefer I'll need to unlock the OBD port or replace the ECU chip with the new one supplied. Being if I do this, I'll stuff it up somehow, so was wondering if anyone is providing the BAS upgrade in a professional setting in Sydney?

I've spoke to Bruce Davis and he is exclusively Alive. I may be able to sway him, but if not looking for others?

I have read to decat may be a bad idea as the turbo may over spool?
Sorry I don't know the Sydney indie scene.

[Damo89]

Hey guys. Looking at getting the BAS2 and using it on my 2.2L Defender. Just wondering if it will work on my partners 2.2L TD4 Freelander too and if Pete does a remap for that model Freelander? Ultimately I'd like to be able to use the same module for both cars if possible.

[AndyG]

Best you ask him

Contact us | BAS Remaps, Powering the Landrover tuning world! (http://bellautoservices.co.uk/contact/)

[Pickles2]

Hey guys. Looking at getting the BAS2 and using it on my 2.2L Defender. Just wondering if it will work on my partners 2.2L TD4 Freelander too and if Pete does a remap for that model Freelander? Ultimately I'd like to be able to use the same module for both cars if possible.
Different engines, so I wouldn't think so.
Pickles.

[fender95vnt]

If you talk to Pete at BAS he may repeat his last offer. As there seems to be a few looking Pete may provide an incentive.

[CS78]

Definitely would be interested if a group buycomes up again.

[gavrob]

I'm interested, 2.2 puma

[Damo89]

Definitely would be interested if a group buycomes up again.

Likewise!

[filcar]

Currently doing some decent distances and taking the chance to check the economy that the 170 remap and Allisport intercooler in the MY2012 Defender 90 are delivering.

Must say I am very, very surprised and happy. Distance covered so far is 1370 odd K's for an average return of 8.25 l/100K.

Best was 7.77 l/100K between Tocumwal to West Wyalong and once on the Newell Hwy it went up to 8.36 l/100K. Travelling at around 100 kph up to West Wyalong and then at around 110 kph on the Newell.

The manual figures I have worked out from the receipts and odometer are also in line with the figures that the Ultraguage is reporting ( I sort of thought the Ultraguage might be misreporting but it's pretty good).

I'll be towing a new Aussie Swag camper back down so will continue the exercise to see how she goes then too.

The remap is very nice to drive and undertaking is not a problem either!

[AndyG]

Agree, I reckon at least 10% improvement in economy

[LR V8]

I'm thinking those figures are km/ltr, not ltr/100km... just say'n :D

Pete

[AndyG]

I can say I got 10 per 100 k, which is definitely a10% improvement on previous, 12000 km on clock

[filcar]

I'm thinking those figures are km/ltr, not ltr/100km... just say'n :D

Pete

:eek: Yup was looking at the wrong column in the spreadsheet [bigwhistle]

Correct L/100K are average 11.87, best 10.4, still happy with those figures travelling mainly at around 110 kph.

[Beery]

:eek: Yup was looking at the wrong column in the spreadsheet [bigwhistle]

Correct L/100K are average 11.87, best 10.4, still happy with those figures travelling mainly at around 110 kph.

That looks more like it. I did 10.5L/100km last tank in my 130. That was mostly 80km/h town driving in/around Darwin though.

At 110km/h it was doing about 11.5L/100km, with half a load on and aircon.

Thats running the 150AB tune with the big intercooler. And bloody hell it gets along when you want it to.

[Beery]

That looks more like it. I did 10.5L/100km last tank in my 130. That was mostly 80km/h town driving in/around Darwin though.

At 110km/h it was doing about 11.5L/100km, with half a load on and aircon.

Thats running the 150AB tune with the big intercooler. And bloody hell it gets along when you want it to.

Correction. My fuel quantity was wrong. 12.0L/100km instead of 11.5L/100km

[tact]

Correction. My fuel quantity was wrong. 12.0L/100km instead of 11.5L/100km

Just out of curiosity - Are you guys correcting for speedo error if using stock tyres? The 235/85 tyres make for close to 5% more ambitious on kilometers travelled. (I.e. Odo says you did 105km but reality 100)

I made adjustments when on 235/85 tyres. And removed the adjustment when I fitted 255/35 as this tyre size brings odo closer to real.

[Beery]

I'm on 7.50R16 tyres. Havent made any adjustments for odometer inaccuracy.

[MrLandy]

Another question is, do you have a roof rack? Seems it makes a bigger difference than I thought. I'd be interested to know if these figures of 12l/100km at 110km/hr with BAS remap, are with or without a roof rack? Cheers

[Beery]

No roof rack. But i do have a bullbar and steel tray. Tare weight around 2250kg.
On that particular trip when I was getting those figures, I was carrying about 600kg on the back plus my old man as passenger. So it would have been close to the 3 ton mark.

Engine is also still a bit tight as it had only about 8000km on it at the time.

[tact]

So my numbers look like this:

For the year before I fitted tyres or tune:
Averaged 12.5l/100km - corrected for tyre size (or 11.91 uncorrected)

For the one month after fitting 170AB tune and big intercooler (before fitting larger tyres):
Averaged 13.28l/100km - corrected for tyre size. (or 12.57 uncorrected)
The higher consumption evidence of my enthusiastic "testing"!

For the last 2mths (nearly) since fitting the larger tyres:
Averaging 12.02 - correct for tyre size (or 11.45 adjusted for comparison)

This reduction is more reflecting me lightening up on the loud pedal to preserve the new larger MT tyres. A little lower than the year ago corrected figures but I cannot say the tune has conclusively delivered me better fuel economy yet. It's early days still and too many moving variables (tyres and driving styles) since the tune was fitted. Let's see what the trend is in the next 3mths

[ProjectDirector]

Another question is, do you have a roof rack? Seems it makes a bigger difference than I thought. I'd be interested to know if these figures of 12l/100km at 110km/hr with BAS remap, are with or without a roof rack? Cheers


Yeap, before I put the full length roof rack I was getting anywhere from 10-11 but now 11.5-12.5 sometimes 13s if Melbourne city driving only.

[Pickles2]

If I had a B.A.S. Remap, I would not be caring less about economy,....I'd be looking at what happened, when I put "the pedal to the metal".
Pickles.

[tact]

If I had a B.A.S. Remap, I would not be caring less about economy,....I'd be looking at what happened, when I put "the pedal to the metal".
Pickles.

Was exploring that in depth for a month or so! :twisted: Paid for it at the petrol station, but not a heavy burden really. ;)

Lots of fun!

(Edit: should add that the subtly taller gearing with the larger 255/85R16 tyres fitted works very well with the BAS 170AB tune - hits some kind of sweet spot ...)

[AndyG]

Happily a Bas remap has several benefits
More vroom
Better gear changes
economy
And cleaner oil with EGR closed
:D

[filcar]

Another question is, do you have a roof rack? Seems it makes a bigger difference than I thought. I'd be interested to know if these figures of 12l/100km at 110km/hr with BAS remap, are with or without a roof rack? Cheers

Running a steel expedition roof rack and side awning, ARB steel bullbar with Warn winch holding steel cable and Conti 235/85/16 AT.

No correction to Odo readings, but how much difference would it make? Obviously using different fuel pumps which may cut off at different levels (always filling to first click) and odo reading could be just a smidge from going from say .6 to .7 etc.

[tact]

[...] No correction to Odo readings, but how much difference would it make?


On my vehicle with 235/85R16 tyres the variance was approx 5%. (Totally unscientifically tested by repeated observations over months against GPS speed indication)

If true - a 5% speedo error can mean a 100km trip being recorded on odo as 105km.

Let's say you measured 10l used over said distance, that works out to:
9.52l/100km (using odo)
10l/100km (real)

Which makes no difference at all if you are just using the numbers yourself as a relative thing (i.e. has my consumption gone up or down).

[filcar]

... Which makes no difference at all if you are just using the numbers yourself as a relative thing (i.e. has my consumption gone up or down).

That's exactly what I am doing really, to see the difference between vehicle alone against towing the new camper trailer.

[AndyG]

How confident can we be that the Gps is accurate within x%?
I have no knowledge either way

[DiscoMick]

According to our GPS when the Defender's speedo reads 100 the actual speed is about 95, so you can cruise at indicated 105 and be legal. I seem to remember the GPS signal margin is about one metre but that might not be exactly correct.

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[AndyG]

That does not really answer my question,
Is / why a gps more accurate
I understand the Gps reported speed is an average, and takes no account on curves on the road, ie point to point.
A lot of opinions on google, and I believe it is probably quite accurate, more so than the speedo, but no hard evidence,

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Because in Australia speedos are required to over read. i.e. they read 100kph when velocity only 95kph
Don't ask me why seems nanny state to me.
The GPS will read accurately because it is not goverened by the same regs

[Longtimer]

Last time I looked, about 15 years ago, the Australian Standard for spedo's (not the bathers variety) only required an accuracy within +/- 10%....... This because of the various factors involved that contribute to errors. Modern electronic speedo's are supposed to be much more accurate, but are still only within a couple of percent.... And this is all with manufacture's specified tyres, pressures, etc...

Our problem really starts with radar guns/multi novas/speed cameras on poles/timed distance speed averagers etc.......
All of these devices are far more accurate than the humble speedo' (not the swimming togs variety). You can now be charged with speeding at only 1kmh over the limit. But if your speedo is telling you, that you are 8 kmh under the limit, you will get really upset.

So, I believe the consensus among some manufactures is to put speedo's for the next tyre size up into vehicles, as it eliminates much of the risk for them. And hence potential law suits..... An added bonus is the reduced speed in accidents.

Cheers,

Phill.

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[tact]

Last time I looked, about 15 years ago, the Australian Standard for spedo's (not the bathers variety) only required an accuracy within +/- 10%.......


This write up by RACQ is informative....
RACQ - Speedo Accuracy | Cars & Driving (http://www.racq.com.au/cars-and-driving/safety-on-the-road/driving-safely/speedo-accuracy)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Speedos are no longer permitted to read slow, any speedo inaccuracy (irrespective or any +/- 2 percent or +/- 10 percent error), must still read below the actual speed. Hence the 5 KPH off.

Do a test next time you're on the motorway with a GPS with speed active, you will find the majority of new vehicles travelling 5 KPH below the posted limit except those with aftermarket GPS on their screen or drivers who are obviously not obeying the limit

[cuppabillytea]

Can you believe I only found this thread just now?
My speedo is 5% optimistic on standard Contis 25% worn.
My best consumption was 9.5/100 at average speed 83.5 Km/Hr over a distance of 980 Km, on the 170 Hp flash. Not corrected.
Cheers, Billy.

[DiscoMick]

Can you believe I only found this thread just now?
My speedo is 5% optimistic on standard Contis 25% worn.
My best consumption was 9.5/100 at average speed 83.5 Km/Hr over a distance of 980 Km, on the 170 Hp flash. Not corrected.
Cheers, Billy.
That's typical. Mine is the same.

[filcar]

Final section of my trip between Inverell and Coolangatta where the limit is 100kph or less returned 10.3 L/100K.

[tact]

thanks to this discussion my thought process went:
- the app I use to trace vehicle expenses should have a way to compensate for different size tyres and speedo inaccuracy
- if it doesn't it should
- I should check
- wow, it does. Can set up different tyres and put a speedo correction factor against each one
- wow, you can set the date&odo that any specific tyre is fitted to the vehicle and the app calculates the correction factor for you automatically.

Nice! So when you look at a graph of costs or fuel consumption against over time there are no fluctuations purely due to a change in wheel size....

[MrLandy]

...hey Neil, how many decimal places does it calculate to? How many millimetres of tyre wear does it compensate for? Tyre pressures? Road sufaces? Idling time? Weight of vehicle load? Speed? Acceleration? Ambient temp? Wind direction and velocity? Space shuttle comparison? 😜

[tact]

...hey Neil, how many decimal places does it calculate to? How many millimetres of tyre wear does it compensate for? Tyre pressures? Road sufaces? Idling time? Weight of vehicle load? Speed? Acceleration? Ambient temp? Wind direction and velocity? Space shuttle comparison? 😜

Ahhhh .... None of the above. ;)

[tact]

Been running around town on and off the last 7hrs with version 2 of the 170AB tune. (170ABv2)

Initial impression: If you thought the AB tune was already smooooooth..... v2 takes it further and you likely don't believe me at this point as the original AB tune was already smooooooooth....

After loading the new tune I reversed out of my driveway and started off down the street, cold engine, cool morning, in 2nd gear... and before i had gotten to the first corner I was pinching myself trying to figure if I was imagining - it actually felt more powerful and smoother than before!

I emailed Pete Bell to ask him if I were just imagining it - he wrote back "as you can see have made some changes that make cars even smoother yet allow the same mid range max power as before"

Suhweeeeeeeeeet!

[Wolfman_TWP]

Just ran the 1.00.00 build 2511 (AB 150bhp) updated tune on my defender. And went for a test run.. Smooooooth! is right..

Shuweeeeeeet!

Wolf

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[tact]

---- cut n paste from BAS FB page -----
BAS2RRC Firmware B2511 is online for all to take....

Take it ONLY with Windows Updater V1.3 or MAC Updater V1.2,

People with 170AB or above files will also find a new version file on the tool (v2) you can program this to your cars also. We have made changes to drivability and stability to keep the wording simple so its worth updating to.

In the B2511 firmware we have also added.....

MY2015 Defender live value for steering angle sensor for those who have aftermarket steering bosses on to show they are aligned correctly..

Defender 2.4TDCi, added Renew Security so you can not fit new and used engine ecus should you need to..

and a bunch of other behind the scene changes I need not type about.

Enjoy.
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[B-A-S]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_A_FDdDtDY&feature=youtu.be