Picking up my 110 new Puma tomorrow excited!!!

[cafe latte]

I cant believe it will be here tomorrow :) I will have my Defender by this time tomorrow!! I have wanted a landy all my life and in less than a day I will have a new one :):)
I am worried and excited all in one. I have 300 km drive any driving tips re a new motor?
Thanks guys
Chris

[miker]

Good stuff mate!! Make the most of it...the smell, the excitement, THE SMILE.

This may sound a bit corny, but while the feeling will subside a bit, it never disappears. For 15 years I was with a company that rotated their new cars every 36mths. That's a lot more newbies than you would typically go through but I still couldn't wait to jump in the brick to get the smile back on the dial.

It's your ticket...enjoy the journey.

[JayBoRover]

I had a 400km drive from the dealer to home. Just enjoy the drive, stop occasionally to take roadside photo's, try to wipe the grin off your face and don't forget it's a 6 speed box!:cool:

[Toxic_Avenger]

Try to vary your revs and speed on the new engine if you can. Ie don't drive the whole 300km in 6th at 2200rpm.
The other treason of thought is to give it hell during the break in as opposed to babying it.

Others might have a more educated reason behind the different methods.

[loneranger]

Congratulations. :D

What happened to the test drive? What have you bought?

[Pocket Rocket]

I have 300 km drive any driving tips

Take some music. Once you get the speed up it will come apparent as to why they provide such a loud stereo :)

Enjoy! It will be the most amazing drive

[EastFreo]

Great news and congratulations. It seems to have taken less time to buy the Defender than to arrange a test drive! Did I miss a post or something - presumably the test drive was a success???

[LR V8]

Congrats Chris ! Enjoy the journey and don't forget the pics :D

Pete

[cafe latte]

Thanks everyone, I cant believe I will have it tomorrow :D. I want to get going by 7.30am at the latest to get to Townsville by lunchtime. I managed to try a newish 110 locally and I just bought the one I am getting unseen without the test drive. I found the one I tried to have loads of grunt, the seating position is not perfect, but but longer seat rails will fix that. My new Defender 110 is light green with black leather seats and privacy glass. I had the non privacy glass windows tinted and a factory tow bar fitted. I decided on a personal plate too :) it is going to be DEF 007 (give me a wave if you see me around) , I thought why not have a bit of fun :D
I think the 300 odd kms home is going to be fun :D
Chris

[Samblers]

Sounds great buddy, you are going to love it.

ENJOY!

[cafe latte]

Should I make an effort to vary the speed on the way home and do I need to keep the speed down or can I drive normally? I am a bit worried of such a long trip as first journey.
Thanks again
Chris

[Samblers]

Just enjoy!

Dont rev its tits off!

[cafe latte]

Yawn its early.. I need coffee, then I will be on my way:)
Chris

[Tombie]

300km hey :cool:

Mrs Tombies D90 did 1200km on the day of collection to get home :D

Just vary your speed, use the gears... Load it up a little on hills (but not too much) and dont be afraid to rev it a bit...

[Surrufus]

I hope you enjoy it!
I have to wait until late August to receive mine! (custom order and all)

[cuppabillytea]

Congratulations on your new 110. Check it over before you do the drive home. Take it easy and every thing about it will soon begin to make sense. Don't forget the wave.

[DiscoMick]

Hope it went well for you. Don't rush the gear changes - slow and steady is the go, with the clutch out before you press the go pedal.

[cafe latte]

Just home and I miss calculated it is more than 300km and I am quite tired but very happy. The car is perfect just one annoying thing, the sales guys took the car for a drive with me and when he got out he flicked off the seat belt and it hit the newly tinted from passenger window and it put a small mark on the tint film (very small really). He did not do it on purpose, actually he did not even notice he had done it but it peed me off all the same. Anyway he has been great and very helpful so I just let it go, but I do wonder if the mark can be fixed somehow?
I drove a the couple of hours to Cardwell and then the 2.5 hours home and no back ache!!!!:D
I love this car:D:D
More tomorrow and some pics:D
Chris

[Tombie]

Congratulations mate!

Enjoy your new steed..

[cafe latte]

Some food later I am feeling refreshed. I love this car :D. A few questions.. It was raining and there is quite a bit of noise from the rear as there is little sound dead insulation at the back. What do you guys do, is there a pre made liner for the back? Even a stone scares the bleep out of me it is so loud. What tire pressures do you guys run?
I have a feeling I will be doing quite a bit of driving in the next few weeks :D:D:D I cant believe I finally have a Defender :D:D:D AND driving for me with two shot discs had become a real pain in the butt I used to love driving but 40km and the pain of the sitting position became teeth gritting. Going to Townsville in my Nissan was horrible, but coming home in the Defender was a total joy with NO PAIN AT ALL in 4.5 hours on the road :D:D driving is fun again:D
Chris

[DiscoMick]

We put drawers in the back and that quietened it a lot. We also bought some cheap carpet squares and have spread them around which makes it quieter and are easily cleaned.

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[RVR110]

...It was raining and there is quite a bit of noise from the rear as there is little sound dead insulation at the back. What do you guys do...Turn the stereo up!!! (and down again when you stop)

[tact]

Way to go mate! Found the same as you regards the back pain (lack thereof) and the loving the drive! Will post you a link to what I wrote up on running in shortly

[tact]

Check this out for a summary of what I did running my defender in. This post is the one year update. Just added a two year update further on in the thread.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members-rides/176542-new-110-dc-family-2.html#post2163092

[LR V8]

Ref the seat belt - grab a couple of those cheap wrap around seat belt pads from supercrap etc they stop the buckle from flipping into the window.

Pete

[EastFreo]

Great to hear you are enjoying it.

For the noise some things I did included putting on front mud flaps, cutting up a foam camping mattress and yoga mat and lying it over the rear areas.

I also got some rhino liner sprayed in the rear wheel arches. Probably should have done the whole rear tray in retrospect. This made a huge difference. I also got rust proofing done and I think it made a minor improvement (might just be a placebo effect as well.

But to be honest you seem to get used to it.

As for the tyres I have cross contacts and they seem to love picking up and throwing out the stones no matter what pressure I try. Again I have just tuned out but every now and then you a loud ones come out of the blue.

Also I have taken a heap of chips out of my driver side tinting. For some reason my belt flies back way faster than the passenger. Took me a while to remember

[loneranger]

Glad your enjoying it. You'll get used to the stone noises we hardly notice them now although every now we get a really noisy one which startles us but mainly we don't notice them. Tyre choice makes a difference.

[cafe latte]

The one thing that still bothers me is the tint film chip is this fixable?
Cheers
Chris

[Samblers]

I'd live with it - consider it a trophy rather than a scar - it wont be the last. I have several in that location ...

If you plan to take it off road then bumps and scrapes are a certainty. I'm sure you'll want it to look as good as possible for as long as possible BUT, that first scratch is a right of passage that you just have to get over IMO :rolleyes:

[Toxic_Avenger]

Never has a wiser word been spoken.
Go out and get that first scratch, and everything else will be fine. My first outing, I managed to get the wheel arch snagged on a old tree stump,, ripping it.
She'll be right

[numpty]

Congrats and enjoy.

[cafe latte]

Thanks guys, I will take a few pics after breakfast and post them later today. She is already a bit muddy as here in Ravenshoe there is some roadworks on the way to my farm and you drive for a few kms on dirt and it is raining. She did not stay clean for long..
Chris

[Pickles2]

Welcome to the "Mystique" of Defender ownership.
Yes, stones do make a "noise" don't they?..The first time we heard it, we thought a stone had hit the side of the vehicle!!
You're going to be a very "happy chappy",.....don't forget to wave!
Wasn't there some "drama" up your way yesterday?....gas bottle exploding or something?
Congratulations, Pickles.

[cafe latte]

Welcome to the "Mystique" of Defender ownership.
Yes, stones do make a "noise" don't they?..The first time we heard it, we thought a stone had hit the side of the vehicle!!
You're going to be a very "happy chappy",.....don't forget to wave!
Wasn't there some "drama" up your way yesterday?....gas bottle exploding or something?
Congratulations, Pickles.

Thanks , Yes there was a car ran into the bottom cafe and the gas bottles exploded. Not good at all, there are quite a few injured people 3 are serious and one is the missus of a friend, I am going to see them after breakfast :(
Chris

[Pickles2]

Not good, I hope your friend's "missus" is OK.
Pickles.

[cuppabillytea]

Well done to caffe latte. Hope your mates Missus is ok.
Speaking of the stone noise thing,does anybody know what the best under body coating is, to dampen it?

[DiscoMick]

Was a helluva cafe explosion, judging from the news.


Driver of ute which crashed into gas cylinders, caused explosion injuring 21 people, flown to Brisbane with burns - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-10/ravenshoe-explosion-woman-flown-to-brisbane-burns-to-body/6533984)


Re. the noise, you can actually buy kits from England, but there would be cheaper ways. Another option is to buy some rubber sheeting and stick it to the wheel arches.

[cafe latte]

Was a helluva cafe explosion, judging from the news.


Driver of ute which crashed into gas cylinders, caused explosion injuring 21 people, flown to Brisbane with burns - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-10/ravenshoe-explosion-woman-flown-to-brisbane-burns-to-body/6533984)


Re. the noise, you can actually buy kits from England, but there would be cheaper ways. Another option is to buy some rubber sheeting and stick it to the wheel arches.

Yes it is really horrible, more names of people I know very well I find out this morning were also hurt too :(
Chris

[cafe latte]

Here are the pics as promised. Unfortunately the events have taken the shine off my first day as a Defender owner.. I do love the car though..
Chris

[DFender]

Oh man looks awesome :) Congrats!

[cccp53]

NICE !!! My favourite colours !! [bigwhistle]

[cuppabillytea]

That looks real nice. I'd like to tell you about my first day but it doesn't seem appropriate given the current state of your community. Though it does seem to be a great one to belong to.

[cafe latte]

That looks real nice. I'd like to tell you about my first day but it doesn't seem appropriate given the current state of your community. Though it does seem to be a great one to belong to.

Thanks,
I would not want to live anywhere else there are a lot of wonderful people in Ravenshoe.
Chris

[Samblers]

Yeah man, best colour.

Leather too.

RIGHT ANSWER :BigThumb:

[LR V8]

Nice one [thumbsupbig]

Thanks for the pics.

[noyakfat]

Here's another thumbs-up from a fellow lover of the Keswick green :)

:thumbsup:

Like you, I also LOVE mine.

Congrats.

[Pickles2]

Keswick, can't go wrong.
Ya need the factory side runners, and silver chequer plate to protect the sills & wing tops?!
Pickles.

[cafe latte]

Keswick, can't go wrong.
Ya need the factory side runners, and silver chequer plate to protect the sills & wing tops?!
Pickles.

I thought about getting the side runners, how much do they cost?
Cheers
Chris

[rar110]

Nice, real nice.

[loneranger]

Another thumbs up here for the Keswick, white roof, black wheel arches combo :D

[cafe latte]

Thanks guys,
I thought 10km a liter consumption would save me money, but it is not going to save me anything if I keep making excuses to go and drive it :D
Now driving does not hurt anymore (my back) actually driving is a lot more fun, or maybe it is just the Defender thing :D
Chris

[DiscoMick]

Very nice. Now to fit some accessories. Recommend you start with extended seat runners and extended rear side door openers from Mulgo - really worth the small cost and easy to fit yourself.

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[jimr1]

Congratulations Chris , I'm pleased for you . I think Keswick Green is one of the best choices in the colour range . I'm sure you will put your own stamp on It soon , work out how your going to deal with nose . Plus any bolt on bits . The thing is you now have you 110 . So good on you ! I get mine Keswick Green 110 at the end of the month !!.. Jim :):)

[debruiser]

AWESOME, I like your choice of colours! :)

Sorry to hear about the accident up there.... Ravenshoe is such a nice little town....

[JayBoRover]

It looks great Chris and it seems you're pretty happy with your purchase:cool:. Enjoy!:)

[cafe latte]

Thanks guys, I am very happy with it, part of me wishes I had bought one years ago, but then I would not have this new one now :)
I am thinking of getting a factory bull bar at the first service unless you guys think there is a better option?
Anyone know how much the side steps are? The inlaws will have big problems getting in without them. Hmm now is that a bad thing or a good thing.. :D
I need a draw set up for the back, not sure if I should buy something or build something, I am really good with wood, but I would rather something light, maybe aluminium.
Another bonus of getting the Land Rover is finding this great friendly forum such place are rare.
Cheers
Chris

[The Cone of Silence]

Hi Chris...and congratulations. Welcome to the family.

Bullbars
Some go for LR, some go for ARB. I went for the Opposite Lock one but there'd be a thread on this site for who uses what,the pros and cons etc.
here's a couple of threads to get you started.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/179246-bull-bar-new-110-defender.html

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/189680-bull-bar-2013-defender.html

Underbody noise protection
Yeah the stone chips can sound like a gun being shot inside the cabin.
I found that when I built my drawers, it reduced the problem a hundredfold...but I still want to get some bitumen based paint to do the exterior underside. There's a few solutions out there. Some use the spray, some use paint-on. I think most agree that bitumen-based solutions are the go.

Side steps
I had the LR ones but kept bending them and denting them so whipped them off and went to see Daniel at Mulgo. His rock sliders are awesome and look good too. If they're a bit exxy for you, he might know of someone with second hand ones....Daniel is awesome like that.

Drawer system
SO many options. Do some searching and have a look at some of the fantastic ideas people have come up with on this site. Check the Members Rides section as well as Projects and Tutorials. Best best is to go to Advanced Search and plug in 'Drawer', search for titles only and include the '90/110/130/Defender/County', 'Members Rides' and 'Projects and Tutorials' sections as the search criteria.

You will have HOURS of fun searching through all the wonderful photos and designs.

I made Monty's drawer system out of ply and it was massively over-engineered but very sturdy indeed. I used a design from Povman but gave it my own finishing with marine carpet and aluminium edging. If you're going for lightweight, you won't be the first so keep searching.

Other mods you might consider initially to make life easy on yourself:

Cargo barrier
Mulgo Rear door extension thingies
Mulgo seat extensions (I only have these for passenger seat)
Mulgo Ex Box (moves the electrics in and up and makes for a MUCH more comfy driving position IMHO)
Mulgo Rear door gas strut


I know it looks like a Mulgo promo but the man really has thought of everything.

Enjoy, Chris. Love the look of your truck mate.

Shoot me a PM if you want to chat through any of the mods I've done on Monty (there's a lot (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members-rides/182731-bobbys-110-puma-defender-monty.html)!); I'm happy to talk you through the decision-making process and the research previously done to save you some time.

Don't forget to wave

Bobby

[cafe latte]

Hi Chris...and congratulations. Welcome to the family.

Bullbars
Some go for LR, some go for ARB. I went for the Opposite Lock one but there'd be a thread on this site for who uses what,the pros and cons etc.
here's a couple of threads to get you started.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/179246-bull-bar-new-110-defender.html

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/189680-bull-bar-2013-defender.html

Underbody noise protection
Yeah the stone chips can sound like a gun being shot inside the cabin.
I found that when I built my drawers, it reduced the problem a hundredfold...but I still want to get some bitumen based paint to do the exterior underside. There's a few solutions out there. Some use the spray, some use paint-on. I think most agree that bitumen-based solutions are the go.

Side steps
I had the LR ones but kept bending them and denting them so whipped them off and went to see Daniel at Mulgo. His rock sliders are awesome and look good too. If they're a bit exxy for you, he might know of someone with second hand ones....Daniel is awesome like that.

Drawer system
SO many options. Do some searching and have a look at some of the fantastic ideas people have come up with on this site. Check the Members Rides section as well as Projects and Tutorials. Best best is to go to Advanced Search and plug in 'Drawer', search for titles only and include the '90/110/130/Defender/County', 'Members Rides' and 'Projects and Tutorials' sections as the search criteria.

You will have HOURS of fun searching through all the wonderful photos and designs.

I made Monty's drawer system out of ply and it was massively over-engineered but very sturdy indeed. I used a design from Povman but gave it my own finishing with marine carpet and aluminium edging. If you're going for lightweight, you won't be the first so keep searching.

Other mods you might consider initially to make life easy on yourself:

Cargo barrier
Mulgo Rear door extension thingies
Mulgo seat extensions (I only have these for passenger seat)
Mulgo Ex Box (moves the electrics in and up and makes for a MUCH more comfy driving position IMHO)
Mulgo Rear door gas strut


I know it looks like a Mulgo promo but the man really has thought of everything.

Enjoy, Chris. Love the look of your truck mate.

Shoot me a PM if you want to chat through any of the mods I've done on Monty (there's a lot (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members-rides/182731-bobbys-110-puma-defender-monty.html)!); I'm happy to talk you through the decision-making process and the research previously done to save you some time.

Don't forget to wave

Bobby
Thanks Bobby, I have a lot of reading to do :D
Already started waving, but nobody has waved back yet, must be a North Queensland thing..
Thanks again
Chris

[TheYeti]

Just keep waving at them Cafe you'll wear them down eventually, I had a tough nut to crack down here but he waves now. 👍 congratulation and enjoy defender ownership.

[The Cone of Silence]

By the way it's really good to hear that your back is feeling good - I was worried too, having broken mine a few years ago and occasionally driving cars that hurt.

Longest day in Monty has been 12 hours. I was almost completely deaf at the end of it, but my back was fine :p

[cafe latte]

I was actually quite worried it would be a worse sitting position, just about my only worry related to the car, but as it turns out I had no need to worry it is a joy to drive. I have two discs low down that are very thin, that have collapsed straight and have not bulged out. Apart pain of a wrong sitting position due to the thin discs I get a numb area lower right back after maybe half an hour of driving that gets more and more annoying, then pain. Non of this happens in the Defender. I wonder how many people with good backs actually suffer back pain in the unnatural sitting position in normal cars?
Chris

[Jeff]

Mine came with LR side rail steps, great for wifey to get in and to fend off car doors in shop car parks :(

I bought an ARB winch bar at the Sydney Caravan and Camping Show for about half what the Land Rover cost. Fitted it myself, but nearly did a back injury, so may not do that again. Also fitted more power sockets, never have too many.

I will be changing the steering wheel soon as I did in my TDi and it was great.

Jeff

:rocket:

[cafe latte]

Mine came with LR side rail steps, great for wifey to get in and to fend off car doors in shop car parks :(

I bought an ARB winch bar at the Sydney Caravan and Camping Show for about half what the Land Rover cost. Fitted it myself, but nearly did a back injury, so may not do that again. Also fitted more power sockets, never have too many.

I will be changing the steering wheel soon as I did in my TDi and it was great.

Jeff

:rocket:

I quite like the steering wheel in mine, mine has the leather seats so I am not sure the steering wheel is the same, is mine the same steering wheel as yours?
Chris

[Jeff]

I quite like the steering wheel in mine, mine has the leather seats so I am not sure the steering wheel is the same, is mine the same steering wheel as yours?
Chris

After using the small one I find it too large, my hands hit the dash and forearms hit the centre bit. I think your wheel covering is the only difference, but there is a different one I saw at the dealer.

Jeff

:rocket:

[DiscoMick]

Thanks guys, I am very happy with it, part of me wishes I had bought one years ago, but then I would not have this new one now :)
I am thinking of getting a factory bull bar at the first service unless you guys think there is a better option?
Anyone know how much the side steps are? The inlaws will have big problems getting in without them. Hmm now is that a bad thing or a good thing.. :D
I need a draw set up for the back, not sure if I should buy something or build something, I am really good with wood, but I would rather something light, maybe aluminium.
Another bonus of getting the Land Rover is finding this great friendly forum such place are rare.
Cheers
Chris


Re. drawers, we considered making our own, but ended up buying the Off Road Systems aluminium ones, which are light but very strong. They have one specifically for Defenders and it can be had in a couple of configurations. Excellent quality. Quietened the rear down too.
http://www.offroadsystems.com.au/pricelist_Landrover_Defender.html


I strong recommend a rear wheel carrier for the back door ASAP as it will avoid the door rattling and eventually warping under the weight of the wheel. We chose Mantec but there are several around. We imported ours directly, but Mulgo and APT also have them. The Mantec one we got just bolts up to holes in the rear bar, plus you drill out some rivets and slide bolts through the body. It opens in one movement with the rear door.
We added a rear door stay at the same time, also Mantec, to keep it open on slopes.
Very happy with both.
http://www.mantec.co.uk/products.cfm'thePCID=3F59E08E-15C5-F4C0-99913F2CF6407969


Ours came with an ARB bulbar already fitted. Seems super strong. I banged a tree with it in the bush one day and nothing happened, except the tree was dented.

[cuppabillytea]

Re side runners. Fitted LR ones to mine. The next day a bloke trashed the front of his astra, backing out of the space next to me. Not a mark in my runners. I hadn't intended to fit them but wife insisted. Lucky she did.
On the seats. My back has injuries from top to bottom, but I drove it from Rainbow beach to home in 16 hours, with no ill effect, and my little bloke next to me didn't complain once.
On the steering wheel. I elbowed myself in the ribs a few times until I adjusted the way I use it.
I like my ARB Bar too. Others look better but don't offer as much protection.

[MrLandy]

I was actually quite worried it would be a worse sitting position, just about my only worry related to the car, but as it turns out I had no need to worry it is a joy to drive. I have two discs low down that are very thin, that have collapsed straight and have not bulged out. Apart pain of a wrong sitting position due to the thin discs I get a numb area lower right back after maybe half an hour of driving that gets more and more annoying, then pain. Non of this happens in the Defender. I wonder how many people with good backs actually suffer back pain in the unnatural sitting position in normal cars?
Chris


I was actually quite worried it would be a worse sitting position, just about my only worry related to the car, but as it turns out I had no need to worry it is a joy to drive. I have two discs low down that are very thin, that have collapsed straight and have not bulged out. Apart pain of a wrong sitting position due to the thin discs I get a numb area lower right back after maybe half an hour of driving that gets more and more annoying, then pain. Non of this happens in the Defender. I wonder how many people with good backs actually suffer back pain in the unnatural sitting position in normal cars?
Chris

Hi Chris, congrats and welcome to the Defender world. Last night i dropped some friends home and they all of course commented enthusiastically on my Defender...and how they love the seating position. I agreewith you, it is the best seating position!

...I've driven Toyotas for work for years across northern Australia and ALWAYS had a sore back at the end of a long drive! Also from other cars with slouching armchair type seats and no firm lumbar support. This is a hugely underrated design issue that Defender has had right for decades. I'm on track for 50,000 km per year in my Defender and i agree, never have a sore back after a long drive. The upright seating position is also the best for visibility.

Hope you enjoy many a trouble free journey in your new Defender! I like the keswick green too, but i still love the many moods of my Indus silver.

[cafe latte]

Hi Chris, congrats and welcome to the Defender world. Last night i dropped some friends home and they all of course commented enthusiastically on my Defender...and how they love the seating position. I agreewith you, it is the best seating position!

...I've driven Toyotas for work for years across northern Australia and ALWAYS had a sore back at the end of a long drive! Also from other cars with slouching armchair type seats and no firm lumbar support. This is a hugely underrated design issue that Defender has had right for decades. I'm on track for 50,000 km per year in my Defender and i agree, never have a sore back after a long drive. The upright seating position is also the best for visibility.

Hope you enjoy many a trouble free journey in your new Defender! I like the keswick green too, but i still love the many moods of my Indus silver.
Wow, 50,000 a year!! How many km do you have on your Puma now?
Is yours the 2.2 also?
Cheers
Chris

[DiscoMick]

Hi Chris, congrats and welcome to the Defender world. Last night i dropped some friends home and they all of course commented enthusiastically on my Defender...and how they love the seating position. I agreewith you, it is the best seating position!

...I've driven Toyotas for work for years across northern Australia and ALWAYS had a sore back at the end of a long drive! Also from other cars with slouching armchair type seats and no firm lumbar support. This is a hugely underrated design issue that Defender has had right for decades. I'm on track for 50,000 km per year in my Defender and i agree, never have a sore back after a long drive. The upright seating position is also the best for visibility.

Hope you enjoy many a trouble free journey in your new Defender! I like the keswick green too, but i still love the many moods of my Indus silver.


I agree, the seats are very supportive and I think their uprightedness is an advantage.
I find the same thing with beds - many mattresses are too soft and let the body bend excessively, causing aches.
We learnt this when living in Thailand where most beds are much firmer than we were used to here. At first we were a bit wary of them, but learned to prefer them to soft mattresses. Our camper trailer mattress is quite firm and I like it.


Incidentally, very sad to see one of the women injured in the explosion has died. Must be a really tough time in Ravenshoe right now. Thoughts and prayers to everyone concerned.

[cafe latte]

I agree, the seats are very supportive and I think their uprightedness is an advantage.
I find the same thing with beds - many mattresses are too soft and let the body bend excessively, causing aches.
We learnt this when living in Thailand where most beds are much firmer than we were used to here. At first we were a bit wary of them, but learned to prefer them to soft mattresses. Our camper trailer mattress is quite firm and I like it.


Incidentally, very sad to see one of the women injured in the explosion has died. Must be a really tough time in Ravenshoe right now. Thoughts and prayers to everyone concerned.

Thanks,
There was a town meeting this morning, a very difficult time.. Sadly it wont be the last casualty as some of the others have terrible injuries.
Chris

[MrLandy]

Yes warm wishes to you all in Ravenshoe. So sad. Best to you Chris.

[cuppabillytea]

Hi Chris.
How's it going up there? I hope that the injured are on the mend and that you can relax a bit and enjoy your Defender.
Cheers Billy.

[DiscoMick]

Two dead now and a number - is it 8? - seriously injured. Very sad.

[cafe latte]

Two dead now and a number - is it 8? - seriously injured. Very sad.
Yes very sad and worrying. Burns can kill quite a bit of time after the accident so the number sadly will probably rise..
Chris

[cafe latte]

Hi Chris.
How's it going up there? I hope that the injured are on the mend and that you can relax a bit and enjoy your Defender.
Cheers Billy.
Thanks,
I am off to Atherton tomorrow so an hour there and back should be quite enjoyable :)
Chris