Kaymar rear wheel carrier wing extensions for 3rd party mud flaps

[VK3GJM]

Hi All,

If possible could someone share some photos they may have of the Kaymar bracket and mud flap fitting when using non factory rear mud flaps. The original LR plastics are useless now, but when removed leaves a huge void.

I am looking at how they fit and finish off with a bigger and wider mud flat to stop stones from continuously being sprayed out the back and upwards and hitting the camper and any stray rock being deflected from the stone stomper.

PM is fine.

Thank you in advance.

Regards

Gerald
VK3GJM

[BobD]

My LR D4 mudflaps disintegrated on my first trip from Perth to Cape York via Great Central Road and Plenty Hwy etc. As you say it leaves a big hole so I ended up getting Chinese knock offs just to keep it looking good with the Kaymar bar. The Chinese ones have now survived a heap more rough roads than the LR ones with no damage whatsoever and were an easy fit, as good as the originals.


As you say, the only problem is that stones get thrown out the sides, especially with 285 tyres like I have. On my KK they have peppered the 100 series hub covers on the wheels and the electric stairs and also the wood box to a lesser extent. I am going to get extra stone protection for the KK but not change the mudflaps. Even with a Stone Stomper the stones go past it and peppered my camper trailer.


The other issue is that the plastic lower body protection and the Kaymar bar itself are also stone blasted by stones from the front and rear wheels, but I just live with that.


Can't help with your real question, however. Sorry.

[Redback]

Hi All,

If possible could someone share some photos they may have of the Kaymar bracket and mud flap fitting when using non factory rear mud flaps. The original LR plastics are useless now, but when removed leaves a huge void.

I am looking at how they fit and finish off with a bigger and wider mud flat to stop stones from continuously being sprayed out the back and upwards and hitting the camper and any stray rock being deflected from the stone stomper.

PM is fine.

Thank you in advance.

Regards

Gerald
VK3GJM

I made my own, the kaymar ones are over $400, so decided against them, these are a prototype, not quite finished, but have been on the car for about a month now and have been good, they were quite easy to make, just bent them in a vice, riveted a bracket to them and bolted them on, getting the angle right took the longest, half a day and then painted then, there is a factory attach point, you can see the screw underneath, I just fitted them then marked where the hole should go and drilled a hole to suit.

There is a small fabricating shop in our town, he is quite good and has reasonable prices, I will be speaking to him to see if he can do them in steel and make them look a bit better.

Here's my ones.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/bazzar/D4%20and%20Amarok/IMG_1610_zpsrdnab1q4.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bazzar/media/D4%20and%20Amarok/IMG_1610_zpsrdnab1q4.jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/bazzar/D4%20and%20Amarok/IMG_1609_zps4xjf8wxc.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bazzar/media/D4%20and%20Amarok/IMG_1609_zps4xjf8wxc.jpg.html)

[mowog]

The Kaymar kit is $270 I just ordered it

[Redback]

The Kaymar kit is $270 I just ordered it

Wow, they have come down in price, last time I asked ARB, I was quoted $440:(

Baz.

[mowog]

Wow, they have come down in price, last time I asked ARB, I was quoted $440:(

Baz.

I ordered direct from Kaymar today

[VK3GJM]

Hi All,

Thanks for the photos and feedback.

Ordered from Kaymar direct, complete kit including mud flaps $327. It appears there is some variation in price??

Anyway, should get the kit soonish, will post the content and fitting arrangement.

It will be interesting to see the mud flap size/length. Have had huge issues with LR factory flaps, they stop nothing as they are way to high and very shabby.

Regards

Gerald
VK3GJM

[Redback]

They have mudflaps also, I'll be interested in seeing these installed Gerald.

Baz.

[VK3GJM]

Hi Baz,

So they said over the phone. Will post some shorts of the finished product fitted.

Regards

Gerald
VK3GJM

[VK3GJM]

Just received the retrofit kit from Kaymar.


Part No. K6027-kit at $270 inc GST, consisting of:-


2 x filler brackets, l and R
2 x 280x280 rubber flaps
2 x 280 mm bar to hold mud flap to bracket
1 x lot of assorted bolts/nuts/washers


The lot delivered to suburb in Melb is $286.50 delivered direct from Kaymar. I must say, the service via phone and delivery is excellent.


The mud flaps are just not long enough, ideally they need to be around 350mm long to ensure to stops the lot.


Will look at longer mud flaps, Autobarn has a 280x350 or alternative is make your own.


Some pictures to follow over the weekend after painting to nearly match vehicle colour.


Regards


Gerald
VK3GJM

[Redback]

Waiting, waiting, waiting:p

[VK3GJM]

Bugger Kaymar, flaps are way to short, bracket mounting holes are way out and if you were to use the Kaymar mud flaps, there gaps between bracket and body and it does not align with the plastics.

Further more, the brackets protrude to far inside and they hit the exhaust at each end on my MY 2012 D4.

So I managed to re-drill the holes with sufficient meat left and made a pair of mud flaps using conveyer belt rubber, thanks to my brother.

The whole assembly took 10 hours to get fitted, I still have to shorten the inside to stop any possibility for the exhaust to hit it.

I am guessing that Kaymar may have shipped incorrect assembly to suit 2012 model.

Regards

Gerald

[Redback]

I really can'tsee how they look in that photo, but I'm pretty sure all the Kaymar bars are the same right through the range from the D3 on, my rear bar had D3 written on it.

Here's a side on view, with my bracket that I made, any chance you can do another pic from side on.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/bazzar/D4%20and%20Amarok/IMG_1608_zpskbcapdtj.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bazzar/media/D4%20and%20Amarok/IMG_1608_zpskbcapdtj.jpg.html)

BTW your photo is upside down, I saved it and flipped it to get a better look at it.

Baz.

[VK3GJM]

Hi All,


At least with my brackets, Kaymar confirmed they stuffed up, and the excuse is the mounting bracket was welded flipped 180 degrees reversed.


I may now be eligible for new brackets.


The implementation of the mud flap and the gap it left was an oversight, so I made my own. Although not complete, below are some shots.






Regards


Gerald

[Redback]

So they welded the brackets on wrong, might inquire about them if they have modified them of coarse, price is not bad, I won't get the mud flaps though.

Thanks for the extra pics.

Baz.


Hi All,


At least with my brackets, Kaymar confirmed they stuffed up, and the excuse is the mounting bracket was welded flipped 180 degrees reversed.


I may now be eligible for new brackets.


The implementation of the mud flap and the gap it left was an oversight, so I made my own. Although not complete, below are some shots.






Regards


Gerald

[VK3GJM]

Hi Baz,


Hold-off, I am talking to Kaymar now. Just sent them a bunch of photos and gave them a de-brief on my issue.


I may even take a trip and let them have a look first hand. Feedback to Kaymar......


What I found yesterday:-


Brackets mounting holes did not align with theexisting Kaymar Bar I purchased in 2012.

The gap between the bracket upper curve where itmeets the plastic guard extender is substantial even with the standard rubberflap provided.
The bracket and the mud flap face is recessedback by at least 5 mm, thus a larger mud flat that uses the upper mountingscrew in the plastics and lower mounting screws is not a smooth arch.
The current bracket inner most extreme and it'sposition nearly touches both exhausts, it could do with at least a 5-10 mm trimon the inside. I had to alter my exhaust system to stop a constant rattle, notgood.
The bottom single hole has no purpose, as thereis no mounting mate?
I have also replaced your bolts with SS boltswashers and nylock nuts and used anti-seize/thread lubricant anti gauss.
The 4 black bolt, washers and nuts that hold themud flap to the main bracket via the bracing bracket in my view haveinsufficient threat length.


Anyway, the rubber flaps are to short in my view, I am trying to stop 99% of all rocks. I have some serious camper damage although I have a stone stomper fitted. The OEM D4 plastic flaps does nothing and the mounting of the Stone Stomper cross-member fitted to a Mitch Hitch needs work.


Anyway, I ended up fabricating bigger wider mud flaps for my new 18" rims from Gordon and BFG KO2 265/65R18.


Back to the drawing board for Kaymar.


I must say, there response and phone call follow-up is excellent. I would give Kaymar 9/10 for good service.


Regards


Gerald

[ytt105]

Hi Baz,


Hold-off, I am talking to Kaymar now. Just sent them a bunch of photos and gave them a de-brief on my issue.


I may even take a trip and let them have a look first hand. Feedback to Kaymar......


What I found yesterday:-


Brackets mounting holes did not align with theexisting Kaymar Bar I purchased in 2012.

The gap between the bracket upper curve where itmeets the plastic guard extender is substantial even with the standard rubberflap provided.
The bracket and the mud flap face is recessedback by at least 5 mm, thus a larger mud flat that uses the upper mountingscrew in the plastics and lower mounting screws is not a smooth arch.
The current bracket inner most extreme and it'sposition nearly touches both exhausts, it could do with at least a 5-10 mm trimon the inside. I had to alter my exhaust system to stop a constant rattle, notgood.
The bottom single hole has no purpose, as thereis no mounting mate?
I have also replaced your bolts with SS boltswashers and nylock nuts and used anti-seize/thread lubricant anti gauss.
The 4 black bolt, washers and nuts that hold themud flap to the main bracket via the bracing bracket in my view haveinsufficient threat length.


Anyway, the rubber flaps are to short in my view, I am trying to stop 99% of all rocks. I have some serious camper damage although I have a stone stomper fitted. The OEM D4 plastic flaps does nothing and the mounting of the Stone Stomper cross-member fitted to a Mitch Hitch needs work.


Anyway, I ended up fabricating bigger wider mud flaps for my new 18" rims from Gordon and BFG KO2 265/65R18.


Back to the drawing board for Kaymar.


I must say, there response and phone call follow-up is excellent. I would give Kaymar 9/10 for good service.


Regards


Gerald

I've just purchased a Stone Stomper, haven't used it in anger yet, but Chris supplied me with a purpose built connection for the Mitch Hitch. I can't see how it could be done any better.

If yours is one of the standard ones on his web site, I'd suggest you give him a call and get one of his 'special' ones.

Regards
Trevor

[LRD414]

I've just purchased a Stone Stomper, haven't used it in anger yet, but Chris supplied me with a purpose built connection for the Mitch Hitch. I can't see how it could be done any better.


Bit of a hijack but I'm in exactly the same position as Trevor and would agree regarding fitment to Mitch Hitch being very good. So Gerald, I'd also like to understand your issue with Stone Stomper better, noting that I've got OEM plastic flaps so am intending to rely on the Stone Stomper.


Cheers,
Scott

[VK3GJM]

Hi Trevor,


Drop me a PM with your contact details, I can send you a PDF document and the feedback I provided Christian.


Basically, the Stone stomper on my D4 with Kaymar rear bar and Mitch Hitch did nothing. I had a shattered rear windscreen, excessive stone damage on the X20 Ultimate and a large deposit of stones resting on top of the stomper mat.


In my view Christian did not provide enough measurement guidance, my whole setup should have been at minimum 50mm wider than the Camper's widest point.


I am about to get a guy to add at least 75mm down the centre, I will have to widen the cross bar myself, Christian was not helpful.


Furthermore, the SS cross-bracket and mounting plate through the lower gap of the Mitch Hitch stopped me from running rated shackles. The SS cross-bar had it's mounting holes positioned wrong. I ended up making a better plate with the holes offset to allow rated 2 ton shackles.


Again, I did a bit of a write up on that.


Regards


Gerald

[VK3GJM]

Stone Stomper cross bar and Mitch Hitch fitment issue.


I am not casting dispersions on the viability of the SS. I am sure it works very well, however some fine tuning is needed and a better consultative approach for measurement would be beneficial


The mounting of the cross-bar may have been resolved by Christian now.


I ended up building a new bracket that is integrates with the Mitch Hitch and is a permanent fit, thus the SS cross-bar is very easy to remove with enough clearance for heavy rated shackles.


Some states may soon be enforcing rated shackles.


Back to the OEM plastic mud flaps, Kaymar rear bar and SS. the fitment of the collective above leaves a gap between the SS cross-bar and the Kaymar bar, a perfect window for stones to fly through, a sign of cross-bar damage due to poor mud flap length, width and the SS not being wide enough to deflect rocks down from the edge/extreme of the tyre track.


The total damage was caused on the Strzelecki track in April after it was re-surfaced March.


Regards


Gerald

[mowog]

I fitted my Kaymar Kit on the weekend.

I had to cut a corner of the RH side inner as it was hitting the exhaust.

I ditched the supplied mud flaps and got a longer wider set from Repco I am still not 100% happy with the size so a trip to Clark Rubber is on the cards to find some decent rubber to make some mud flaps.

The Kaymar kit is a good starting point its just pity that Kaymar didn't provide decent mud flaps.

[Redback]

Any progress with Kaymar Gerald??

Baz.

[VK3GJM]

Hi Barry,


No. Although Nicole has been very helpful, they should only be another 1-2 weeks, that was last week from a remodelled setup. Nicole did say, they have a test vehicle coming in for tweaking, hope they read my comments on fitment and clearances.


Still not happy with crappy mud flaps leaving a gap. I hope they refine a better bigger flap to take advantage of extra mounting holes in the existing plastics, not that it will provide strength, just from a cleaning perspective, less nooks and crannies.


Regards


Gerald

[Melbourne Park]

From the maker of the van I tow, a user (an ex GMH Automotive engineer) put flaps on his 200 series, and used a composite reinforced rubber material, that did not wear much..

Here is the link and the type of material he bought (written in blue ink by hand):
http://cdn.vanillaforums.com/australianoffroad.vanillaforums.com/editor/o6/lbb1bjyiwulu.jpg

Reglan Rubber (the maker/supplier)
Natural Insertion Premium Heavy Duty Nylon

Hope the link works

[Redback]

I think this is what you mean, only issue, 10mtrs is the minimum length.

Premium Natural Insertion - Heavy Duty Nylon | Reglin Rubber (http://www.reglinrubber.com/products/industrial_sheetrubber_natural_insertion_premium_h eavyduty_nylon.html)

[mowog]

Hi Barry,


No. Although Nicole has been very helpful, they should only be another 1-2 weeks, that was last week from a remodelled setup. Nicole did say, they have a test vehicle coming in for tweaking, hope they read my comments on fitment and clearances.


Still not happy with crappy mud flaps leaving a gap. I hope they refine a better bigger flap to take advantage of extra mounting holes in the existing plastics, not that it will provide strength, just from a cleaning perspective, less nooks and crannies.


Regards


Gerald

I sent them a photo of mine as well showing the gaps. The RH mud flap also hits the exhaust even after cutting some of it off!

[VK3GJM]

Barry,

Still nothing from Kaymar. Will give them another mid next week.

Regards

Gerald

[VK3GJM]

An update,


Kaymar have had my vehicle for a week and new brackets are made and fitted, shaped to D4 guard and to the carrier interface.


Will be picking up the vehicle Friday afternoon and will have a chat with Andrew.


Earlier in the week, Andrew had admitted Kaymar have had a couple of complaints, but needed a sample vehicle to rectify the issue. Done.


I must give Kaymar a plug for customer service, Nicole and Andrew have been extremely helpful and accommodating. I assume the new brackets are a replacement at zero additional cost.


Will post a couple of photos over the weekend.


Regards


Gerald

[mowog]

I sent them an email as well hopefully I hear from them soon.

[Redback]

That's a great outcome Gerald, thanks for going that extra mile for everyone, I'll give them an email as well to get some myself.

Baz.

[VK3GJM]

Hi Baz,


Photos of the new aligned bracket system.


Now need to shape a new larger longer rubber flap to suit me needs.


Now the bracket is well clear of the exhaust.


Regards




Gerald

[Redback]

They look good Gerald, thanks for that, can I name drop and get a discount;) Gerald sent me:angel:

Baz.

[VK3GJM]

Hi Baz,


Sure. No harm asking!


Regards




Gerald

[mowog]

So Kaymar want me to first send back the mudflaps

So I have to remove them fit my old ones because who knows how long they will take to fix them. Then remove my old mudflaps a fit the replacements!

WTF

I don't understand why Kaymar can't just send the improved parts. Very poor customer service from Kaymar.

[VK3GJM]

Hi Mowog,


The reason might be that the new design has a new mud flat brace plate with three holes. Whereas the previous system had 4 holes for mounting.


Having met the Kaymar people, and they are passionate. They want to be sure you get the right product that fits and works. IMO, that's good customer service.


OK, some one needs to pick up the freight tab.


Good luck.


Regards


Gerald

[mowog]

They have an improved part I fail to see why they just can't send it. I am not playing their game here. I will take them off and fix them my self.

[Redback]

Gerald, is there anyone I should email, or just their sales email.

Baz.

[wbowner]

Hi
I sent Nicole an email and she said they were not generally available yet and would let me know when they are.


Richard

[Redback]

Hi
I sent Nicole an email and she said they were not generally available yet and would let me know when they are.


Richard

You must be special, still don't have a reply yet.

Baz.

[wbowner]

You must be special, still don't have a reply yet.

Baz.

Baz
I am 😬

I will post as soon as I hear from them if some one does not first

Richard

[wbowner]

I contacted Kaymar and the mudflaps are available for $275 plus freight.

Richard

[Redback]

I gave up, rang them and asked for Nichol, they said they would pass on the message, nothing, so moved on, the ones I made are fine, made some new mudflaps to fit onto the adaptors, all good.

Thanks for your help Greald, guess KAYMAR are not interested that much.

[wbowner]

I gave up, rang them and asked for Nichol, they said they would pass on the message, nothing, so moved on, the ones I made are fine, made some new mudflaps to fit onto the adaptors, all good.

Thanks for your help Greald, guess KAYMAR are not interested that much.

I ordered some. They should arrive next week.
I want have time to install for quite awhile though.

Can send some pics but probably look the same as already posted here.

Richard

[wbowner]

I ordered some. They should arrive next week.
I want have time to install for quite awhile though.

Can send some pics but probably look the same as already posted here.

Richard

They arrived this morning.

They look as per a previous pic in the the thread so I will not post any at this stage.

I will once I put them on but that will not be for awhile.

I have some cheap after market ones on at the moment which are not well secured after getting the kaymar bar as you lose one of the screw connectors. I need to take them off before putting on the new ones. Not a lot of work but more than I have time for now.

The rubber sure looks sturdy enough may be as other have said a bit short but will not know until I install them.

Richard

[wbowner]

Well I got a bit ambitious tonight and thought I would put the new mudflaps on.

After all how hard could that be :)

FYI the mudflaps provided are 270x260 (l x w).

The other thing is the brackets don't line up with the holes in the cayman bar properly.

You can bolt them on but the bracket is not flush/mould with the bar. When I hold the bracket up to the bar it does but the holes in the bracket don't line up then.

I have contacted Kaymar and hopefully it will be sorted out.

There are no instructions but I am guessing where things a bolted together. There are a couple of rubber stoppers I am unsure what they are for.

I should have left this alone as am going away in a couple of days and putting back the old mudflap will be a pain.

Richard

[wbowner]

Here are some pics.

I have not done up nuts tight but you can see the problem.

[wbowner]

This pic shows my install problem more clearly - i think.

I used a bit of card board to make a mask of the end of the kaymar barand then overlaid the mudflap bracket holes with the holes in the end of the kaymar bar.

I have sent this to Kaymar as well.

Note I have a my14 D4 and only got my kaymar installed late last year.

Richard

[Redback]

Well I got a bit ambitious tonight and thought I would put the new mudflaps on.

After all how hard could that be :)

FYI the mudflaps provided are 270x260 (l x w).

The other thing is the brackets don't line up with the holes in the cayman bar properly.

You can bolt them on but the bracket is not flush/mould with the bar. When I hold the bracket up to the bar it does but the holes in the bracket don't line up then.

I have contacted Kaymar and hopefully it will be sorted out.

There are no instructions but I am guessing where things a bolted together. There are a couple of rubber stoppers I am unsure what they are for.

I should have left this alone as am going away in a couple of days and putting back the old mudflap will be a pain.

Richard

That's not good Richard, even I managed to make mine to line up with the holes and make it flush, mine I made from alloy checker plate I had lying around, used a vice to do the bends, cost me nothing, I bought a square metre of rubber for $45 to make the mud flaps.

Never had any joy dealing with Kaymar.

[wbowner]

That's not good Richard, even I managed to make mine to line up with the holes and make it flush, mine I made from alloy checker plate I had lying around, used a vice to do the bends, cost me nothing, I bought a square metre of rubber for $45 to make the mud flaps.

Never had any joy dealing with Kaymar.
Baz
Yep it is a shame. I am waiting on Kaymar to get back to me.

I thought the problem was fixed, why I ordered them.

I note the some parts of the bracket are a bit different than what has been posted before.

Some one mentioned the bar that holds the mudflap on had 4 holes. It still has 4 holes but is now like a T piece with the 4th hole in the tail of the T piece. The mudflaps are a bit smaller as well based on some one else measurements.

If I hear anything I will post again.

Richard

An update - Kaymar have got back to me and will sort it out. Fairly happy with the service I got.

RECOMMENDATION:
If you get a kaymar bar get the mudflaps at the same time if you want them.

Richard

[wbowner]

Hi
I was away for a few months but before I went away and I contacted Kaymar about the mudflaps not fitting

As I was going down to Melbourne when I got back they said to bring my car in and they would sort it out.

I got the new mudflaps today but have not fully installed, just enough to verify they are a better fit.

I compared my old brackets with the new ones and the reason for the problem is clear. It appears one of bits was welded around the wrong way.
The new bracket is the one attached to the flap.

I have to say that even though a mistake was made the guys from Kaymar were very easy to deal with and I am overall happy with the result and service I got.


Richard