td5INSIDE Hybrid Turbo release

[td5inside]

This is it... its now ready and fully tested...

td5INSIDE hybrid turbo made by CRturbos

Upgrade compressor wheel;
cnc machined compressor housing;
turbine cuting to reduce egt's and backpressure;
turbine housing machined to reduce back pressure;
anodised mfs compressor wheel with special treatment to make it more resistent to impuritys not filtered by the air filter.
VSR 270.000 rpm's balanced;

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We managed to test a few different turbo variants and different solutions in different cars to get the best final product.

Dyno results for 2 different setups:

223bhp/517NM

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231bhp/488nm

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*Videos of both the dino runs on our FB page!

And now... prices :)


Hybrid turbo with turbo boost box - 1400AUD
Shipping Costs - 185AUD ( 3 to 4 weeks) 325AUD (1 to 1,5 weeks)

For those who already have a td5INSIDE remap, new map file to suit this turbo will be free of charge. For the other unhappy ones :p , extra 200 AUD will have to be payed.

Please feel free to ask any info!

Thank you all!

[Tombie]

Impressive Jose...

Well done on all your development work with the TD5...

[dfendr]

Price is amazingly good

[SPROVER]

Awesome. Time to start saving. Nice work yet again. [emoji2]

[rangieman]

Wow:o;):)

[Timmy]

Not sure if coincidental timing...

Or designed for release perfectly to align with tax time... ;)

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[defmec01]

Email sent;-)

[DFender]

PM sent.

[Blade74]

Nice work Jose,
How would you explain those two setups? Is one more linear power or more down low?
They're fairly similar figures.

[kelvo]

517NM :o:D:D

How long will a R380 gearbox last with that :burnrubber: :angel:

[Disco_Fever]

Or my poor 4hp22...

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[Slunnie]

Wouldn't an auto go into limp mode with that much torque going into it?

[td5inside]

517NM :o:D:D

How long will a R380 gearbox last with that :burnrubber: :angel:


Or my poor 4hp22...

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Wouldn't an auto go into limp mode with that much torque going into it?

When we develop a product we make sure we take it to the limit to see its true potential and to see whats the maximum we can achieve. This is what you can expect if explore this turbo setup to its maximum, but of course most of you will want/need less power. Nevertheless the smoth power deliver, the excelente torque curve will be there, just not "that much".

This discussion of transmission capacity its an old one! All I can say is that my very own car is running over 420nm about 50.000kms and gearbox is the same with no issues at all... It depends a bit about use and mantainance.

For example I've always found odd the fact that manual transmission cars with the turbotechnics VNT use stock clutch...a lot, and I mean alot, of cars overhere with stock turbo have to use Xtreme outback clutch or will only have clutch for a few kms/Miles. This proves my point, all depends of what you ask for and how much you want to explore !

[td5inside]

Nice work Jose,
How would you explain those two setups? Is one more linear power or more down low?
They're fairly similar figures.

They are similar, but were achieved with different turbo configurations...

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Regards

[Pickles2]

170KW, & 488NM,.....Excellent,......nearly twice as much power as a standard Puma!! (I know this is not a Puma,...Just saying!!)
At what rpm were these figures achieved, and was the power & torque at 3000rpm significantly up as well,...how much on standard?
Very impressive result, Pickles.

[stevo]

I just checked the condition of my turbo it has a couple of mm play plus end float is excessive went to do a search for turbos good timing I would say.

[td5inside]

170KW, & 488NM,.....Excellent,......nearly twice as much power as a standard Puma!! (I know this is not a Puma,...Just saying!!)
At what rpm were these figures achieved, and was the power & torque at 3000rpm significantly up as well,...how much on standard?
Very impressive result, Pickles.

We did get 517nm @ 1930rpm with a Puma in the same day we tested these td5 turbos :) This with standart Puma turbo :)

https://www.facebook.com/performanceinside/videos/856001794473429/?pnref=story

[td5inside]

First units heading to Australia already :)


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[SPROVER]

Hi Jose,

I've got a few questions about the new turbo set up. The figures that you had posted, what sort of modifications have those engines had done?
What sort of figures could I expect from my motor? Currently has a stage 2 remap from you :D, Bigger intercooler, EGR delete, Silencer delete, and 20 pounds of boost.

Can I expect a good increase in power and torque down low? Something to suit say, towing a car trailer around. Could I expect fuel economy to change?
Will turbo lag be decreased? Sorry for all the questions but I need to know these sorts of things before I may purchase one. It may also help other members on here as well when they read this thread. Look forward to hearing from you. Nice work you do by the way.[thumbsupbig]

Cheers

Chris

[defmec]

Looking at the dyno graph it will have less down low and higher power overall up high in the rev range .i think if your going to tow your still better off with a vnt. Cant wait to hit the sand dunes once its fitted

[SPROVER]

Looking at the dyno graph it will have less down low and higher power overall up high in the rev range .i think if your going to tow your still better off with a vnt. Cant wait to hit the sand dunes once its fitted

Thanks for the reply. When you fit it up would you be able to let us know how it drives? And what you think of it? Would be good to get a different view on it. I'm this close to buying one[emoji2] Just waiting on Jose for a reply to my questions.

Cheers

Chris

[MR LR]

Thanks for the reply. When you fit it up would you be able to let us know how it drives? And what you think of it? Would be good to get a different view on it. I'm this close to buying one[emoji2] Just waiting on Jose for a reply to my questions.

Cheers

Chris
For me the deciding factor would be transmission, if manual => VNT, if auto, I'd consider the inside unit as it certainly seems good on paper :) (difference being that the auto will maintain boost).

[SPROVER]

Yeah mine is an auto so all good. Although it might be due for a rebuild soon me thinks[emoji33] The 2 different turbo graphs seem to make Max torque by 2700 rpm. I'd be happy with that if that was the case.

[defmec]

I will post on how it performs , i only have a stage 1 tune with egr removed and full custom exhaust 2.5 inch at the moment . I will be fitting a new allisport intercooler aswell. Should get my 130 up and moving . At the same time im going to fit a 1.2 transfer case that should also increase the driveability .

[td5inside]

Looking at the dyno graph it will have less down low and higher power overall up high in the rev range .i think if your going to tow your still better off with a vnt. Cant wait to hit the sand dunes once its fitted

A comparison between an hybrid and a VNT is not fair at all...starting with price range, wich is almost doble :) Nevertheless, the bolt on VNT turbo units - Turbotechnics - wich are being made since a few years back uses some "old" turbo technology ( it has an OEM td5 admission housing, 56mm base compressor with 41.30 entry... its an unit very similar/if not the same to the 270cdi Mercedes Benz...from 2002) so maybe these new hybrid turbos with mfs compressor billet are not far from that particular VNT performance... I have never seen a a dyno chart from that VNT in particular ( in a 4x4 dyno with centre difflock on). I've made some development regarding ecu remap to suit those turbos, but never had one fitted to my car @ the dyno. There are new and much more advanced VNTs right now wich are a lot more efficient at lower revs, we have been testing a td5 with a tdx17xx and that is amazing... we had very good dyno results.

Here is a comparison between stock turbo with stage 3 remap and hybrid turbo:

Stock turbo

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Hybrid turbo

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It has very good torque overall, since low rpm. 1800rpm you get 225NM from stock turbo and 250nm from hybrid. At arround 2200rpm there's already a big big diference 375nm from stock turbo and 425 with the hybrid.

[td5inside]

Hi Jose,

I've got a few questions about the new turbo set up. The figures that you had posted, what sort of modifications have those engines had done?
What sort of figures could I expect from my motor? Currently has a stage 2 remap from you :D, Bigger intercooler, EGR delete, Silencer delete, and 20 pounds of boost.

Can I expect a good increase in power and torque down low? Something to suit say, towing a car trailer around. Could I expect fuel economy to change?
Will turbo lag be decreased? Sorry for all the questions but I need to know these sorts of things before I may purchase one. It may also help other members on here as well when they read this thread. Look forward to hearing from you. Nice work you do by the way.[thumbsupbig]

Cheers

Chris

No need to say sorry about questions :) Its very legit and we do thank to anyone who has questions regarding this - it means this is causing interest :)

Engines have the usual mods, since they were already running st3 remapp with stock turbo...

Big Intercooler
Egr delete
Silicon hoses
Stock straight through exausth wich ends in the middle of the car with stock silencer ( the one from the rear section)

Nothing was changed inside the engine.

In one of them the air filter box is stock with KN filter... In the other one we use a KN apolo air filter :

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As you can see from the previous posts with dino charts there is gains in terms of power/torque from lower revs in comparison with stock turbo... its not a last generation VNT turbo, but the mfs compressor billet makes the turbo spool very good from start! To be honest, did not make any fuel consumption analysis...was a bit excited with powaaaaaaaa :twisted: I believe with same driving style should not go up, but I'll drive my 90 gently 2 or 3 tanks of fuel to see if I can get to a conclusion :

Thank you all for your support :o

Regards

[defmec]

Are you running stock exhaust manifolds, have you modified the bolts and what exhaust temps were they getting on the dyno.

[td5inside]

Are you running stock exhaust manifolds, have you modified the bolts and what exhaust temps were they getting on the dyno.

Stock exausths open between exits... 8 of the 10 holes in the manifold are a bit larger... That's just it!

We got arround 720?C on the dyno, running the KN Appolo and arround 750 with stock airbox filter.

[Nick S]

Thanks for the reply. When you fit it up would you be able to let us know how it drives? And what you think of it? Would be good to get a different view on it. I'm this close to buying one[emoji2] Just waiting on Jose for a reply to my questions.

Cheers

Chris

I've ordered one of these kits from Jose and am waiting on an Allisport intercooler too so will post the results when all the bits are installed
Nick

[defmec]

Interesting about the k&n filter, I have a appolo in the shed I had on a supercharged 3.9 disco, might have to get some piping and bends to fit it up.

[QLDMIKE]

Noooo. Too much to handle. I want this. Jose, how long will this offer last. I will be in Europe for Christmas, maybe I can pick one up for a Christmas present to myself.

Really want to see and hear what people think about these once fitted. My stage 3 tune goes like stink. This can only be a good thing.

[d2dave]

I'm in. Pm Sent.

[Steve223]

delet

[Steve223]

sorry on iPhone didn't see post with price do you have a web site and contact details to order and for a couple of more questions? the last try with a Hybrid from DPL wasn't very convincing and removed within 3 days. need low down torque

[Furka]

Impressive results :o It's correct to think that EGT temps are a bit lower on a Defender vs a Discovery, at the same Stage map ?

[Steve223]

hello,

if I'm right and going by the dyno figures turbo will only really spool up at around 1600 RPM. I'm after a solution which will give me low down torque for off-road ideally just above idle RPMs I guess yours wouldn't be suitable for that? do you have a solution for low down torque?

cheers

Steve

[gusthedog]

Jose,

how will these hybrid turbos go for those of us with early non - flashable td5 ecu's? Is there a benefit without the map upgrade? To convert to an nnn ecu is going to cost an extra $1000 au or so on top of this and I'm wondering if it's worth it?

[Disco Muppet]

If you're spending the money on a turbo upgrade, then to not begin with a mapped ecu is silly. Particularly as its entirely possible that remaps will need tweaks to suit the new turbo based on different vehicles and user needs, would you rather keep sending your ecu away to be re-soldered, or just send an email and still be able to drive the vehicle?
Being tight with tuning and buying a new hybrid turbo aren't things that go in the same sentence :cool:

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[gusthedog]

If you're spending the money on a turbo upgrade, then to not begin with a mapped ecu is silly. Particularly as its entirely possible that remaps will need tweaks to suit the new turbo based on different vehicles and user needs, would you rather keep sending your ecu away to be re-soldered, or just send an email and still be able to drive the vehicle?
Being tight with tuning and buying a new hybrid turbo aren't things that go in the same sentence :cool:

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I get that Muppet. I paid for a davis performance tune on my msb ecu though and I'd rather not have to get another if it will work with the turbo. Eg 80% of an Jose tune. I think I'd be better off selling my tuned ecu and getting a nnn ecu, eu2 map and turbo from Jose. Which is why I pm'd him for a quote an hour or so ago ;)

[ramblingboy42]

...sooooo.....what I'm gleaning here is that this hybrid turbo is not a bolt on replacement if ones OEM turbo lets go.....

[Disco Muppet]

Pricey, I'm sure it'd 'work'. Not going to go backwards and play the national anthem with just the DPL tune :p
But to get the most out of it I'd be going a larger tune, I/C etc etc. Because race car :p :lol2:

Rambling, If you're asking would I put it on a stock car I'd say no. It's not a VNT, I'd imagine it needs a bit more zap than a stock Td5 puts out. However I'll wait for Jose to confirm :cool:

[td5inside]

Noooo. Too much to handle. I want this. Jose, how long will this offer last. I will be in Europe for Christmas, maybe I can pick one up for a Christmas present to myself.

Really want to see and hear what people think about these once fitted. My stage 3 tune goes like stink. This can only be a good thing.

Hi Mike,

I'm sure we can keep this price for you later in the year if you decide to buy this from us :)

Regards

[td5inside]

...sooooo.....what I'm gleaning here is that this hybrid turbo is not a bolt on replacement if ones OEM turbo lets go.....

Its a replacement turbo 100% bolt on...

[td5inside]

Jose,

how will these hybrid turbos go for those of us with early non - flashable td5 ecu's? Is there a benefit without the map upgrade? To convert to an nnn ecu is going to cost an extra $1000 au or so on top of this and I'm wondering if it's worth it?

Hi,

This turbo works in the same way the stock turbo works, so it will work with either stock or other remap files ( unlike vnt's , wich have a completely different map setup ). Neverthless, to get the most/best from this setup, an apropriat remap and turbo boost box its advisable.

Cheers

[td5inside]

Impressive results :o It's correct to think that EGT temps are a bit lower on a Defender vs a Discovery, at the same Stage map ?

I believe so Furka... the discovery does weight about 500kg more than the defender!

[td5inside]

sorry on iPhone didn't see post with price do you have a web site and contact details to order and for a couple of more questions? the last try with a Hybrid from DPL wasn't very convincing and removed within 3 days. need low down torque


hello,

if I'm right and going by the dyno figures turbo will only really spool up at around 1600 RPM. I'm after a solution which will give me low down torque for off-road ideally just above idle RPMs I guess yours wouldn't be suitable for that? do you have a solution for low down torque?

cheers

Steve

Hi Steve,

There are a lot of ways and solutions to build an hybrid turbo. I'm not sure, but I believe I've tested at least 8 to 10 different turbos/solutions in my very own car to get the best possible solution.

Fact is that, turbo goes from stock 2052 to 20## so you would expect to have a bit more lag than the original turbo ( this was probaly what happen with the unit you've tested). By adding an mfs compressor billet and a few more solutions we have managed to make the turbo spool sooner and thats why wont loose (in fact gain) @ lower revs.

Solutions to get more torque at lower revs its either a vnt ( not to big) or a smaller turbo... in both cases you wont get what you are asking, wich is power just above idle... the engine is not prepared to do that. Being optimistic you get good power @ arround 1300 rpm, altough I believe good power delivery its @ 1500/1600 rpm! And this is with later vnt turbos with mfs compressor!

Regards,

[td5inside]

Jose,

how will these hybrid turbos go for those of us with early non - flashable td5 ecu's? Is there a benefit without the map upgrade? To convert to an nnn ecu is going to cost an extra $1000 au or so on top of this and I'm wondering if it's worth it?

Giving the fact that NNN ecus are getting more dificult to get, we are thinking on selling chip+socket for msb units wich can be fitted be any electronic/computer technician!

[QLDMIKE]

Thanks Jose.
Does this turbo need an upgraded MAF?
At what RPM does it start to come onto boost?
And, does it reduce lag? (Manual disco)
Does this turbo come on boost nicely or just snap on abruptly?
What sort of PSI are these turbos punching out?
Ta

Mike

[SPROVER]

Hi Jose,

I have sent you a PM. :)

Thanks

Chris

[d2dave]

Hi Jose,

I have sent you a PM. :)

Thanks

Chris

I sent two PM's before I got a reply. The reply had his email address and he told me to email him, which I have now done.

[SPROVER]

I sent two PM's before I got a reply. The reply had his email address and he told me to email him, which I have now done.

Ok thanks for that. Email I will do:D

Cheers

Chris

[td5inside]

Hi all,

We've been a bit late on replying emails and messages....Workshop is full and some of the guys are on holidays, wich means, same work, less hands :spudnikparty:

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I will try and make some videos of a disco manual with this turbo setup, specially boost vs rpm vs speed so that you can have more real life info about this !

Meanwhile first 4 turbos should be in Australia at any moment and the owners will for sure let their feedback.

Regards

[QLDMIKE]

Get here now turbos. Keen to hear how they go for people.

[SPROVER]

Still waiting on a reply. Its been nearly 2 weeks now :confused:

[d2dave]

Still waiting on a reply. Its been nearly 2 weeks now :confused:

Its ten days since I emailed. He did say he was a bit short staffed at the moment and I imagine that he probably gets hundreds of emails.

Having said that, I am keen for a reply as I am very keen on getting one of these, I just need some questions answered.

[gusthedog]

I pm'd him as well with no luck. I'm sure he's busy though. Anyone installed the turbo and map yet and can report back? :p

[Nick S]

Still waiting for the box to arrive, been 2 weeks now so hopefully it gets here soon
Nick

[SPROVER]

I pm'd him as well with no luck. I'm sure he's busy though. Anyone installed the turbo and map yet and can report back? :p

Yep no doubt he's busy with the new turbos selling. I sometimes get told I'm very impatient[emoji14]

[td5inside]

Emails and Pm's being replied right now :)

Really sorry guys, been trying to get hold of everything but honestly, I think I need extra hands and maybe 48h days :D

This is also something that is being getting our attention lately :)

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Cheers,

[d2dave]

Got all questions answered during the night. Thanks Jose. A new map and turbo will be heading my way.:)

[defmec]

The turbo's must be coming by boat.:-(. Or maybe im too inpatient

[Nick S]

I must be impatient too, been waiting 4 weeks now

[Nick S]

Just heard from Jose, apparently turbo is with Oz Customs so just need to wait some more

[Disco Muppet]

Probably got here 3.5 weeks ago and someone in Australia Post has been sitting at their desk spinning the turbines for ****s and giggles for 3 weeks :D

[td5inside]

Hi All....

Here is a bit of how shipping works overhere, so that you can understand some delays.

I wont go direct to one of the big courier, like UPS, DHL, etc because price is almost double.

So, I get to the state courier ( CTT.PT) wich receives the package. After that, state courier goes to the market to get the best deal from international courier companies and only when they get best quote the deal is closed.

This is an example of a turbo shipped to Australia. I've delivered the turbo to CTT at 30/06 . Only at 08/7 they booked the international Courier and that's when they change the status to accepted. Next day it has leaved the country and that its the final information about tracking... next tracking info will be when the turbo is delivered.

__________________________________________________ _____________

Hour Status Reason Place Receiver

Thursday, 9 July 2015

20:32 International dispatch - LISBOA CP -
15:46 National reception - CPLS SUL -
08:28 Reception by delivery station - C.O. LOURES - MARL -
08:28 National reception - C.O. LOURES - MARL

Wednesday, 8 July 2015

17:50 Acceptance by the Post Services - PEDRULHA (COIMBRA)
__________________________________________________ ____________

This is the way I can get best price for shipping costs. 3 to 4 weeks is the maximum time they claim the package to be delivered. When sending NNN ecu, I've experienced both the good (1,5 weeks) and the bad (4,5 weeks)

Cheers,

[d2dave]

I am getting ready to order one of these turbos but I also want a bigger intercooler.

Jose reckons that freight would kill it if I got one from him, although I do want him to quote it.

Can anyone here help with advise on brands and where to buy?

[Disco Muppet]

Much as I'm not a fan of TRS the performance one they do is very good, internally finned for better cooling.
That said, an Alisport or Serk one would do the job just fine.

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[Nick S]

I am getting ready to order one of these turbos but I also want a bigger intercooler.

Jose reckons that freight would kill it if I got one from him, although I do want him to quote it.

Can anyone here help with advise on brands and where to buy?

Just ordered one from Allisport, Andrew was really helpful, freight was 89GBP
Nick

[Tombie]

Much as I'm not a fan of TRS the performance one they do is very good, internally finned for better cooling.
That said, an Alisport or Serk one would do the job just fine.

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So it should be... I designed it :) - And they purchase them from my mate who does the fabrication....

[defmec]

If your going to get a new allisport one ,i waited 4 months from ordering mine until i recieved it. :mad:

[d2dave]

If your going to get a new allisport one ,i waited 4 months from ordering mine until i recieved it. :mad:

They don't have stock at the moment. I am on the waiting list.
Maybe this was the case with you, bu you were unaware of it.

Those that have ordered turbos. Did you get hit for GST as it is over $1000?

[defmec]

Allisport shoud have atleast listed the wait times on their website ,as when i orderd mine there was no indacation of this . I havent been hit with get stuffed tax yet but am expeccting it

[Nick S]

Allisport shoud have atleast listed the wait times on their website ,as when i orderd mine there was no indacation of this . I havent been hit with get stuffed tax yet but am expeccting it

I waited about 4 weeks for Allisport to have an IC available. Price was less than $1000 if you deduct postage so it should get through without GST. Won't be that lucky with the Turbo

[SPROVER]

Hi Jose,

I have sent you a PM and email.

Thanks
Chris

[d2dave]

Turbo and fuel map ordered. Now to decide on which intercooler.:)


I had then better start saving for when I blow my auto:(

[Nick S]

Turbo and boost box arrived today yeeha! And no GST required
Thanks Jose
Nick

[Disco Muppet]

You posted that 5 hours ago.
Why do we not have videos of skids! :mad: :D

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[Nick S]

Haha, busting to get it installed but thought I'd wait for the intercooler to turn up and do it all in one shot plus I've got to go to Japan for the weekend so it's gong to be another week till I get it in.

[d2dave]

Why do we not have videos of skids! :mad: :D


And with traction control how do we do this?

[Disco Muppet]

Keep doing hard, fast u-turns as tight as possible until you trip the amigos.
Jeez Dave, I just come up with the stupid ideas, it's up to you lot to work out how to achieve them :D

[d2dave]

I'll be able to do skids in mine when I get around to fitting my lockers:)

[defmec]

I'll be able to do skids in mine when I get around to fitting my lockers:)

Im more into donuts myself :D

[td5inside]

And with traction control how do we do this?

Fuse 11 off :twisted::twisted::twisted:

[td5inside]

Im more into donuts myself :D

What....this?? :)


https://www.facebook.com/Td5Inside/videos/vb.136183586442660/603049189756095/'type=2&theater

or this??

https://www.facebook.com/Td5Inside/videos/vb.136183586442660/603051766422504/'type=2&theater


:twisted::twisted::twisted:

[SPROVER]

What....this?? :)


https://www.facebook.com/Td5Inside/videos/vb.136183586442660/603049189756095/'type=2&theater

or this??

https://www.facebook.com/Td5Inside/videos/vb.136183586442660/603051766422504/'type=2&theater


:twisted::twisted::twisted:

Haha. That's awesome. [emoji2]

[d2dave]

Fuse 11 off :twisted::twisted::twisted:

So will this disable traction control without logging a fault?

[defmec]

What....this?? :)


https://www.facebook.com/Td5Inside/videos/vb.136183586442660/603049189756095/'type=2&theater

or this??

https://www.facebook.com/Td5Inside/videos/vb.136183586442660/603051766422504/'type=2&theater


:twisted::twisted::twisted:

Awesome. But my donuts will be better as im running part-time transfer case :p

[Nick S]

OK guys fitted the new TD5Inside turbo and Allisport IC over the past couple of days and here are my preliminary impressions. As background the car is a 2000 130 with 180K. It was fitted with a NNN ECU by the PO who also put a 3" exhaust and had it remapped with an Autologic map for TD5. I know nothing about this map apart from website saying it should be making 170HP and 333Nm. The car has 285/16 BFGs and the usual stuff like bulbar winch and LR tank. Was never really that impressed with the performance and fully loaded it used to hit 650 EGT on long hills in 5th whilst slowing from 110 down to around the 70kmh.
The turbo went in no problem and I set it at about 17psi (being cautious) and it seemed to spool up much faster than previously, definitely felt more powerful, particularly putting your foot into it in 5th gear, EGT seemed to be a little lower. I then put in the Allisport IC and holy **** the thing really moves for such a heavy lump, EGTs down by about 100C over the original setup, can't get it over about 550C now. General impression is a much more powerful and smoother motor. Seem to be able to drive it with much less accelerator than before so it will be interesting to see what the consumption does. Next step is to get a new map from Jose and see what that does. So I think that it was well worth the upgrade cost. Will have to load her up in full camping mode and how it performs then
Will keep updating this when I have the new map in
Cheers
Nick

[discovery39]

What....this?? :)


https://www.facebook.com/Td5Inside/videos/vb.136183586442660/603049189756095/'type=2&theater

or this??

https://www.facebook.com/Td5Inside/videos/vb.136183586442660/603051766422504/'type=2&theater


:twisted::twisted::twisted:

Awesome video.
But he's got a tail-light out.
I'm sure that's illegal........;)

[SPROVER]

OK guys fitted the new TD5Inside turbo and Allisport IC over the past couple of days and here are my preliminary impressions. As background the car is a 2000 130 with 180K. It was fitted with a NNN ECU by the PO who also put a 3" exhaust and had it remapped with an Autologic map for TD5. I know nothing about this map apart from website saying it should be making 170HP and 333Nm. The car has 285/16 BFGs and the usual stuff like bulbar winch and LR tank. Was never really that impressed with the performance and fully loaded it used to hit 650 EGT on long hills in 5th whilst slowing from 110 down to around the 70kmh.
The turbo went in no problem and I set it at about 17psi (being cautious) and it seemed to spool up much faster than previously, definitely felt more powerful, particularly putting your foot into it in 5th gear, EGT seemed to be a little lower. I then put in the Allisport IC and holy **** the thing really moves for such a heavy lump, EGTs down by about 100C over the original setup, can't get it over about 550C now. General impression is a much more powerful and smoother motor. Seem to be able to drive it with much less accelerator than before so it will be interesting to see what the consumption does. Next step is to get a new map from Jose and see what that does. So I think that it was well worth the upgrade cost. Will have to load her up in full camping mode and how it performs then
Will keep updating this when I have the new map in
Cheers
Nick

Nice[emoji2] So very jealous at the moment. Glad to hear it goes well. Just wait till you get the tune to suit. Can't wait for mine to arrive. How long did it take you to fit up the turbo?
Cheers
Chris

[Nick S]

Turbo only took a couple of hours to install but the Allisport IC took me ages trying to get some of the bolts undone for the front of the grill surround. I wish I could weld like the guys that make the IC, it almost looks too good to hide it behind the grill

[d2dave]

Well that is good to hear. I have turbo and map on its way and I have decided on the allisport intercooler but they are currently out of stock.

[Gt]

Already got the allisport cooler fitted, still waiting for the turbo to arrive......

[d2dave]

I sent Allisport an email asking how long the wait was.
Turns out that they have stock and they were unaware that their website said no stock.

So have just ordered one. Now while waiting I will have to get around to fitting my provent (kindly donated by Redbak, thanks Baz) to keep the new intercooler clean.

[defmec]

Looks like my turbo won't be getting fitted for a while. :( the postal company must have used it as a football.

[Nick S]

Mine took nearly 4 weeks to get here

[SPROVER]

Looks like my turbo won't be getting fitted for a while. :( the postal company must have used it as a football.

What happened to it? Was it damaged in transit? [emoji47]

[defmec]

What happened to it? Was it damaged in transit? [emoji47]

Its a total write off ,the back of the case is cracked all the way around the compressor wheel is bent and pieces broken off . It looks like someone threw it on the ground :( :mad:

[SPROVER]

Its a total write off ,the back of the case is cracked all the way around the compressor wheel is bent and pieces broken off . It looks like someone threw it on the ground :( :mad:

[emoji33][emoji33] That's bloody disappointing! So what happens with it now? Does the postage cover insurance as well? Hopefully Jose can sort something out with the postal company. Mine should be here very soon too. This has me very concerned now[emoji35]

[d2dave]

Its a total write off ,the back of the case is cracked all the way around the compressor wheel is bent and pieces broken off . It looks like someone threw it on the ground :( :mad:

Pics please.

[Nick S]

Looks like my turbo won't be getting fitted for a while. :( the postal company must have used it as a football.

Jeez I misread your post, thought it hadn't arrived yet, bummer it got wrecked. Mine had the studs on the outlet sticking through the side of the cardboard box.

[defmec]

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=97321&stc=1&d=1438743940

[SPROVER]

That has definitely been dropped and from quite a height by the looks of it[emoji35][emoji35] Have you contacted Jose?

[defmec]

Yeah I sent him a email with the pics. I was devastated after I unwrapped it.

[SPROVER]

Yeah I sent him a email with the pics. I was devastated after I unwrapped it.

I would have been as well. [emoji33]

[d2dave]

I would have been as well. [emoji33]

X2.

[defmec]

Just talked to jose and he is very helpfull .will go back to aus post and see what they have to say .

[td5inside]

Hi all,

2 new units on the way to Australia via urgent courier to replace the damaged ones, as we would expect completly free of charge...

Since we start to sell these turbos,we have send arround 30 units to all over the world and only 2 were damaged... exactly the ones that were send in the same day, so it must have been the same "idiot" who wrecked them ( probably has a toyota or a nissan :D and he is jealous )

Has a precaution for the future:

New packages for the turbo units are gona be made
Differente courier service will be used.

Thank you to both Luke and Shane for being so compreensive about this.

Regards,

[SPROVER]

That is top stuff on your behalf Jose. I can see why people keep coming back to you with service like that. If only more businesses were like that.

Cheers
Chris

[d2dave]

Mine arrived today. All in one piece with no damage:) thanks Jose

Now as I have also paid for a fuel map what's the go?

[rangieman]

Mine arrived today. All in one piece with no damage:) thanks Jose

Now as I have also paid for a fuel map what's the go?

I thought the go was you copy your standard map email to Jose . Once he gets it he modifies it and emails it back to you and then the the rest is history;)

[SPROVER]

Mine came today as well[emoji1] It was like Christmas came early when I opened it [emoji16]

[Disco Muppet]

Be interested to see how these go on an auto vehicle.
So, Sprover and D2Dave, get fitting :D

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[rangieman]

Be interested to see how these go on an auto vehicle.
So, Sprover and D2Dave, get fitting :D

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Im hanging out for someone with a manual disco to reply with the results:cool:

[d2dave]

Be interested to see how these go on an auto vehicle.
So, Sprover and D2Dave, get fitting :D


Not yet. I want to fit the intercooler first and it hasn't arrived.

[d2dave]

I thought the go was you copy your standard map email to Jose . Once he gets it he modifies it and emails it back to you and then the the rest is history;)

I know it is something like this but I want to talk to Jose first. Also there are different mappings available, so I think this should be discussed.

[SPROVER]

Be interested to see how these go on an auto vehicle.
So, Sprover and D2Dave, get fitting :D

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Yep looking forward to it. If I find sometime this weekend I'll be fitting it up for sure :D:burnrubber:

[d2dave]

I also have broken manifold stud so I will do this at the same time.

[td5inside]

Mine arrived today. All in one piece with no damage:) thanks Jose

Now as I have also paid for a fuel map what's the go?

Hi Dave,

Just email your current map file along with a description of other mods you have made to your car and also what sort of driving you do with your car!

I'll email you new map file for the hybrid turbo and adjust it till your satisfied :)

[d2dave]

So how do I do this? Do I load it onto an SD card with Nanocom and then transfer it to my computer?

[Fluids]

Yep !

:)

[Gt]

Replacement turbo arrived in today's post. Many thanks to Jose. Will try and get it fitted up during the week. Already have the larger intercooler in, just need to sort out a boost box and fuel map to suit. :burnrubber:

Cheers
Shane

[d2dave]

My new intercooler arrived yesterday. So I now have the goodies, just got to find time to fit them.

[Nick S]

Just finished installing Jose's map after installing the turbo and Allisport IC a couple of weeks ago. Currently running 18 psi boost (VDO gauge) and the old 130 flys!! Not used to the car being able to keep accelerating beyond 120kmh. Very happy with the results
Nick

[d2dave]

Nick. I am about to do this myself. My son is in town as I speak to get me an SD card.

Can you give me a brief run down on the procedure and what size SD card do I need.

[Nick S]

Hi Dave
I saved the map to my laptop and the downloaded it to the ECU via Nanocom but if you are saving the map to an SD card you won't need a very large one as the map file is fairly small. It's my first time using the Nanocom but it seems straightforward. Send me a PM if you need help
Nick

[gavinwibrow]

Nick. I am about to do this myself. My son is in town as I speak to get me an SD card.

Can you give me a brief run down on the procedure and what size SD card do I need.
I concur, for we few remaining/dying off IT troglodytes, a line by line explanation of what to do via Nanocom would be great. It would be worth doing and putting in the archives/good oil, rather than PMs, if anyone is happy to do it!

Incidentally, last time I sent my info to Jose, on his instructions, I just downloaded a file and emailed it to him - too easy, but it was a few years ago and I forgot to write down what I did.

I now have a different engine (read injectors) plus I want to refine the reMAP for towing a 3.5T caravan with TD5, so will need the full process to send info to Jose again.

[Nick S]

OK Gavin, this what I did. You need a Nanocom + laptop with the
Nanocom software loaded. Connect to the car and copy the current map from the ECU to your laptop. Email the copy of your map to Jose telling him what you want (power, torque, economy etc) and the details of any mods (turbo, IC, exhaust) plus the type of driving you do. When he emails you back a modified map, save it to the computer and then reconnect the Nanocom and laptop to the car and download the map to the ECU. When you do this make sure other electrical equipment like the stereo is turned off. This is all that I did and it worked well
Nick

[d2dave]

I don't have a laptop. I had my computer whiz son home for the weekend.
What we did was put an SD card into nanocom. Downloaded fuel map to SD card then plugged Nanocom into computer via USB.
Then downloaded the fuel map to my computer to send to Jose.

[Nick S]

Just as good as my way Dave. You'll love the way it goes with the new turbo and map. Bit addictive to drive now with all the torque, keep having to remind myself that it's only 2.5L

[rangieman]

Anyone running this setup on on a manual d2 i realy would like to hear real world experience ;)

[d2dave]

Chris. I would have thoughts the results on a Defender (them being manuals)would be very similar.
You have probably read Nick S post #124, but if you haven't go back and have a read.

[rangieman]

Chris. I would have thoughts the results on a Defender (them being manuals)would be very similar.
You have probably read Nick S post #124, but if you haven't go back and have a read.

Dave yeah read it ;) But the Deefers have a lower high range Hence the question:cool:

[SPROVER]

I finally got around to fitting up the new turbo[emoji1] I'm just waiting for the new remap to arrive, but first thoughts are it is pretty good. Even on half and quarter throttle. I need to install the boost box as I'm getting fuel cut off. Will update once new map and boost box installed.
Cheers
Chris

[Nick S]

You'll have a ball Chris, the 130 is a new beast with the turbo, boost box, IC and remap. Spent the weekend up around Mansfield and it is just as good in the bush, so much torque make tackling steep stuff very controllable, but you should have seen the face on a Landcruiser driver I passed on the way home doing about 120 going up a long hill on the highway back to Melb. Don't think he'd ever been passed by a Landy covered in mud going that fast uphill hehehe
Nick

[SPROVER]

You'll have a ball Chris, the 130 is a new beast with the turbo, boost box, IC and remap. Spent the weekend up around Mansfield and it is just as good in the bush, so much torque make tackling steep stuff very controllable, but you should have seen the face on a Landcruiser driver I passed on the way home doing about 120 going up a long hill on the highway back to Melb. Don't think he'd ever been passed by a Landy covered in mud going that fast uphill hehehe
Nick

Yep it's a different beast to drive now[emoji2] I fitted the boost box today before work and now she's getting about 20-22 psi without fuel cut off. Certainly goes alot better. I'm trying not to boot it to much until I get the new map from Jose.

Jose are you here? [emoji1]

Cheers
Chris

[Nick S]

The new map will improve the the power and torque again. I was amazed at the difference on the 130

[SPROVER]

The new map will improve the the power and torque again. I was amazed at the difference on the 130

How much boost are you running on yours? And do you have an EGT gauge? I think I may invest in one just for peace of mind.

[Nick S]

Boost is at 20 psi max and yes an EGT gauge is a must

[5teve]

You'll have a ball Chris, the 130 is a new beast with the turbo, boost box, IC and remap. Spent the weekend up around Mansfield and it is just as good in the bush, so much torque make tackling steep stuff very controllable, but you should have seen the face on a Landcruiser driver I passed on the way home doing about 120 going up a long hill on the highway back to Melb. Don't think he'd ever been passed by a Landy covered in mud going that fast uphill hehehe
Nick

HI Nick

What intercooler did you get? I'm running an allard but keep splitting it with standard turbo and 19psi boost, so looking at one from Jose along with the turbo, map etc.. or maybe a fast road serck... or similar.. be interested to hear.

Steve

[Nick S]

G'day Steve
I got an Allisport IC and no problems so far apart from having to change to those bolt type clamps instead of hose clamps as I kept blowing off the hose at the turbo outlet
Nick

[5teve]

Out of interest and I'll probably get a quicker response (as I reckon Jose may be a bit busy :) )

What does the turbo come with? gaskets etc or do I have to get them too? any pics of the turbo and fittings?

Still debating on the intercooler as I havent split the intercooler recently :)

Steve

[Nick S]

Mine came with manifold gasket, nuts and a boost box + a couple of tD5 Inside stickers.

[5teve]

Thanks Nick

I have a busted manifold stud (200000K's before it broke!) so was debating a full kit as sold on the likes of ebay which include all gaskets or just specific ones.. I think I'll go the full kit as then i'll have them for the oil return etc.

Time to transfer some money to Jose.. i'm assuming, as he didnt specify, that paypal is the transfer method??

Steve

[Nick S]

I used PayPal when I ordered mine
Cheers
Nick

[FMBK]

Hello Landy dream team
Me Too I have Disco 2 G4 TD5,
Im still wiating a turbe + Box + map Stage3
My config is Big intercooler, EGR removed exhaust manifold CJM and K&N filter
My question the silcone hoses is mondatory ?

cheers

[Nick S]

I changed mine to silicone as the cost was small compared to all the other bits that were going on, the existing hoses were old and people had reported problems with the stock ones like delamination etc so I thought why not change them when I had it all apart
Nick

[5teve]

Well thats that ordered.. hopefully hear some confirmation from Jose that he has the funds etc soon.. and then hopefully it will arrive soon as I deliberated for too long and need it before xmas so had to pay for fast delivery!

Steve

[td5inside]

Well thats that ordered.. hopefully hear some confirmation from Jose that he has the funds etc soon.. and then hopefully it will arrive soon as I deliberated for too long and need it before xmas so had to pay for fast delivery!

Steve

On the way to you mate :)

[SPROVER]

Hi Jose,

I'm still waiting on the remap for the new turbo.:( Its been 6 weeks now. Any chance of getting it soon?

Cheers

Chris

[td5inside]

Hi Jose,

I'm still waiting on the remap for the new turbo.:( Its been 6 weeks now. Any chance of getting it soon?

Cheers

Chris

BAD JOS? from td5INSIDE.... keeping people waiting for the power :(

Really sorry mate!

Last couple of weeks (as always) have been very busy. We were in the UK to tune some cars for driven to the edge, we had a 24 hour race with a bowler td5, and we were finishing a 110 to be press car @ the dakar rally.
To be honest I tought you had this already :( Will send it later today when I get back to the computer with winOLS.


VIDEO
https://www.facebook.com/Td5Inside/videos/vb.136183586442660/1012286628832347/'type=2&theater

https://scontent.flis1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12227210_1007871632607180_2879628289754595400_n.jp g?oh=17523b090e61a9df12045a61f5e163a9&oe=5711DF4A

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[SPROVER]

Well I received the new map and all I can say is that it has made it even better again ☺ Pulls strongly when needed and smooth power delivery when driving normally. It took awhile 😉 but thanks again guys ! Great work as usual.

[rangieman]

Well I received the new map and all I can say is that it has made it even better again ☺ Pulls strongly when needed and smooth power delivery when driving normally. It took awhile 😉 but thanks again guys ! Great work as usual.

Swear filter meter ? How much ;)

[turbopsi]

Jose, how do you expect these turbo's to spool with the HD low stall torque converter? I had a VNT on the list in hope of quicker low down spool/torque but have now come across this thread.


Also keep in mind the lower stall flash point produces less exhaust gas on take off compared to the standard auto's you would have been testing.
Cheers.

[turbopsi]

Jose, On top of my last post, how about providing some dyno graphs with real world scenarios for some of your D2 customers I.E D2, Auto, 15 - 20psi boost? possibly an uprated intercooler. Also overlaying results over standard turbo graph.


The above setup seems to be quite common in the D2 forum and I haven't read about too many people running 25+psi. I have great interest in your work but planning a best setup to tow a caravan differs from your all out race setups.


Lastly, will you offer a "no bling" option? I don't need fancy paint and a coloured compressor wheel. If it lowers the cost price then bonus.


Cheers.

[td5inside]

Lastly, will you offer a "no bling" option? I don't need fancy paint and a coloured compressor wheel. If it lowers the cost price then bonus.



Turbo housing can be send fully stock colour with no problem. The compressor wheel is colour anodized to give resistance, but that can be done with silver colour , so will look standart. No impact in price tough.



Jose, On top of my last post, how about providing some dyno graphs with real world scenarios for some of your D2 customers I.E D2, Auto, 15 - 20psi boost? possibly an uprated intercooler. Also overlaying results over standard turbo graph.


The above setup seems to be quite common in the D2 forum and I haven't read about too many people running 25+psi. I have great interest in your work but planning a best setup to tow a caravan differs from your all out race setups.


Unfortunatly we cant have all sort of cars with all sort of setups in our dyno. We do testing and preview scenarios and uses, but cant have all different things/setup that exist on the market fully tested This also happens with the car makes... If I remember, Land rover has numbers and graphs for disco and defender, but does not show Manual or Auto, EU2 or EU3 (injector pressure/IC syze) , 90 or 130, with or without EGr, and as we all know there are few differences between them.

All the dyno graphs I've showed are not race setups maps... car's run a lot of mileage every year. They show what we can achieved with turbo, calibration and other performance changes wich I've described allong with the graphs.

This said, what we are doing all the time is getting feedback of costumers and users and improving the product, triyng to match every specification possible and every use/cenario and, along with the remap, getting a good compromise for good performance.

Unlike the standart turbo, we have different spec turbo for Defender and discovery... Auto and Manual disco are different asweell. Diferences are mainly in the compressor billet, exausth housing angle and turbo size... Of course all this matched to different spec remap.

There are a few owners/costumers already using the turbo so I reckon some very detailed feedbacks/reviews will soon start to be made.




Also keep in mind the lower stall flash point produces less exhaust gas on take off compared to the standard auto's you would have been testing.



...not if we change some parameters in the remap file wich can even be idle speed :)

[turbopsi]

Thanks Jose, which spec would you recommend for quickest possible turbo spool-up?, and what would be the mid-high rpm range power compromise be in choosing the quicker spooling spec.


I'm holding out for more reviews, hopefully one with the lower stall HD converter.


Cheers.

[rangieman]

Thanks Jose, which spec would you recommend for quickest possible turbo spool-up?, and what would be the mid-high rpm range power compromise be in choosing the quicker spooling spec.


I'm holding out for more reviews, hopefully one with the lower stall HD converter.


Cheers.

Im another watching with interest before i jump . Mine is a D2a manual so id like to see some more feed back from those that have gone down this route :angel:
So come on you boy races post up please:cool:

[SPROVER]

If any of you guys are near ferntree gully and want to test drive mine you're more then welcome. Mine is an auto with hybrid turbo , Serck intercooler , egr delete, remap and 23 psi 😐. It really changes the disco 😆

[Gt]

I am running a similar set up to Sprover. Allisport intercooler, auto and 23 psi boost on the hybrid turbo. I have found it more responsive from the start and mid range is very strong. Overall it is a much more relaxed drive and overtakes well on the highway. I have also towed my car trailer and small tractor recently and the extra torque was definitely noticeable. I would recommend it for anybody looking for some more performance and increased torque.

[turbopsi]

If any of you guys are near ferntree gully and want to test drive mine you're more then welcome. Mine is an auto with hybrid turbo , Serck intercooler , egr delete, remap and 23 psi 😐. It really changes the disco 😆

Hi SPROVER, that would be great. I'll contact you after the holiday period and work out a time your free.
Cheers.

[barney]

Wouldn't an auto go into limp mode with that much torque going into it?
No, they just blow up apparently.The there's the whole issue of twisting axles.

[turbopsi]

Thanks Jose, which spec would you recommend for quickest possible turbo spool-up?, and what would be the mid-high rpm range power compromise be in choosing the quicker spooling spec.


I'm holding out for more reviews, hopefully one with the lower stall HD converter.


Cheers.

Jose, any comments?

Also, I thought we would have received a few more reviews by now. Anyone else care to add a review of how their new turbo is going?

Cheers.

[Nick S]

Mine has been in for about 4 months now. Vehicle is a 2000 130 with 185,000km so its a manual which is not the info you were after.
The turbo, boost box and remap from Jose has transformed the vehicle. I did add an Allisport IC and a Provent when I changed the turbo. I have 33" BFGs but you can be sitting on 100Kph on the highway in 5th and put your foot down and the thing takes off, great for passing. Overall much more torque so really good offroad and no major drop in economy. Currently I have it boosting to just under 20psi. I put up some posts in this thread last year about the changes. I would certainly do it again if I had a standard Td5. Not an auto but hope this helps
Nick

[turbopsi]

Thanks Nick, I've done it the other way around. I've got the remap and HD auto already done and am curious about how the TD5inside turbo will change or compliment what I already have. I'm quite happy with the current setup but I would like to improve the turbo lag situation and any midrange gains on top of what I gained by the re-map would be a bonus. I've also got a performance intercooler on the way.

Are you running an EGT gauge? If so did temps change with the new turbo?
Cheers.

[td5inside]

Jose, any comments?

Cheers.

If I get in more in the specs of the turbo, I would reveal the result of all our work wich is just technical stuff for most of you (users and costumers) but could be bit more than that if someone want to try and copie our solutions.

If you tell us exactly what your car's setup is and also what you use it for, pretty sure we can adapt turbo features and remap to match it...

[td5inside]

Mine has been in for about 4 months now. Vehicle is a 2000 130 with 185,000km so its a manual which is not the info you were after.
The turbo, boost box and remap from Jose has transformed the vehicle. I did add an Allisport IC and a Provent when I changed the turbo. I have 33" BFGs but you can be sitting on 100Kph on the highway in 5th and put your foot down and the thing takes off, great for passing. Overall much more torque so really good offroad and no major drop in economy. Currently I have it boosting to just under 20psi. I put up some posts in this thread last year about the changes. I would certainly do it again if I had a standard Td5. Not an auto but hope this helps
Nick

Thanks for your input Nick! Very Important :)

Get it with bit more boost... our optimal range of use its between 22 and 22 psi :) You'll get better performance, lower EGTS and even lower engine temperature :)

[Nick S]

Thanks Nick, I've done it the other way around. I've got the remap and HD auto already done and am curious about how the TD5inside turbo will change or compliment what I already have. I'm quite happy with the current setup but I would like to improve the turbo lag situation and any midrange gains on top of what I gained by the re-map would be a bonus. I've also got a performance intercooler on the way.

Are you running an EGT gauge? If so did temps change with the new turbo?
Cheers.

Yes running an Auber Instruments EGT gauge. I installed the new IC at the same time as the turbo and saw a drop of about 100C in EGT overall, I think that at the time I could not get it over 500C no matter how hard I pushed it so given that I changed both I can't isolate the effect of the turbo alone on EGT. When Jose sent me the new map the EGT did increase but so did the power. Currently, fully loaded for camping with 130 litres of fuel, 100 water on a long hill with it planted and doing 120+kmh it would reach 650C, back off slightly and its back to high 400 to low 500C. Cruising on the flat at 100kmh it sits on mid 300C. As Jose notes on his post I should try increasing the boost to 22psi which should drop the EGTs a bit further, so I'll do some tests on the weekend and let you know
Nick
Nick

[turbopsi]

If I get in more in the specs of the turbo, I would reveal the result of all our work wich is just technical stuff for most of you (users and costumers) but could be bit more than that if someone want to try and copie our solutions.

If you tell us exactly what your car's setup is and also what you use it for, pretty sure we can adapt turbo features and remap to match it...

Hi Jose, I didn't mean for you to fully disclose all specs. I was replying to one of your posts where you said you had different spec turbos for different applications? I was hoping you could elaborate a little further on this.

The vehicle is a D2 td5 auto, Ashcroft HD converter, alive re-map and egr delete. The remap I currently have is great and I was hoping to hold onto the investment already made with the alive tune. Therefore I was interested at turbo only at this stage. Cheers.

[turbopsi]

Yes running an Auber Instruments EGT gauge. I installed the new IC at the same time as the turbo and saw a drop of about 100C in EGT overall, I think that at the time I could not get it over 500C no matter how hard I pushed it so given that I changed both I can't isolate the effect of the turbo alone on EGT. When Jose sent me the new map the EGT did increase but so did the power. Currently, fully loaded for camping with 130 litres of fuel, 100 water on a long hill with it planted and doing 120+kmh it would reach 650C, back off slightly and its back to high 400 to low 500C. Cruising on the flat at 100kmh it sits on mid 300C. As Jose notes on his post I should try increasing the boost to 22psi which should drop the EGTs a bit further, so I'll do some tests on the weekend and let you know
Nick
Nick

Thank Nick, sounds like your EGT's are under control.

[td5inside]

Hi Jose, I didn't mean for you to fully disclose all specs. I was replying to one of your posts where you said you had different spec turbos for different applications? I was hoping you could elaborate a little further on this.

The vehicle is a D2 td5 auto, Ashcroft HD converter, alive re-map and egr delete. The remap I currently have is great and I was hoping to hold onto the investment already made with the alive tune. Therefore I was interested at turbo only at this stage. Cheers.

There are... diferent compressor billet wich can go from mfs compressor 11 blades to mfs compressor 6+6 blades, the angle of the blades is differente aswell, and also different shape of turbine cutting...

Nevertheless I cant guarentee you the best results of our turbo with that remap...It will work for sure, it will be better than stock for sure, but I the features of the turbo demand few tricks on the remap file to fulfill all the potential of the turbo. I'm normally available to do all the adjustments to remaps of my costumers if they change something to theyr cars (change turbo, change intercooler - even if its from different company) free of charge ... Dont know If the provider of your tune can do it to you, but you can give it a try.

Cheers,

[turbopsi]

Jose, perhaps you can have a peak at my current map and let me know if its far off from what you would prefer to suit your turbo. I can contact Alive but they would not know the characteristics of your turbo. I'm not asking for any changes, only a review if you can spare the time. Cheers.

[gusthedog]

Jose, perhaps you can have a peak at my current map and let me know if its far off from what you would prefer to suit your turbo. I can contact Alive but they would not know the characteristics of your turbo. I'm not asking for any changes, only a review if you can spare the time. Cheers.

Just pay the $ and get the proper tune from Jose. Why is his turbo good enough but his tune to suit not? Total false economy. Just describe what you want and I'm sure he can replicate it. ;) otherwise you'll always be left wondering..... :D

[td5inside]

Jose, perhaps you can have a peak at my current map and let me know if its far off from what you would prefer to suit your turbo. I can contact Alive but they would not know the characteristics of your turbo. I'm not asking for any changes, only a review if you can spare the time. Cheers.

I can have a look no problem, but this turbo demands features that would be overkill in a stock turbo and will also not work properly at lower revs with stock turbo... So I would not expected them to be there in a map made for stock turbo.

[turbopsi]

Just pay the $ and get the proper tune from Jose. Why is his turbo good enough but his tune to suit not? Total false economy. Just describe what you want and I'm sure he can replicate it. ;) otherwise you'll always be left wondering..... :D

Never said he's tune isn't good enough. As per one of my previous posts, I've already got an investment in an alive tune and my first option would be to keep it if suitable.

Its the "wondering" part that has me interested in this turbo.....

[turbopsi]

I can have a look no problem, but this turbo demands features that would be overkill in a stock turbo and will also not work properly at lower revs with stock turbo... So I would not expected them to be there in a map made for stock turbo.

Thanks Jose, ill PM you to discuss further.

[Steve223]

Jose, any comments?

Also, I thought we would have received a few more reviews by now. Anyone else care to add a review of how their new turbo is going?

Cheers.


I second that I'm in the market for a turbo but need low down torque and quick spool up for off road driving not as. a street racer ;-)

[turbopsi]

I second that I'm in the market for a turbo but need low down torque and quick spool up for off road driving not as. a street racer ;-)

I've since noticed a few posts on Facebook about a VNT from CR turbos and I believe Jose@TD5inside may be a distributor. I'm waiting on more info.

Hopefully Jose can tune in here and post some info for everyone.

There's also some pics here https://www.facebook.com/TD5inside-Remapping-Malta-217744728560640/?fref=ts&ref=br_tf

[SPROVER]

I second that I'm in the market for a turbo but need low down torque and quick spool up for off road driving not as. a street racer ;-)

I'm running his hybrid turbo with larger intercooler, boost box egr delete and stage 2 map. I run 265 75 16 mud tyres and it still has plenty of torque down low. I'm running 23 psi at the moment and my motor has just clicked over 335 000km :D with an auto box as well :eek: Its no street racer :angel: and runs very well. But if you want to take it to 4000RPM it will happily do that as well. It really transforms the way the car drives and overtakes! Hope that helps. I forgot to mention though it also has the dreaded snapped exhaust bolts and exhaust leak :( But that will be fixed shortly. If you like I can take some Nanocom readings and post them up for anyone who is interested.

Cheers

Chris

[td5inside]

I've since noticed a few posts on Facebook about a VNT from CR turbos and I believe Jose@TD5inside may be a distributor. I'm waiting on more info.

Hopefully Jose can tune in here and post some info for everyone.

There's also some pics here https://www.facebook.com/TD5inside-Remapping-Malta-217744728560640/?fref=ts&ref=br_tf

We are not distributores.... we are makers :)

All the turbos for landrover made by CR turbos are develop upon our specs and develop to our remaps. It's a together work, and CR turbos does not sell them directly to anyone

Neverhelesse, they were not anounced to the Australian Market, because I dont think they are ready for this market just yet.

Regards

[Steve223]

We are not distributores.... we are makers :)



All the turbos for landrover made by CR turbos are develop upon our specs and develop to our remaps. It's a together work, and CR turbos does not sell them directly to anyone



Neverhelesse, they were not anounced to the Australian Market, because I dont think they are ready for this market just yet.



Regards


what do you mean with not ready for those markets ? do you still have issues with them?

I would think that far more people in OZ are interested in a off-road turbo then in the UK for example...

[td5inside]

Hello,

Zero issues And a lot of units fitted already, and abused in normal or racing conditions ... But, there is no default setup for the VNT turbo! Unlike the hybrid wich has an easy pressure adjustment l, the VNT has more to mess with ! A default setup will only be a good product and not excelent turbo we want to offer people! With a vnt all matters for setup! Exausth type, exausth syze, air filter type, etc etc , so each one has its individual "setup"!

I have been tunning and setuping all the turbos myself in the cars after fitting or I've been taking long hours with videos and pics with few more distant dealers so that they can do it themselves ! I'll only sell this to you guys in Australia when I'm sure I'll have the time and availability to do this sort of individual work and make you guys 100% satisfied with a good solid and powerful setup!

[defmec]

[QUOTE=Steve223;2484770]what do you mean with not ready for those markets ? do you still have issues with them?

I would think that far more people in OZ are interested in a off-road turbo then in the UK for example...[/QUdo you think that the alive tune has been dynoed and had many hours spent on a turbo that has different characteristics than a stock . I have the hybrid and a stage 3 map and running 25 psi and can recommend it .I have 3 other maps that I have tried and none come close to Jose's maps .the only problem I am having is the intake manifold bolts keep coming loose and allowing boost to leak .and for a price Jos? offers service second too none .he has spent a lot of time helping me out on problems that weren't anything to do with the turbo (blocked fuel regulator, boost leak.)

[rangieman]

Mmmmm im this close to jumping on the wagon;)
Does the offer still stand jose:cool:

[td5inside]

Mmmmm im this close to jumping on the wagon;)
Does the offer still stand jose:cool:

AULRO members special price still stand :)

[5teve]

I'm all ready to write a review after running this turbo for some months.. but I havent got my map yet :( I know Jose is busy - so if you are reading Jose, can you please reply to my emails (that were in response to yours)

Review will be positive.. but as i'm running an old map I cannot really reveiw it accurately until I can see what it can really do.

Steve O

[td5inside]

I'm all ready to write a review after running this turbo for some months.. but I havent got my map yet :( I know Jose is busy - so if you are reading Jose, can you please reply to my emails (that were in response to yours)

Review will be positive.. but as i'm running an old map I cannot really reveiw it accurately until I can see what it can really do.

Steve O

Mate... no email from you :(

Can you please forward it with current map you are using and I 'll take care of it!

We are in the process of new website, new products, new server and that could be the reason for some missing replys or even missing emails.

Sorry!

[5teve]

Hi Jose

I thought it was strange... i'll send again.. to the usual email address.

Thanks for the reply..

Steve

edit :- OK sent 6/5/16 3:50pm Perth time :)

[Roadrunner230]

Has anyone heard from td5inside. I ordered a remap sent the money and map file and still haven't got a reply. Very hard to get hold of.:mad:

[td5inside]

Has anyone heard from td5inside. I ordered a remap sent the money and map file and still haven't got a reply. Very hard to get hold of.:mad:

I'm here! Check your spam emails because your map file was send on Monday! Some email server don't recognized the map file extension and automatically delete them or send them to the spam/trash folder!

We do take 2 or 3 days to reply sometimes when we are bit more busy , but we don't play with people's money , so when someone pays for some of our products we try to do everything asap!

Cheers
Jos

[joel0407]

18 minute response time by TD5inside. Pretty good I reckon.

It would be nice if "Roadrunner230 (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/members/roadrunner230.html)" responded if he found the email or not. I reckon.

Happy Days

[Chilly]

Mate... no email from you :(

Can you please forward it with current map you are using and I 'll take care of it!

We are in the process of new website, new products, new server and that could be the reason for some missing replys or even missing emails.

Sorry!

Hi,

Would it be worth your while adding your website etc to your signature. Then when people look at threads you are contributing too, they can see a link to your website and click on it?

Cheers,
Chilly

[Roadrunner230]

still haven't relieved it and just checked my email. Can you please resend.

[Roadrunner230]

Jos just went through both my email address and not here yet. Can you check your end please mate. I run a computer repair business and check my hundreds of email each day. I had to give up the spanners 20 years ago after I broke my back but still like working on my own truck. I will be going on holiday towing a van at the end of next week so was trying get it all sorted before I go. Many thanks Paul

[td5inside]

Jos just went through both my email address and not here yet. Can you check your end please mate. I run a computer repair business and check my hundreds of email each day. I had to give up the spanners 20 years ago after I broke my back but still like working on my own truck. I will be going on holiday towing a van at the end of next week so was trying get it all sorted before I go. Many thanks Paul


Mate,

Can you please send me a PM providing me an alternative email adress! Sometimes the firewall protection does not like the map file extension and deletes the email !

Thank you

[td5inside]

Hi,

Would it be worth your while adding your website etc to your signature. Then when people look at threads you are contributing too, they can see a link to your website and click on it?

Cheers,
Chilly

Our website is under major changes at the moment but that's not a bad idea !

New website with new products new online shop will be released later this month !

cheers

[Roadrunner230]

Thanks Jos the email finally arrived. Read an article that Gmail has been down to a lot of people across the world. Apparently a bug in the system. Some it affected some were not . Thanks anyway will let you know how it goes. :)

[rangieman]

Thanks Jos the email finally arrived. Read an article that Gmail has been down to a lot of people across the world. Apparently a bug in the system. Some it affected some were not . Thanks anyway will let you know how it goes. :)

Yeah Sorry Jose;)

[Roadrunner230]

Well I applied the remap and it didn't take much time at all. Very easy. The first thing I noticed is the pitch of the engine on its first start, a lot deeper and the throttle response is very crisp. Haven't taken it for a drive as yet but it dose sound a lot different. Will update tomorrow after a long test run. :)

[Roadrunner230]

Well I have now taken the truck for a bit of a run and am very satisfied with the result. Throttle response is a hole lot better as very little pedal movement to get it up and going and acceleration is a whole lot quicker. Smoother running and the 2200-2500 vibration is now only just noticeable so the remap and the new damper has done a whole lot to reduce it. Next to replace the old mounts and it will probably be 0. Overall the extra power makes it a whole new vehicle and considering that it has 320000 on the clock a great job Jos. The fuel consumption has not been checked but frankly it was good before so even if its a little extra I really don't care just a whole better truck. I have to fit a boost and EGT over the next few days , fit the EGR blank and it will be done ready for its first tow job. Might even pull off the Exhaust manifold to check the studs, probably will have to, to fit the EGT anyway. Again many thanks Jos from td5inside . Money well spent.

[Bobby D]

How are people finding their Hybrid turbos?

Less turbo lag?

After researching and reading up on it I ordered one two weeks ago, so looking forward to receiving mine in the next two weeks. Jose was really helpful.

My current stock turbo is on it's way out, I think it's getting worse too. I think if possible, a gasket is shot and it's mixing in oil resulting in burning it, sure smells like it.

[SPROVER]

Really happy with mine. Don't really notice any lag at all. You'll love it that's for sure. If you have a gasket gone i wouldn't be putting the new turbo on. Enjoy the power when you get it.:D

[Bobby D]

Really happy with mine. Don't really notice any lag at all. You'll love it that's for sure. If you have a gasket gone i wouldn't be putting the new turbo on. Enjoy the power when you get it.:D


That's great news, looking forward to bolting it on. The big 130 could do with some extra poke.

Sorry I meant turbo gasket, not head gasket. Nothing to suggest head gasket gone.. Yet haha. Got a guy here who really knows his td5's so I'm sure he'll set it right.

[pastor098]

Hi there - wondering if anyone has the Hybrid Turbo package, with the Allisport gear installed and wouldn't mind taking me for a test drive?! :)

Located Frankston VIC

Thanks!
Cam

[td5inside]

Hello all,

Because some of the pics are missing from the initial post, here´s a link for a FB album

Td5 Inside / Performance Inside - Photos | Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/pg/Td5Inside/photos/'tab=album&album_id=1018417824885894)

Thank you everyone for supporting and giving feedback of our work... much appreciated.

Cheers

[steve_a]

I've been trying to get TD5Inside to respond to a request on a VNT since the end of last month... anyone heard from them on anything else?

[rangieman]

I've been trying to get TD5Inside to respond to a request on a VNT since the end of last month... anyone heard from them on anything else?
He is not on here much try his dumb book page or email him directly[wink11]

[Roverlord off road spares]

I tried to contact him by PMs and never heard back, as suggested go to his web site and contact him there.

[Vern]

Website or faceache! Even then it can be a bit of a wait so i hear.

[steve_a]

I've tried direct emails to their gmail address they used for previous stuff and a PM here, but no joy. I hate to sound like a grump, but the allisport VNT is a fair bit cheaper and since their intercooler arrives today I guess I probably would have had it by now....
How you can be on Facebook (various posts in the last two weeks) and not reply to PMs or direct emails for a $2k+ sale baffles me....

[Tins]

You could try:

josecamorim@hotmail.com

or is that the one you are using?

[steve_a]

You could try:

josecamorim@hotmail.com

or is that the one you are using?

Nope, I have a td5inside@gmail.com IIRC, this was the email used to send a map to me ages ago. I also tried going to the website and either get just a contact form or the old flash needed site (which I can't see, seriously, who still has flash?).

I've posted on facebook, but there's a Danny from Melbourne that also seems to be waiting on an answer from a few days ago so I'm starting to think about giving up. I have a shiny allisport intercooler on the dining room table I was to install and pair with a shiny VNT...

[strangy]

Still waiting for a response here too.
He must be pretty busy.

[steve_a]

Facebook post mentions info@td5inside.com as well, I'll try that today....

[Tins]

Nope, I have a td5inside@gmail.com IIRC, this was the email used to send a map to me ages ago. I also tried going to the website and either get just a contact form or the old flash needed site (which I can't see, seriously, who still has flash?).

I've posted on facebook, but there's a Danny from Melbourne that also seems to be waiting on an answer from a few days ago so I'm starting to think about giving up. I have a shiny allisport intercooler on the dining room table I was to install and pair with a shiny VNT...

Hmm. Jose posted that one as his personal email on another thread here. Be surprised if he's changed it, unless he got swamped/abused, of course.

[Vern]

You would think with all the people trying to get in contact with them, they could employ someone to answer emails 3 days a week.

[Tins]

(which I can't see, seriously, who still has flash?).



Flash? Ugh. Some sites still nag for it, don't they? I just ignore it, as Safari usually handles it with ease, and when all else fails I use Chrome, which has a sandboxed Flash component. Or something.

HTML5, guys.

[rangieman]

You would think with all the people trying to get in contact with them, they could employ someone to answer emails 3 days a week.
Yeah it is pretty sad i have also messaged him 3 days ago and still waiting [bighmmm]

[Farva]

I've just got new ecu from him, at times it did take a week or two for him to respond to emails, but he did respond to them and my ecu arrived yesterday [biggrin]

The email I've been emailing is td5inside@gmail.com

[td5inside]

Hello everyone ,

Just been redirected to this thread for a forum member! Appreciate that , thank you !

It's been some very very busy weeks ! I have been traveling through Europe remapping and setting up some cars and also people literally fill the workshop with cars to check and revise before they go on holiday !

It's pointless employing someone to reply emails because people just want to talk with me directly and also because people will end up doing questions which only me knows the answer and proper explanation !

I do have someone that reads all emails and messages and just messages me directly if it's an urgent matter or a problem and this way I can assure no one will get stuck with a car / problem because of our lack of response!

Communication is something I have been trying to improve but late evenings and early mornings seams not being enough ...

New Website it's waiting for me to finish some contents to be released ( my fault again )!

Promising here that I will get in touch and reply to all the pending messages in the next 2 days!

Thanks everyone for the patient !

José