Getting second spare wheel on & off roof rack

[LRD414]

I read a comment on another thread and didn't want to hijack...

[LGM]: "I chuck (winch actually) my second spare up on the roof rack when I go bush"

I am interested in what methods people use, other than brute force lifting for the 2nd spare. I have a Rhino Platform so at least it does not have high sides to get the wheel over.

I'm a bit worried about doing my back in getting it up or down. Would normally have a few helpers in most cases but perhaps there is some clever ideas out there.

Regards,
Scott

[Tote]

We had a Dolium ladder on the back door, it was pretty easy to roll the tyre up that.

Regards,
Tote

[~Rich~]

Drop the tailgate to stand on and close the top half grab a hand as well.

Have a rear wheel carrier for spare #1 , hopefully you won't need to use the second spare.

[strydes]

This:


Drop the tailgate to stand on and grab a hand as well.


Open boot lid, drop tailgate, put the boot lid back down and stand on tailgate. If you're reasonably tall this will get you quite high up with good access to put things on the rack and tie it all down.

Ladder would be handy to get up on there, but this is manageable, especially with a pioneer platform which doesn't have sides to contend with when putting the heavy spare up there.

[tiddy]

This:



Open boot lid, drop tailgate, put the boot lid back down and stand on tailgate. If you're reasonably tall this will get you quite high up with good access to put things on the rack and tie it all down.

Ladder would be handy to get up on there, but this is manageable, especially with a pioneer platform which doesn't have sides to contend with when putting the heavy spare up there.

Out of interest what sort weight will the tailgate take?

Cheers
Chris

[~Rich~]

Out of interest what sort weight will the tailgate take?

Cheers
Chris

I'm quite sure we are all happy for you to carry out the destruction testing procedure! :wasntme:

[Tombie]

I can stand on it :cool:

[XDrive]

Lots of people make the same mistake. Why do you have to carry two spare wheels. Why not carry one spare wheel and one spare tyre carcass. A tyre carcass can then be stored easily on the roof rack. Not too much weight on the roof rack and easy to get on and off.

Most towns can handle putting a tyre on a rim and even a lot of farm stations can do the same. You could always do it yourself with a little practice.

Hope that this information is usefull and is taken in the spirit in which it is intended and does not sound like I am criticising you.

Regards

[wbowner]

Lots of people make the same mistake. Why do you have to carry two spare wheels. Why not carry one spare wheel and one spare tyre carcass. A tyre carcass can then be stored easily on the roof rack. Not too much weight on the roof rack and easy to get on and off.

Most towns can handle putting a tyre on a rim and even a lot of farm stations can do the same. You could always do it yourself with a little practice.

Hope that this information is usefull and is taken in the spirit in which it is intended and does not sound like I am criticising you.

Regards

Sounds a good idea. Would you worry about covering it over so water, dust and other stuff does not get into it.

Richard

[madden]

Good place to fit one or two jerry cans in the carcass on the roof.
Cheers

[LRD414]

Why not carry one spare wheel and one spare tyre carcass. A tyre carcass can then be stored easily on the roof rack. Not too much weight on the roof rack and easy to get on and off. Most towns can handle putting a tyre on a rim and even a lot of farm stations can do the same. You could always do it yourself with a little practice.


Good place to fit one or two jerry cans in the carcass on the roof.

Agreed and I have considered that option. But for me, the second spare is an already mounted wheel (original 19") or buy another carcass. Plus I am thinking of situations where it is a long way between towns or farms. Admittedly that would be pretty remote trips but with having the second complete wheel ready to go, I think I might as well take it.

Taking only the carcass is definitely a better arrangement for roof rack load but a full wheel sees you up and going again quicker.

A carcass would solve my issue with lack of upper body strength :) and if that's what I already had, I'd just take the carcass but I think I'll stick with the full wheel.

Cheers,
Scott

[RobA]

Fixed this problem years back. We have an extendable ladder that retracts to around 50mm high and tough as nails. Not cheap but big quality aluminium and we use it to put the amorphous panels on the roof of our Ultimate camper as well. But with the D4 a rear ladder is the next and hopefully last item on our fittest and that will resolve access to our Rhino mesh roof platform on which we put the second spare, three JC in a tub and ratchet strapped down and a few other items in a space case

Rob

[LGM]

Hi LRD414,


I am not a fan of rear wheel carriers (each to his own). When I am heading out 'on the track' I have a Rhino Platform on which I carry my second spare. I install a small WARN XT15 winch to the Drivers side of the platform and a Rhino ladder to the opposite side of the platform. This ladder sits about mid way along the platform and butts up against the rear wheel (tyre) so it sits proud from the body of the D4. I lean the second spare against the ladder run the winch rope across the roof rack and down the ladder and hook it to the spare wheel, hit the button and up the wheel goes using the ladder as the runner and guiding it by hand. Easy Peasy!! A little bit of setting up time but no physical lifting required. Once the wheel is on the platform I can manoeuvre it into its travelling position with a little bit of pushing and shoving. I have a travel cover made for the winch to protect it from the weather and the controls plug in when required. I take power for the winch from the Andersen Plug at the rear of the D4. Hope this explains how I get the spare up top with a little thought a bit of loot and b-all effort on my back.

[eddy]

Or put a tube in it, pumped to low pressure....keeps the dust/rain out and maintains it's shape, makes it easier to seal onto the rim.

[wbowner]

Or put a tube in it, pumped to low pressure....keeps the dust/rain out and maintains it's shape, makes it easier to seal onto the rim.

Good idea. Do they have tubes for 19" types. Probably does not have to be that big for this purpose but good if they do.

Thanks all.


Richard

[gghaggis]

Good idea. Do they have tubes for 19" types. Probably does not have to be that big for this purpose but good if they do.

Thanks all.

Richard

Never seen one, largest I've found is 17". With regards to carrying a carcass, how are you proposing to change the tyres over in the bush? Not easy to find tyre levers/ plyers that are suitable for a 19" alloy.

Cheers

Gordon

[wbowner]

Never seen one, largest I've found is 17". With regards to carrying a carcass, how are you proposing to change the tyres over in the bush? Not easy to find tyre levers/ plyers that are suitable for a 19" alloy.

Cheers

Gordon

Gordon,
trying to find or get a 19" tyre in the bush would be difficult either way. Having the tyre would at least save me that grief.

If out on my own I do have a set of R&R Beadbrakers set up for 19" rims. I have not used it on those, only 17" and that was in my garage. The LR tyres are supposed to be very difficult hence my earlier statement that I am not sure if I could do it.

So in summary - having the second spare tyre is better than not having it, just not perfect. I suppose I could by another rim, if I could find a cheap one.

Alternative I should go buy 18" rims from a nice bloke from WA. That may happen next time around as am getting other mods happening at the moment. Mind you even with 18" having a second spare is good I reckon and the same issues apply but may be not as bad as the stupid 19"

Richard

[dukemasterpro]

This:







Open boot lid, drop tailgate, put the boot lid back down and stand on tailgate. If you're reasonably tall this will get you quite high up with good access to put things on the rack and tie it all down.



Ladder would be handy to get up on there, but this is manageable, especially with a pioneer platform which doesn't have sides to contend with when putting the heavy spare up there.


This worked very well on my trip last year too. Got a lot of practice!

[dukemasterpro]

Gordon,

trying to find or get a 19" tyre in the bush would be difficult either way. Having the tyre would at least save me that grief.



If out on my own I do have a set of R&R Beadbrakers set up for 19" rims. I have not used it on those, only 17" and that was in my garage. The LR tyres are supposed to be very difficult hence my earlier statement that I am not sure if I could do it.



So in summary - having the second spare tyre is better than not having it, just not perfect. I suppose I could by another rim, if I could find a cheap one.



Alternative I should go buy 18" rims from a nice bloke from WA. That may happen next time around as am getting other mods happening at the moment. Mind you even with 18" having a second spare is good I reckon and the same issues apply but may be not as bad as the stupid 19"



Richard


What if you get 2 flats in one day? Also a pain taking drawers out ( if you have them ) to lower the under car spare. Be careful too winching the lifter back up, was lucky that it broke in Sydney of all places - thought I could travel with it up and the tyre from there in the back on the way till the tyre depot. Costly little mistake!

[samandfee]

Hi LRD414
You have said.


But for me, the second spare is an already mounted wheel (original 19") or buy another carcass"

I see you are running 4X 18 GOE with D697's...........assuming you have 2 X punctures....can you run ( without any issues)) an original 19 inch alongside 3X 18 inch GOE rims

Did i miss something here !!!!!:wasntme:

Sam

[LRD414]

.... can you run ( without any issues)) an original 19 inch alongside 3X 18 inch GOE rims ....

Hi Sam and yes I've tested it.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/06/277.jpg

The diameter difference is 12mm (smaller) for the 255/55 R19 compared to 265/60 R18 assuming equal tread and equal pressure. In reality, the difference will be less because the 18's will be partially worn and the 19 is brand new, never used (original spare). So the most likely diameter difference would be around 6-8mm, possibly further reduced by maintaining higher pressure in the 19.

I tested this wheel combination without reducing pressure in the 18's around my local streets for a few km's. I would expect going around bitumen corners a few times to be a good way to get errors if they were going to happen.

Also, I've read on the forum of someone (garrycol) running a 255/55 R18 in combination with three 255/60 R18's from Melbourne to Canberra without issue and that's a diameter difference of 25mm (smaller).

In any case, this is an infrequent situation when a 2nd flat has occurred before the first is fixed (noting the first spare is a GOE 18). It's not a long term solution but I don't expect problems with such a small diameter difference.

Cheers,
Scott

[Smcconnell]

Glad I found this topic!

I'll be ordering some GOE rims soon and the big decision is whether to get 4, 5, or 6 rims.

In the context of all the other things I'd like to buy for the car, my preferred option is to keep costs down by buying 4 GOE rims and carrying OEM 20" rims as spares. One spare for short trips, 2 spares for longer ones.

My main concern with this configuration is difference in tyre diameters and the potential problems that might cause. It's great to hear that you, Scott, haven't had any issues. Can anybody else comment on this from experience?

Steven

[rar110]

Ultimately I decided it wasn't worth the risk. I have 5 GOE rims and a LR 18" rim that will fit the rear, all with 265/60/18 tyres.

[LRD414]

I'll be ordering some GOE rims soon and the big decision is whether to get 4, 5, or 6 rims.

In the context of all the other things I'd like to buy for the car, my preferred option is to keep costs down by buying 4 GOE rims and carrying OEM 20" rims as spares. One spare for short trips, 2 spares for longer ones.

My main concern with this configuration is difference in tyre diameters and the potential problems that might cause. It's great to hear that you, Scott, haven't had any issues. Can anybody else comment on this from experience?

Steven, I bought 5 rims and only carry the OEM as a 2nd spare.
While the slight mismatch in overall diameter is small, I still didn't want to rely on that exclusively.
Not sure what tyre size you have on the 20" to compare overall diameter to 265/60/R18

Cheers,
Scott

PS .... good to see you back

[Smcconnell]

Hey Scott,

Physically I'm still in Mexico, but mentally I'm almost back in OZ. :D

Great video of you tackling the Big Red!


S_

[Babs]

You will kick yourself if you don't buy 5.

Even if you do minimal damage and plug up tyres you can retire one to be the spare, without having to buy new tyres.

My belief always, a set is 5

Cheers, Babs :D Sent from my iPhone using Forum Runner