Blown Puma Engine

[slackerwells]

Hey guys,
Unfortunately my defender left me stranded on the side of the road today, was driving up an incline on the highway at about 90-100km/hr and it blew a heap of black smoke, lost all power and a really loud knocking noise started in the engine. Got the NRMA out to check it out and they think its stuffed possibly a crankshaft or something and likely going to need a rebuild. Its been towed and is currently parked out the front of the mechanics waiting for them on Monday to have a look at it.

Has anyone had any similar experiences? Its a 2009 PUMA and only done about 115k kms.

If it is blown is it worth getting it rebuilt or am i better of to replace the engine completely? Anyone got any suggestions or ideas of $$'s involved.

Any advice is much appreciated.

Cheers,
Andrew

[Toxic_Avenger]

Oiling issue? There is a oil pump recall going on. Get someone to run your vin to see if it might have been affected

[slackerwells]

Cheers Toxic Avenger, it possibly could be, cause when we checked the oil after it had sat for a couple of hours there was hardly any in, none was leaking externally, it doesnt burn any, so im not sure where its gone, a good couple of litres seems to have vanished.

I'll get it checked out, if it has been recalled do you know if there is any chance of getting the repair works covered?

[filcar]

Oiling issue? There is a oil pump recall going on. Get someone to run your vin to see if it might have been affected
The oil pump issue is for 2012/13 2.2 motors

[Tomo]

Hey guys,
Unfortunately my defender left me stranded on the side of the road today, was driving up an incline on the highway at about 90-100km/hr and it blew a heap of black smoke, lost all power and a really loud knocking noise started in the engine. Got the NRMA out to check it out and they think its stuffed possibly a crankshaft or something and likely going to need a rebuild. Its been towed and is currently parked out the front of the mechanics waiting for them on Monday to have a look at it.

Has anyone had any similar experiences? Its a 2009 PUMA and only done about 115k kms.

If it is blown is it worth getting it rebuilt or am i better of to replace the engine completely? Anyone got any suggestions or ideas of $$'s involved.

Any advice is much appreciated.

Cheers,
Andrew

Black smoke is an indication of a fuel system problem.
It is likely to be the Exhaust Gas Recirculation Valve which has blocked or become stuck. This is what happened to me recently exactly the same symptoms

Good luck, keep us posted

[Toxic_Avenger]

I stand corrected.

[Dopey]

Vince, "Dockstrada" on here has an engine for sale on eBay for a reasonable price.
It is a 2.4TDCi, from a 2011 model 90 with approx 75,000kms on it.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=271919128959&globalID=EBAY-AU

He is asking $4000.00
Which is pretty reasonable priced compared to other engines that I have seen lately for sale in Australia.

Or you can get a brand new "stripped" engine from the UK, for a 2.4 TDCi (ZSD-424) for approx $5690.00 (not including postage).

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=181323224577&globalID=EBAY-GB

Or look up part Land Rover part number DA1182 for stripped engine prices for 2.4TDCi's from places like lrdirect and britpart and so on.

You can also get a later 2.2 version (ZSD-422), but it is not that compatible with the 2.4 electrics and a few other things that you have in your vehicle, there are a few changes to be made if putting in the later 2.2 engine and it's not really worth the hassle doing these changes.

Hope this helps,
Mike.

[scarry]

There was a recall for the oil jets that cool the piston skirts or something similar?

Maybe worth seeing if yours was in the recall and if it was done?

Here you go have a look through here.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/59261-defender-service-bulletins-messages-recalls-07-onwards.html

[MLD]

My 2cents, be careful thinking you can lob in a transit engine. The ZSD424 has modified oil galleries and other minor but important modifications to ensure the engine copes with side angles and its 4wd application.

My commiseration for the engine failure, sucks no matter what car you drive.

MLD

[slackerwells]

Vince, "Dockstrada" on here has an engine for sale on eBay for a reasonable price.
It is a 2.4TDCi, from a 2011 model 90 with approx 75,000kms on it.

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=271919128959&globalID=EBAY-AU

He is asking $4000.00
Which is pretty reasonable priced compared to other engines that I have seen lately for sale in Australia.

Or you can get a brand new "stripped" engine from the UK, for a 2.4 TDCi (ZSD-424) for approx $5690.00 (not including postage).

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=181323224577&globalID=EBAY-GB

Or look up part Land Rover part number DA1182 for stripped engine prices for 2.4TDCi's from places like lrdirect and britpart and so on.

You can also get a later 2.2 version (ZSD-422), but it is not that compatible with the 2.4 electrics and a few other things that you have in your vehicle, there are a few changes to be made if putting in the later 2.2 engine and it's not really worth the hassle doing these changes.

Hope this helps,
Mike.

Cheers for the info Mike. Much appreciated.
Thanks for the heads up guys. Will be able to find out how bad the damage is tomorrow, hopefully its not as bad as what im expecting!

[Dopey]

Just a heads up....

There are a number of special tools required for doing "proper" work on the 2.4 & 2.2 TDCi engines...

Ranging from special oil pump installation spacer tools, to special aligning spacers and fitting tools for the common rail injectors (which are absolutely critical to have installed correctly or they can cause massive damage and personal injury if not installed correctly, with the pressures that they run at).

Some of the specialist tools can be bought from the link below,

https://jlrequipment.service-solutions.com/en-GB/Pages/ItemListing.aspx?catID=322308

There are also specialist Ford tools that may be required for other engine work as well.

Not all workshops will have these tools required (or even know that they should be utilised).

Regards,
Mike.

[Brid]

The black smoke & knocking noise may indicate an injector sticking open too long. That may have put it in limp mode, unless something catastrophic happened.

Just saying there might be a bit of hope & worth exploring that before scrapping the engine.

[slackerwells]

The black smoke & knocking noise may indicate an injector sticking open too long. That may have put it in limp mode, unless something catastrophic happened.

Just saying there might be a bit of hope & worth exploring that before scrapping the engine.

Brid thanks for the heads up. The guys finally go to have a look at it today and a couple of the injectors had come loose! so thankfully it will be a relatively straight forward fix and there doesnt appear to be any significant damage to the engine.

Must admit i was very happy when i got that news today!

[PAT303]

Well I'm disappointed,what an anti climax :twisted:. Pat

[Dopey]

Well I guess that's good news, although I'm wondering what happened to the missing oil?

Just on the injectors, if they are loose, they then run the potential to vibrate and crack the high pressure fuel lines that feed them.

This is something that can be very damaging.
I have seen first hand the damage that can occur when the correct methodology for working on these engines is not followed, it is not pretty.

When tightening the injectors, you (or the workshop) should be using an alignment bar and an adjustable clamp to hold the injectors in place to prevent movement and misalignment of the fuel lines while tightening.

Part numbers are: 303-678 & 303-711.

Regards,
Mike.