2014 DEFENDER ISSUES

[Dobby]

Is it just me or is this normal for an almost new Defender 110?


I purchased a brand new 2014 Defender 110 just shy of 12 months ago. I had a few extra's put on at the time of purchase including a long range tank, heavy duty tow bar, bull bar and roof rack.


I have only put on a touch over 18,000km on it thus far and since the time I purchased it I have had the following issues-


1. Leak in fuel line from long range tank (not a Land Rover part, but installed by the dealership).


2. Fault with blue tooth and CD player resulting in the system being replaced.


3. Fault with the wiring up of the trailer connection which resulted in brake lights coming on when you indicate etc


4. I'm on my third steering box. The first one leaked, it's replacement was faulty and the third one seems to be going okay (finally).


5. The Engine Malfunction warning light came on yesterday. I have been told by the dealership that it's ok to drive the 100 odd kilometers for them to have a look at it this Wednesday??


It seems to me that I've bought a 'lemon'. The truck drives really well when it's going and I love driving it, but it's concerning that these issues are occurring and I'm starting to wonder about the reliability of it. I haven't taken it off road yet, but was hoping to start doing a few trips. As I said to the dealership, it's just as well the engine malfunction light came on 5km out of town and not 300km out of Alice Springs!!

[mickygee]

Not a Lemon, this is just the way they are. for the next 3yrs after you buy one new its is a partnership between you and the dealer to correct all the faults these cars have built-in or added to by the assemblers! learn all you can about the known faults from the web - i believe everyone of them is covered , and do what you can in preventative maintenance (like greasing the axle flanges). all new cars come with with some faults, some more than others but defenders are comparatively easy and inexpensive to fix.

[Tombie]

Is it just me or is this normal for an almost new Defender 110?


I purchased a brand new 2014 Defender 110 just shy of 12 months ago. I had a few extra's put on at the time of purchase including a long range tank, heavy duty tow bar, bull bar and roof rack.


I have only put on a touch over 18,000km on it thus far and since the time I purchased it I have had the following issues-


1. Leak in fuel line from long range tank (not a Land Rover part, but installed by the dealership).

So, not a Lemon fault but an installer detail issue.

2. Fault with blue tooth and CD player resulting in the system being replaced.

A 3rd party supplied unit - Hardly blame LR for an Alpine issue.
Electronics fail at times... This is hardly predictable.

3. Fault with the wiring up of the trailer connection which resulted in brake lights coming on when you indicate etc

Again an installer issue.

4. I'm on my third steering box. The first one leaked, it's replacement was faulty and the third one seems to be going okay (finally).

OK, so one fault so far that is a factory problem.

5. The Engine Malfunction warning light came on yesterday. I have been told by the dealership that it's ok to drive the 100 odd kilometers for them to have a look at it this Wednesday??

Likely and EGR issue, these can happen. Nothing too serious.

It seems to me that I've bought a 'lemon'. The truck drives really well when it's going and I love driving it, but it's concerning that these issues are occurring and I'm starting to wonder about the reliability of it. I haven't taken it off road yet, but was hoping to start doing a few trips. As I said to the dealership, it's just as well the engine malfunction light came on 5km out of town and not 300km out of Alice Springs!!

So far you havent had any show stoppers, a MIL is hardly grounds to panic - and the vehicle would likely have taken you where ever you needed.

[ozy013]

As I said to the dealership, it's just as well the engine malfunction light came on 5km out of town and not 300km out of Alice Springs!!

There is a dealer in The Alice, Sutton Motors, up on Smith st.

Exactly as Tombie stated, most of your faults seem to be third party or installer related issues.

I would hardly call your Defender a lemon. Yes there are issues, recalls etc all of which you can read about here or DEFENDER2.NET - Index (http://www.defender2.net/forum/index.php). But unlike many manufacturer's, Land Rover are pretty good at fixing faults within the warranty period, with very little fuss. Plus you'll soon be on first name basis with your local service manager :D.

If you love driving it, then really that's all that matters, just go with the flow, learn all you can, and enjoy the ride.

[AndyG]

18,000 km and haven't been off road:o no wonder it's sulking and having a few hissiy fits.

Got mine, 5000 km and 3 weeks later it had done the Birdsville and Stezleki, ;) , maybe black wasn't such a great color after all :angel:

[Mjt084]

I've had my 2014 Defender about 12mths now and it hasn't missed a beet!

Just notched up 14000km today.

[Pocket Rocket]

We have a 13 month old 110 and have had a few issues but none that we would say are deal breakers.

Regards to problems with after market accessories, after the experience of spending a lot of money on an Izusu DMax at a 4wd shop and having to take it back time and time again to fix issues, we decided that this time we would not let anyone touch our Defender and have done all the work ourselves.

So far we've installed a bullbar, light guards, underbody protection, drawers, driving lights, headlight relay upgrade, spotties, light bar, reversing light, dual battery system, rear wheel carrier and a brake controller.

My motto is if you want a job done properly do it yourself. The care factor is greater.

[Pocket Rocket]

So far you havent had any show stoppers, a MIL is hardly grounds to panic - and the vehicle would likely have taken you where ever you needed.

Tombie what does MIL stand for? On other forums MIL means Mother In Law but I can't work out how that is hardly grounds to panic (unless she's in the Deefer).

[LR V8]

Hi Dobby. It sounds like your dealer has been taking care of these issues well. Although frustrating, looking at a 'glass half full' perspective, she's getting sorted and should work out to be a nice puma.

Good luck with the latest issue and let us know how it goes 😊

I have a mate in Canberra that had a 'structural issue' with his new puma with 10k on the clock. He was offered: 1) a fix, 2) a refund, or 3) a new puma.... as you would expect, he took option 3 :p and they gave him a D4 to drive until the puma turns up (Dec ?).

Sometimes '**** happens' and it's the way the dealer handles it which makes the difference.

Cheers,

Pete

[MrLandy]

Hi Dobby. It sounds like your dealer has been taking care of these issues well. Although frustrating, looking at a 'glass half full' perspective, she's getting sorted and should work out to be a nice puma.

Good luck with the latest issue and let us know how it goes 😊

I have a mate in Canberra that had a 'structural issue' with his new puma with 10k on the clock. He was offered: 1) a fix, 2) a refund, or 3) a new puma.... as you would expect, he took option 3 :p and they gave him a D4 to drive until the puma turns up (Dec ?).

Sometimes '**** happens' and it's the way the dealer handles it which makes the difference.


Cheers,

Pete

Are you able to say what the structural issue was?

[LR V8]

Something to do with the B pillar. Not chassis related as far as I know.

[YOLO110]

I've had my 2014 Defender about 12mths now and it hasn't missed a beet!

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/07/1088.jpg

[Tombie]

Tombie what does MIL stand for? On other forums MIL means Mother In Law but I can't work out how that is hardly grounds to panic (unless she's in the Deefer).

Malfunction Indicator Lamp (Check Engine Light) :angel:

If there was a Mother In Law light that warned me of her impending arrival, that too would be handy... :wasntme:

[MLD]

Malfunction Indicator Lamp (Check Engine Light)

Adding to this post, a fault code reader with a clear codes function is a handy tool to keep with you. You can get fancy ones and cheaper ones. I went with Scan Gauge. If your Engine Check light comes on, pull over, turn off engine, turn on ignition, clear code, start engine and proceed on your way. My engine check light comes on from time to time with no rhyme or reason. i've not noticed any change in performance if you drive with it on. Gotta love the EGR valve, such a stupid engineering idea.

The engine check light 99% of the time is electrical fault triggered.

MLD

[Pickles2]

As the question suggests, I know very little (nothing) about the function of an "EGR Valve".
So could someone please explain its function to me, what it is, what it looks like, what it's supposed to do, & why some disable it when having a remap, and if it is disabled, is it left open or shut, and what are the risks to the engine?
Thanks, Pickles.

[PAT303]

The EGR redirects exhaust gas back through the combustion cycle which lowers the temps enough so that NOX,the naughty part of the emissions that kills baby seals is reduced,manufacturers also had the engines inject diesel on the exhaust stroke to ''burn'' off harmful emissions that also kill baby seals but the diesel doesn't burn cleanly so soot replaced the NOX,so manufacturers then fitted particulate filters that injected more diesel down the exhaust to burn off the ''dirty'' soot,the type that kills baby seals but standards got tighter so even that isn't enough so know they fit injectors that injects wee wee into the exhaust that reacts with the harmful emissions,the type the kills baby seals so we are left with engines that eat their own poo,inject more food in to help eat more poo and then finish off with a drink of wee,but you will sleep soundly at nigh knowing the baby seals are safe,that is until they lie on the beach and are eaten by orca's. Pat

[Dopey]

The EGR redirects exhaust gas back through the combustion cycle which lowers the temps enough so that NOX,the naughty part of the emissions that kills baby seals is reduced,manufacturers also had the engines inject diesel on the exhaust stroke to ''burn'' off harmful emissions that also kill baby seals but the diesel doesn't burn cleanly so soot replaced the NOX,so manufacturers then fitted particulate filters that injected more diesel down the exhaust to burn off the ''dirty'' soot,the type that kills baby seals but standards got tighter so even that isn't enough so know they fit injectors that injects wee wee into the exhaust that reacts with the harmful emissions,the type the kills baby seals so we are left with engines that eat their own poo,inject more food in to help eat more poo and then finish off with a drink of wee,but you will sleep soundly at nigh knowing the baby seals are safe,that is until they lie on the beach and are eaten by orca's. Pat

Pat303,
That is the best and most informative response to a question that I have seen on here in a while!
I like it!

Mike.

[AndyG]

The EGR redirects exhaust gas back through the combustion cycle which lowers the temps enough so that NOX,the naughty part of the emissions that kills baby seals is reduced,manufacturers also had the engines inject diesel on the exhaust stroke to ''burn'' off harmful emissions that also kill baby seals but the diesel doesn't burn cleanly so soot replaced the NOX,so manufacturers then fitted particulate filters that injected more diesel down the exhaust to burn off the ''dirty'' soot,the type that kills baby seals but standards got tighter so even that isn't enough so know they fit injectors that injects wee wee into the exhaust that reacts with the harmful emissions,the type the kills baby seals so we are left with engines that eat their own poo,inject more food in to help eat more poo and then finish off with a drink of wee,but you will sleep soundly at nigh knowing the baby seals are safe,that is until they lie on the beach and are eaten by orca's. Pat

I hate baby seals now :p all this time I have been blaming Bilbies

[YOLO110]

... but you will sleep soundly at nigh knowing the baby seals are safe,that is until they lie on the beach and are eaten by orca's. Pat

Brilliant explanation!

But to resolve that last issue, perhaps EU legislation will soon have Orcas fitted with an EGR too :D

[LR V8]

Solution found... just set the seals free ! :oops2:

http://youtu.be/HMnMgX7GiOA

[filcar]

Just to complete the story ...






https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mwBaUoRVJY

[YOLO110]

Brilliant! :D

[noyakfat]

I took delivery of a MY14 110 wagon in April 2014. I now have just under 24,000 km on the clock and have had a total of zero issues so far.

Let's hope it stays that way :)

[Pickles2]

The EGR redirects exhaust gas back through the combustion cycle which lowers the temps enough so that NOX,the naughty part of the emissions that kills baby seals is reduced,manufacturers also had the engines inject diesel on the exhaust stroke to ''burn'' off harmful emissions that also kill baby seals but the diesel doesn't burn cleanly so soot replaced the NOX,so manufacturers then fitted particulate filters that injected more diesel down the exhaust to burn off the ''dirty'' soot,the type that kills baby seals but standards got tighter so even that isn't enough so know they fit injectors that injects wee wee into the exhaust that reacts with the harmful emissions,the type the kills baby seals so we are left with engines that eat their own poo,inject more food in to help eat more poo and then finish off with a drink of wee,but you will sleep soundly at nigh knowing the baby seals are safe,that is until they lie on the beach and are eaten by orca's. Pat
Fair enough Pat, but in terms of the balance of my question, why do owners disable it, and are there any dangers in doing so?
Pickles.

[PAT303]

They disable it because it's been proven without question that engines run better without them,the sluggish hesitant traits of many engines are caused by the EGR. Pat

[Pickles2]

Thanks, Like a lot of "anti-pollution" stuff,...I can understand that.
Finally, are there said to be any "dangers", or anything of a negative nature that could occur to the engine, that could be attributed to this, in any operating circumstance?
I did say I was "mechanically hopeless"! Pickles.

[PAT303]

By disconnecting it all you are doing is making the engine the same as any other pre 2000 or so diesel engine,going off the experience of the Td5 which was the first LR engine to have an EGR and the first to be disconnected it'll pull harder,get better economy,run smoother and in pretty much every sense be better. Pat

[tact]

just recently bought into a BAS remap primarily to disable the EGR after reading for months many stories related to how the normal means (blank it off) don't work so well on the TDCis.

Exchanged emails with Pete Bell about this how his remap might get me to where I want to go (EGR always closed and no MIL lights or other issues).

An interesting comment he made at one stage was that the TDCi ECU does make "emergency" calls to the EGR (to open up) to protect the engine (my assumptions: by lowering power output & combustion (?) temperature when it is deemed such action is needed.)

Thus a benefit of (his) remap is that in normal operation the remap may call for 0% EGR open. However if a critical situation arises and the ECU wants to deal with it by opening the EGR to lower power output and combustion temps - it still can.

Sounds pretty reasonable and sensible to me.

[PAT303]

^^^ The reason BAS and Alive are so highly rated,I bet the chip makers don't have that. Pat

[Beery]

just recently bought into a BAS remap primarily to disable the EGR after reading for months many stories related to how the normal means (blank it off) don't work so well on the TDCis.

Exchanged emails with Pete Bell about this how his remap might get me to where I want to go (EGR always closed and no MIL lights or other issues).

An interesting comment he made at one stage was that the TDCi ECU does make "emergency" calls to the EGR (to open up) to protect the engine (my assumptions: by lowering power output & combustion (?) temperature when it is deemed such action is needed.)

Thus a benefit of (his) remap is that in normal operation the remap may call for 0% EGR open. However if a critical situation arises and the ECU wants to deal with it by opening the EGR to lower power output and combustion temps - it still can.

Sounds pretty reasonable and sensible to me.

In Malaysia you could probably change to a warm climate thermostat too, if you so wished.
With the extra power coming from the remap it'd give you a bit more of a safety margin under high throttle.
Its on my list for the not-too-distant future.

[Didge]

By disconnecting it all you are doing is making the engine the same as any other pre 2000 or so diesel engine,going off the experience of the Td5 which was the first LR engine to have an EGR and the first to be disconnected it'll pull harder,get better economy,run smoother and in pretty much every sense be better. Pat

Ahah - so that's why my 300Tdi is so quick!

And bugger me, I thought MIL was just a typo missing the F

The beetroot picture reminds me of a joke - you know the one that includes the egg? :)

[1nando]

Land rovers are built by people and as result have their issues.
The 3 year warranty period is for sorting them out. Build a relationship with your dealer and get them sorted.
I've had 3 rear diffs, a gearbox, a clutch, output shaft, shims, front prop shaft all sorted under warranty.
I almost sold my car to buy a troopy. It was when I found AULRO and took the advice of people like Pat303 and blackrangie that I decided not too. I couldn't be happier now. My car is sorted (touch wood) and it's better to drive than when I first bought it.




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[PAT303]

The thing I don't get is the Land Rover ''Mechanics'' had to remove the flogged out axle flanges to replace the diff,three times. Pat

[1nando]

The thing I don't get is the Land Rover ''Mechanics'' had to remove the flogged out axle flanges to replace the diff,three times. Pat

Lol....I got a whole bunch of new gear out of that........including rear axle flanges

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[Didge]

BUT it shouldn't be like that which is why I'd never buy a brand new Defender - I'll buy a second hand one someone else has sorted out :)

[Pocket Rocket]

BUT it shouldn't be like that which is why I'd never buy a brand new Defender - I'll buy a second hand one someone else has sorted out :)

All good in theory but what if all the issues haven't come to light in the warranty period? Then you have to pay for it all yourself. Also, a lot of problems with new cars that people complain about are within the after market or in the fitting of the after market accessories.

Problem can be solved by fitting the after market accessories yourself

[Didge]

Hi PR, basically my sentiments are that we, as LR devotees, shouldn't be making excuses for the manufacturer. The cars aren't cheap (neither is the Jap crap) but everyone here seems to be saying "yeah, they're made by people and people make mistakes, blah, blah, blah" but in a competitive world LR should have, if they want to stay alive and thrive, addressed all the design ERRORS and manufacturing DEFECTS a hell of a long time ago and not displayed the arrogance that they have in expecting the faithful to just cop it on the chin and discover, maybe by chance, the shortcomings in the design and production processes that LR employ. This forum is littered like a tip, with anecdotes of problems for which LR suggest deplorable band aid solutions, rather than addressing the root cause before the cars hit the showroom floor.
I'd like to hear a valid, plausible reason why LR can't produce a vehicle that is manufactured to the same standards as a BMW or Merc. Don't use $$$, cos the Discos aren't, by any means cheap .
cheers Gerald

[tact]

Land rovers are built by people and as result have their issues.
The 3 year warranty period is for sorting them out. Build a relationship with your dealer and get them sorted.

This concept - don't worry about issues, by end of warranty it'll be a good vehicle. PLUS - comments I read saying that, unlike some other manufacturers, LR don't argue warranty claims. Together these two things got me across the line to buy a brand new Defender.

It was enough to get me past all the crap I had picked up about Land Rovers being unreliable vehicles.

So far it's working for me. Only a few minor issues have arisen for warranty claims. (I do pity those afflicted big time - multiple diffs, gearboxes, etc)

[Primalanton]

That is so sick! I love it!

[Primalanton]

I mean set the seals free.

[MrLandy]

Hi PR, basically my sentiments are that we, as LR devotees, shouldn't be making excuses for the manufacturer. The cars aren't cheap (neither is the Jap crap) but everyone here seems to be saying "yeah, they're made by people and people make mistakes, blah, blah, blah" but in a competitive world LR should have, if they want to stay alive and thrive, addressed all the design ERRORS and manufacturing DEFECTS a hell of a long time ago and not displayed the arrogance that they have in expecting the faithful to just cop it on the chin and discover, maybe by chance, the shortcomings in the design and production processes that LR employ. This forum is littered like a tip, with anecdotes of problems for which LR suggest deplorable band aid solutions, rather than addressing the root cause before the cars hit the showroom floor.
I'd like to hear a valid, plausible reason why LR can't produce a vehicle that is manufactured to the same standards as a BMW or Merc. Don't use $$$, cos the Discos aren't, by any means cheap .
cheers Gerald

Exactly Didge. If Land Rover had been less arrogant about quality control and customer service since the 80's, Defender would still be the vehicle of choice right across working Australia and a redesigned version would already be here.

[tact]

The grass is greener?

[MrLandy]

Land Rover is still the 'Toyota recovery vehicle' :D ...isn't it?

[Didge]

Neil, I love my old Defender that is still easily on its first set of all round mechanicals; no new gearboxes, transfer case, diffs, motor and its still relatively young at 250,000km. I just can't comprehend why some people think it is in any way acceptable to need a new diff is normal after 20,000km. Now, whilst the new car owner may not think its acceptable, the design and marketing boffins at LR obviously have in the past because they appear to have downgraded from the strength of the Salisbury and old LR diffs to the newer Ford designs (yes, I stand to be corrected on that one - all hearsay and from memory). If anything, they should have looked to improve on the Salisbury reputation and looked at adding in front and rear diff locks as standard instead of letting the Japs romp away with the lions share of the market.
After the WW2, a fellow by the name of Edwards Deming took the concept of total quality control/ management to the USA car industry. "We don't need it" they replied because "we've got the car market sown up here at home". So he took it to the Japs who embraced it with open arms and have since dominated the car and vehicle markets - yes others are starting to encroach with cheaper prices and long warranties. Obviously, LR, to their own demise, adopted the same attitude as the Yanks. If LR can produce body panels for Discos and RR's that actually match each other and are dimensionally consistent across thousands of products, why don't they do the same for the workhorse of their product line?

[MrLandy]

Because they haven't been seriously interested in the workhorse market for many years now. All focus has been on the luxury urban markets. ...which is why I remain unconvinced that a 'new' model defender will be a workhorse. I fear it will be an FJ cruiser type nostalgia vehicle.

[tact]

Neil, I love my old Defender that is still easily on its first set of all round mechanicals; no new gearboxes, transfer case, diffs, motor and its still relatively young at 250,000km. I just can't comprehend why some people think it is in any way acceptable to need a new diff is normal after 20,000km. Now, whilst the new car owner may not think its acceptable, the design and marketing boffins at LR [...]

Hey Didge,

Thats a really good run you write up there about your vehicle. It goes against the "popular wisdom", right or wrong, that Landies are unreliable.

And I certainly don't disagree with you - people should not think it acceptable to need a new diff or gearbox after 20,000km.

Before I made my buying decision I did note there were examples just like your's, of people having good runs with new TDCi's. The belief that there would be no arguments about getting warranty work done, if it were needed, just made the risk acceptable (in my eyes). I'd still be pretty annoyed if I had to leave my vehicle with LR for several weeks because of some mechanical fail. So far, so good.

[MrLandy]

...I'll never part with my old Defender. 1998 Tdi 320,000 km, all original engine,gearbox,diffs, etc. despite years of hard work in remote central and northern Australia. The interior is perennially red dust in the corners, aircon gone long ago and all pretty rattly now and noisy for long runs, hence my 2014 Defender, which is just as awesome so far, touchwood. I wouldn't drive anything else.

[Didge]

I'm secretly plotting to maybe jump into a new (read current) Defender when some people jump into the new one - in whatever guise it comes. People will do that so I'm hoping to pounce :D

[tact]

I'm secretly plotting to maybe jump into a new (read current) Defender when some people jump into the new one - in whatever guise it comes. People will do that so I'm hoping to pounce :D

Haha that's probably the go! Let the first owner take it through any warranty pain, then when it's all sorted, just out of warranty, and the first owner wants to sell off to get the "new" 2018/19 defender.....scoop that low mileage 2014/15 model up!

Not for me though. Am pretty much decided that my 2013 dual cab is the last vehicle I will ever buy (for myself)

[MrLandy]

I'm secretly plotting to maybe jump into a new (read current) Defender when some people jump into the new one - in whatever guise it comes. People will do that so I'm hoping to pounce :D

Oh Didge, I like your confidence, but I would be a bit worried about prices of current model Defenders in 3 years time...already there are Defenders with 100,000K on the clock being advertised for $50,000+! I think your tactic might work if the new model is AWESOME, but if it's a nostalgia city vehicle they come up with I reckon current models will keep rising in price. I jumped for a 2014 model at a great price for this reason. ...Of course it's hard to know how long the price spike will last and I would be happy to be proven wrong!

[Pocket Rocket]

Am pretty much decided that my 2013 dual cab is the last vehicle I will ever buy (for myself)

That's what I plan to do with my 2015 90. I know there may be issues but I see it as a long term investment.

[Didge]

tact and MrLandy - we'll just keep that on the quiet eh? Don't want too many people to cotton on :D
Yep MrLandy -$$$$ will be the deciding factor. I might have to keep driving the old 300Tdi and keep kidding myself that it's for nostalgic and sentimental value.
Well, I think all of us are hoping they don't sell out to the soft option of glammed up school and soccer mum buses (they've got discos and freelanders for that).LR reckon it's gonna be their toughest car yet (fingers crossed).

[MrLandy]

Sure didge I hear you 😉 ...I still love driving my 300tdi, it's lighter somehow, and more straightforward.

Hope their right about toughness!

[spudfan]

In 2008 when I went for a new Puma there were two things that helped me make the decision to buy one.
The first thing I did was to check on line to find out how this new Defender was doing reliability wise. To do this I searched within the following paramaters -"Land Rover Defender Puma reliability issues Australia." I did this as I figured that if anyone could find any reliability issues with the new model it would be people who use it to do serious things in difficult situations. That is how I came across this site.
Once here I found people prepared to load up and head out into deserts with this new vehicle. Also maindealers who were hundreds of kilometres away. So I figured that if it was good enough for you lot, it was good enough for me. Sadly the day I bought it, it was stolen. The wife took a test drive and claimed it for herself, leaving me with the 16 year old tdi.
In 2011 the tdi was finally retired when the second Puma arrived. I was well and truly smitten with the Puma.
The other factor that swayed me in the direction of a Puma was a three year warranty. This was the icing on the cake as far as a Defender was concerned. Definitely enough time to get any teething issues sorted (dealer dependent of course !!)
I had the familiar things done under warranty but three years after the warranty expired I had an engine change with Land Rover picking up the lions share of the cost, so I can't complain there.
I'm happy with the Puma but as it is so easy to drive and live with I do feel a bit of a fraud. I like to think of myself as a true blue Land Rover man. First car was a 90 turbo diesel which was the family car for six years. Next up was a 200 tdi 110 which was the family car for 16 years. My wife learned how to drive in it and passed her test first time in it. She thought it was terrific until she bagged the 2008 Puma. Living with a turbo diesel or a tdi made one feel "special" especially on long journeys. Little do people know when they see me or the wife in the Puma how civilised and how downright "unDefender like" it really is.
So when the replacement Defender comes along I'll be scanning these pages to find out what the general concensus is on it and it's capabilities.
Then there will be the seven year warranty to consider and add to the equation.

[PAT303]

Sure didge I hear you 😉 ...I still love driving my 300tdi, it's lighter somehow, and more straightforward.

Hope their right about toughness!

''Sigh'' all this Tdi's are the best,how long have you been around Tdi's?,have you had yours from new?,you have nothing but negative comments about the TDCi but the Tdi is the second coming.You seem to forget many of us rose through the ranks and have fond memories of early Tdi ownership,trust me,the ''problems'' the TDCi has is nothing compared to the Tdi,the Tdi only got to were it is because it was allowed to mature as a design,the Td5 having a short production run is even worse off,the TDCi is light years ahead of both.If changing four $30 axle flanges is a big issue for you lucky you got into the game late. Pat

[cuppabillytea]

I'm secretly plotting to maybe jump into a new (read current) Defender when some people jump into the new one - in whatever guise it comes. People will do that so I'm hoping to pounce :D
Good luck with that Didge I'm keeping mine.:twisted:

[EastFreo]

No way I will be parting with mine. Mind you today I had a close call driving through Manjimup. A woman in a Chysler sedan just ignored all road rules and didn't give way to me on the roundabout heading south out of town. Worst of all she then screeched to a halt straight in front of me.

Discovered the brakes on a 2015 110 work well. Abs kicked in and I must have halted maybe six inches from her side window. Let say she had a slightly panicked look with my a frame bar sitting inches from her face.

[tact]

[...]Discovered the brakes on a 2015 110 work well. Abs kicked in and I must have halted maybe six inches from her side window. Let say she had a slightly panicked look with my a frame bar sitting inches from her face.

Whaoah! Good save there, EastFreo!

[Pocket Rocket]

No way I will be parting with mine.

Quite funny how people actually think that after going through the teething stage with a Deefer that we're going to go and sell it!

[PAT303]

I think it's funny how people complain about having to spend $140 on axle flanges before driving around Oz when all the other brands need GVM/Suspension upgrades costing thousands. Pat

[DiscoMick]

I'm secretly plotting to maybe jump into a new (read current) Defender when some people jump into the new one - in whatever guise it comes. People will do that so I'm hoping to pounce :D

Prices of the Defender TDCIs are already rising in the UK, according to Land Rover Owner International. Well-kept ones are likely to maintain their value for some time, it appears.

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