Tyre on bonnet

[crump]

Has anyone mounted their spare on the bonnet of their late model defender, if so, how?

[sclarke]

Originally posted by crump
Has anyone mounted their spare on the bonnet of their late model defender, if so, how?

Big Boppa..... Ahhhh Yes love that quote..... And the Stuffed XB....

"Whats that?"................. "It's a get of Jail free Card"

Now for those Trivia Buffs........
What pub out of that movie was used??

Hint. They named a Band after that town and i lived behind the Pub in the 90's

I love Driving around that area and seeing the roads and Bridges they used....

[Rosco]

Originally posted by sclarke+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sclarke)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-crump
Has anyone mounted their spare on the bonnet of their late model defender, if so, how?

Big Boppa..... Ahhhh Yes love that quote..... And the Stuffed XB....

"Whats that?"................. "It's a get of Jail free Card"

Now for those Trivia Buffs........
What pub out of that movie was used??

Hint. They named a Band after that town and i lived behind the Pub in the 90's

I love Driving around that area and seeing the roads and Bridges they used....[/b][/quote]

Notwithstanding SClarke Esq's verbal peregrinations style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

The short answer is NO it can't be done , unless you don't mind stuffing a perfectly good bonnet in the process.

They were not designed for it and aren't up to the job. I've seen one or two around the traps where they've tried it and they end up in a heluva mess.

Cheers

[seqfisho]

Originally posted by sclarke


Big Boppa..... Ahhhh Yes love that quote..... And the Stuffed XB....

"Whats that?"................. "It's a get of Jail free Card"

Now for those Trivia Buffs........
What pub out of that movie was used??

Hint. They named a Band after that town and i lived behind the Pub in the 90's

I love Driving around that area and seeing the roads and Bridges they used....

Steve,

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%">I think its time to increase your dosage </span>:roll:











Are we talkin Mad Max and Silverton ?????????


It was a fuzzy time of my life :roll: :roll: :wink: style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

Glen.

[sclarke]

Mad Max is the Answer.

Mad Max 1 was Filmed in Little River.
The Hotel is still there, but the new one is next it. Old one is Now a House.

When the Goose gives the Guy in the Trike the "Get out of Jail free card" you can see the Ruins of the 1st Hotel of Little River. Those Ruins are still there and on the Geelong Side of the "Little River"

On Old Melbourne Road there is a Crest on the Hill. This is the Crest that the "Night Rider" crashed the interceptor HQ Coupe he stole.

And that crest at 180kmh is very exciting......

Anyone up for a Mad Max Tour to see where it was all filmed??

Mmmm i could run a tour company.....

Time for the medication.....

[JamesH]

I have a bonnet mount on my Defender and as a matter of fact I put the 2nd spare on last night in preparation for my month up north commencing this coming weekend.

You can obviously use a bonnet mount but I (or more precisely previous owner) had the full upgrade done on it. Put in extra supports and various mods etc.

My experience with it which is now extensive is that I am in favour because it has allowed me to travel with two spares without need for roof rack. It also looks like a Land Rover should. I looked at it this morning and it definitely has its "game face on" or perhaps a more appropriate term would be "battle dress". Having said that, it comes off as soon as I get back to town and go back to one spare.

Downsides: I believe it effects fuel economy (compared to roof rack maybe not so bad) and vision. Also changes the feel of the handling quite a bit. Not worse exactly but definitely different. I'd say it increases wear on front shocks and springs but be how much I don't know.

I don't like swing away rear doors and carry Spare No 1 in the cargo area. I think sooner or later I am going to have to work through this issue though. It's a pia there and not safe either.

[CraigE]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Mad Max is the Answer.

Mad Max 1 was Filmed in Little River.
The Hotel is still there, but the new one is next it. Old one is Now a House.

When the Goose gives the Guy in the Trike the "Get out of Jail free card" you can see the Ruins of the 1st Hotel of Little River. Those Ruins are still there and on the Geelong Side of the "Little River"

On Old Melbourne Road there is a Crest on the Hill. This is the Crest that the "Night Rider" crashed the interceptor HQ Coupe he stole.

And that crest at 180kmh is very exciting......

Anyone up for a Mad Max Tour to see where it was all filmed??

Mmmm i could run a tour company.....

Time for the medication.....
[/b][/quote]
A Mad Max tour now that would be cool. Actually got to sit in one of the XB interceptors used in the original movie some years back, was doing the rounds of the local shows and expos. There was even a guy over here who built a coupe up to imitate the original Mad Max Coupe. Iam actually watching Mad Max 1 tonight (boring night shift) in an hours time or so for about the 150th time. Nearly went to live around Little River about 4 years ago but the job would not pay enough. Now if we could do the tour and get some of the toys to play with. I think they should include some rovers in the upcoming Mad Max 4.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

just fit a bonnet off a 130......

[LandyAndy]

Hi James
Wait till you do some "Harvey Style" offroading with it on the bonnet,they cause an awful blind spot where you are trying to pick your line through the rough.
Goodluck on your Broome trip. 8) 8) 8)

Andrew

[rick130]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>just fit a bonnet off a 130......
[/b][/quote]

????? :?

[DEFENDERZOOK]

Originally posted by rick130
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>just fit a bonnet off a 130......


????? :?[/b][/quote]

<span style="color:blue">
have you met vlads pride and joy....Doris?

sneak up when he is not looking and swap bonnets.....just sit the spare back on top so he wont notice......well not until the first corner anyway.....</span>

http://www.aulro.com/albums/album62/defender_doris_web1.thumb.jpg

[weeds]

My 95 has a spare on the bonnet, I have not looked closely at the setup, the previous owner has travelled all over the country side and ut seems to be OK. I currently have the second spare on the roof rack, would love a swing away carrier for our simpson trip in Sept. I will have a close look tonight.

[Tusker]

I enquired when I bought my car, & was told the bonnet mount was no longer an option with TD5s. All the bonnet reinforcing struts have been removed to shoehorn the TD5 in.

Regards
Max P

[VladTepes]

So presumably even with chequerplate you can't wstand on the things either.

[JamesH]

I didn't know that the TD5 engine led to the loss of the bonnet mount capability. I wonder what the Ford Transit engine change will mean. Usually when these things go, they go forever.

[UncleHo]

The spare tyre probably doesn't meet current "Crumple Zone" Specifications style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">defender crumple zones are on the vehicle you hit and NOT in the defender....

if they had crumple zones they would then have air bags as well.....

mine only has a passenger side windbag.....</span>

[seqfisho]

[quote=DEFENDERZOOK]<span style="color:blue">defender crumple zones are on the vehicle you hit and NOT in the defender....



mine only has a passenger side windbag.....</span>


Funny Zook, very funny style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif


Glen.

[Reads90]

Can be done easy (as long as you don't have a massive trye and you are not a short A*se
But you need a differant bonnett as they are stronger to take the spare wheel. The you have a metal disc in the middle which clamps the tyres donwn on to the bonnett.
Can make a standard stronger by welding braces under the skin of the old bonnett, and thenbolting the disc on the top (which you can get from the dealer)
After all that is all the are

[VladTepes]

Where the heck is Eidsvold :?:

If it's anywhere near me you;re welcome yo have a look at the setup on mine to see how it works.

[one_iota]

Originally posted by rocket
The spare tyre probably doesn't meet current "Crumple Zone" Specifications style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

On the scent:

How much does a wheel weigh and what effect when it comes through the windscreen when you come to a sudden halt in a collision.

I suspect that momentum/inertia and Australian Design Rules might come into play here.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:green">they are factory fitted on landys.....

they are specifically designed to take a spare on the bonnet of the 130s as they do not have a back door to hang the wheel on...and they dont want it to take up valuable cargo space....

i would love to get my hands on a second bonnet for lurch....
the bonnet support is also a lot stronger to support all the extra weight when the bonnet is up....i dont know if they will take anything wider than the standard steel rims though....</span>

[rick130]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>they are specifically designed to take a spare on the bonnet of the 130s as they do not have a back door to hang the wheel on...and they dont want it to take up valuable cargo space....
[/b][/quote]

sorry Zook, but the bonnet on my 130 is exactly the same as a 110, a weak piece of $%#@.
The spare factory mounts in the left rear corner of a HICAP, (where mine is) or under/on the tray of a tray back.

If you want to mount a spare on the bonnet, you have to buy the corresponding re-inforcement kit, along with the wheel holder assembly thingy, which I've been cautioned against obtaining by friends in the NT as they destroy the bonnet and hinges pretty quickly on corrugated roads.

[JamesH]

Looking at the hooks which pass as hinges on my bonnet I see that one side sits higher than the other so it would indicate even with the support that some sort of damage has occured. It may be from somebody standing on it by the shirtload of corrugated roads it has travelled over with a spare on the bonnet.

Having said that the damage does not seem significant and let's face it panel fit in general is not exactly top drawer anyway. It was bought to prevent the spare destroying the back door. I think they are a better option than the standard rear door mount. The rear door lock **** itself anyway.

Anyway, looks sexy.

[VladTepes]

Mental note - if I ever get a different Landy - swap over the bonnet.

[JamesH]

Good point Vlad but that would mean I'd have to choose a white one and when/if I ever upgrade the 300Tdi I was hoping to get a non white one. Always fancied dark green with a white roof. Green Defender with white roof and bonnet would look - interesting - but the white Defender with a green bonnet....

It would be interesting if I was doing a trade in. I'd make my excuses and slip outside for a moment, come in sign the papers and hurriedly drive off. Alf Barbagello would look out his office window and see an old 300Tdi with a green bonnet on the forecourt.

**Alf sighs and scratches his head**

"I know I am making a squillion off these people but they are so weird sometimes I worry"

[Rosco]

Originally posted by JamesH
Always fancied dark green with a white roof.

White roofs have gone the way of tyres on bonnet
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">mine has a white roof.....</span>

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by JamesH
Good point Vlad but that would mean I'd have to choose a white one and when/if I ever upgrade the 300Tdi I was hoping to get a non white one. Always fancied dark green with a white roof. Green Defender with white roof and bonnet would look - interesting - but the white Defender with a green bonnet....


Have you mever heard of paint :?:

You can get it after-market now, too. style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

[one_iota]

Originally posted by Rosco+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rosco)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-JamesH
Always fancied dark green with a white roof.

White roofs have gone the way of tyres on bonnet
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:[/b][/quote]

White roofs are back:

http://www.landrover.com.au/au/en/Vehicles...ender%20110.htm (http://www.landrover.com.au/au/en/Vehicles/Defender/Models/Defender%20110.htm)

That's the bottom line :wink:

[Rosco]

Originally posted by one_iota+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(one_iota)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Rosco@
<!--QuoteBegin-JamesH
Always fancied dark green with a white roof.

White roofs have gone the way of tyres on bonnet
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

White roofs are back:

[/b][/quote]

But can you get one :?: :?:

They still mention 90's :?: :?:
Last I heard they were off all well. :wink:

[one_iota]

Originally posted by Rosco+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rosco)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by one_iota+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(one_iota)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Rosco@
<!--QuoteBegin-JamesH
Always fancied dark green with a white roof.

White roofs have gone the way of tyres on bonnet
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

White roofs are back:

[/b][/quote]

But can you get one :?: :?:

They still mention 90's :?: :?:
Last I heard they were off all well. :wink:[/b][/quote]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

I'd love to be able to place an order to prove it one way or the other.

I have seen recent Td5's Defenders with white roofs though.

The only way to get a Defender (xtremes no longer) is by order.

[Rosco]

Originally posted by one_iota+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(one_iota)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by Rosco+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Rosco)</div><div class='quotemain'>
Originally posted by one_iota
<!--QuoteBegin-Rosco@
<!--QuoteBegin-JamesH
Always fancied dark green with a white roof.

White roofs have gone the way of tyres on bonnet
:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

White roofs are back:



But can you get one :?: :?:

They still mention 90's :?: :?:
Last I heard they were off all well. :wink:[/b][/quote]

style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif

I'd love to be able to place an order to prove it one way or the other.

I have seen recent Td5's Defenders with white roofs though.

The only way to get a Defender (xtremes no longer) is by order.[/b][/quote]

It would be nice to get some feedback from the LRA ppls .......... somehow I doubt it though .....

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[CraigE]

4wd parts sell the bonnet and the spare tyre fittin mount. The bonnet should fit any LR Defender, 110, 90 etc. It is listed in their parts catalogue and I think is about $300 total dont quote me. Thsi was the re-enforced bonnet I believe.
www.landrovers.com.au

[p38arover]

Opposite Lock make one, too. Part no. SWC-LRDB $126.

I saw it at the 4WD Show in Sydney.

See http://www.oppositelock.com/detail.asp'dxd...id=7&ixkey=7069 (http://www.oppositelock.com/detail.asp'dxdeptid=7&cxcatid=7&ixkey=7069)

Ron

[LRHybrid100]

for the Sydneysiders, go down to Purnell Motors - there are plenty of new D110's in there getting prep'd before being sold.

Yes they have white roofs (only seen all white cars recently!!!) no Xtreme badges and black wheel arches.

LRH

[sclarke]

Will a series bonnet fit on a Defender???

[DaveS3]

Originally posted by sclarke
Will a series bonnet fit on a Defender???

Will probably fit the hinges but will be miles too short.
I didnt think the series bonnets had much plating / gusseting underneath so they may not be all that strong either.

Find a stage 1 bonnet, mine has heaps of plateing underneath, although they may fall afew inches short aswell.

Dave.

[sclarke]

I'll see what happens after i get the bonnet i'm getting with wheel carrier...

if need be i'll get another Fender Bonnet

[Dinty]

G'day All, the later model Defenders don't have spare tyre carrier fitted because they don't have the frame under the skin to support it and as rocket pointed out it probably doesn't come in with ADR's my 110 didn't have the tyre mount on the bonnet either (11/84 mod, but it did have the frame) I fitted a Series tyre carrier on the bonnet it was a relativley easy task it took about 3 hours cheers Dennis

[cols110]

Not sure if its true, but I remember reading in a thread a while ago on LRE, I cant find the thread, but I think it mentioned that the bonnet to engine clearance was less on the TD5 compared to the TDI, hence being the reason for them scrapping the extra under bonnet bracing and spare tyre mount.

Might pay to look into it.

[Dinty]

G'day All, came across a bonnet for 110's with the necessary tyre carrier on the bonnet, it has slight damage on the right front of the bonnet it is white in colour anyone interested pm me cheers Dennis

[VladTepes]

Mine's the same but with slight damage to th right rear (ie nearest the cab) due to obvious stress of a heavy tyre bouncing around on it for years. So even when they work, they are still not ideal. Much like the rear door hinge problem on the wagons....

[barney]

Originally posted by one_iota+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(one_iota)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-rocket
The spare tyre probably doesn't meet current "Crumple Zone" Specifications style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

On the scent:

How much does a wheel weigh and what effect when it comes through the windscreen when you come to a sudden halt in a collision.

I suspect that momentum/inertia and Australian Design Rules might come into play here.[/b][/quote]

Originally posted by one_iota+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(one_iota)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-rocket
The spare tyre probably doesn't meet current "Crumple Zone" Specifications style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

On the scent:

How much does a wheel weigh and what effect when it comes through the windscreen when you come to a sudden halt in a collision.

I suspect that momentum/inertia and Australian Design Rules might come into play here.[/b][/quote]
i don't know if this would be an issue, that is unless you are travelling in reverse very fast.
and i think you can get a conversion kit for the earlier defenders/110's, but don't forget one of the most important parts of the kit does not go on the bonnet, it is the bonnet catch spring, for a spare wheel bonnet, it is a heavier spring to handle the extra 40 odd kilos of spare.

[Slunnie]

Originally posted by cols110
Not sure if its true, but I remember reading in a thread a while ago on LRE, I cant find the thread, but I think it mentioned that the bonnet to engine clearance was less on the TD5 compared to the TDI, hence being the reason for them scrapping the extra under bonnet bracing and spare tyre mount.

Might pay to look into it.
Even on the Disco, the TD5 rubs on the bonnet noise deadening material.

[dham]

Factory bonnet wheel kit fitted to my 300Tdi 110 wagon worked fine for about 100,000 kms and then started cracking reinforcing struts and collapsing bonnet - so no more wheel on front! Like rear door, is not strong enough mount for prolonged dirt road use. Pity as is a great place for second spare and I have heard of people being protected by bonnet spare when cab crushed on rollover.

[disconut]

:?: What do the RTA think about wheels on bonnets?
Is it a notifiable modification on newer vehicles?
Vision and Safety issues?
Just a thought.
Trev.

[VladTepes]

Originally posted by disconut
:?: What do the RTA think about wheels on bonnets?
Is it a notifiable modification on newer vehicles?
Vision and Safety issues?
Just a thought.
Trev.

and a good thought at that style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[disconut]

OOPS! :oops: forgot the all important Insurance man.
Also if you run 265/70/16's better raise the seats.
Not a real good mod to do, nothing is in its favour.
Trev.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Originally posted by disconut
OOPS! :oops: forgot the all important Insurance man.
Also if you run 265/70/16's better raise the seats.
Not a real good mod to do, nothing is in its favour.
Trev.
The big thing in it's favour is if you're struggling for room it's a good thing. I agree it would play havoc with vision. You could never run with it around town.

[disconut]

I wouldn't think anyone with a 110 would struggle for room! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
Trev.

[Captain_Rightfoot]

Originally posted by disconut
I wouldn't think anyone with a 110 would struggle for room! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
Trev.
Don't you believe it 8O 8O

[Rosco]

Originally posted by disconut
OOPS! :oops: forgot the all important Insurance man.
Also if you run 265/70/16's better raise the seats.
Not a real good mod to do, nothing is in its favour.
Trev.

A quick side issue :?:

Can you run 265/75 on a bog standard 110 :?:

Cheers

[disconut]

[b]<span style="color:red">Can you run 265/75 on a bog standard 110?</span>

I believe you can. The rims can handle them also. (Coopers tyre table confirms this).
The real point is this, (S1 & II owners can probably confirm), the early cars ran lightweight skinny wheels by comparison, and had a spare mounted on the bonnet designed and built for the job.
Throwing a 7" alloy wheel shod with a modern "fat" tyre on a bonnet not designed to handle it, can and probably will, cause panel damage, legal and safety issues.

Maybe a Series owner will weigh a wheel for us for comparison?

Cheers,
Trev.

[VladTepes]

I've got some said original 5.5" Defender steel rims (if anyone wants 'em) but nothing to weigh them with. It was no trouble with one of these on the bennoet but as Trev says, a wider & heavier wheel would do damage and rewstrict vision.

Not to mention that a wide wheel on the bonnet would look crook aesthetically.

[disconut]

Hmmm! 5.5", now where is my old Morrie Minor? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif
Trev.

[VladTepes]

Width, ya goose :roll:

[disconut]

Correct!
5.5" must be close to a Morrie Minor rim in width.
Soooo Skinny!

Cheers.

[abaddonxi]

A tyre on the bonnet is all very well, but when I was a kid I'm sure it was a lion or a tiger.

Daktari!

[rick130]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>A tyre on the bonnet is all very well, but when I was a kid I'm sure it was a lion or a tiger.

Daktari![/b][/quote]

Psst, they used Jeeps in Daktari ! style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif

[abaddonxi]

Tell me it's not so.

I don't think I can change my preferences now, I'm too far into Land Rover territory.

[rick130]

The TV series definately used Jeeps, although the original movie used Rovers.
In the TV show they used Gladiator J2000 utes, and Officer Headley used a CJ6. I remember this very well as Dad had a Jeep Wagoneer and the very first car I bought was a '74 CJ6 (in '83).

Dear old Dad still hasn't forgiven me for buying a Landy. :wink:

[abaddonxi]

Well of course I must have been referring to the movie.

My memory is from a matchbox car or similar that my cousin had.

[camel_landy]

OK... I can't be arsed to read all the replies so appologies if I'm going over old ground here:

The later 'Fender bonnets are not designed to have the wheels mounted on them, they don't have the extra braces and are not strong enough. Your best bet would be to get an older style bonnet & swap it over.

That said, another option would be to use one of those chequer plate inserts to strengthen the area and then mount the carrier through that.

Mark

PS... I passed some more Mad Max stuff in Coober Pedy & on the road to Oodnadatta.