D3 TDV6 clunk, bang stop

[PeterOZ]

Well think karma has bitten me in the backside.

Fueled up this arvo after nearly running empty.

Drove off all ok. Turned into a side st near home. Was a bang, bit of a crunching noise then the motor stopped.

Was able to get it on side of road by the kern luckily.

Turns over but will not start.

No fault lights or anything in the display.

Yes it was diesel I filled up with. Checked the receipt. I always double check before filling up.

Did the ignition on off 6 times to auto bleed on advice of MR auto. No joy.

Any thoughts apart from jumping off a bridge which is a good option right now.

[90 Rangie]

Hope that it is not timing belt tensioner.
While turning key to start position get someone to hold down tyre valve at back of engine in fuel line to make sure you have prime.
Maybe hard reset, but do not like the noises you had so would be checking timing belt.

[Graeme]

The HP fuel pump belt should also be checked, not that I'd expect much of a bang if that belt simply broke.

[PeterOZ]

Timing belts and tensioner a were all done about 18 months ago so should not be those.

Engine would not turn over if it was the timing belt??

[90 Rangie]

Did they check you had the latest oil pump housing ?
It is the oil pump housing that is the problem.
Some still do wind over after this breaks, many reports of this.
I hope it is not this for your sake.

[PeterOZ]

Was advised I could or could not do the housing. Think it was additional $1200 and as I was pressed for cash I elected to not have that replaced.

I suspect that is what has let go.

[Fatso]

When researching prior to my belt change not one Indy or Stealer had heard of the oil pump problem , even though there was plenty of evidence in the uk and oz that there deffo was a problem . $1200 seems a bit steep as the oil pump itself is only a couple of hundred $ from memory and is not a biggy to fit as the access is easy when taking off old belts etc .
Any one coming up for a belt change should IMHO get the oil pump changed out when renewing timing belts in the 2007/8 and possibly 2009 yrs .

[PeterOZ]

I'm not sure if exact amount but it around that number.

I had a partner at the time who was totally $$$ fixated so spending another $1200 really set her off 😡
She is gone so don't have that annoyance.

They did advise to do it and I had read on here and disco3 site about it

Always wiser in retrospect. I just hope not too much other damage was caused.

Motor was turning over freely so guess that is encouraging.

Onto the tilt tray tues and wait to find out the $$$ so I can talk to the bank!!

[Fatso]

Motor turns over ok sounds encouraging , hopefully will be ok and only a fuel prob of some sort , good luck with it .

[Ean Austral]

When you say the motor turns, is this based on cranking with the key ?


My D1 cranked and cranked and cranked when the belt broke , just wouldn't fire , and if the engine hasn't seized on anything it will continue to do so.


Hope it is something as simple as its not good to keep hearing of this sort of thing.


Cheers Ean

[PeterOZ]

Thanks guys, appreciate the kind thoughts. I'm a bit sick in the guts over it as I do not have a lot of cash, failed marriage, child support, do the maths!

Any repairs means I have to go begging to the bank.

Yes it turns over with the key but does not fire which leads me to believe it is timing belt related.

Fingers crossed no other damage.

[~Rich~]

Yeah sounds like the rear timing belt, if it breaks the engine will stop but will still turn over just not start.
Hopefully this can be easy fix unless damage has been done to the housing/ pulleys or bolts.
If these are damaged quite often it's a body off job to do repairs.

[PeterOZ]

Tilt tray is booked for tomorrow morning and MR automotive will check it over.

BTW anyone looking for a good tilt tray service in Brisbane consider Wayne's towing. $145 to take it from near Graceville to Redcliffe. Have used him before.

Fingers and everything else crossed it is not too severe.

[rar110]

Good luck.

I know the feeling of anticipation of an expensive repair. Mine's been off the road for 2 mths now. Hopefully I'll have it back this week.

[PeterOZ]

thanks mate, it is rather nerve rattling considering just how quickly costs go through the roof on these things.

I'll know in a few days what I am up aainst though.

Hope you get yours back with no issues.

[PeterOZ]

thanks mate, it is rather nerve rattling considering just how quickly costs go through the roof on these things.

I'll know in a few days what I am up aainst though.

Hope you get yours back with no issues.



Well the D3 went to MR yesterday and they have assessed the damage. Engine is totally kaput! They were not sure of the cause without stripping down further but it sounds like it is the bracket on the oil pump housing that the tensioner attaches to that let go as they found that in the bottom of the bay along with all sort of assorted metal pieces.


2 options presented, one is a new long engine - you can guess the cost.


or a low km engine, 15,000km on the vehicle. It is from a territory but according to MR it is identical engine, they swap sump pan, engine mounts and couple of other minor mounts. It will then use my existing ECU etc. they have done a few of them so seem to know what they are on about.


I'm feeling very sick in the gut and did not sleep worrying about it all last night. Took day off work as a result.


Have to now see what m,y credit union will allow me to do.


stay tuned.


All I can say is that if you are getting timing belts done also get the upgraded housing. I am surprised it is not a recall item on them.

[rar110]

That's bad luck. So it was a bracket attached to housing rather than the oil pump housing itself? How many km? MR did your belts right?

At least it's with experienced people.

[SBD4]

have a word to Silver Surfer. He went through a swap to the ford engine and might be able to give you a heads up on any pitfalls to watch out for. Good luck!

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/214258-help-2012-engine-into-05-d3-issues-2-7-a.html

[jonesy63]

or a low km engine, 15,000km on the vehicle. It is from a territory but according to MR it is identical engine, they swap sump pan, engine mounts and couple of other minor mounts. It will then use my existing ECU etc. they have done a few of them so seem to know what they are on about.
Peter,
Is yours a MY07-or later D3? MY07 first came out in August 2006 - and they were the first to have the EuroIV fuel injection setup. The Territory shares that design - so no problems if yours is MY07-on.

There was another guy on here that his mechanic tried to put a Territory diesel motor into his EuroIII (MY04-MY06) D3 - and it was an expensive mistake.

Good luck!
Rob

[Graeme]

So it was a bracket attached to housing rather than the oil pump housing itself?Its the same item - the bracket is part of the housing that includes the oil pump.

Its an expensive outcome from the workshop not insisting that the housing be replaced when changing the belts.

[rar110]

Its the same item - the bracket is part of the housing that includes the oil pump. Its an expensive outcome from the workshop not insisting that the housing be replaced when changing the belts.

I thought upgrading the pump housing was standard practice on pre 09MY D3s when doing the timing belts. Or was it pre 08MY D3s?

[Ean Austral]

I thought upgrading the pump housing was standard practice on pre 09MY D3s when doing the timing belts. Or was it pre 08MY D3s?

Didn't the O/P say he was offered to change the housing when the belts were done from the service guys , but , money was tight and opted not to replace it.


The UK site has a list of vin # that seem to indicate when the new style housing was fitted, mine is 02/08 and falls in the bad vin # range:(.


Seems that you would be a brave person not to change the housing, but from what I read its engines that HAVE had the belt changed, so re-torqueing the pulley must weaken the housing.


Whatever the reason its not good.


Cheers Ean

[Dagilmo]

Conscious of thread hijacking but ?.

I've got an 05 but the motor was replaced prior to me buying. It was replaced with a new one from LD. Its about 2.5 years old. Can anyone tell me if I need to be worried or should it have the upgraded part? Also the the same question regarding the thermostat housing? Which was the part that failed in the original engine.

Thanks in advance.

David.

[rar110]

Conscious of thread hijacking but ?.

I've got an 05 but the motor was replaced prior to me buying. It was replaced with a new one from LD. Its about 2.5 years old. Can anyone tell me if I need to be worried or should it have the upgraded part? Also the the same question regarding the thermostat housing? Which was the part that failed in the original engine.

Thanks in advance.

David.

Im no expert on these vehicles but, I thought the problem with the oil pump housing occurred when the housing was removed to change timing belts and then refitted with not quite correct torque on bolts. The new housing is stronger to cope with over torqued bolts. So if is a new LR motor, no need to worry until you do the timing belts and then try to work out which oil pump housing you have.

[90 Rangie]

I got my belts done early as some do fail where the tensioner bolts to oil pump housing before belts are done. Mine is MY8.5 04-08 and was fine as it had new style of housing already fitted but do know some latter than mine that had old style fitted so can not go on vin. A lot of info on Ukdisco 3 site. You do not remove oil pump housing unless you need to change it. Sorry Pete that your problem was what I thought

[Graeme]

The housing does not get removed when replacing the belt but the (new) belt tensioner is bolted to a bracket that is part of the casting.

[shanegtr]

I replaced the oil pump housing on my 05 D3 when I done my belts earlier this year. In the process of all my research on doing the job the failures of the housing made me decide not to risk the chance. There was a big difference in the amount of webbing around the tensioner bracket on the new housing.

[PeterOZ]

Peter, Is yours a MY07-or later D3? MY07 first came out in August 2006 - and they were the first to have the EuroIV fuel injection setup. The Territory shares that design - so no problems if yours is MY07-on. There was another guy on here that his mechanic tried to put a Territory diesel motor into his EuroIII (MY04-MY06) D3 - and it was an expensive mistake. Good luck! Rob

Rob mine is 2007 MY08 so should be ok.

Have read silver surfer and his ordeal. MR appear to know all about how to do it correctly. They said the territory donk is exactly same except for sump pan and engine mounts.

[luked3]

Rob mine is 2007 MY08 so should be ok.

Have read silver surfer and his ordeal. MR appear to know all about how to do it correctly. They said the territory donk is exactly same except for sump pan and engine mounts.

Peter,

I live down on the Gold Coast but constantly hear good reports about MR. I guess that's one less thing to worry about, good luck mate.

Cheers
Lucas

[PeterOZ]

The D3 is now scheduled for surgery. Hoping to have I back around the 6th or 27th of this month.
Will have silicon intercooler hoses fitted to new engine, the new water cross over pipe from old engine fitted to the new one as it only ha about 1500km on it.

Will also have washer bottle replaced as it has been leaking for a couple of years now. All jobs easy to do while the vehicle has the body off the chassis.


Will be very please to have it back again, been grounded for 2 weeks now :eek:

[DiscoDB]

Whilst the body is off, a simple mod you may want to consider is to drill out and replace the turbo studs with bolts. Details can be found if you scroll down the post from the disco3.co.uk forum.

http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic95289.html

Not that you will be wanting to change a turbo out, but with this mod it is claimed that it makes it an easier job in future without needing to remove the body.

And of course any other preventative maintenance that can be done at the same time, I would do now.

[PeterOZ]

Whilst the body is off, a simple mod you may want to consider is to drill out and replace the turbo studs with bolts. Details can be found if you scroll down the post from the disco3.co.uk forum.

DISCO3.CO.UK - View topic - My Disco 3 revival thread! (http://www.disco3.co.uk/forum/topic95289.html)

Not that you will be wanting to change a turbo out, but with this mod it is claimed that it makes it an easier job in future without needing to remove the body.

And of course any other preventative maintenance that can be done at the same time, I would do now.



thanks but my budget is blown as is. :eek::twisted::angel::nazilock:

[PeterOZ]

thanks but my budget is blown as is. :eek::twisted::angel::nazilock:



just a note to say that the D3 is fixed with the "new" engine. A 12,000km 2.7 out of a territory and seems to be running sweetly, certainly a lot more pull than the old one with 201,000km on it.


I got the silicon intercooler hose done, radiator fixed up, coolant header tank replaced and washer bottle replaced. Came in within the quoted price even with the extras.


Only issue is the body now makes lots of squeaks and groans.
Any thoughts on those? I was thinking the body bolts might need easing then re-tightening?


It goes in this Friday for it's 1000km checkover so will ask them then.
Fuel economy is abit higher than previous engine as well. Might be still bedding in with only 12,000km on it.
cheers
Peter

[winaje]

just a note to say that the D3 is fixed with the "new" engine. A 12,000km 2.7 out of a territory and seems to be running sweetly, certainly a lot more pull than the old one with 201,000km on it.


I got the silicon intercooler hose done, radiator fixed up, coolant header tank replaced and washer bottle replaced. Came in within the quoted price even with the extras.


Only issue is the body now makes lots of squeaks and groans.
Any thoughts on those? I was thinking the body bolts might need easing then re-tightening?


It goes in this Friday for it's 1000km checkover so will ask them then.
Fuel economy is abit higher than previous engine as well. Might be still bedding in with only 12,000km on it.
cheers
Peter

How much did it end up costing, and is there a parts/labour breakdown?

[PeterOZ]

$13.1k. I do have a breakdown on the quote.

[LandyAndy]

$13.1k. I do have a breakdown on the quote.

OUCH!!!!
I hope she now treats you well for a long time.
Andrew

[PeterOZ]

OUCH!!!!
I hope she now treats you well for a long time.
Andrew



Thanks mate, I hope so too. I have just donje up a parts shopping list for susepnsion and steering bits including the air struts. Struts I will fit myself but all the other stuff I will have to get fitted.


About $4k in parts and who knows how much for them to install everything.

[Narangga]

Thanks mate, I hope so too. I have just donje up a parts shopping list for susepnsion and steering bits including the air struts. Struts I will fit myself but all the other stuff I will have to get fitted.


About $4k in parts and who knows how much for them to install everything.

Make that a BLOODY long time! :(

[PeterOZ]

Yes indeed. At least it will be nice to drive again.

Love my D3 so all good.

[Eevo]

Can't put a price on happiness

[PeterOZ]

I know. I'm single :-)

[PeterOZ]

D3 running quite well. It had it's 1000km checkup last Friday, all good though the body or something continues to creak and groan.


MR thought it might be the sway bar bushes so lubricated those but it is still doing it. They said the body mounts rubbers were good and were tight.


Any thoughts on what coul cause it?


Engine is very sweet and good fuel economy. About 10.6 around town and down to 8.5 at the moment after a run down to Sanctuary Cove on Saturday.


About 450km to the first half tank of fuel. Pretty happy with that.

[PeterOZ]

ust an update. Engine continues to run well with good fuel economy.


Have not done the suspesion work yet as MR still after a month and a few phone calls, emails but still no quote. What the?


Don't understand that.

[BobD]

Peter,


I will let you know the details of my struts when I get back from NZ and can look at the invoice. It took several weeks for mine to come from the UK via my indie for some reason. They ordered struts for a couple of clients at the time.


They told me that 2012 model struts were the ones to get because they reduced the travel on D4's after that date, so not quite as good for off road and may not suit the 2010 computer.

[PeterOZ]

thanks, I have a D3 not a 4 though.

[Narangga]

Have not done the suspesion work yet as MR still after a month and a few phone calls, emails but still no quote. What the?


I am having the steering rack replaced next week along with the lower control arms so it will be interesting to find out how it drives after that.

Hope you quote appears soon Peter. :(