Federal Couragia 10ply MTs

[Redback]

I am contemplating getting these in 265/70/17 to rplace my knackered BFG KM2s as our offroad tyres, not had a good run with these on the D4, barely have 30,000ks on them and they are stuffed, disappointing after the excellent run we had on the D2 with them.

So anyone had these on their D3/D4/RRS.

Thanks in advance, I'll be away this weekend, relaxing on the Murray, at Torrumbarry:p

Baz.

[~Rich~]

Hi Baz,
Have you considered the Kanati / Summit Mud Hog?
http://www.kanatitires.com/products/truck-tires/mud-hog/#.VcL9qCaqpBc
19mm tread depth!
I bought the Atturo Trail Blades and a mate bought these, overall the Mud Hog has been a better performer.
Buy them either in Queensland or Melbourne and get them shipped to you local tyre guy to fit for you.

265 70R17 NEW Kanati Summit MUD HOG MUD Tyres 265 70 17 Brisbane | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/265-70R17-NEW-KANATI-SUMMIT-MUD-HOG-MUD-TYRES-265-70-17-BRISBANE-/121598321850?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item1c4fd324ba)

Or even the Trail Hog looks a great all terrain tyre:
http://www.kanatitires.com/products/truck-tires/trail-hog/#.VcL-fyaqpBc
18mm tread depth.

LT265X70R17 118Q Summit "Trail HOG" A T Tyre Gold Coast ONE Stop Suzi Shop in QLD | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/LT265x70R17-118Q-SUMMIT-TRAIL-HOG-A-T-TYRE-GOLD-COAST-ONE-STOP-SUZI-SHOP-/251677549276?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3a9926a2dc)

Both are 10 ply LT tyres.

[~Rich~]

Btw another mate had the Fed Couragia Tyres and hated them! Sorry Baz.

[LandyAndy]

Highway driving melts them,a mate got 25000ks out of them on his 200 series.Has gone back to KO BFGs.
Andrew

[Redback]

Thanks Rich and Andy, I'll speak to my tyre bloke this week to see if he's OK with it.

Baz.

[Tombie]

Baz

Why not give these a go? Now available in the size you want...

All of about $230 each...

Achilles Desert Hawk X-MT Tyres (http://www.achillesradial.com/en/tires/suv/achilles-desert-hawk-x-mt)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/08/777.jpg

[~Rich~]

Wrong!
Those are my Atturo Trail Blade MT's!
The links for the Mudhogs are in the second post are a better bet.

[Tombie]

Ah sorry Rich. But the Achilles would do the trick :)

[~Rich~]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/08/765.jpg (http://www.aulro.com/app/data/771/medium/20140906_093831.jpg)

No problem, these are the Achillies. Care of Gordon.

[luked3]

Hi Baz,

Last month I put a set of D674's on mine, I'm really happy with them. Good on road manners, hang on in the wet, so far have been good off road on rocks and In mud , and handle gravel roads nicely, no sand yet. I went 265/65/17 but they also do a 70/17 which is under $280 and made in Japan. They are ment to wear better than the previous model but not enough kms yet to comment.

Cheers
Lucas

[Redback]

Thanks everyone, I'm looking into the Achilles and the Kumho KL71s now, can't rush these things, they also seem to get a good rap, well priced as well, in the end it will come down to price and convenience.

The KM2s were disappointing the way they had worn so quickly and chipped too, big chunks taken out on some.

Anyway still looking.

Baz.

[Tombie]

Thanks everyone, I'm looking into the Achilles and the Kumho KL71s now, can't rush these things, they also seem to get a good rap, well priced as well, in the end it will come down to price and convenience.

The KM2s were disappointing the way they had worn so quickly and chipped too, big chunks taken out on some.

Anyway still looking.

Baz.

Whats frustrating is Kuhmo site, as with several others hasnt been updated and the 17" versions arent even listed... :mad:

[Redback]

Whats frustrating is Kuhmo site, as with several others hasnt been updated and the 17" versions arent even listed... :mad:

It's OK Mike, I made an inquirey and got an answer back from the NSW Kumho rep, he thanked me for bringing that to his attention and passed the info off to IT, lets see if they do update it.

Anyway, the two new tyres available in 265/70/17, MT51 and KL51, both alternatives to the KL71 and KL78.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/08/681.jpg

[AnD3rew]

How awful are the Achilles on the highway and in the wet on bitumen?

My plan is still to put the BFG KO2s on, but they are not cheap. My D3 is now mostly a weekend and holiday car and I am slightly tempted to go cheaper and more aggressive but I still do 2000km highway trips in it a couple of times a year sometimes towing a 1.2 tone camper and ocassionally drive it around town and don't want to significantly compromise on road safety.

[Redback]

How awful are the Achilles on the highway and in the wet on bitumen?

My plan is still to put the BFG KO2s on, but they are not cheap. My D3 is now mostly a weekend and holiday car and I am slightly tempted to go cheaper and more aggressive but I still do 2000km highway trips in it a couple of times a year sometimes towing a 1.2 tone camper and ocassionally drive it around town and don't want to significantly compromise on road safety.

The info I've been getting about the Achillies has been good and bad, and noisey is one of the bad, of all of the tyres I have been looking at, the Kanati Mud Hogs get the best rap for noise, this was just scrolling through forums, I don't trust the mobs that do product reviews, I'm not all that fussed with noise, it's part of running mud tyres, something you have to live with.

All the tyres I'm looking at are all under $300ea, most are $230 to $280, the cheapest so far in 265/70/17 is the Comforser CF3000 M/T from Huntsman products at $195ea

Summit Mud Hogs, Kumho are the 2 that seem to be getting the best reviews.

I'll be speaking to John at Helensburgh Tyres, he's looked after us before and he's our local and a great bloke.

Baz.

[Tombie]

Thanks Baz.. Appreciate the work you're doing and for sharing it with the group.

[~Rich~]

Baz, I quizzed the guy who has the MudHogs on a FJ Cruiser. He is impressed not too noisy, they have not chipped as many do ( but has not done outback fast coarse gravel that does the real damage) he would buy them again. Very happy with them.

[gghaggis]

How awful are the Achilles on the highway and in the wet on bitumen?

My plan is still to put the BFG KO2s on, but they are not cheap. My D3 is now mostly a weekend and holiday car and I am slightly tempted to go cheaper and more aggressive but I still do 2000km highway trips in it a couple of times a year sometimes towing a 1.2 tone camper and ocassionally drive it around town and don't want to significantly compromise on road safety.

I ran the Achilles from Perth to Ceduna, then the back of the Ranges up to Cooberpedy, Simpson Desert, Birdsville Track and bitumen back to Clare Valley and Perth.

They're noisy, but not onerously so for a mud tyre (quieter than the Maxis BigHorns). I sat on 110+ on the bitumen, fully loaded, and at no time thought I had less control than normal.

Plus they're pretty bullet-proof, despite the relatively low load rating (for a muddy). I'll be using them for the Land Rover Challenge next month ;)

Cheers,

Gordon

[Redback]

Well I spoke to our tyre bloke yesterday, Kumho MT51 fitted and balanced for $280 per tyre, actually works out cheaper than the Mud Hogs and the Achillies, mainly because of postage for 6 tyres and then fitting on top of that, plus you only get a 30 day money back warranty, whereas the Kumhos have a 80,000k warranty, which brings up something I didn't know, Kumho is now part of the Cooper tire & Rubber Co:mad:

Anyway I'm happy with this price, I've had Kumhos on the D4 before, KL78s and they were an excellent tyre, actually they have been the best tyre we have had on the car so far, they had about 35,000ks on them when we went to the KM2s, hardly looked worn at all, so here's hoping these last, if they are as good as the KL78s, then I'll be happy.

Oh Gordon, nothing is louder than MAXXIS Bighorns;)

Oh just some extra info, if you live in QLD, VIC, or TAS, the Kanati Mud Hogs are a good deal, not so much in NSW, because of freight, especially for 6 tyres, there are no outlets that I could find any where in NSW.

Baz.

[CAR]

How awful are the Achilles on the highway and in the wet on bitumen? My plan is still to put the BFG KO2s on, but they are not cheap. My D3 is now mostly a weekend and holiday car and I am slightly tempted to go cheaper and more aggressive but I still do 2000km highway trips in it a couple of times a year sometimes towing a 1.2 tone camper and ocassionally drive it around town and don't want to significantly compromise on road safety.

The Achilles are the first mud tyre I've ever tried and I agree they are awful on wet bitumen.

I've had them on for nearly a year now. Though I had hoped to do a lot more off roading in that time, unfortunately it has been predominately the commute to work and school runs with the occasional off road trip.

I realise I can't compare them to any other mud tyre, but they're significantly worse than any other a/t or road tyre I've had on the D3 over the last 4 years.

There were times where I would intentionally test the grip levels at low speed around certain corners where it was safe to do so. Needless to say, the stability control kicked in far sooner than I thought it would.

There were also plenty of times during normal driving where I thought I was taking it pretty easy in the wet, and found the stability control still kicking in around corners. I even had the abs brakes kicking in when slowing down for an approaching intersection (slightly downhill). I've been at that intersection 100's of times over the years and have never experienced abs or wheel slippage there before. I've had the abs kick in at least 3 times there in the wet with these tyres. The 2nd and especially 3rd time really shocked me because I was already approaching slower than the last time.

When I bought them, the only thing the bloke said was "You know these things are gonna drive you crazy on the road. The noise in unbearable"

The noise doesn't bother me and I drive highways every day. I only notice the noise up around 100. I can easily live with it, especially with windows up.

I'm keen to try a different set of muddies, which are known to be better in the wet than others. If they are much the same as these, I'll be going back to a/t's.

They're a great looking tyre and they are not wearing as fast as I thought they would. At $250 each fitted and balanced, they were quite affordable too.

[Redback]

The Achilles are the first mud tyre I've ever tried and I agree they are awful on wet bitumen.

I've had them on for nearly a year now. Though I had hoped to do a lot more off roading in that time, unfortunately it has been predominately the commute to work and school runs with the occasional off road trip.

I realise I can't compare them to any other mud tyre, but they're significantly worse than any other a/t or road tyre I've had on the D3 over the last 4 years.

There were times where I would intentionally test the grip levels at low speed around certain corners where it was safe to do so. Needless to say, the stability control kicked in far sooner than I thought it would.

There were also plenty of times during normal driving where I thought I was taking it pretty easy in the wet, and found the stability control still kicking in around corners. I even had the abs brakes kicking in when slowing down for an approaching intersection (slightly downhill). I've been at that intersection 100's of times over the years and have never experienced abs or wheel slippage there before. I've had the abs kick in at least 3 times there in the wet with these tyres. The 2nd and especially 3rd time really shocked me because I was already approaching slower than the last time.

When I bought them, the only thing the bloke said was "You know these things are gonna drive you crazy on the road. The noise in unbearable"

The noise doesn't bother me and I drive highways every day. I only notice the noise up around 100. I can easily live with it, especially with windows up.

I'm keen to try a different set of muddies, which are known to be better in the wet than others. If they are much the same as these, I'll be going back to a/t's.

They're a great looking tyre and they are not wearing as fast as I thought they would. At $250 each fitted and balanced, they were quite affordable too.

We are lucky in that we have a second set of rims, so we have ATs on our standard 18s(D697s) they are great tyres for on and offroad.

Our second set are only used for touring, and we prefer muddies because of some of the places we go and we are usually towing as well, it's not a good feeling to be stuck knowing that if we had mud tyres on, chances are we would not have gotten stuck in the first place.

So mud tyres are a precaution, I can live with the noise also and I know the limitations of a cheap mud tyre on wet roads, having had Nankang Mudstars(MAXXIS Buckshot copies) on our old D2, these were downright bloody dangerous on wet roads, and required a certain amount of care when driving wet roads.

I have had Kumhos before and I know they are a great tyre, both for grip in all dry conditions and wet bitumen roads, wet offroad, not so much, but probably the best AT I've had on any car, and would have chosen them for our 18"rims it they had them in the size we wanted.

Anyway soon as we get a few things sorted, we will go ahead with these new MT51s.

Baz.

[Drizzle]

Has anyone had any experiences with the Nitto M/T Trail Grappler LT265/70R17 on D3/D4?


Plenty of good reviews on other vehicles. Most of them comment on how quiet they are as well as long mileage for a M/T compared to other brands they've used:

Reviews - Nitto Trail Grappler M/T Tire Reviews by Offroaders.com (http://www.offroaders.com/reviewbox/showproduct.php?product=792&cat=3)


From one of the few places that had prices online they seem similarly priced to a BFG KM2:

Nitto Trail Grappler - The Wheel Deal (http://www.thewheeldeal.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=279_326&products_id=4269)

[Drizzle]

The Nitto's have just gone mainstream as they're now being sold by Bob Jane.

I gave them a call for a quote for the Mud Tyre Trail Grappler in LT265/70R17 and they're priced better than I expected.

I might just bite...

[Firko]

The Achilles are the first mud tyre I've ever tried and I agree they are awful on wet bitumen.

I've had them on for nearly a year now. Though I had hoped to do a lot more off roading in that time, unfortunately it has been predominately the commute to work and school runs with the occasional off road trip.

I realise I can't compare them to any other mud tyre, but they're significantly worse than any other a/t or road tyre I've had on the D3 over the last 4 years.

There were times where I would intentionally test the grip levels at low speed around certain corners where it was safe to do so. Needless to say, the stability control kicked in far sooner than I thought it would.

There were also plenty of times during normal driving where I thought I was taking it pretty easy in the wet, and found the stability control still kicking in around corners. I even had the abs brakes kicking in when slowing down for an approaching intersection (slightly downhill). I've been at that intersection 100's of times over the years and have never experienced abs or wheel slippage there before. I've had the abs kick in at least 3 times there in the wet with these tyres. The 2nd and especially 3rd time really shocked me because I was already approaching slower than the last time.

When I bought them, the only thing the bloke said was "You know these things are gonna drive you crazy on the road. The noise in unbearable"

The noise doesn't bother me and I drive highways every day. I only notice the noise up around 100. I can easily live with it, especially with windows up.

I'm keen to try a different set of muddies, which are known to be better in the wet than others. If they are much the same as these, I'll be going back to a/t's.

They're a great looking tyre and they are not wearing as fast as I thought they would. At $250 each fitted and balanced, they were quite affordable too.

I am looking at getting a set of these too as a set of touring tires, we have a disco 4 only had it a few weeks but we are keen to get out on the beach we are looking to do a few trips to Stockton to get a feel for the car and learn about driving on sand before doing a bigger trip to Frazer,
tire noise dose not concern us as they will be on the car for trips only i got a set of used 18" i think off a disco 3 will this tire wheel package work we will be doing a lot of sand and dirt roads and little snow ?

[Drizzle]

I am looking at getting a set of these too as a set of touring tires, we have a disco 4 only had it a few weeks but we are keen to get out on the beach we are looking to do a few trips to Stockton to get a feel for the car and learn about driving on sand before doing a bigger trip to Frazer,
tire noise dose not concern us as they will be on the car for trips only i got a set of used 18" i think off a disco 3 will this tire wheel package work we will be doing a lot of sand and dirt roads and little snow ?

Hi Firko! Welcome to the forum!

Not sure what model D4 you have but the OEM 18" rims will only fit on the TDV6 2.7L model, you can also fit down to a 17" rim on the 2.7L. If you have a 3.0L D4 the only 18" rims that will fit are the aftermarket Compomotive rims that can be bought from Green Oval Experience:
Green Oval Experience Land Rover training, Range Rover modifcation (http://www.greenovalexperience.com/#!18-inch-rims/cglk)

If you haven't seen the Discovery 3/4 & RRS FAQ page, make sure you check it out as there's heaps of good info there:
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/93220-aulro-discovery-3-4-rrs-faq.html

Just be aware that mud tyres are not the best choice for sand driving as they tend to dig holes very quickly, and before you know it you be bogged down to the chassis! Most of the guys I regularly go fishing with to Fraser just have highway tyres on their vehicles with a few opting for A/T's.

Maybe an A/T tyre might be best suited for your purposes? There are many A/T's available that will fit and most likely do what you want from them, but only 2 of them are rated as light truck A/T's in LT265/60R18 size. These are the BF Goodrich All Terrain T/A K02 and the Bridgestone Dueler A/T D697.

If you end up staying with 19" rims there are no LT tyres available, but the Cooper Zeon LTZ, Goodyear Duratrac and Hankook RTF10 seem to be popular.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/147230-d4-19inch-cooper-zeon-ltz-255-55-19-a.html

Hope this helps. Cheers!

[Firko]

Gday Drizzle,

thanks for the heads up i do in fact have a 3L spewing about the 18" D3 rims I have in the garage that i cant use lol the more i read the more it looks like i should just stay with what i have.

regards Firko

[Drizzle]

No worries. We're camped on Fraser now up at Sandy Cape. Highway tyres seem fine here on the sand. The vehicle on the left has only ever had highway tyres, as with all his previous vehicles over the years. Never had any tyre issues with the inland tracks to Orchid Beach or crossing the Ngkala Rocks bypass track.

102756

[Stuart02]

Hi Firko! Welcome to the forum!

Just be aware that mud tyres are not the best choice for sand driving as they tend to dig holes very quickly, and before you know it you be bogged down to the chassis! Most of the guys I regularly go fishing with to Fraser just have highway tyres on their vehicles with a few opting for A/T's.

Maybe an A/T tyre might be best suited for your purposes? There are many A/T's available that will fit and most likely do what you want from them, but only 2 of them are rated as light truck A/T's in LT265/60R18 size. These are the BF Goodrich All Terrain T/A K02 and the Bridgestone Dueler A/T D697.

If you end up staying with 19" rims there are no LT tyres available, but the Cooper Zeon LTZ, Goodyear Duratrac and Hankook RTF10 seem to be popular.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/147230-d4-19inch-cooper-zeon-ltz-255-55-19-a.html

Hope this helps. Cheers!

Yeah completely dependent on the driving you're doing. I'd personally still go for an AT over a highway tyre for a bit of extra protection from staking - even if they're not an LT, the extra tread depth helps and the side walls are /usually/ tougher.