Recalls and service memos:incorrect jack fitted

[Don 130]

This is very old news judging by the date, but did all you people with collapsing jacks know this? (http://www.landrover-center.com/rsm/LR3-L319/15642)
Don.

[jonesy63]

Don - that is a USA site.. here is the Australian one:
Land Rover (http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/954130)

[LandyAndy]

It also only applies to coil sprung D3/LR3 vehicles.A scissor jack supplied when a hydraulic jack is needed.
Shame there isnt a factory hydraulic jack for air sprung vehicles.
Andrew

[Fred Nerk]

I am a careful person with jacks. Mine collapsed suddenly and folded when being used on flat ground. No damage because I never trusted the scissor jack. It is annoying that there are so many reports of this, but the problem has not been addressed.

[LandyAndy]

I think the biggest issue is finding a hydraulic jack that lowers as low as a scissor jack can.Others have bought and used hydraulic jacks and they are fine to use.You still need to retain the scissor jack just in case you have a bump stop issue and a flat tyre;););););)
**** poor engineering!!!!
Andrew

[Fred Nerk]

No you don't. There is another option. I have a sprinter jack which is usually ok, but might not fit under the chassis if the tyre is very flat. In that situation I can drive the car onto a caravan levelling wedge under the flat tyre. After that, the jack fits easily.

[AnD3rew]

There is a new option which I posted about here.

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4-rrs/222778-new-jack-option.html

[Fred Nerk]

That looks the goods, but I have spent enough on jacks for now. The the custom top fitting is a great idea.

[jonesy63]

That looks the goods, but I have spent enough on jacks for now. The the custom top fitting is a great idea.

Did you use the following with your Sprinter jack?
Sprinter Jack Washer Kit - DISCO3.CO.UK - Shop (http://www.disco3.co.uk/shop/sprinter-jack-washer-kit-p53.html)

[Griffo]

This is very old news judging by the date, but did all you people with collapsing jacks know this? (http://www.landrover-center.com/rsm/LR3-L319/15642)
Don.

Huh.. my scissor jack failed the first time I tried to use it.. had to call a towie to help. I ended up getting a bottle jack and "cutting out" the foam holder so it would fit.

[Fred Nerk]

Did you use the following with your Sprinter jack?
Sprinter Jack Washer Kit - DISCO3.CO.UK - Shop (http://www.disco3.co.uk/shop/sprinter-jack-washer-kit-p53.html)
Thank you. I have now ordered the washer kit. I will be more comfortable with that fitted instead of the standard Mercedes top of the jack. I am grateful.

[letherm]

How does this work?

My assumption is that the original top of the stem is removed (as per the instructions shown in the link to LR3 Disco) and that leaves a stem that the washer goes over and which can then be inserted into the chassis rail hole that is recommended by LR. Or am I missing the point altogether. :confused:

It sounds like a viable alternative to the custom made jack Andrew purchased.

Decisions, decisions!!!

Martin

[AnD3rew]

How does this work?

My assumption is that the original top of the stem is removed (as per the instructions shown in the link to LR3 Disco) and that leaves a stem that the washer goes over and which can then be inserted into the chassis rail hole that is recommended by LR. Or am I missing the point altogether. :confused:

It sounds like a viable alternative to the custom made jack Andrew purchased.

Decisions, decisions!!!

Martin

I'm not sure, but from the description it sounds like you just remove the saddle from the post of the sprinter jack and the put this washer and pin in. I think the washer just stops the post from dropping back into the body of the jack and I assume all the weight of the vehicle just sits on top,of the post.

If that's the case I m not sure about that, the car was designed to be jacked from the bottom of the chassis rail on the hips of the Jack post with a hole and pin to locate the jack securely, not to be jacked from whatever the post sits on inside the hole.

[Nicky]

How does this work?

My assumption is that the original top of the stem is removed (as per the instructions shown in the link to LR3 Disco) and that leaves a stem that the washer goes over and which can then be inserted into the chassis rail hole that is recommended by LR. Or am I missing the point altogether. :confused:

It sounds like a viable alternative to the custom made jack Andrew purchased.

Decisions, decisions!!!

Martin

Can anyone post a link to the Mercedes Sprinter jack please,

[Fred Nerk]

I have to confess that I am not yet sure how the washer adaptation will engage the chassis. I'll report back when I have received and fitted it.

A link to the sprinter jack. It varies, but this should get you started.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/d3-d4.../181291-bottle-jack-any-good-2.html

[Fred Nerk]

The washer arrived a week ago and I have tried it out with my Sprinter jack.
It is very straight forward to remove the original top jack fitting by knocking out the pin that retains it. The new washer is quite thick (for strength) and it fits loosely over spindle on top of the jack. The exposed spindle fits easily into the chassis rail holes where the jack is supposed to go. The washer distributes the load.

This seems much less likely to slip than the old Sprinter top.

The retaining clip is used for storage. It keeps the washer in place and stops the shaft from falling down into the jack. The clip is removed before jacking as it would be crushed between the washer and the chassis rail.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/09/934.jpg

The first picture shows the washer with the retaining clip in place. It is easy to remove ready to jack the car.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/09/935.jpg

The second picture shows the jack ready for use. I was surprised that the top still fits into the chassis hole. It even has some "slack" to allow for uneven ground and changes in angle as the car is raised.

[LandyAndy]

The top of the jack looks like it has been machined down to suit.
I will soon have an a adapter to suit 28mm top jacks.
See the adaptor thread.
Andrew

[letherm]

The retaining clip is used for storage. It keeps the washer in place and stops the shaft from falling down into the jack. The clip is removed before jacking as it would be crushed between the washer and the chassis rail.



What stops the shaft from falling down into the jack when it's being used and the clip is not there to hold it in place?

Martin

[Fred Nerk]

What stops the shaft from falling down into the jack when it's being used and the clip is not there to hold it in place?

Martin

The shaft falls slowly due to the nature of hydraulic jacks and only when you turn the valve to allow it. The idea is that you turn the valve and stop the shift going too low and into the jack. Fit the clip again, then let the shaft drop to the position used for storage. It is very easy.

I admit that I do not know what happens if you allow the shaft to fall down into the jack. It might just pump up again or it might be a major problem to extract. It is quite straight forward to avoid finding out.


The top of the jack looks like it has been machined down to suit.
I will soon have an a adapter to suit 28mm top jacks.
See the adaptor thread.
Andrew

I am sure it is a lucky coincidence that the top of the shaft of the Sprinter jack is the perfect size for the holes in the chassis rails. The washer ensures the load is transmitted to the same surface as the original fitting would have done. This solution is only suitable for a shaft similar to the Sprinter jack.

[letherm]

The shaft falls slowly due to the nature of hydraulic jacks and only when you turn the valve to allow it. The idea is that you turn the valve and stop the shift going too low and into the jack. Fit the clip again, then let the shaft drop to the position used for storage. It is very easy.



Obvious when you think about it I suppose. :p I've only ever used one once - on my old Pajero about 15 years ago and never looked at it again. Thanks for explaining.

Martin