What Oil are you putting in Tdi's

[seqfisho]

Hi All,

Time is near for the very first oil change on the Disco, well first one that I've done on it, we finally got 5,000kms on it since we purchased in March when the lovely LR dealer had replaced all fluids and timming belt before purchase style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif :wink:

With the Defenders I always used Castrol RX Super, and it never really gave a great deal of problems and I always dropped it and the filter every 5000 (which sucked big time when I was doin 1200-1500km a week 8O )
But I beleive that there must be better oils out there, especially for the TDi's, so what do you use and why?


Glen.

[BigTed]

Hi Seqfisho,
the link below is to a topic from a few weeks back, I ended up buying a 20 lt drum of Mobil Delvac 1 as this seemed the best suited oil for the DII.
So have a read, usefull info here.
http://www.aulro.com/modules.php?name=Foru...iewtopic&t=5761 (http://www.aulro.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=5761)

[LRHybrid100]

Penrite HPR Diesel 15/40W and Coopers filters.

I too was using Castrol RX in the new TDI Rangie - had it left over from the V8, but have since been told Penrite is far superior by a person who sees real life motors day in day out providing an informed choice to run his own cars on Penrite

Just my 10c worth - pretty sure you will get different answers

LRH

[incisor]

dont confuse 300tdi and td5 specs when looking at info on oils..

the 300tdi has totally different needs to the td5.

[LRHybrid100]

thats right Inc - the 300 TDI is a real diesel motor style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif non of these new fangled electontics & Common Rail injections :wink:

LRH

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:darkred">i found out that castrol is one of the best diesel oils available......
everything else they have is crap but their diesel oil is great.......

i just need someone to confirm this if possible as i dont rate any castrol products too highly....</span>

[seqfisho]

Just been surfing around the oil sites and Penrite recommend for a 95-99 300tdi Discovery HPR Diesel 15

It was up near the top of my list but still interested in what everyone else uses.


Glen.

[sclarke]

I second LRHybrid100's opinion.

Penrite.

[weeds]

I use HPR 15, why, I have a mate who is a motor mechanic and he that all he has ever used in his 4WD's, however do your research so that you are comfortable with your selection. I have used it for two oil changes since owning the defender.

[DEFENDERZOOK]

<span style="color:blue">well...penrite is a damn good oil....


thats all i use in my cars...</span>

[incisor]

there seems to be 2 popular schools of thought, 5000k service schedule and 10000k service schedule...

going by the oil sampling i have done.....

if you use the 5000k schedule you will do just fine with delo 400 or equiv

if you use the 10000k schedule then the use of penrite would be a better option.

i use the 5000k schedule and used to use penrite but have now gone to delo 400 and the oil sampling shows the delo 400 performs just fine when compared to the penrite samples.

i would NOT use the delo 400 on a 10000k schedule as it seems to lose the plot at about 7000-8000k in my experince.

if you want a definitive answer for your engine then you need to do a couple of samples to find out exactly how the oil you use goes in your engine.

it is all well and good to say use super wizzbang ++ oil, but if you have too high a build up of fuel in your oil or a high particulate level then it is a waste of money using expensive oil on a 10000k schedule. only a couple of samples will give you an accurate indication.

[72pug]

Just my opinion, so only take it for that, but from long experience with 2 300tdi engines, i have found that both the castrol gtx 'd', and more-so the rx diesel, to be very poor, and had my friend who is workshop foreman of a large large trucking company confirm this from his own experiences with a wide range of diesel applications.

I have been using a fully synthetic Castrol 'R', specifically the 0-40, for over 2 years now, and have found a few things to praise, particularly, increased (IMPROVED) Economy, and marginally quicker spool up time on the turbo....(and this is on an automatic model) so manual would be partially better! Also...with regards to samples etc, i found that with shortish journeys, a conventional mineral oil in the tdi could break down at as little as 2800 k's, which was a worry, considering this vehicle is tip top in maintenance eg, fuel system mixtures and EGT!.

With the synthetic, the average start of breakdown is just over double, closer to 6000-6500 k's minimum, and you can feel safe to leave it for the 10,000 k's that a lot do, but i still like to drop it at 5000k's just from a cleanliness point of view and reducing acid deposit build up.
The cost of this oil when first released was anywhere up tp $80 for 5l, and this was hard to swallow, but has reduced significantly now and can be had for around $58, from various places locally, and just out of interest....is the only oil recommended for the new pfv fords namely the v8!

.......Just one small point, to agree with above comments,.....the TD5 Does Need a different oil, namely a 5-30, which is NOT suitable for the TDI, AND THAT WAS FROM castrol themselves.

Anyway, sorry to rant, but there's my .02c worth anyway.............not used from anyone else, but my own experiences, ta. Wayne.

[rick130]

Zook, Castrol's synthetic gear oils are excellent. A trucking operator I know has had great success with Syntrans, Syntrax, SAF-XA, Transmax Z, etc, pretty much eliminating drivetrain wear over the life of their rigs. (BTW, he uses Mobil Delvac 1 exclusively in his engines, 100,000km OCI !, Mann-Hummel centrifugal filters like used on a TD5 and Donaldson ELF full flows, also there for 100,000km. MTU Detroit stripped one of his engines recently @ 1,000,000km and all measurements were within new specs 8O )

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>i would NOT use the delo 400 on a 10000k schedule as it seems to lose the plot at about 7000-8000k in my experince.
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G'day Incisor, what was happening with the Delo around those km ?
TBN dropping badly ? viscosity increase ?
I'm interested, also type of driving engine experiences.

cheers,

Rick

[Defender200Tdi]

Seems to be a common theme here. I'm also using Penrite HPR Diesel15, and change the oil every 5,000 km. But then for me it's not a daily driver, so an oil change every 5,000 still isn't that often.


Paul style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

[jf1056]

I have never had any issues with castrol diesel oil 15w-40. Have done 138k and change every 5k incuding filter. I buy it in 20l drums from supercrap for $84. What problem can there be?? the oil collects contaminants and the filter filters it. When the filter is full of contaminants it just by passes anyway. Been doing this with the farm tractors and trucks since Adam was a boy. The Allis 4wd tractor has a cummins 300hp turbo six in it and has done over 8000 hours on this oil and method. No smokey startups and full compression and no rebuilds. Just change regularly. Thats my tuppence worth.

[shaunp]

Dad runs the normal Penrite diesel oil in his not the 15 and it seems ok. He drops it somewhere between 6k and 10k. I noticed earlier this year when we did a tip and it had done nearly 10k it started to get noisy. Prior to dad owning the car it had full LR service history so it got what ever they use at the normal service interval. I dropped the sump of it about 6 months back to stop it leaking(fitted a gasket instead of the factory glue) and the engine was spotless inside, the sump wiped clean with a rag no need to degrease, it had done 160k at the time. So I reckon these engines don't have a sludging problem that we need to worry about.

[Ace]

I used Catlex Havoline Semi-Synthetic for the first 3 changes, when that oil ran out i have now swapped to Catlex Delo 400, the same as Inc, it seems to be fine, i havent done the full 5k yet, will see what it looks like at the end. Matt

[disconut]

I ran my TDi from new on Penrite HPR. Did 140,000 klms prior to selling it. Changed oil and eng oil filter and air filter every 10,000.
Regular changes are the key to longevity of any engine.
Trev.

[cewilson]

IMHO, if using synthetic oil, then 10,000km changes, if using cheaper normal oils, then 5,000km changes.

That's the basis on what I do, but I run a 93 Tdi Defender though!

[drooby]

I am using Lubrimax Globalmax Diesel 15w/40 in my Tdi which has 230,000 on the odo.
I do find which oil to use very confusing. My wife uses the Disco as a daily driver and I would like to use oil that will last 10,000k's and look after my donk.
Am I right in assuming Penrite is the go? :?:

[disconut]

Hi Drooby,
Your Lubrimax doesn't come in little tubes does it? style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif

What company supplies it? never heard of the stuff.
Trev.

[incisor]

Originally posted by drooby
Am I right in assuming Penrite is the go? :?:

on a 10000k schedule penrite is definetly the go IMHO

[incisor]

memory....

i cant find my e-monitor oil sample reports at the moment (i had a tidy up the other week, sigh) but from what i remember there was a significant drop in the oiliness of the oil, i cant remeber the way they termed it on the report dam it (something and viscosity i think) and it had nothing to do with fuel contamination, all the metals were also well within acceptable levels.

hopefully find the things soon.

[rick130]

they (E-Monotor/ALS) measure viscosity (@ 100*C) and it shouldn't thin or thicken appreciably from a virgin sample.
Soot causes thickening, and thinning is either fuel dilution (which by the souns of things yours wasn't) or shearing (usually) of the viscosity index improvers.
I had Valvoline XLD collapse on me in a Jeep 4.2 six fifteen years ago on a hot summers day. The oil pressure crashed as if I'd spun a bearing)Penrite HPR 30 fixed that, although these days I'm not a believer in high viscosity oils.

I wouldn't have thought a Tdi would be very hard on an oil, shear wise, unlike a common rail diesel.
This is interesting, as in the US, Delo 400 uses a very good base stock (Group II+) which I believe is a partialy hydrocracked/highly refined mineral oil. Maybe they are using an Oz sourced base stock (like Castrol use for RX-Super) and more VII's to make it work ???
It (Delo 400) is such a highly regarded oil, I would have thought it could go 20,000km safely.
The Fuchs Titan Universal HD we used to use in the Patrol is a pretty basic oil, but it returned excellent results, and could easily go 10,000km, even though Nissan specify 5,000km oil changes, but it does do lots of highway miles and hardly any town work.

Did you do a couple of tests to establish a trend ?

Thanks for the feed back, and if you can find the tests would be great, as this sort of thing can more accurately establish what actually works over, "a mate of a friend's sister said...." :wink:

cheers.

[shaunp]

BP refinery in Brisbane installed a new hydrocracker a few years ago. As far as I know the lube oil blending plant is across the river at Caltex refinery, they blend most local brands there except for Penrite etc, or at least they did when Dad was at BP. There is some stuff that is made at Beenliegh I think called PM oils I think. I've never used it but believe it is pretty good from what I've heard. Supposed to have a pretty robust additive package, part of the deal is you send them a sample and they tell you if it needs changing.

[shaunp]

Found the link

http://www.pmlubricants.com.au/pm_home.htm

[Captain_Rightfoot]

We're back from our trip and the car has 6.5k on it. I phoned a guy from Shell, and he reckoned to change it after we got back from our trip. I was intending to use Shell helix Ultra (full synthetic) 15w/40. I phoned Land Rover and confirmed that this oil exceeds their requirements (as many oils do).

Any thoughts?

[CraigE]

when I had my tdi Disco I generally used Castrol RX Super or BP Vannelus Global. If you are changing oils at 5000km intervals on a tdi any of the oils metioned and a lot more would be suitable as they will not have a chance to break down. If you are going out to 10,000km intervals then you should look at a full synthetic. I changed my tdi oil every 5000kms and an oil and filter change every 10,000kms. The good thing about RX super and BP Vanellus is it is now down to about $85 for 20 litres. I now have a TD5 and still change every 5000kms but use only synthetic 5w oils. I have been using BP Visco 5000, but have just changed to Castrol Synthetic R (both made by BP anyway) and will see how that goes. I was intending to use Penrite HPR 5 diesel but on reading the details found that it is only semi synthetic not full synthetic oils so gave it a miss. I have run Castrol synthetic R in V8 Holdens with good results.
I have also found that getting a suitable oil for the gearbox (manual 5 speed) instead of atf fluid is difficult to locate. On trying to get Castrol one of the store told me that what I was after did not exit and offered me the type suitable for the transfer case GLD spec. No one in this area stocks the castrol GL4 required oil. I found almost by mistake that Valvoline have a suitable oil their Duragear 75W 85 which is comparable to the Castrol 75W 85 and within spec of the factory MTF 94, so will try this.

[shaunp]

I've used Valvoline Dura gear 75/85 in Lt77 and R380 for years and have not had an issues in Brisbane climate. Dura gear is all that M.R automotive will use in them, they reckon it is the most reliable mineral/semi synth MTF they have found. Just becarful when you pick up the bottle as the 85/90 looks the same, make sure you read the words. Super cheap sell it.