Nammon's 1955 S1 86"

[nammon]

Hello,
I am very new to the Land Rover. However today I just picked up the first land rover for myself. I am planing to restore her back as original as possible. First thing that I will do is make over the body and repaint the car.

So my questions are as following
1) Is it possible to know the color of the car since it came out from factory? Are there any plate that tell about the color of the car?
2) How many original color available for S1 1955? (I believe that my car is 1955 from the Vin#57101853 Engine#57104201, Please correct me if I am wrong)



Here are the picture

[crackers]

Nice looking S1. Any side-on photos? What sort of condition is she in?

I've seen photos of Landies with layer upon layer upon layer of paint. My own has two colours and I know the second one was put on after purchase because the original owner's name is painted just in front of the door under the top layer. So a bit of careful sanding might uncover the original colour.

The other trick is to go looking for places you wouldn't paint when repainting a car. Under the mudguards would be an immediate good choice but I'm betting that the inside of the cabin isn't blue and if it is, I'll bet you'll find a different colour behind the instrument panel - that'd be a very good place to look because the paint wouldn't have faded.

As for colour matching, just take a decent sized chip of paint to your local paint shop and they'll match it for you.

[russellrovers]

Hello,
I am very new to the Land Rover. However today I just picked up the first land rover for myself. I am planing to restore her back as original as possible. First thing that I will do is make over the body and repaint the car.

So my questions are as following
1) Is it possible to know the color of the car since it came out from factory? Are there any plate that tell about the color of the car?
2) How many original color available for S1 1955? (I believe that my car is 1955 from the Vin#57101853 Engine#57104201, Please correct me if I am wrong)hi take the chassi plate off may be there good looking landy mainly bronze green regards jim



Here are the picturetake the compliance plate off main colour bronze green jim

[JDNSW]

There will, as Russell says, almost certainly be a few places where mall panels have not been removed when it was repainted, and these also often have some unfaded paint under them. Apart from the identification plate on the bulkhead, a good one is often the cover for the LHD handbrake hole.

John

[nammon]

Thank you very much for all the advice. I will take a look at the car again this evening at the garage.
Here are other photos

[Landy Smurf]

good find,looks great :)

[LandroverScott]

HI, it appears it is an ex British army Land rover, the large ID plate says 1/4 ton 4x4 GS (general service), also the Bradford pintle hook and large NATO socket on the back all say British Army.

if you look at that photo bottom right you will see Deep Bronze Green under the blue

Regards
Scott

[Dark61]

nice looking vehicle. Let us know how you get on with the paint etc.
cheers,
D

[nammon]

HI, it appears it is an ex British army Land rover, the large ID plate says 1/4 ton 4x4 GS (general service), also the Bradford pintle hook and large NATO socket on the back all say British Army.

if you look at that photo bottom right you will see Deep Bronze Green under the blue

Regards
Scott

Yes, I think the original color is Green. From the Original Land Rover Series I, the book mentioned that the standard color (For 86") with the reference code for Herberts paint were available as following
1) Green (Deep Bronze Green) 0428
2) Grey 37263
3) Beige (Ivory) 0416
4) Blue (RAF Blue) 37262

I was trying to let the paint shop do the sample of the blue color but they couldn't find the component from the code, Please correct me whether the paint codes above are correct or not?

[nammon]

I went to the body shop this afternoon. Most of the parts were taken out of the car. So I can clearly see the condition of the chassis, fender etc.

[nammon]

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[nammon]

Some areas of the chassis and body will be replaced with the new part such as driver and passenger doors, rear fender, back trunk opener, back chassis, from bumper.

[nammon]

I am planning to spray the car in Deep Bronze Green. However I have seen many variety shades of Green. I let the paint shop to do a sample of the Deep Bronze Green (0428 From the original series 1 book) Anyway I'd love to have the photo with correct green as a references, so I can compare with my sample paint. From internet once I search for "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green" the resulf pop up with many shade of green, So I don't know which one I should make it as references. If you guys have a photo of the S1 with correct green, please kindly help by posting that on this thread

Thank you very much

[gromit]

I am planning to spray the car in Deep Bronze Green. However I have seen many variety shades of Green. I let the paint shop to do a sample of the Deep Bronze Green (0428 From the original series 1 book) Anyway I'd love to have the photo with correct green as a references, so I can compare with my sample paint. From internet once I search for "Land Rover Deep Bronze Green" the resulf pop up with many shade of green, So I don't know which one I should make it as references. If you guys have a photo of the S1 with correct green, please kindly help by posting that on this thread

Thank you very much

Problem is a photo will not give a true colour, it depends on the camera, the lighting at the time the photo was taken and the monitor you view it on.

Maybe if someone has had some Deep Bronze Green mixed recently (and they were happy with the result) they could post the formula ?

Colin

[LandroverScott]

Hi,

Just be a little careful, civilian vehicles where Bronze green and military ones where Deep bronze green, there is a difference

As Grommit says photos are difficult to match, do you have a section not blue, good paint stores can computer scan and match, do you have them there?

Regards

[nammon]

Thank you Scott and Gromit,
Latest update, After I gave the number 428 to my regular paint shop, He could not find the formula for the paint. I think I have to try a different paint shop.

Scott, thank you again for the new knowledge about the different between Civilian and military issue.

Regards,

[crackers]

Thank you Scott and Gromit,
Latest update, After I gave the number 428 to my regular paint shop, He could not find the formula for the paint. I think I have to try a different paint shop.

Scott, thank you again for the new knowledge about the different between Civilian and military issue.

Regards,


I seem to remember this being discussed recently with the comment that the old pigments and recipes weren't available now. Your best bet (and most accurate) is to take a chip of paint or painted part to your paint shop and get it matched - that shop will be able to keep a record of what their own recipe and replicate it later if needed.

[JDNSW]

Often a good place to find some original paint is under the cover for the hole for the LHD handbrake, but there are likely to be other similar spots where it has not been repainted and the original is unfaded.

John

[nammon]

Besides the body paint formula, I have come up with another concern. At first I decided to galvanize the chassis and leave the chassis's color like that. However if I changed my mind to not have the chassis galvanized. So my concern is what should be the correct chassis color for 1955 S1. Original Land Rover mentioned as below

"Chassis frames on 1954 model 86"and107" are painted to match the bodies, green on 86" and blue on 107". But 1955 and later basic vehicle. Both 86"and107" have their chassis finished more conventionally in black"

From the sentence above, I would certainly have the chassis finished in black. But once I take a closely look at the chassis again, I spot a green color painted on the chassis as you can see from the attached.

So what do you guys think?&

[nammon]

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[JDNSW]

That looks to me to be part of the repaint green - I see the same colour on the brake fluid reservoir, and it is not credible that this would ever have come from the factory anything except basic black or possibly unpainted tinplate.

John

[nammon]

That looks to me to be part of the repaint green - I see the same colour on the brake fluid reservoir, and it is not credible that this would ever have come from the factory anything except basic black or possibly unpainted tinplate.

John

Hello John,
Got your point. So for now I have three options left for the chassis make over
1) Rust removal then paint the color in black
2) Rust removal, gavalnize and leave the color like that
3) Rust removal, gavalize and paint the color in black
:):):)

[crackers]

Mate, have a read of the Grey Ghost's thread
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-ii-iia/148131-new-project.html

There are other threads of course, but his is the one I'm reading at the moment and it details how he's gone about restoring his Landy. There's a loooot of detail but among it, it describes how he cleaned up and painted the chassis.

Basically - clean, scrub all the rust and paint off (he shows the tools he uses), prime, paint.

[Pickles2]

Great images. Lots of Landies in that shop. Are they LandRover specialists?
Keep up the photos, very interesting.
Thanks, Pickles.

[nammon]

I stopped by at the shop this morning. To finalize what I will do on the chassis color. I will sandblasting, Gavalnize, and Powder coating the chassis in green color. As I take a very close look at the chassis, majority part of the chassis has a green color and I don't think that it is a reprint color as the surface is very thin. Besides judging by my eye, I also used the equipment to monitor the thickness of the color at the green color area on the chassis. The result came out with a very low number, something like 50 micron...

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[nammon]

My assumptions to believe that the chassis is painted in green because lathe chassis never been fixed or repaired and there is no reason that the previous owner who repainted the body in blue and put the green on chassis. As the book said 1954 and 1955 is a transition period of the chassis's color, probably the very early 1955 model will have a chassis painted in color that match with the body. Lasting as I mentioned earlier, the measurement number of color's thickness is very low. My assumption could be wrong... But I still have some times before the car is ready for the paint process 😁

[crackers]

If you have a read of my last posts in Wombat's thread, you'll note that I've been cleaning her up and found that my chassis was galvanised, painted yellow, then black on top. Wombat was sold new in Feb 1956 so would have been build in late 1955.

Why the yellow? I don't know. Maybe she'd been earmarked for emergency use then built her up for normal use, maybe that's how they did it. Whatever, I'm not sure you can go making assumptions.

[JDNSW]

I think that when looking at questions such as this you need to cast your mind back to 1955. Today we assume cars are built by enormous companies, designed by huge teams of experts, and produced in tens of thousands of identical vehicles on largely automated assembly lines.

In 1955, it was only ten years after the end of the largest war in history, and Solihull had been effectively on the front line (they were a target for bombing), as well as a major supplier to the war effort. The factory was only a few years past being changed over from military production to civilian, and this small company was making a vehicle unlike anything they had ever made previously, and which was selling in larger numbers than anything they had ever made. And they were built largely by hand.

The vehicle was designed and production managed by a group of only a few dozen, at most, and, faced with post-war shortages and changes in priorities as orders changed and production ramped up, it is certain that a lot of vehicles would have gone out with differences for various reasons that were never documented, either to meet customer requests or just deal with, for example, a temporary shortage of "the right" paint.

There was no such thing as "just in time" management in those days (for example, Rover stored the kits for supply to Minerva for years to meet their contract, which had repercussions when they were still supplying Minerva with 80" kits after Solihull was making 86s!). In a world where communication was by mail, and even phone calls were only a small part of business life, production changes had to be made pretty much at shop floor level to cope with problems. And unless deemed important, never documented.

John

[nammon]

A littel update... Back chassis replacement is done. There are a few more chassis reinforcements that will be replaced. After all replacement parts done, the chassis will be in process of sand blasting, gavalize and paint

[crackers]

Cripes, you're not wasting any time. Must be good to be able to do the job thoroughly like this. Looking forward to watching your progress.

[nammon]

Took an unused part from rear chassis to make sure on the chassis color. I am separating the color check in three section. First section- no touch, 2nd section- moderate sand blasting, 3rd full system. The result help me a lot to finalize my decision

[nammon]

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[nammon]

A little update... All replacement part on chassis done, now moving to sandblasting process

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[nammon]

What do you guys think about this sample color whether it is close to bronze green for S1 or not. I use the leftover color from the chassis as a guide to do the sample

[Dark61]

All my vehicles are pretty beaten up - so when I see a nice paint job - it doesn't look right to me. You should do what you think is best for you. How are you going to apply it? Roller? Brush? Spray Gun?
cheers,
D

[nammon]

All my vehicles are pretty beaten up - so when I see a nice paint job - it doesn't look right to me. You should do what you think is best for you. How are you going to apply it? Roller? Brush? Spray Gun?
cheers,
D

Spray gun :D

[Dark61]

good luck. Let us know how you get on.
cheers,
D

[Old Farang]

As I live in Bangkok I should try and comment on this thread. I have been holding off while trying to catch up with Nammon, but have not been able to do so yet.

Today I went to the shop that is doing Mammons S1 restoration. Unfortunately the owner was not there, and the couple of workers that were there were at a bit of a loss at what to do with this Old Farang that had wandered in!

The "garage" is difficult to describe if you are not familiar with how these things operate in Thailand. However, it is probably best described as the original "Aladdin's Cave". It just unbelievable what is in there! It would take several days just to try and walk around and take in about half of it. Many jobs in progress, sad remains laying around, more spare engines and wheels stacked up beyond belief! A stack of old S1 rusted out bulkheads just to show how some of the cars were before being worked on. There just does not seem to be any end to it!

He also has a big assortment of metal working machinery, such as a large guillotine, metal folder, etc., etc.

I am not sure if it is permitted, so mods please delete if not, as I will add a URL that has a bunch of photos showing, not only S1, but many other models. It even has a couple of photos of Mr Andrew, whom some of you may know. Cheers.

VATANAYONT LAND ROVER THAILAND @pat_vgarage Instagram profile - Pikore (http://www.pikore.com/pat_vgarage)

[harry]

thanks for sharing that link.
wow, that is an amazing series of photos and they look like nothing is impossible for them.


I would love to visit that workshop also.

[nammon]

A little updates on the paint job

[nammon]

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[nammon]

Next step... will install all the cleaned suspension parts

[nammon]

As I live in Bangkok I should try and comment on this thread. I have been holding off while trying to catch up with Nammon, but have not been able to do so yet.

Today I went to the shop that is doing Mammons S1 restoration. Unfortunately the owner was not there, and the couple of workers that were there were at a bit of a loss at what to do with this Old Farang that had wandered in!

The "garage" is difficult to describe if you are not familiar with how these things operate in Thailand. However, it is probably best described as the original "Aladdin's Cave". It just unbelievable what is in there! It would take several days just to try and walk around and take in about half of it. Many jobs in progress, sad remains laying around, more spare engines and wheels stacked up beyond belief! A stack of old S1 rusted out bulkheads just to show how some of the cars were before being worked on. There just does not seem to be any end to it!

He also has a big assortment of metal working machinery, such as a large guillotine, metal folder, etc., etc.

I am not sure if it is permitted, so mods please delete if not, as I will add a URL that has a bunch of photos showing, not only S1, but many other models. It even has a couple of photos of Mr Andrew, whom some of you may know. Cheers.

VATANAYONT LAND ROVER THAILAND @pat_vgarage Instagram profile - Pikore (http://www.pikore.com/pat_vgarage)


Hello Kevin,
I will go to the garage again within this week. If you available on that day, I will go pick you up :)

[mfc]

Hi nammon,
Been slack on the s one front, been doing a few trips in the defender and have ignored my early 1955 over our winter..
Just a note on the chassis colour, mine had been resprayed green ,but while searching for the chassis number I took it right back to the toxic yellow primer and mine was originally green not black...
There's a few things on 1954/1955 models that are specific to those years ( engine bay wize) can't think of all of them off hand but a major one is the distributor( different points and different vac advance unit). You're electrical system looks totaly different ,but it is a military car so I'd look into that....
Cheers mark

[nammon]

A little updates

[nammon]

Then moving to the front

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[nammon]

Body should be done by next week

[Dinty]

That looks 'Mickey Mouse' cheers Dennis

[digger]

Well, if Dinty says it's good then that's pretty flash!

Looks great. Surely will be one of the best about.

[Don 130]

It looks very flash Nammon, you're doing a great job. Did you regalvanise the cappings or paint then silver?
Don.

[nammon]

It looks very flash Nammon, you're doing a great job. Did you regalvanise the cappings or paint then silver?
Don.

I regalvanised them