Perentie Failed Pits Inspection

[chuckt]

Gday guys,

First official post !

i bought a 1990 Perentie currently licensed in vic and I've just taken it over the pits here in WA and I've been told altho its in tip top condition it doesn't meet VSS? and there for as failed.

Can anyone shed some light on this? something to do with roll bar not being factory and bull bar not being on a 5 deg angle?

its as is from AFM and was rego in vic november last year no problems so i don't understand ?

Thanks heaps

Chuck

[Mick_Marsh]

Photo's would be handy.
Have the roll bar and bull bar been changed?

Welcome to the forum.

If not already, pop on over to the REMLR forum and say gidday there.

[chuckt]

Here we go couple of pics

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/09/901.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/l6an5dmgf/)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/09/902.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/kgxm1xxa3/)

Roll Bar and Bull Bar are as is from as sold at auction.

Ill go have a wonder over to remlr to thanks Mick

Cheers

Chuck

[Homestar]

Welcome to the forum, and congratulations on your purchase. Both the bull bar and roll bar are as it was made, but in some places, there have been a few issues around some items. Unfortunately WA seems to be about the toughest state to register anything. Did they say how you can overcome these issues?

[weeds]

I agree the bush guard is original however the roll bar was fitted later I.e. not at the time of manufacture.......I still doubt the roll bar conforms the the required standard.....I would say to them it a heavy duty canopy bow and not a roll bar.

It's does appear 99% are getting through......is there another pit you can go to?? I'm sure a fellow WAian will point you towards a perentie friendly pit.

[chuckt]

Hey thanks

My problem i think lies not with the inspection place (day auto) they passed it no worries but when he sent of the paperwork to the transport dep they rang back requesting photos of the car and of the roll bar. Then after a 2.5hr wait they emailed the paperwork back saying "failed vss requirements" and that i had to contact vss.

the mechanic got the impression from the rubber stamper that they are trying to stop these cars being rego'd in WA and are going to make it as difficult as possible.

if i can't get it rego in wa ill have to drive all the way back to vic to get a rwc even tho it was done in nov to do a change of ownership to my name at a friends address for 12 months then bring it over under the new rules that mean you don't have to have cars inspected if they have been in your name for 12 months in another state.

[El Rey]

Was about to say the same thing. Look for another pit with someone a bit more understanding. It's not like you're trying to pass a 1000hp Nissan GT-R with NOS that you want to take street racing.

Can you get it complianced in another state and still drive it in WA?

Also, if the roll bar is aftermarket, can you just remove it for the pit?




I agree the bush guard is original however the roll bar was fitted later I.e. not at the time of manufacture.......I still doubt the roll bar conforms the the required standard.....I would say to them it a heavy duty canopy bow and not a roll bar.

It's does appear 99% are getting through......is there another pit you can go to?? I'm sure a fellow WAian will point you towards a perentie friendly pit.

[donh54]

I would talk to VSS people and see what the problem is, before I went driving thousands of kays. The problem is not with the inspection point, but with the beaurocrats in VSS. It could well be something very minor that it needs.

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[Eevo]

Was about to say the same thing. Look for another pit with someone a bit more understanding. It's not like you're trying to pass a 1000hp Nissan GT-R with NOS that you want to take street racing.

dont needs nos to get 1000hp on a GTR

[Blknight.aus]

The rops and front brush guard is not compliant with the new standards

fortunately, they only have to be compliant with the standards of the time the equipment was installed or manufactured.

there are a few people with personal agendas in positions that can use their position to enforce their "desired interpretation" of the rules so they do, I'm guessing you ran into someone like that in the final approving position.


let me know if you need a hand with the supporting documents and specs for the barwork and that it is and ADI designed and approved OEM fitment (rememebr the perentie is not just a landrover product, its built to a specification for a specific customer so some of the hardware is not listed as approved for fitment to a "landrover" as the beurotapers know it.)

of course the easiest thing to do would be to simply point out that, theres precedence, there are other perenties already in WA rego so its all already processed and has approval.

[El Rey]

dont needs nos to get 1000hp on a GTR

Agreed. I meant 1000hp plus a NOS boost.

[chuckt]

WA Registration Requirements for Land Rover Perentie

Ok so after a long talk with the transport department today i have been informed that they are now going about creating a set of black and white rules for licensing a Perentie in Western Australia. These will be available in due course in a form for download or print.

They are as follows in basic form

- Seat belt anchorage and Roll Hoops are to be inspected via the technical or VSS department on a individual basis (21 Murray Rd Sth Welshpool)
- Roll Hoop and Canopy Bars within 1200mm of driver and passengers headspace must be padded with 25mm polyurethane
- "Black Out Lighting" must be removed due to it not being suitable for on road use due to the fact that it turns off the brake lights under certain modes and they must operate at all times
- Tools and Brackets must NOT be secured to bonnet and jerry can racks must not interfere with lighting or drivers view
- Ignition and Immobiliser (if under 25 years of age) must be fitted
- Door locks must be fitted *soft tops can apply for a exemption*
- No passengers can be seated at any time in the rear cargo area seating provided or not
- Bull Bars / Bumpers must not have any protruding objects such as recovery hooks etc
- You will need a weigh bridge ticket on inspection to confirm tare weight.

This will be checked when inspection station is sending paperwork in for final approval from the transport department. Any "Perentie" model Land Rovers will be flagged and photos requested for further investigation by the technical department. If seat belt anchorage and roll hoops cannot be identified within the list approved the inspection will be failed and possible independent engineering certificate might be required.

I might add that the manager I spoke to was very helpful and insightful took all my questions and really knew his stuff. They are aware that the perentie's don't meet ADR or current VSS standards and are trying to create a happy compromise between safety and viability of keeping these cars or the road. He did mention that even tho some aspects don't comply they are now being exempted (such as non compliant front seats etc and roll hoops) in a attempt to make it a simple matter of doing these things on the list and then your 4x4 is set and ready to roll. I would recommend contacting the technical department if you have a Perentie ready to be licensed BEFORE getting it inspected and sending them photos as they request so they can inform you if your roll bar needs any attention etc.

Here ya go folks straight from the horses mouth

Chuck

[Gordie]

I wonder if the state authorities have been getting their heads together...although I dare say not, our state system is countrys within a country.


I say that because the SA inspectors tell me that they will want
1. Keyed ignition
2. Bonnet brackets removed
3. Lift hooks/tow points on brushbar removed


Although the SA list looks not quite as foreboding as your WA list.

[Homestar]

That's good - at least you will be some clear rules to work to.

[chuckt]

Your spot on the paperwork I've seen is a mirror image almost of the requirements that the NT transport department are bringing in in fact it is the paperwork from the NT transport department with a addition about the bull bars

[dingsy]

What do you use as the front recovery point if you have to cut them off!?!?

[chuckt]

they aren't saying you can't have them just that they must not be protruding the bull bar . They seemed to be pretty relaxed on how you went about it as long as long as you let them know

in my case i plan to cut them off and weld in a new plate as per the diagram

http://i.imgur.com/XB1Z772.jpg

[weeds]

What do you use as the front recovery point if you have to cut them off!?!?


Same as just about every other 4WD that needs after market points fitted

[Blknight.aus]

check with them on if its acceptable to simply bypass wire the blackout lights.

as for not meeting ADR...

with the exception of the blackoutlights and the LRPV the perenties re all ADR comliant with the ADR's at the time of manufacture.

[weeds]

WA Registration Requirements for Land Rover Perentie

Ok so after a long talk with the transport department today i have been informed that they are now going about creating a set of black and white rules for licensing a Perentie in Western Australia. These will be available in due course in a form for download or print.

They are as follows in basic form

- Seat belt anchorage and Roll Hoops are to be inspected via the technical or VSS department on a individual basis (21 Murray Rd Sth Welshpool)
- Roll Hoop and Canopy Bars within 1200mm of driver and passengers headspace must be padded with 25mm polyurethane
- "Black Out Lighting" must be removed due to it not being suitable for on road use due to the fact that it turns off the brake lights under certain modes and they must operate at all times
- Tools and Brackets must NOT be secured to bonnet and jerry can racks must not interfere with lighting or drivers view
- Ignition and Immobiliser (if under 25 years of age) must be fitted
- Door locks must be fitted *soft tops can apply for a exemption*
- No passengers can be seated at any time in the rear cargo area seating provided or not
- Bull Bars / Bumpers must not have any protruding objects such as recovery hooks etc
- You will need a weigh bridge ticket on inspection to confirm tare weight.

This will be checked when inspection station is sending paperwork in for final approval from the transport department. Any "Perentie" model Land Rovers will be flagged and photos requested for further investigation by the technical department. If seat belt anchorage and roll hoops cannot be identified within the list approved the inspection will be failed and possible independent engineering certificate might be required.

I might add that the manager I spoke to was very helpful and insightful took all my questions and really knew his stuff. They are aware that the perentie's don't meet ADR or current VSS standards and are trying to create a happy compromise between safety and viability of keeping these cars or the road. He did mention that even tho some aspects don't comply they are now being exempted (such as non compliant front seats etc and roll hoops) in a attempt to make it a simple matter of doing these things on the list and then your 4x4 is set and ready to roll. I would recommend contacting the technical department if you have a Perentie ready to be licensed BEFORE getting it inspected and sending them photos as they request so they can inform you if your roll bar needs any attention etc.

Here ya go folks straight from the horses mouth

Chuck


Umm......I seem the remember posting in relation to some of the points WA has raised and mentioned that a friend of mine (vehicle inspector/blue plate sign off) raised issues and said there unhappy owners and that he wouldn't write a RWC for perenties.

But was shot down........took it on the chin eventually but.........there has been a few threads now and I wonder how many other owners not on AULRO have had issues.

Either way i am still considering buying a rag top and de-militarizing it.

Hope you get it sorted.

[Gordie]

check with them on if its acceptable to simply bypass wire the blackout lights.

as for not meeting ADR...

with the exception of the blackoutlights and the LRPV the perenties re all ADR comliant with the ADR's at the time of manufacture.
As Blknight states, they were ADR compliant at the time of manufacture and have a compliance plate attached....maybe it should be asked of the higher authorities whom now declare them to be unroadworthy...are they suggesting that the Australian Army(ie Aust Govt) has been putting other road users at risk since 1987 with 3000 or so vehicles which don't comply....according to their learned opinions! I wonder which authority would want to make that statement???
I dare say they would rather hide under their bureaucratic desks than make a declaration of that nature.

[chuckt]

After speaking with them again this morning to get some confirmation on the blackout lights. You can have the switch to keep with the "theme" but it must not function. The wiring must be cut and joined in such a way that it can not be easily reconnected after inspection

[Grumbles]

The wiring must be cut and joined in such a way that it can not be easily reconnected after inspection

Is that bureaucratic speak for someones personal opinion/interpretation presented as official regulation?

They'd better look at how wheel nuts can be fastened so that they cannot easily be removed and illegal tyres fitted after inspection.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I wonder if the state authorities have been getting their heads together...although I dare say not, our state system is countrys within a country.
...<snip> .And what is the problem with that, Australia is a federation of independent colonies (states), it has been that way since 1901.

In fact in NSW there are no Australian Road Rules, what we have is a NSW Regulation the "Road Rules 2014 (http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/maintop/view/inforce/subordleg+758+2014+cd+0+N)", which are similar to, but not the same as, the Australian Road Rules.

e.g. No U turns at traffic lights (http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fragview/inforce/subordleg+758+2014+pt.4-div.4-rule.40+0+N'tocnav=y)in NSW.

[Gordie]

And what is the problem with that, Australia is a federation of independent colonies (states), it has been that way since 1901.

In fact in NSW there are no Australian Road Rules, what we have is a NSW Regulation the "Road Rules 2014 (http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/maintop/view/inforce/subordleg+758+2014+cd+0+N)", which are similar to, but not the same as, the Australian Road Rules.

e.g. No U turns at traffic lights (http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fragview/inforce/subordleg+758+2014+pt.4-div.4-rule.40+0+N'tocnav=y)in NSW.
Just because something has 'always been that way' doesn't necessarily make it good or user friendly. Not to mention a house full of MPs for every state, plus the federal parliament...all for our tiny population. But lets not open that can of worms! If it nips in the bud, a political argument which could go on for years....I will say I love the state system...with my fingers crossed behind my back. :-)

[Mick_Marsh]

Just because something has 'always been that way' doesn't necessarily make it good or user friendly. Not to mention a house full of MPs for every state, plus the federal parliament...all for our tiny population. But lets not open that can of worms! If it nips in the bud, a political argument which could go on for years....I will say I love the state system...with my fingers crossed behind my back. :-)
What a good topic.
Take it to CA, please. We don't want it here.

[Gordie]

What a good topic.
Take it to CA, please. We don't want it here.
Totally agree....back to the topic.

[chuckt]

Honestly I don't think what they are asking is all that problematic. From the conversations I've had with the guys in the transport department are more than happy to answer any questions and work with you to get your car licensed. Just dont be a dick treat em how you would want to be treated and it's all good. On my first call after failing the inspection when I got thru to someone senior I said "hi my names Chuck I have a landy that's failed inspection. who do need to bribe?!" He thought it was hilarious

Also a quote from remlr which sums up the legalities

"State legislation is in addition to any ADR's; therefore what the WA Govt has done is legal and enforceable"

Chuck

[Gordie]

Exactly mate, I made contact with them here when I registered an ex usa motorcycle, and they were more than helpful in outlining what I would need, and what the options were. I dare say from my initial contact re a perentie, that they will be reasonable about it when I get to present one to them.


Years ago I used to have to take my cars/bikes/semi's over the pit for a rwc every six months...I found that if one goes in with a good attitude...one drives away with a rwc....if one goes in arrogantly...well....you take your chances.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Just because something has 'always been that way' doesn't necessarily make it good or user friendly. Not to mention a house full of MPs for every state, plus the federal parliament...all for our tiny population. But lets not open that can of worms! If it nips in the bud, a political argument which could go on for years....I will say I love the state system...with my fingers crossed behind my back. :-)

I'm not saying that just because it has been so should it always be. What I am saying is that as a federation some aspects of life, like defence of the continent are rightfully controlled by a central (federal) government, while others are controlled by state governments, it is the very presence of the state governments that restricts the excesses of the commonwealth and vice versa. If it weren't so we'd have a 15-20%GST on everything and there would be no aged pension and no tax on the mega wealthy.

As we are seeing with registering a Perentie, its difficult in WA, how would it be if the whole of Australia was as difficult as WA?

[Blknight.aus]

Exactly mate, I made contact with them here when I registered an ex usa motorcycle, and they were more than helpful in outlining what I would need, and what the options were. I dare say from my initial contact re a perentie, that they will be reasonable about it when I get to present one to them.


Years ago I used to have to take my cars/bikes/semi's over the pit for a rwc every six months...I found that if one goes in with a good attitude...one drives away with a rwc....if one goes in arrogantly...well....you take your chances.

I have no issues with a vehicle not meeting a state requirement. or a local regulation.. What gets me every time is when the person presenting the issue is incorrect OR provides you with duff gen. with a few varient exceptions, perenties, provided they are in a fully comliant build state with the ADR plate and the mod late attached and correctly drilled are, with the exception of the blackout lights, completely compliant with the ADR's because ADRS are not retrospective.

VSR, VSS, good luck. generally you should be ok but I wouldnt want to be passing more than a surface glance at them pick a technical aregument in those realms and at best your odds are 50/50. the best argument you have is basically, predates those rules therefore not applicable.. and even then thats not entirely true.

IF.

your ADR plate is missing, damaged, defaced, not correctly attached
your MOD plate is missing, damaged, defaced, not correctly attached and not correctly drilled
your CAPO plate doesnt match up in any respect
there is any non approved mod work or repairs using non approved parts or parts replaced with non aproved parts

then you don't have a leg to stand on, because, technical bureaucratic reasons. and trust me, they dont need very much to knock back your rego legitimately.

[chuckt]

whats a capo plate and mod plate?

any chance of some pics?

I'm just passing on what info I'm getting id rather have a fully compliant ex mil perentie and then i should have no dramas with the police etc etc I'm over the days of big lift big tyres n all that jazz

[isuzutoo-eh]

Stick a rubber bumper to the bull bar that projects further than the recovery points and you shouldn't need to go near an angle grinder. Trucks often have suitable rubber U shaped bumpers on the back where fork lifts would hit them.

[Gordie]

Stick a rubber bumper to the bull bar that projects further than the recovery points and you shouldn't need to go near an angle grinder. Trucks often have suitable rubber U shaped bumpers on the back where fork lifts would hit them.
Good point...had forgotten about those on semi trailer fridge vans etc, rubber bumpers for backing up to docks etc, a couple of those on the front of the bush bar would do the trick.

[Bearman]

All the Bushranger 6X6's including mine don't have a capo plate. I thought someone must have pinched mine but all the ones sold since with ARN's close to mine don't have one either. Guess someone decided they didn't need one.

[chuckt]

Stick a rubber bumper to the bull bar that projects further than the recovery points and you shouldn't need to go near an angle grinder. Trucks often have suitable rubber U shaped bumpers on the back where fork lifts would hit them.


to late.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/09/748.jpg


:P I'm happy to cut mine off and reweld them on. Dads a veteran boily and head of quality control at the engineering firm he works at. So no dramas to get it modified and transport dep are happy to sign off on it

[Blknight.aus]

All the Bushranger 6X6's including mine don't have a capo plate. I thought someone must have pinched mine but all the ones sold since with ARN's close to mine don't have one either. Guess someone decided they didn't need one.

not everything gets a capo plate, having one just makes it easier to prove how it came to the system. IF you have it, it must match, but it doesnt matter if you dont have one...

[chuckt]

Recovery points moved . Check!

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/09/726.jpg

[slug_burner]

CAPO, I think stands for Contract And Purchase Order. The plate contains the Contract number used to purchase the item to which the plate is attached to. There is other information on the plate like the equipment official nomenclature. The department will have the files for the contract with the specifications used to buy the vehicles. I doubt the CAPO plate has any bearing on your ability to register a vehicle. It is part of the provenance of the vehicle just like the Army Registration Number (ARN) helps you in establishing to what unit the vehicle was issued the CAPO number will help you link the vehicle to a contract.

[chuckt]

Thanks mate :).

Recovery points painted today. I thought id make it nice n easy for the transport department to tell whats been modified

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/09/703.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/09/704.jpg

[Perentie Brad]

Hi Chuck,
I left mine registered at my folks place in Sydney for just that reason but I have seen plenty here in WA registered so possibly just a disgruntle person, like my drivers license some in the motor registry told me I needed a HR license rather than a LR for my sixby because it had 3 axles.
Try another registry or as commented above check if the new compliance's were made retrospective hopefully in 5 months my chang over will be smooth, where in WA are you?
Brad

[isuzurover]

I have seen several Perenties driving around on WA plates without any mods to the parts mentioned here. A member on here who I will not name in case DoT are reading also got a (1985?) 120 over the pits (the govt pits before they started farming out inspections) with a perentie bulbar and tool holders fitted.

Maybe they got in early before this apparent crackdown?

Also keep in mind that last I checked if you have owned the vehicle interstate for >12 months it does not need to be inspected.

[LandyAndy]

Hi Chuck,
I left mine registered at my folks place in Sydney for just that reason but I have seen plenty here in WA registered so possibly just a disgruntle person, like my drivers license some in the motor registry told me I needed a HR license rather than a LR for my sixby because it had 3 axles.
Try another registry or as commented above check if the new compliance's were made retrospective hopefully in 5 months my chang over will be smooth, where in WA are you?
Brad

I have a WA Dpt Transport MDL class codes card here.
It states.
LR max 8t GVM(no axle limit)
MR more than 8t GVM(2 axle only)
HR more than 8t GVM(no axle limit); +/- trailer(max 9t GVM)

I guess the GVM is the deciding factor,what is the GVM rating of a 6x6???
Andrew

[rovernutter]

I have a WA Dpt Transport MDL class codes card here.
It states.
LR max 8t GVM(no axle limit)
MR more than 8t GVM(2 axle only)
HR more than 8t GVM(no axle limit); +/- trailer(max 9t GVM)

I guess the GVM is the deciding factor,what is the GVM rating of a 6x6???
Andrew
6x6 5.6t GVM
You can drive a vehicle with a GVM of up to 4.5t or 12 seats on a car license.

[Perentie Brad]

I have a WA Dpt Transport MDL class codes card here.
It states.
LR max 8t GVM(no axle limit)
MR more than 8t GVM(2 axle only)
HR more than 8t GVM(no axle limit); +/- trailer(max 9t GVM)

I guess the GVM is the deciding factor,what is the GVM rating of a 6x6???
Andrew

Thanks Andy that's the same answer I got I ended up doing a HR in case a copper in some remote area decided I needed HR because of the 3 axles, I did it through RAC great not to have to deal with DoT for a change.
:)

[isuzurover]

Thanks Andy that's the same answer I got I ended up doing a HR in case a copper in some remote area decided I needed HR because of the 3 axles, I did it through RAC great not to have to deal with DoT for a change.
:)

How much was the RAC course?