Perentie RFSV Roll bar/rear seat.

[Jerry777]

Hi All, trying to get seat approval, but Queensland doesn't recognize the roll bar or back seat (which needs the roll bar). Does anyone have an engineers report/detailed installation drawings for either? as I can greatly reduce costs on getting an engineer to certify. I have tried the manufacturers who wont even respond and land rover are not very helpful either. I only access my account every few days so thanks in advance
Cheers Jerry

[BadCo.]

Would the RPS page be good enough?

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[Blknight.aus]

The RM detailsthe parts and the EMEI for the vareint includes the fitting instructions.

ask them if they've EVER tried to get a design change for something past ADF/ADI.

the process involved makes dealing with government vogons seem appealing.

[weeds]

I doubt you wi get an engineer report.......

There should be install instructions available for the ROPS......but all the ROPS is is a bit of tube bolted to the body.........they do not run down to the chassis like every other ROPS is required to do.

[dingsy]

I doubt you wi get an engineer report....... There should be install instructions available for the ROPS......but all the ROPS is is a bit of tube bolted to the body.........they do not run down to the chassis like every other ROPS is required to do.

I presume this may be a key benefit when convincing the inspector that it is in fact a heavy duty hoodstick setup rather than a roll bar.

[weeds]

I presume this may be a key benefit when convincing the inspector that it is in fact a heavy duty hoodstick setup rather than a roll bar.


Yes, remove all stickers.......and its s hood stick.

[Landybitz]

You will not get approval, been there and a big no no.

Also side facing seats Re GS can no longer be approved in QLD.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

You will not get approval, been there and a big no no.

Also side facing seats Re GS can no longer be approved in QLD.A couple of comments: The rear seat in an RFSV is rearward facing.
The compliance for side facing seats is at the date of the vehicle's manufacture/date of modification (fitting the seats). Not today. If it were the case that side facing seats were outlawed, then the hundreds of Toyota Land-Cruiser Troopy's with side facing seats would be banned too. Mostly you'll find them on Fraser Island.

BTW: Outside the above comments, I'd never have a friend of mine sitting in a sideways facing seat, seat-belt, full-harness or otherwise. Riding in that alignment is just not safe.

[Gordie]

A couple of comments:
The rear seat in an RFSV is rearward facing.
The compliance for side facing seats is at the date of the vehicle's manufacture/date of modification (fitting the seats). Not today.
If it were the case that side facing seats were outlawed, then the hundreds of Toyota Land-Cruiser Troopy's with side facing seats would be banned too. Mostly you'll find them on Fraser Island.

BTW: Outside the above comments, I'd never have a friend of mine sitting in a sideways facing seat, seat-belt, full-harness or otherwise. Riding in that alignment is just not safe.
Agree re the side facing seats, other than slow paddock trips, wouldn't recommend it on the road.
Re the rear facing seats...that brings back distant memories of our kids being in rear facing baby seats, that was a long time ago, is that still done?....if so, that would be a tick for a rear facing seat??

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Gordie

If you notice buses only have forward or rearward facing seats these days.

The reason is that from crash research, the risk of serious or fatal spinal injuries for passengers seated in sideways facing seats is significantly greater than forwards or rearwards facing seats. Even with relatively minor crashes or even sudden changes of direction or velocity, it is something like a factor of 4. (400% greater risk)

[Gordie]

Hi Gordie

If you notice buses only have forward or rearward facing seats these days.

The reason is that from crash research, the risk of serious or fatal spinal injuries for passengers seated in sideways facing seats is significantly greater than forwards or rearwards facing seats. Even with relatively minor crashes or even sudden changes of direction or velocity, it is something like a factor of 4. (400% greater risk)
Hi Lotz, actually you bring up a good point I hadn't thought of there, our trains in SA have some side facing seats still!!


But yes, re the rear facing seats, along with rear facing baby seats, rear facing bus seats, with no seatbelts, must be good ammo to reinforce the argument for that rear facing seat in the abovementioned perentie.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi Lotz, actually you bring up a good point I hadn't thought of there, our trains in SA have some side facing seats still!!


But yes, re the rear facing seats, along with rear facing baby seats, rear facing bus seats, with no seatbelts, must be good ammo to reinforce the argument for that rear facing seat in the abovementioned perentie.The seat would also need seatbelts with approved anchorages, but a better comparison would be the rear facing paramedic seats in some ambulances.

[Corgie Carrier]

Troopys on Fraser Island are no longer permitted to have side seating, they must have forward facing seats. So all the hire company troopys have been converted to 6 seat versions for that exact reason.

[Jerry777]

Hi Gordie/Lotz, It appears that the rear facing seat is not the major problem except for the seat belt harness, but the seat wont be addressed until the roll bar is, The RFSV in my opinion has a pretty sturdy roll bar, except as previously stated is bolted to what appears to be a 6mm plate welded onto the top of the bin? unsure what is below as it is well covered.
Regards

[Jerry777]

Think I'm on the same page but not quite the detail I'm looking for thanks.

[Jerry777]

You will not get approval, been there and a big no no.

Also side facing seats Re GS can no longer be approved in QLD.
Looks like you will be right Lotsa, will keep post informed on progress but it's going to be a long road.

[Mick_Marsh]

Hi Gordie

If you notice buses only have forward or rearward facing seats these days.


Not in Melbourne.
Still a few buses with side facing seats about. It allows more people to stand.
On the trains and trams they are removing some forward and rear facing seats and installing side facing seats so they can pack more standing people into them.

[Blknight.aus]

the current range of side facing seats on busses and trains are for disable access.

on the GS seats

legal under ADR, not so under VRS/VSS (yes the V stands for Vogon)

you may have them fitted, you may not have them included in the seating count you may not have people seated on them while the vehicle is in motion and anywhere you will have insurance coverage. (basicaly)

yes, with judicuos use off the hand throttle it is possible if you have skinny drivers do driver changes in a GS without stoping. and yes with a trunk stood on its edge between the seats the GS seats are surprsingly comfortable to sleep on, you put your pack up by the bulkhead and put your legs up on that, keep your webbing straps over youre shoulders and use the belt and pouching to support and cushion your head and shoulders. It is, or was,bb a good way to miss everything from the front gate of tindal to the boom gates of robertsons

[Landybitz]

A couple of comments: The rear seat in an RFSV is rearward facing.
The compliance for side facing seats is at the date of the vehicle's manufacture/date of modification (fitting the seats). Not today. If it were the case that side facing seats were outlawed, then the hundreds of Toyota Land-Cruiser Troopy's with side facing seats would be banned too. Mostly you'll find them on Fraser Island.

BTW: Outside the above comments, I'd never have a friend of mine sitting in a sideways facing seat, seat-belt, full-harness or otherwise. Riding in that alignment is just not safe.

We were not talking about all side ways facing seats, we were talking side way facing seats in Perentie soft tops, nor are we talking about vehicles that all ready have certification, we were talking about vehicles seeking certification new approval in the future in QLD.

Nor were we talking about people who maybe willing and able to circumnavigate the QLD transport compliance regulators. This is a new ruling and may take sometime to filter down to all the companying agents.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

We were not talking about all side ways facing seats, we were talking side way facing seats in Perentie soft tops, ...Have you taken a look at the title of this thread?
Perentie RFSV Roll bar/rear seat

[Landybitz]

Of course I bloody have.

The single rear seat will not pass certification either in its current form in QLD.

[Blknight.aus]

RFSV rear seats shouldnt pass as the seatbelts are 5 point and approved to the standards. the seat mounting itself is marginal but in theory should pass but I personally (meaning because Im already aware it probably wasnt going to pass and was just trying my luck) would not be upset if I got pinged on the seat and would just register it as a two seater then do the rework required to get it to pass on a subsequent 3 seat rego.

yes I know the 5 points are better than whats required but they are not approved, from memory theres also an anchorage issue for them.

Same caveat applies from the GS rear seats.

you can have it but you cant use it in the fashion it was intended.

theres another couple of technical issues with that varient that I dont want to put somewhere that can be searched, the vogons can do the hard yards themselves..