Hand Winch

[Crocodile Dundee]

Good Morning, Looking to purchase a Hand Winch , can anybody recommend a Quality Brand and what to look out for and were to purchase from in Melbourne
and what are the pros and cons of a hand winch :p:p:p:p:p

[roverrescue]

Good Brand: My ancient "blackrat" has never let me down. When I bought I couldnt afford a Tirfor.

Pros:
1/ it will work as long as you have beer to power it
2/ on a few occasions even despite having vehicle mounted winches the hand winch has been the ONLY useful winching device - such as:
-You can carry it through a kilometer of mud and winch a stuck hilux from tree to tree to tree for a day or so to get them out of bother. No way I was going to drive the fender into that quagmire and even I dont carry enough dyneema for 1km of winching.
-You can use the hand winch to stabilise a fourby trying to have a lie down on its side and easily and slowly support it onto its feet whilst the front winch pulls it forward
3/It fits behind the back seats in the 130 cab so you would be crazy not to keep it at all times

Cons :
1/beer consumption can increase with repeated use.
2/really honestly there are no cons to having both - but if I was only allowed one type of recovery winch I would find it hard to give up a 12000lb winch and 200m of Dyneema.
Where you travel may be different to me - I dont even own a snatch strap for example.

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[SSmith]

I have had a good run with the TJM branded one.
Did not like the Magnum branded one - same size as tjm but rated at half the capacity and an absolute PITA to operate.

The good ole Tirfor branded ones were good, no recent experience with them tho.

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[Tank]

"Tirfor" brand, original and the best, a good snatch block can halve the effort required to winch your vehicle, but only if attached to the vehicle with the Tirfor attached to an anchor point, (tree, etc.), run tirfor cable through snatch block and back to anchor point. An appropriate size wheel dia. and groove profile is necessary for winch cable used in a Tirfor, purchase from Rigging Supply shops, like Bullivants, much better array of stock and all rated, Regards Frank.





Good Morning, Looking to purchase a Hand Winch , can anybody recommend a Quality Brand and what to look out for and were to purchase from in Melbourne
and what are the pros and cons of a hand winch :p:p:p:p:p

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I love my Tirfor.

AFAIK it is the only one rated by WorkCover etc to be used as a rigging device, suspending a person.

It can be used to support or right a rolled vehicle in a precarious situation while it is recovered by other power winches.

It is an easy operation and never stops because of a relay or hand control problem or dead engine.

I use it putting project vehicles/farm/barn finds onto car trailers all the time. It's slow controlled movement of the vehicle onto the trailer is much safer than a power winch in that situation.

[Bushie]

I have an old 'Brano' (I believe a copy of early tirfor) it's never missed a beat in 30+ years, but then I try like buggery not to have to use it.

(there's one on Gumtree for $180 now)


Martyn

[Wicks89]

I have a tirfor I scored from a cash converters for 40 BUCKS! I have used tirfors a lot for work, sometimes for offroading and recovery but mostly for assembling bridges and emplacing large objects like concrete tetrahedrons.

A tirfor is only limited by your imagnation and length of available cable. Flip rolled vehicles, pull them sideways, backwards, off camber, whatever you want!
Use it as a crane if you have some sort of overhead anchor point, operate a captive raft/ferry. Seriously awesome bits of gear.

The only con is that if you have chicken arms you will find it hard. Also, if you mistakenly think youre some tough customer and pay off using riggers gloves while using the steel wire rope you can get some NASTY injuries. But thats no change from a winch really.

Go for a reputable brand, Tirfor, TJM, something like that. My tirfor is 16t flat pull, 8t verticle from memory.

[Crocodile Dundee]

My mind is now made up thank you everybody for there great advice
Now the fun begins to find a Tirfor Hand winch,
what size should l get does anybody know to pull out all the Toyotas and Mitsis:wasntme:
and were to purchase one from in Melbourne and what should l be looking for any recommendations would be appreciated , once l get it i will post a feww photos thanks to all
Long, Live, Defender
Crocodile Dundee

[numpty]

You will want a Tirfor TU16, rated at 1.6 T lift. The next size up is huge. I have an older Brano too which works just fine.

[Roverlord off road spares]

what size should l get does anybody know to pull out all the Toyotas and Mitsis:wasntme:

Crocodile Dundee
Why would you want to use and dirty your recovery gear, let them use theirs.:D

A hand winch also puts the operator very close to the cable. Again let them use theirs and do the hard work. and risk getting hit by a cable :D
Cheers, Mario;)

[Tank]

Seems to be a lot of false info out there about the dangers of breaking wire cable.
First up, it is wise to keep away from a working wire cable, also a good idea to place a safety blanket over cable.
Why, because when a wire cable fails it does not often fail instantly at one particular spot.
Usually the first sign of a wire cable about to part is a single wire (or a few together) start to rapidly unwind (from their twist) with a corresponding whipping sound.
The wire/s will travel quickly away from the break point unravelling toward their respective ends of the cable.
That's why a safety blanket is needed to restrain those fast travelling sharp wires.
If a cable broke instantly at one spot, no safety blanket would restrain it.
Wire cables usually brake at damaged points, kinks, broken wires (spiders) or at a non thimble hook eye.
Snatch blocks cause kinks, too small a wheel dia., groove too wide or too narrow, also binding and improper lay on winch drum.
So remember if you have 50 ft. of winch cable out and it breaks dead centre you will have up to 25' of single wires whizzing around your head at break the sound barrier speeds, or if it breaks at one end you could have 50' of razor wire flailing about.
Gist of the story, KEEP WELL AWAY.
BUT if you're observant, and you should be you will see the early signs of a single or few wires starting to unravel, you should be able to halt the winching or get the **** outta there, chains and synthetic ropes give no pre-failure warnings, Regards Frank.















Why would you want to use and dirty your recovery gear, let them use theirs.:D

A hand winch also puts the operator very close to the cable. Again let them use theirs and do the hard work. and risk getting hit by a cable :D
Cheers, Mario;)

[Bushie]

Most hand winches are rated at lower figures that vehicle mounted winches, but have larger diam cable. Never heard of anybody breaking the cable on a handwinch - only shearpins.

Martyn

[slug_burner]

Hand winches, all 4X4 shops will have them, I doubt that there is much between them. I have two Tirfors, I have never used them in a recovery as they are a deterrent from getting bogged. Just when you don't have one is when you get bogged. I have used mine to straighten old sheds starting to lean over, pull shrubs out of the ground.

If you are after a new one Nobles rigging supplies in Melb will have a good product, when looking for a second hand one try and get one with an original handle. A big piece of water pipe will do but it is heavier than the purpose built handle.

[dero]

+1 for the Tirfors , I have 2 of them ...A T16 which is bullet proof & does what ever you want with ease [ on the winches part ] & a T7 which I have not used to recover a vehicle , but I suspect it would handle the job if used correctly .The T16 is a lump of a thing that you would not want to carry very far .
Be warned, they require a good deal of phisical effort .
Both are old & 2nd hand when I aquired them , but both have been faultless .

[123rover50]

Still have this old TU16.
Still have the FC as well but the Wagon was left in the Bay of Island N.Z.
It got me out of trouble then and may well do again.
I have posted this before but forgive an old bloke reminiscing over his youth.
Bougainville early 70,s
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Keith

[Sitec]

Tirfor all day long from this camp too!! Stowed under the floor of the 101, my T516 goes everywhere the 101 goes. Re purchase, Gumtree is your friend!! Here's one I found just now.. There are several in several states. :)

Hand Winch | Tirfor T516 | Other Parts & Accessories | Gumtree Australia Maroochydore Area - Mountain Creek | 1089460839 (http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/mountain-creek/other-parts-accessories/hand-winch-tirfor-t516/1089460839)

[cripesamighty]

Finally managed to replace the lost handle for my Tirfor. I am now one happy camper!