Grille id :)

[jamesnedtaylor]

went out to get some landy parts and came across this grill thought it was the same as mine but this sticks out any help id it will be great :)

cheers James

[67hardtop]

Hi James, the grille is 1967 to 69 late s2a aussie assembled before the headlights were moved to the front guards as in s3. The later s2a with the s3 type headlights also had a steel grille, where the s3 had a plastic one. Hope this helps.

Cheers Rod

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[jamesnedtaylor]

Yeah it dies thanks hohars said it could be off a 2a six cyl aswell :)

[67hardtop]

Hi, yes the Hohars are, as always, correct. They are such a good source of info and spare parts too. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Cheers Rod

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[jamesnedtaylor]

Like a Wikipedia for landy lovers and a Coles for parts :)

[67hardtop]

Like a Wikipedia for landy lovers and a Coles for parts :)

Yup :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

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[will d8r]

Here is another S2 grill I am wondering why the round hole

[67hardtop]

Prob had an electric fan old skool style

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[mick88]

This might throw some light on your question!

Cheers, Mick.

I just realized it doesn't have the grill in question pictured!
However they were on the 2A six cylinder and the late 2A four cylinder.
(May have been exclusive to Australia only as most others of the same era had the cross shaped (Chevron)
grill third row, left hand side.)
Someone else will have a better idea.

[crackers]

Got a better quality picture Mick? I can't read the text. :(

[mick88]

Got a better quality picture Mick? I can't read the text. :(

Sadly that is the best I could find. :(

[will d8r]

Had a thought maybe gill is from a 6.Somewhere I seen a round badge with Rover 6 on it.
This one is in a scrapys yard.

[digger]

I like the throwback of this grille..
http://www.defendericon.com/images/stock/48_grille.jpg
Spotlights behind grille reminicent of '48

[jamesnedtaylor]

is there anything land rover you guys dont know ;)

[crackers]

is there anything land rover you guys dont know ;)

The maximum airspeed velocity of a sparrow, African or English :D



(Monty Python and the Holy Grail reference)

[digger]

The maximum airspeed velocity of a sparrow, African or English :D



(Monty Python and the Holy Grail reference)

If you are going to go there, go all the way man!!

Guard: Who goes there?

King Arthur: It is I, Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, from the castle of Camelot. King of the Britons, defeater of the Saxons, Sovereign of all England!

Guard: Pull the other one!

King Arthur: I am, and this is my trusty servant Patsy. We have ridden the length and breadth of the land in search of knights who will join me in my court at Camelot. I must speak with your lord and master.

Guard: What? Ridden on a horse?

King Arthur: Yes!

Guard: You're using coconuts!

King Arthur: What?

Guard: You've got two empty halves of coconut and you're bangin' 'em together.

King Arthur: So? We have ridden since the snows of winter covered this land, through the kingdom of Mercia, through...

Guard: Where'd you get the coconuts?

King Arthur: We found them.

Guard: Found them? In Mercia?! The coconut's tropical!

King Arthur: What do you mean?

Guard: Well, this is a temperate zone.

King Arthur: The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?

Guard: Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?

King Arthur: Not at all. They could be carried.
1st soldier with a keen interest in birds: What? A swallow carrying a coconut?

King Arthur: It could grip it by the husk!

Guard: It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.

King Arthur: Well, it doesn't matter. Will you go and tell your master that Arthur from the Court of Camelot is here?

Guard: Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?

King Arthur: Please!

Guard: Am I right?

or

Bridgekeeper: Stop. Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.

Sir Lancelot: Ask me the questions, bridgekeeper. I am not afraid.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your name?

Sir Lancelot: My name is Sir Lancelot of Camelot.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?

Sir Lancelot: To seek the Holy Grail.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your favourite colour?

Sir Lancelot: Blue.

Bridgekeeper: Right. Off you go.

Sir Lancelot: Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. [Crosses the bridge]

Sir Robin: That's easy!
[The other knights rush to the bridge keeper]

Bridgekeeper: Stop. Who approacheth the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.

Sir Robin: Ask me the questions, bridgekeeper. I'm not afraid.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your name?

Sir Robin: Sir Robin of Camelot.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?

Sir Robin: To seek the Holy Grail.

Bridgekeeper: What... is the capital of Assyria? [pause]

Sir Robin: I don't know that. [he is thrown over the edge into the ravine by an unseen force] AUUUUUUUUGGGH!

[Galahad prepares to cross, and the Bridgekeeper stops him]

Bridgekeeper: Stop. What... is your name?

Sir Galahad: Sir Galahad of Camelot.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?

Galahad: I seek the Grail.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your favourite colour?

Sir Galahad: Blue-no! [he is also thrown over the edge] YEELLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW!

Bridgekeeper: [Chuckling at Galahad's demise, then turns to Arthur] Stop. What... is your name?

King Arthur: It is 'Arthur', King of the Britons.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?

King Arthur: To seek the Holy Grail.

Bridgekeeper: What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

King Arthur: What do you mean? An African or a European swallow?

Bridgekeeper: Huh? I... I don't know that. [he is thrown over by his own spell] AUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGHHH!!

Sir Bedevere: How do you know so much about swallows?

King Arthur: Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.



---sorry to take this a bit off topic but that reference was up in my "grille" :) (sorry for that joke too)

[jamesnedtaylor]

If you are going to go there, go all the way man!!

Guard: Who goes there?

King Arthur: It is I, Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, from the castle of Camelot. King of the Britons, defeater of the Saxons, Sovereign of all England!

Guard: Pull the other one!

King Arthur: I am, and this is my trusty servant Patsy. We have ridden the length and breadth of the land in search of knights who will join me in my court at Camelot. I must speak with your lord and master.

Guard: What? Ridden on a horse?

King Arthur: Yes!

Guard: You're using coconuts!

King Arthur: What?

Guard: You've got two empty halves of coconut and you're bangin' 'em together.

King Arthur: So? We have ridden since the snows of winter covered this land, through the kingdom of Mercia, through...

Guard: Where'd you get the coconuts?

King Arthur: We found them.

Guard: Found them? In Mercia?! The coconut's tropical!

King Arthur: What do you mean?

Guard: Well, this is a temperate zone.

King Arthur: The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plover may seek warmer climes in winter, yet these are not strangers to our land?

Guard: Are you suggesting that coconuts migrate?

King Arthur: Not at all. They could be carried.
1st soldier with a keen interest in birds: What? A swallow carrying a coconut?

King Arthur: It could grip it by the husk!

Guard: It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.

King Arthur: Well, it doesn't matter. Will you go and tell your master that Arthur from the Court of Camelot is here?

Guard: Listen. In order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty-three times every second, right?

King Arthur: Please!

Guard: Am I right?

or

Bridgekeeper: Stop. Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.

Sir Lancelot: Ask me the questions, bridgekeeper. I am not afraid.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your name?

Sir Lancelot: My name is Sir Lancelot of Camelot.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?

Sir Lancelot: To seek the Holy Grail.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your favourite colour?

Sir Lancelot: Blue.

Bridgekeeper: Right. Off you go.

Sir Lancelot: Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. [Crosses the bridge]

Sir Robin: That's easy!
[The other knights rush to the bridge keeper]

Bridgekeeper: Stop. Who approacheth the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.

Sir Robin: Ask me the questions, bridgekeeper. I'm not afraid.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your name?

Sir Robin: Sir Robin of Camelot.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?

Sir Robin: To seek the Holy Grail.

Bridgekeeper: What... is the capital of Assyria? [pause]

Sir Robin: I don't know that. [he is thrown over the edge into the ravine by an unseen force] AUUUUUUUUGGGH!

[Galahad prepares to cross, and the Bridgekeeper stops him]

Bridgekeeper: Stop. What... is your name?

Sir Galahad: Sir Galahad of Camelot.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?

Galahad: I seek the Grail.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your favourite colour?

Sir Galahad: Blue-no! [he is also thrown over the edge] YEELLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW!

Bridgekeeper: [Chuckling at Galahad's demise, then turns to Arthur] Stop. What... is your name?

King Arthur: It is 'Arthur', King of the Britons.

Bridgekeeper: What... is your quest?

King Arthur: To seek the Holy Grail.

Bridgekeeper: What... is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?

King Arthur: What do you mean? An African or a European swallow?

Bridgekeeper: Huh? I... I don't know that. [he is thrown over by his own spell] AUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGHHH!!

Sir Bedevere: How do you know so much about swallows?

King Arthur: Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.



---sorry to take this a bit off topic but that reference was up in my "grille" :) (sorry for that joke too)
Speaking of grills is there a sub topic on the series group for the id/changes of them all it could help others out maybe admins can help :)

[mick88]

My 1971 88" 2A which is different again.


Cheers, Mick.

[digger]

A quick grille guide (as I see it, I stand to be corrected and likely will be :) )


If they are headlamps on the radiator support panel, it will be a Land Rover Series I, II, or Early IIA. So '48 to about '67.

If there are no headlamps on the radiator support panel and are on the front of the wings, you are probably looking at a Transitional IIA, Late IIA, Series III, (or obviously a Stage I or Defender.)

However, if the headlights are on the 'wings" and if the front grille is not made of plastic, with the name "Land Rover" moulded into it, it is most likely not a Series III, but a Transitional or Late Series IIA.

If the headlights are recessed into the radiator grille, look at how the headlights are mounted this will show you which model it is.

If the grille covers the headlamps, (which hang down from the radiator support panel and behind the grille) you are looking at an early Series I 80".
(48-50)
If the headlights come through circles cut in the the grille, but the grille still covers the entire radiator panel, you are looking at a mid 80".
(50-53)

The headlight/ grille arrangement from the late 80" to the Series IIA was very similar.

These have the headlights inboard in the radiator support panel
Series I:
Early 80" have the headlights behind the grille
Mid 80" has headlights surrounded by the grille.

Late 80" and 86" have an aluminium radiator support panel with four holes for airflow.

An 88" has a steel radiator support panel with one large rectangular hole for airflow.

An 80" and 88" have chrome headlight rims.

An 86" has body colour painted brass headlight rims, inverted T grille, of weaved flat strap construction.

Series II: A steel radiator support panel with three holes for airflow, chrome headlight rims, inverted T grille - made of mesh not woven.

Early Series IIA: A steel radiator support panel with three holes for airflow, chrome headlight rims, inverted T grille.

These have the headlights outboard in the front 'wing' panels

Land Rover Series III and late IIA Headlights outboard (in the wings)

Transitional IIA: Steel radiator support panel with three holes for airflow, an almost rectangular grille. (inverted T where narrower top portion is 3 squares high.)

Late Series IIA: Steel radiator support panel with three holes for airflow, a large steel grille shaped like a fat plus sign. (narrower top portion 3 squares high, bottom narrow portion 1 1/2 squares high)

Series III: Steel radiator support panel with three holes for airflow, a large plastic grille. normally silver coloured with LAND ROVER type badge pressed into the top of the grille.

SIII, Stage One: Grille pushed/brought out to equal the front of wings, wire square mesh grille

Defender: Grille pushed out to front of wings. Black slatted plastic with small plastic land rover badge normally in bottom left hand corner (pass side)

This is all just as I see it and I may be wrong in some aspects but its got me by until now :) Hope it helps

[crackers]

Cripes Digger, I'll have to print that out and take it to car shows, there's no way I'd remember enough of it to get my head around it :angel:

[mick88]

What about this one Digger? ;)


Cheers, Mick.

[Dinty]

My guess is that the rad/sup panel is ex military as it has the 2 holes to remove the relay, the openings for the lights have been covered with a steel mesh, it has a 186 Holden engine fitted and is sporting the L/R 6 badge, and the Land Rover badge is probably not what it should be, if assembled in after a certain date would the grille badge be 'Rover Australia' cheers Dennis

[digger]

Beat me by miles but I recall our conversation whilst peeking under the bonnet at Melrose!! So I could have guessed,.... honest!!

But it does run sweet and thats the most accurate badging I've seen on a holden engined landy!!!

OK ready for the next one...... :twisted:

[B.S.F.]

Because of it's crudeness, compared to a Series 1 woven flat strip grille I'm used to, I always assumed this was a homemade grille. It came off a S2a ex-army fire tender. Now looking at mick88's grille which is very similar, I'm not so sure. Were these grilles made by the army? .W.

[mick88]

BSF it's the real deal.
There seems to be so many variants of series Land Rover grills it is mind boggling. Sometimes I think if the vehicle was assembled after lunch it had a different grill fitted to it as opposed to the AM version!


Cheers, Mick.

[The ho har's]

Speaking of grills Mick88. Do you still want the chevron one?

Mrs hh:angel:

[John H]

This might throw some light on your question!

Cheers, Mick.

I just realized it doesn't have the grill in question pictured!
However they were on the 2A six cylinder and the late 2A four cylinder.
(May have been exclusive to Australia only as most others of the same era had the cross shaped (Chevron)
grill third row, left hand side.)
Someone else will have a better idea.

My 4/71 wksp rover has a similar grill with the cut out as per the picture to its right.Hope this confuses things more;):)

[mick88]

Speaking of grills Mick88. Do you still want the chevron one?

Mrs hh:angel:


Yes I do please Carolyn!


Cheers.

[harry]

My 1971 88" 2A which is different again.


Cheers, Mick.

I have the same grille on my ,'71. S 2a

[dandlandyman]

Just a couple of things....

The lights-through 80inch grille was only made for one year (right now I can't recall if it was 1950 or 1951), the last couple of years of 80inchers had the inverted-T grille.

The Series 1 inverted-T grille had a curved top edge and was narrower than the Series2-2A straight-topped grille.

The grille that started all this was, as mentioned earlier, an Australian-only unit first seen on the Series2A 6cylinders though they frequently turn up on others of the same era. My 1969 2A 88" seems to have had one from the factory. I have noticed, though, that its horizontal bars do foul the capstan winch.

The very late Series2A grille seems to be uniquely Australian too. It has fewer bars than the UK units I've seen from the same era.

[The ho har's]

Just a couple of things....

The lights-through 80inch grille was only made for one year (right now I can't recall if it was 1950 or 1951), the last couple of years of 80inchers had the inverted-T grille.




"Sweet Pea" is a late "50 and "connie-sue" is an early "51, Grenville Motors books show she was sold 8/12/1950 from a dealer in Tamworth, they have the exact same grill.

Mrs hh:angel:

[mick88]

This may be of interest to some! Cheers, Mick.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Here is another S2 grill I am wondering why the round hole

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/series-land-rovers/100309d1444119292-grille-id-img_1618.jpgThat one looks like it belongs on a late Austin Gypsy, but it could be a home made grill for a landy with the hole designed to support an early electric pusher fan.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Just a couple of things....

The lights-through 80inch grille was only made for one year (right now I can't recall if it was 1950 or 1951), the last couple of years of 80inchers had the inverted-T grille.

"Sweet Pea" is a late "50 and "connie-sue" is an early "51, Grenville Motors books show she was sold 8/12/1950 from a dealer in Tamworth, they have the exact same grill.

Mrs hh:angel:The 7" lamps through the grill design commenced in the late 1950 model at #06111547 and continued until the very last 1951 vehicles.

The inverted "T" grill commenced for the 1952 model at 26100001/26160001/26660001/26130001/26630001 and continued through into late Series 2 although the manufacture and design changed several times. Australian ones in particular were welded mesh where the UK ones stayed as woven mesh.

[mick88]

The 7" lamps through the grill design commenced in the late 1950 model at #06111547 and continued until the very last 1951 vehicles.

The inverted "T" grill commenced for the 1952 model at 2600001/26160001/26660001/26130001/26630001 and continued through into late Series 2 although the manufacture and design changed several times. Australian ones in particular were welded mesh where the UK ones stayed as woven mesh.



Thanks Diana,
I was reading a UK story where it said that it is the galvanising that bonds them together. It had me confused as the ones I have here seem to be spot welded.


Cheers, Mick.

[JDNSW]

That one looks like it belongs on a late Austin Gypsy, but it could be a home made grill for a landy with the hole designed to support an early electric pusher fan.

More likely a fog or driving light. Single centre lights were not uncommon in the fifties and sixties (e.g. Rover, Studebaker).

John