Bathurst....V8 Supercars...Russel is driving!!

[Pickles2]

Well, finally it's well"pretty much" official!
I hear the Holden Racing Team will announce this, this morning at 11.00AM.
IMHO, and whilst I have NO inside info, I reckon that Russel has not been well treated here.
After the GREAT job He did at Sandown, I believe that HRT should have been far more "inclusive" of Russel with respect to all the pre Bathurst stuff, P.R. etc that goes on. But no, they totally excluded him, in spite of the fact that there has NEVER been any positive stuff from HRT with respect to James, that the recovery will be good enough for him to race. Nothing at all, so they would have always known that He was at best an outside chance.
OF COURSE I wanted James to be well, it's the biggest Race of the year, & it's every driver's dream to race there, and it's "his" car, so I feel sorry for James.
But I feel HRT could've included Russel in the car 22 release, and surely a bit of other stuff, rather than just call him up at the deathknock & simply "Use" him, to drive the car.
Simply my opinion, of course. Pickles.
However, I now am looking forward to 4 days of "laziness" but hopefully enjoyment of the Foxtel coverage. It'd wanna be better than last night's Inside V8S.C. which was totally just a useless coverage of last years event......all been covered a million times before.

[Redback]

From a drivers point of view nowadays, Bathurst is not the pinnical it once was, it's just part of the series(endurence rounds) for the championship, which is the end goal, just going on some of the interviews with the drivers I've seen, winning would be good, but I think points towards the championship is far more important.

I'll wait for the highlights package.

[Tank]

Who the **** is "Russel", if it is that clown Ingall, I fail to see what you're so excited about, LOL, Regards Frank.







Well, finally it's well"pretty much" official!
I hear the Holden Racing Team will announce this, this morning at 11.00AM.
IMHO, and whilst I have NO inside info, I reckon that Russel has not been well treated here.
After the GREAT job He did at Sandown, I believe that HRT should have been far more "inclusive" of Russel with respect to all the pre Bathurst stuff, P.R. etc that goes on. But no, they totally excluded him, in spite of the fact that there has NEVER been any positive stuff from HRT with respect to James, that the recovery will be good enough for him to race. Nothing at all, so they would have always known that He was at best an outside chance.
OF COURSE I wanted James to be well, it's the biggest Race of the year, & it's every driver's dream to race there, and it's "his" car, so I feel sorry for James.
But I feel HRT could've included Russel in the car 22 release, and surely a bit of other stuff, rather than just call him up at the deathknock & simply "Use" him, to drive the car.
Simply my opinion, of course. Pickles.
However, I now am looking forward to 4 days of "laziness" but hopefully enjoyment of the Foxtel coverage. It'd wanna be better than last night's Inside V8S.C. which was totally just a useless coverage of last years event......all been covered a million times before.

[Pickles2]

Aaahhh Frank LOL indeed!!, good to see you a major fan of Russell. That's good, because if you check his record, it's not too bad, & better than most.
Having followed other drivers over the years, I'm no particular fan of Russell either, my point being however, that being called out of "retirement", He did a pretty good job at Sandown etc etc,...... as per my post.
Pickles.

[Pickles2]

From a drivers point of view nowadays, Bathurst is not the pinnical it once was, it's just part of the series(endurence rounds) for the championship, which is the end goal, just going on some of the interviews with the drivers I've seen, winning would be good, but I think points towards the championship is far more important.

I'll wait for the highlights package.
Well, I would obviously disagree with that.
It certainly is the pinnacle, in more ways than one. As you say, it is now part of the Championship, but there are many drivers who would still prefer to win Bathurst. Simply because it's part of the Championship just makes it even more important, particularly with the points involved. However, you would find that there would be many drivers who wouldn't care if they never won a single round during the year,...if they won Bathurst,.....it is simply a race every driver would like to win, including those from overseas, and it has a massive spectator appeal, both here & overseas.
As far as the "Drivers view" is concerned, one only has to listen to waht James said today,"Massively disappointed, it's our Grand Final, it's the one race that stops the nation for motorsport in Australia" (end of quote)
It's a big day for me anyway!
Pickles.

[BathurstTom]

From a drivers point of view nowadays, Bathurst is not the pinnical it once was, it's just part of the series(endurence rounds) for the championship, which is the end goal, just going on some of the interviews with the drivers I've seen, winning would be good, but I think points towards the championship is far more important.

I'll wait for the highlights package.


I'm not sure what the drivers think of winning Bathurst, but I know the Car companies love winning Bathurst.

Looks like a big crowd this year. Either that or a lot are getting here early.


Tom.

[Pickles2]

G'Day Tom, What's the weather looking like for the race?
I see that there may be a few showers around, which usually makes things "interesting", although I must confess that I always prefer a "dry" race.
Pickles.

[BathurstTom]

G'Day Tom, What's the weather looking like for the race?
I see that there may be a few showers around, which usually makes things "interesting", although I must confess that I always prefer a "dry" race.
Pickles.

Hi Pickles, currently sunny and fine - in the mid to low twenties. It was around 30 until a couple of days ago. I believe that around 20-25 degrees is predicted until (and including) Friday, but who knows after that. Race weekend, it could snow!

Tom.

[Tank]

Not a bad driver, at least when he drove for Ford, my blue with Ingall is that he chickened out when he had the chance to run over Skaife, what a bonus for V8 supercars that would have been, don't follow them anymore since Holden decided to use the Ford engine, it's all bull****, Regards frank.





Aaahhh Frank LOL indeed!!, good to see you a major fan of Russell. That's good, because if you check his record, it's not too bad, & better than most.
Having followed other drivers over the years, I'm no particular fan of Russell either, my point being however, that being called out of "retirement", He did a pretty good job at Sandown etc etc,...... as per my post.
Pickles.

[Pickles2]

Not a bad driver, at least when he drove for Ford, my blue with Ingall is that he chickened out when he had the chance to run over Skaife, what a bonus for V8 supercars that would have been, don't follow them anymore since Holden decided to use the Ford engine, it's all bull****, Regards frank.
G'Day Frank,...Mate, We have some "common ground"? Lol.
"..........what a bonus to V8SC that would've been"........Ha ha ha...quote of the year!!
Whilst He has an enviable record, I'm not his biggest fan either, although his insight into the Sport on Foxtel is very good.
So mate, whilst you will not, like me, be watching Bathurst, I hope you have a good day.
Regards, Pickles.

[Redback]

I'm not sure what the drivers think of winning Bathurst, but I know the Car companies love winning Bathurst.

Looks like a big crowd this year. Either that or a lot are getting here early.


Tom.

I acually think it may be a good race this year, probably won't watch the whole race, probably the first 1/2hr and the last hour, I'm more into the whole tech side of racing, how drivers approach the race, and the strategy side of things.

I love the Carrera cup too, so will see if I can tape that.

[460cixy]

Hahaha bingle ingall will run out of tallent and take out himself and his team mate by half race distance.

[mikehzz]

Meanwhile, a $25k fine for calling the all girl entry a pussy wagon. It's not equality if you are a protected species.

[ramblingboy42]

Probably if he hadn't used the word pussy, he wouldn't have been fined.

I think it's quite humerous , but others put connotations to it.

And he's right in his description , but it shouldn't have been seen as sexist.

[BathurstTom]

Meanwhile, a $25k fine for calling the all girl entry a pussy wagon. It's not equality if you are a protected species.


In today's PC climate, whether you agree or not, he should have known better. I consider it a fine for stupidity.

Tom.

[mikehzz]

He's apparently on good terms with the girls and was probably having a dig at them, as you do with your mates. It's a shame to lose the larrikin in us to the pc gods. Traditionally in Australia, we mainly insult people we like, it's a sign that we like them. We seem to be turning German...we'll all be very punctual polite people to avoid being fined. Can't wait for that wacky Germanic sense of humour to kick in. I've probably insulted Germans now...don't worry it means I like you. :)

[Redback]

In today's PC climate, whether you agree or not, he should have known better. I consider it a fine for stupidity.

Tom.

I agree, especially with all the PC ***** around these days.


He's apparently on good terms with the girls and was probably having a dig at them, as you do with your mates. It's a shame to lose the larrikin in us to the pc gods. Traditionally in Australia, we mainly insult people we like, it's a sign that we like them. We seem to be turning German...we'll all be very punctual polite people to avoid being fined. Can't wait for that wacky Germanic sense of humour to kick in. I've probably insulted Germans now...don't worry it means I like you. :)

I agree with this also, a totally innocent tounge in cheek comment about and to friends, has probably offended only those that see it as Politically incorrect, maybe he should of kept it in house.

[Pickles2]

Great day yesterday, now I'm ready for day 2!
EXCELLENT final practise for Co-Drivers this morning,....Good to see Russell do his FASTEST EVER lap to finish with a brilliant third, & also Marcos, now with a few laps under his belt, finish in 4th place.
Of course, there's a few on here that think this is simply "taxi racing",....well just take a look at Russell's "work" behind the wheel just during practise, the speed He's doing, & the wheel work He's having to do,.....doing that with 24 other cars for about for SIX hours. It would not be easy. GO RUSSELL.
Pickles.

[BathurstTom]

He's apparently on good terms with the girls and was probably having a dig at them, as you do with your mates. It's a shame to lose the larrikin in us to the pc gods. Traditionally in Australia, we mainly insult people we like, it's a sign that we like them. We seem to be turning German...we'll all be very punctual polite people to avoid being fined. Can't wait for that wacky Germanic sense of humour to kick in. I've probably insulted Germans now...don't worry it means I like you. :)


Yep, agree with this too, but some humour is best kept to oneself now or in the pub with mates.

Tom.

[Pickles2]

Lap record has been smashed to pieces by Jamie Whincup who's just done a 2.04,...quali will be very interesting in a few hours.
Pickles.

[LandyAndy]

Lap record has been smashed to pieces by Jamie Whincup who's just done a 2.04,...quali will be very interesting in a few hours.
Pickles.

Well it didnt happen:(:(:(:(.I hope Mostert is OK.Horrific crash.
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Andrew

[Pickles2]

Thank God Chaz is OK. He will be thinking at this very moment, the same as all of us racing fans, "How long will it be before I can get behind the wheel again"?......And He will be,..same as Courtney.
It's a tough game, and yes, it was a tough day for everyone,...NO-ONE likes this sort of stuff.
BUT, tomorrow is another day, I'll have Chaz on my mind, but I'll also be enjoying the racing as much as I always do, just as He'd want us to.
Whincup's awesome lap remains, ....I hope it will be bettered, but I have my doubts, not because of the accident, but because it was such a great lap.
Pickles.

[pop058]

In today's PC climate, whether you agree or not, he should have known better. I consider it a fine for stupidity.

Tom.

I believe he also made a comment during a radio interview about "Pad Changes"

[LandyAndy]

Qualifying has been resheduled:cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew
Qualifying rescheduled (http://www.v8supercars.com.au/news/championship/qualifying-rescheduled)

[DiscoMick]

My brother is there somewhere on the mountain with a group of mates. I'll ring him tomorrow and see how the boys are holding up.

Sent from my GT-P5210 using AULRO mobile app

[LandyAndy]

A great day watching entertainment from "The Mountain".Not real impressed with Foxtel,I bought it to watch the V8s commercial free,NOT HAPPY JAN:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Great to see Reynolds getting pole,guessing he needed it to help cover his fine:D:D:D:D:D
Andrew

[Pickles2]

A great day watching entertainment from "The Mountain".Not real impressed with Foxtel,I bought it to watch the V8s commercial free,NOT HAPPY JAN:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Great to see Reynolds getting pole,guessing he needed it to help cover his fine:D:D:D:D:D
Andrew
Mate, You are SPOT ON, SPOT ON, SPOT ON.
I've said I'm happy with Foxtel, & I guess I still am, but Jeez, this afternoon,...????.....Ads......TOO MANY, & sometimes in the middle of the good stuff,....I timed, around 2.00pm to 4.00pm,......around 15mins/hr of ads,...absolute crap,.....I thought I was getting away from that sort of stuff with Foxtel,...obviously not?
Pickles.

[LandyAndy]

Mate, You are SPOT ON, SPOT ON, SPOT ON.
I've said I'm happy with Foxtel, & I guess I still am, but Jeez, this afternoon,...????.....Ads......TOO MANY, & sometimes in the middle of the good stuff,....I timed, around 2.00pm to 4.00pm,......around 15mins/hr of ads,...absolute crap,.....I thought I was getting away from that sort of stuff with Foxtel,...obviously not?
Pickles.

Send them a complaint,Im about too.
corporateaffairs@foxtel.com.au
Andrew

[Pickles2]

I might do that.
However, I did do a google check & discovered that the maximum amount of ads per hour was 15mins, going to 16mins in peak times etc,...this applied to FTA, so I don't know what applies to Foxtel or if there are even any rules for "Pay TV"?
Pickles.

[crackers]

First bingle. The girls put it into the wall. Did well to get the thing out of the wall and back to the pits.

[Mick_Marsh]

Ah, yes. Advertisements.
I'm getting them on channel ten.

[scarry]

Is it the same broadcast on both channels,or are there different commentators?

I have the poverty pack channel10 only:D

[PAT303]

Lots of dumb driving,''we could have won but we damaged the steering on lap 20 of a 161 lap race bumping another car''. Pat

[scarry]

Ah, yes. Advertisements.
I'm getting them on channel ten.

Seem to be heaps here on 10 as well:mad:

Wont be long the dunny dores will be out the front:D

[Homestar]

First time watching Bathurst (and the V8's) in quite a few years. Lots of drivers I don't know of, and only 26 cars on the grid which is a bit **** poor IMO. I am generally enjoying it though, and now there's been a prang it's a bit better... :D

The pre race coverage was outright painful to watch though, so had the TV on mute for an hour before it started.

[Mick_Marsh]

Seem to be heaps here on 10 as well:mad:

Wont be long the dunny dores will be out the front:D
They're not real Commodores unfortunately. They're basically race cars with Commodore panels and a Holden badge.

[Mick_Marsh]

I am generally enjoying it though, and now there's been a prang it's a bit better... :D
It looked as if he was shunted.

[crackers]

They're not real Commodores unfortunately. They're basically race cars with Commodore panels and a Holden badge.

Didn't someone say the Commodores were using a Ford engine?

In anycase, it's a manufactured series and really only of interest if you know it well enough to be interested in the individual drivers. Pity really because there was a time, before it became 'big', where the interest was in the cars as well and that made it more accessible for the casual viewer or the newcomer. Nowadays, you need to know the drivers and with all the bodies basically identical and the cars painted in camouflage (much better this year than last I'll admit), it's often impossible to know which vehicle the commentators are talking about.

I dare say it's better for the fanatic, as someone who drifted away when it became simply Ford vs Holden (probably before that in reality), it's hard to watch now. Good racing if you can work out what's going on though, I'll give it that.

[crackers]

It looked as if he was shunted.

Yeah, I reckon he was helped. Pity.

Good to see the girls got back out, and rather quickly too, that car looked a right mess.

[Homestar]

A quick question for those that follow the V8's as I haven't for some time - what is the reason there seems to be only 5 Fords in the whole grid? :confused:

When did their popularity start its decline?

[crackers]

When did their popularity start its decline?

1956 :angel: :wasntme:

[Homestar]

1956 :angel: :wasntme:

:Rolling:

[Avion8]

Nothing about it on Fox sports, Star sports, Astro super sport or The Asian Food channel!:cool:

[Pickles2]

A quick question for those that follow the V8's as I haven't for some time - what is the reason there seems to be only 5 Fords in the whole grid? :confused:

When did their popularity start its decline?
G'Day Gav.
I see the usaual negativity from the "usual suspects",....but no worries, all is good, ...mate, in answer to your question,..Ford were one of the first to drop major sponsorship to the Teams, hense some moved to Holden etc etc.
Martin.

[Pickles2]

Didn't someone say the Commodores were using a Ford engine?

In anycase, it's a manufactured series and really only of interest if you know it well enough to be interested in the individual drivers. Pity really because there was a time, before it became 'big', where the interest was in the cars as well and that made it more accessible for the casual viewer or the newcomer. Nowadays, you need to know the drivers and with all the bodies basically identical and the cars painted in camouflage (much better this year than last I'll admit), it's often impossible to know which vehicle the commentators are talking about.

I dare say it's better for the fanatic, as someone who drifted away when it became simply Ford vs Holden (probably before that in reality), it's hard to watch now. Good racing if you can work out what's going on though, I'll give it that.
"Commodores using a Ford engine",.....LOL,....which "informed" expert told you that?,....absolute nonsense. All Makes use their own engines which have to comply with V8SC Specs,...basically a 5LV8 with around 670/700HP.
Pickles.

[Homestar]

G'Day Gav.
I see the usaual negativity from the "usual suspects",....but no worries, all is good, ...mate, in answer to your question,..Ford were one of the first to drop major sponsorship to the Teams, hense some moved to Holden etc etc.
Martin.

Ah - thanks, that makes sense.

Still not sure I'm fully on board with the whole thing at the moment - not sure if it's me that's grown up a bit, but the racing seems a bit boring at the moment - I just woke up from a 'power nap' but I don't seem to have missed anything.

A few more safety cars might wake me up a bit. :D

[scarry]

Ah - thanks, that makes sense.

Still not sure I'm fully on board with the whole thing at the moment - not sure if it's me that's grown up a bit, but the racing seems a bit boring at the moment - I just woke up from a 'power nap' but I don't seem to have missed anything.

A few more safety cars might wake me up a bit. :D

Have another nap,then watch the last hour,which is usually the most interesting part of the race:D

[Mick_Marsh]

It was much better when they had real cars with different classes.

[crackers]

"Commodores using a Ford engine",.....LOL,....which "informed" expert told you that?,....absolute nonsense. All Makes use their own engines which have to comply with V8SC Specs,...basically a 5LV8 with around 670/700HP.
Pickles.

If you'd taken the trouble to read this thread, you'd have seen the comment back near the start of the thread. You'd also be aware that I've been trying to follow the race and that I've admitted that I've been away from the race for a few years. A simple correction would have been sufficient. I guess people aren't welcome to this sport if they're not 'sufficiently informed' like you.

[Homestar]

Ok, let's all calm down, we'll have none of that sort of thing here!

I don't think there was any harm meant in his reply, let's all take a deep breath before posting again please...

[Homestar]

Ok, back on topic - hope the rain turns up soon. :)

[Pickles2]

If you'd taken the trouble to read this thread, you'd have seen the comment back near the start of the thread. You'd also be aware that I've been trying to follow the race and that I've admitted that I've been away from the race for a few years. A simple correction would have been sufficient. I guess people aren't welcome to this sport if they're not 'sufficiently informed' like you.
Lol.
Nothing arrogant at all, but if you wish to interpret it that way,....no probs. You made the statement, I simply told you it was absolute nonsense,..which it is..
Your other comments are fair enough. Anyway, if you do wish to know anything else, I'm pleased to assist. If you are genuinely interested, not like some on here, who are simply knockers, it would be a pleasure.
Pickles.

[Homestar]

Ok, another question for the regulars. While the Volvo seems to have a bit of pace, the Nissans and Mercs are running mid to lower in the order. How have the these Marques been doing overall since their introduction? Is there any moaning about parity at all or are they happily developing the vehicles and slowly getting better?

[Pickles2]

Good question Gav.
The Nissans have struggled from inception with their inability to achieve sufficient engine power, owing to the Nissan Cylinder Head design.
The Mercs?...Well a few things there,...the Mercedes engine is different, it runs a flat plane crank which gives it different characteristics. and the merc engine has, at times, not quite so driveable through the range as others,...all fixable,...all it takes is dollars,..MASSIVE dollars, which Betty has been providing. The Mercs were originally using AMG for engine development, but Erebus are now doing that themselves. I guess also that the Nissans & Mercs haven't been at it so long. The Volvo engine is developed in Sweden.
martin.
Martin.

[rocket scientist]

First time watching Bathurst (and the V8's) in quite a few years. Lots of drivers I don't know of, and only 26 cars on the grid which is a bit **** poor IMO. I am generally enjoying it though, and now there's been a prang it's a bit better... :D

The pre race coverage was outright painful to watch though, so had the TV on mute for an hour before it started.


I agree, where are all the cars?
Bring back different categories like the original race. A lot more interesting.

[Pickles2]

OK Guys,..25 laps to go,..Who's gonna win.
C'mon "Rocket Scientist", your name suggests you may know the answer?!!
Pickles.

[Pickles2]

First four cars within half a second with 25 laps to go,...not exciting?
Pickles.

[pop058]

Ha, black flag :) :D

[scarry]

If Loundes doesn't get brain fade:D:D

Whincup,disobeying team orders again...time for a talking to:o:D

It should give Dane something to winge about again..

[Pickles2]

What a GREAT race, record crowd, check out the numbers,..202000+, and a HUGE crowd at the presentation there. More people than ever before, so there are a few of us that like it!
Some of the features,... changing weather conditions..rain, wet track necessitating impromptu tyre change, speeds approaching 300ks after 6 hrs of racing, race strategies with different conditions, 20 laps to go...anybodies race,...just a second or two over the top 10 finishers, and the race winner Craig,..what a legend.
Many of my friends have "Bathurst BBQs", some fly flags in their front yards, Me, I had a ripper day, got an invitation to several places, but I prefer to watch it on my own,....Wifey cooks me my "Bathurst Breakfast" (big fry up), and then I just enjoy the race, all day,....which I did,...and a worthy winner.
Can't wait for next year!! Pickles.

[pop058]

Not a General Motors fan (or whingecup for that matter) by any stretch, but Craig is definitely a deserving winner.

[Homestar]

Got to say, I really enjoyed that overall. A bit dull to start with, but got going and ended up being a corker. :)

I might get back into the V8's a bit more I think.

[Tank]

Whincup won the race for Lowndes, if the mongrel hadn't been in P2 at the restart (which if he had obeyed the rules he wouldn't have been) by blocking the rest of the field, especially Winterbottom, and giving Lowndes an unbeatable lead of 13 seconds, Winterbottom would have swallowed Lowndes.
I hope Winchup gets dropped like a hot potato, he is an arsehole, Regards Frank.

[incisor]

team tactics have won many a bathurst race

have another glass of Chateau Sour Grapes ;)

[Pickles2]

Whincup won the race for Lowndes, if the mongrel hadn't been in P2 at the restart (which if he had obeyed the rules he wouldn't have been) by blocking the rest of the field, especially Winterbottom, and giving Lowndes an unbeatable lead of 13 seconds, Winterbottom would have swallowed Lowndes.
I hope Winchup gets dropped like a hot potato, he is an arsehole, Regards Frank.
That is so far away from the facts, that it's not worth a comment.
Pickles.

[Gordie]

He does have a point, not sure if it would have changed the outcome, but I was surprised that he was not pulled from P2 before the restart, possibly a bit of interference on the guys behind him.

[V8Ian]

Whincup won the race for Lowndes, if the mongrel hadn't been in P2 at the restart (which if he had obeyed the rules he wouldn't have been) by blocking the rest of the field, especially Winterbottom, and giving Lowndes an unbeatable lead of 13 seconds, Winterbottom would have swallowed Lowndes.
I hope Winchup gets dropped like a hot potato, he is an arsehole, Regards Frank.


That is so far away from the facts, that it's not worth a comment.
Pickles.
Frank's right on the money. That's a fact.
For the second consecutive year, Wincup has had a brainfart in his self-centred quest to win at all cost. Twice he's defied team orders, to the detriment of the team, trying to improve his personal position. Twice it has brought him and the team undone.

[ramblingboy42]

...race committee hadn't made their decision before the restart.

I haven't heard any blocking complaints from other drivers....

[scarry]

Go to say, I really enjoyed that overall. A bit dull to start with, but got going and ended up being a corker. :)

I might get back into the V8's a bit more I think.

Have a look on you tube,there are heaps of vids on the final laps of many of the Bathursts over the years.There weren't many that were not crackers.

Here is an example:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpHHp7crY-c

[pop058]

greatest Bathurst finish ever :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62uTz19CYw0

[scarry]

team tactics have won many a bathurst race



Exactly,and championships.

It will be interesting to see how Whincup and Dane get on in the future.

I recently saw an interview with Whincups engineer for last years Bathurst,and he was adamant that they would have won easily if fuel conserving was done as per the team orders.

[Ean Austral]

I can see what Tank is saying but personally Whincup is too selfish to have helped Loundes in anyway at all.


I wish they had left him in second his greed and win at all cost would surely have seen him take out his team-mate.


Hats off to Loundsy he won fair and square,, what was done was within the rules, and he was cool enough under pressure for that last 10 lap dash to not make any mistakes.


If the Pepsi team had have taken an extra 15 seconds in the pit stop before to put in some more go go juice he would have gotten out of the pits in front of Loundsy.


Cheers Ean

[Tank]

So Whincup DIDN'T hold back the rest of the field by being in P2 when he should have been further back and Lowndes never benefitted by being given a 13 second lead in one lap.
You must have been in fairy land instead of watching the race, open your other eye and accept the facts, Regards frank.











That is so far away from the facts, that it's not worth a comment.
Pickles.

[Pickles2]

So Whincup DIDN'T hold back the rest of the field by being in P2 when he should have been further back and Lowndes never benefitted by being given a 13 second lead in one lap.
You must have been in fairy land instead of watching the race, open your other eye and accept the facts, Regards frank.
It wasn't a 13 sec lead.
The gap between the two cars, was around 2.5- 3.5 secs for the last 10 laps or so. If Frosty's car was as good as you think it was, He would've made some impact upon Lowndes, but He didn't, because He couldn't, same as Garth couldn't make up any ground on Frosty.
The Gap stayed the same, the only driver that had anything in reserve was Craig, because when the gap did drop down to 2.5 secs, Craig just gave it a bit more, only as much as He had to, & opened the gap again, except on the last lap, when there was no need.
Well, Frank, ....Ya don't like Skaifey & Ya don't like Jamie,....So Who have been your favourites over the years.
Pickles.
Hey Frank, I see you used to own a Ford Bronco. So did We,...an '85 XLT, Yellow/white 351 C6.

[Homestar]

As I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread, this is the first time I've watched Bathurst in many many years, but one thing hasn't changed - the Ford fans making excuses about coming second.... :D:angel::wasntme:

[Redback]

As I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread, this is the first time I've watched Bathurst in many many years, but one thing hasn't changed - the Ford fans making excuses about coming second.... :D:angel::wasntme:

I've always been of the opinion that it's the driver and not the car that wins the race, add the fact that it's an endurance race and the only thing that relates to the car is reliability and when you look at the cars reliabilty, the engine is the most reliable part of the car and all the cars, regardless of make, are very reliable.

So tactics, setting the car up and the driver are the major factors in winning any race, you can have the fastest car, but still not win.

I watched bits and pieces of the race, didn't really grab me, wasn't that thrilling I thought, the last few laps maybe.

I'm gunna make a prediction and say Volvo will win next year, with scott mclaughlin

[Tank]

Quote; "It wasn't a 13 sec lead.
The gap between the two cars, was around 2.5- 3.5 secs for the last 10 laps or so"


It's this kind of stupid statement that shows you had no idea of what actually happened.
When Whincup pulled into the pits on his Black Flag after the restart, the rest of the field was 13 seconds behind Lowndes, even the commentators mentioned Whincup helping his mate get away from the pack.
That 13 second lead was reduced by Winterbottom to 2.5 secs at the end of the race.
So get your facts right before you put your foot in your mouth again, Regards Frank.












=Pickles2;2434565]It wasn't a 13 sec lead.
The gap between the two cars, was around 2.5- 3.5 secs for the last 10 laps or so. If Frosty's car was as good as you think it was, He would've made some impact upon Lowndes, but He didn't, because He couldn't, same as Garth couldn't make up any ground on Frosty.
The Gap stayed the same, the only driver that had anything in reserve was Craig, because when the gap did drop down to 2.5 secs, Craig just gave it a bit more, only as much as He had to, & opened the gap again, except on the last lap, when there was no need.
Well, Frank, ....Ya don't like Skaifey & Ya don't like Jamie,....So Who have been your favourites over the years.
Pickles.
Hey Frank, I see you used to own a Ford Bronco. So did We,...an '85 XLT, Yellow/white 351 C6.[/QUOTE]

[Tank]

Rightly so, when holden has to cheat to win, Regards Frank.






QUOTE=bacicat;2434595]As I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread, this is the first time I've watched Bathurst in many many years, but one thing hasn't changed - the Ford fans making excuses about coming second.... :D:angel::wasntme:[/QUOTE]

[Tank]

Mate, Frosty made up 11 seconds in the last 10 laps, he knew he wasn't going to catch Lowndes with the number of laps left, so he settled on getting the best result for the Championship points.
Best and favourite drivers, all time best in the world ever, Sir Jack Brabahm, no contest there.
V8 Supercars Allan Moffat, Marcos Ambrose, Colin Bond, John Bowe, Dick Johnson, Craig Lowndes, Russell Ingall, Van gisbergen, Norm Beechy.
Bronco was great, had a 650 double pumper, mech sec., nice cam, ran LPG and petrol, 200l gas tank in back, sorry I sold it, would go anywhere I pointed it, Regards frank.









It wasn't a 13 sec lead.
The gap between the two cars, was around 2.5- 3.5 secs for the last 10 laps or so. If Frosty's car was as good as you think it was, He would've made some impact upon Lowndes, but He didn't, because He couldn't, same as Garth couldn't make up any ground on Frosty.
The Gap stayed the same, the only driver that had anything in reserve was Craig, because when the gap did drop down to 2.5 secs, Craig just gave it a bit more, only as much as He had to, & opened the gap again, except on the last lap, when there was no need.
Well, Frank, ....Ya don't like Skaifey & Ya don't like Jamie,....So Who have been your favourites over the years.
Pickles.
Hey Frank, I see you used to own a Ford Bronco. So did We,...an '85 XLT, Yellow/white 351 C6.

[Pickles2]

Mate, Frosty made up 11 seconds in the last 10 laps, he knew he wasn't going to catch Lowndes with the number of laps left, so he settled on getting the best result for the Championship points.
Best and favourite drivers, all time best in the world ever, Sir Jack Brabahm, no contest there.
V8 Supercars Allan Moffat, Marcos Ambrose, Colin Bond, John Bowe, Dick Johnson, Craig Lowndes, Russell Ingall, Van gisbergen, Norm Beechy.
Bronco was great, had a 650 double pumper, mech sec., nice cam, ran LPG and petrol, 200l gas tank in back, sorry I sold it, would go anywhere I pointed it, Regards frank.
Well, on Bathurst, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Not relying on my own judgement I checked Media reports today...."Mark Dutton told Jamie to take his pit lane drive through, and not let anyone past, (and here I quote) "allowing Lowndes a THREE SECOND BREAK ON THE FIELD", which is exactly what I said. That is the break that existed right up until the last lap,...It did not change.
However on Aussie drivers, I'm with you on Moff & the others,...... but no mention of Brock?
Our Bronco was stock, except for dual exhausts,...still running on petrol,.....filling up the 121L tank (same as GT?) would cost a few dollars now!! Haven't seen a good one for ages,...most have now done a squillion ks, and are full of rust,...ours had done only 113ks when we sold it....with zero rust.
Pickles.

[PAT303]

I'm going to stick my neck on the chopping block and say up front IMHO Brocky was over rated,yes he could drive but so could many others like Jim Richards,Dick Johnson and Larry Perkins could not only drive but put their engineering ability to the test,DJ took a world beating car and beat the world with it,LP made a Taxi go faster than it ever had the right to,same as I put Sir Jack ahead of all the current ''I'm Lewis Hamilton but you can call me gansta'' F1 drivers because he built his car and won in it. Pat

[V8Ian]

As I've mentioned elsewhere in this thread, this is the first time I've watched Bathurst in many many years, but one thing hasn't changed - the Ford fans making excuses about coming second.... :D:angel::wasntme:
Like last year? ;)

[1950landy]

This is what I think . Whincup was acting under team orders & was to ho;d up the other cars to give Lowndes the 13 sec lead so there were not enough laps left to catch & pass Lowndes. Whincup had to win every race until season end with Frosty having some DNF's to win the championship . with Lowndes win he is second in the points & will have every chance of winning with Whincup"s help, & Winterbottom has no one to protect him because the Bottle O car is 3rd in the points & he wants to win also.
That's my 2 bob's worth& yes I don't like the Red Bull team & would rather see anybody else win weather they drive Ford ,Holden Volve or Merc, o yes I forgot about Nissan.

[Pickles2]

This is what I think . Whincup was acting under team orders & was to ho;d up the other cars to give Lowndes the 13 sec lead so there were not enough laps left to catch & pass Lowndes. Whincup had to win every race until season end with Frosty having some DNF's to win the championship . with Lowndes win he is second in the points & will have every chance of winning with Whincup"s help, & Winterbottom has no one to protect him because the Bottle O car is 3rd in the points & he wants to win also.
That's my 2 bob's worth& yes I don't like the Red Bull team & would rather see anybody else win weather they drive Ford ,Holden Volve or Merc, o yes I forgot about Nissan.
It wasn't 13 seconds & Lowndes has NO CHANCE of winning the Championship, unless Frosty fails to finish in any of the ramaining rounds, which I do not think is even a remote possibility.
AFAIAC, the Championshipis Frosty's & well deserved too.
Pickles.

[Homestar]

Rightly so, when holden has to cheat to win, Regards Frank.

Geez, get over it - I was having a joke.



Like last year? ;)

Hee, hee - Couldn't tell you - this is the first time I've watched Bathurst in about 8 years, but I'm guessing Ford made the grade last Year? :)

Oh, and you all think I'm a Holden man right? Well, actually I'm not, so that blows your little theory. ;). I actually like most of the V8 drivers no matter who they drive for - Frosty is one of my favourites actually, but I'm not blubbering away saying the win was stolen from him.

Go the Volvo's!!! :D

So, Tank lighten up - it's only a car race, no need to blow a gasket. :). (See what I did there...)

[Tank]

Pat, I totally agree about Brock (and the others), a great driver, but a bit of a whacko.
My gripe really is with GM Holden and their tactics, I was involved with a team at Bathurst, who fielded a 5.7L Monaro (against Fords 5L) and as a privateer wasn't in the pocket of GM. This Monaro never had 4 bolt mains, manganese steel suspension components, extra bracing for body and frame and a host of goodies the favoured GM teams and privateers got gratis.
The Monaro body was crap, the passenger side footwell split every time the car went through Skyline, the passenger side top of the windscreen ended up with a gap up to 2" and a lot of Gaffa tape to keep it in.
As this team never had access to a dyno it couldn't run in the engine properly and blew the engine about a 1/3 of the race.
Holden never raced the full size Holden again against the Ford Falcon, instead they imported the English Vauxhall and called it a Torana (and later the German Opel), it was a light 4 cylinder car, which GM stuffed a hotted up six with multiple carbs.
If you remember the quickest six full size Holden was the twin carbed 186 that was released as the X2, it was the first Holden factory car that could achieve 100mph from the factory.
So Holden wouldn't race their full size passenger car, the HQ's with radial tuned suspension.
So they homlogated the Toranas, which were much smaller than the Falcons and 1/2 a ton lighter, which were allowed to run larger brakes and the same size race tyres as the heavier Falcon, Ford didn't stand a chance, GM stuffed this type of racing, I can remember drivers at Bathurst who drove their race cars to the track.
Then they went further and stuck a V8 in them.
When Ford retaliated with the Ford Sierra (also a British designed car) GM Holden kicked up a stink and said you can't do that (even though GM did it).
Sierras wiped GM's arse and they didn't like being beat at their own game.
How many race wins at Bathurst do you think Brocky would have had if he had to compete on an even footing and had to drive Holden's Flagship full size Passenger/Taxi the HQ.
This rivalry and downright will to win at any cost by GM ruined the best race car series and Bathurst race forever.
So Brocky RIP, I don't know whether you were for what GM did, but you did have to earn a quid, eh!, Regards Frank.







I'm going to stick my neck on the chopping block and say up front IMHO Brocky was over rated,yes he could drive but so could many others like Jim Richards,Dick Johnson and Larry Perkins could not only drive but put their engineering ability to the test,DJ took a world beating car and beat the world with it,LP made a Taxi go faster than it ever had the right to,same as I put Sir Jack ahead of all the current ''I'm Lewis Hamilton but you can call me gansta'' F1 drivers because he built his car and won in it. Pat

[Pickles2]

Pretty biased post Tank.
The FACTS on the XU1 are as follows. Ford came out with the Phase 1 Falcon, which was based on an American design,...check your facts,..there is an Amercan Falcon virtually identical to the XR (XW predecessor),...there are even a few of them in Aus,...and the Falcon has a TOTALLY American engine & drive train. So all this talk about who used what, why it was used etc etc etc is all pointless,...they were all trying to win, and they were all doing the same thing in one way or another.
And yes, the Falcon KILLED the Monaro,..NO ARGUMENT from me. So, what are Holden to do? John Bagshaw was the Holden GM at the time, and loved his motor sport. His word, "What are we going to do"?,...because in those days "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" were true to a much larger extent than they are today. Bagshaw did not have the Budget to develop the 350 Monaro, it would've cost far too much to do what needed to be done, and He simply did not have the budget.
So, Bagshaw & Co decided to place a 186 engine in an LC Torana, later upgraded with the LJ to a 202,..which,..with Brock driving, was a winner.
Every manifacturer in those days,& to some extent today, does what it can to win.
"Ford didn't stand a chance"??!!....I seem to remember one Allan Moffatt having a few wins, and after that, still using a U.S drivetrain in the XC Falcon, AND employing an American Carroll Smith to engineer the whole thing.
I ain't saying Holden did this or Ford did that, or Chrysler, or whatever,.....mate, they ALL did it. (Remember the Mopar 340V8 & all the associated "hot up bits" that Chrysler were going to use before Evan Green's "Phase 1V scare" stopped it all?
And, there ain't no bias here, When Moff was racing, I was his most ardent supporter, so no bias from me.
Brock, as a driver? Talk to Moffatt, he's got a different opinion than you,..and so do most of the other drivers who raced against him.
Brock in the "best equipment"?....yep, most of the time He was. Frosty & Chaz?.....are they not in the best equipment?,...and Moff had the best Ford when He was winning too. It's always the way.
Pickles.

[Tank]

Facts, GM imported the English Vauxhall and the Opel from Germany, both small light 4 cyl. cars and named them Torana's to replace the garbage HR/HQ holdens because they were crap and they would never be strong enough to race, Fact.
Ford Cleveland engines were totally built here in Australia, in USA the Cleveland was only manufactured for 3 years, the Australian Cleveland was manufactured through to 1985 and the 302 Cleveland was an Australian only production.
When did holden start using Ford 9" diffs.
You seem to think it is fair that Holden imported small 4 cyl. cars from Europe to compete against full size Australian sedans, you say you are not biased but you cannot accept that the only way holden could beat Ford's Falcon was to cheat by using a small, lighter car that was allowed to use the same size brakes and tyres as the 1/2 tonne heavier Falcon.
Please explain why holden never used their full size sedans to compete with Ford's Falcon, if the Monaro was such a great race car why didn't they continue with it.
Every holden in that era was designed in either USA or Europe, so the Falcon being an American designed car is not relevant, from the XA Falcon every Ford Falcon was a total Australian design, the XA Coupe was designed in Australia by Australians 5 years before release, the only part borrowed from Ford USA was the bulging rear panels over the wheels (Torino).
Will you admit that the Torana's were Vauxhall's and opels , if you won't then you are burying your head in the sand.
I didn't say Brock was a **** driver, I agreed with Pat303 that he was overated, how do you think Brock and GM would have fared if they competed fairly and raced car for car, i.e. full sized holdens, how did Brock and GM fare when Ford played GM's game of importing the Ford Sierra.
You are comparing apples to oranges, If Brock had to race a full size holden sedan, HQ or whatever they were designated against a full size Falcon, you would be now saying "Peter who", Regards Frank.


P.S. BTW holden did develop the Monaro HK 1968 to 1977 and again in 2001 to 2005.











Pretty biased post Tank.
The FACTS on the XU1 are as follows. Ford came out with the Phase 1 Falcon, which was based on an American design,...check your facts,..there is an Amercan Falcon virtually identical to the XR (XW predecessor),...there are even a few of them in Aus,...and the Falcon has a TOTALLY American engine & drive train. So all this talk about who used what, why it was used etc etc etc is all pointless,...they were all trying to win, and they were all doing the same thing in one way or another.
And yes, the Falcon KILLED the Monaro,..NO ARGUMENT from me. So, what are Holden to do? John Bagshaw was the Holden GM at the time, and loved his motor sport. His word, "What are we going to do"?,...because in those days "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" were true to a much larger extent than they are today. Bagshaw did not have the Budget to develop the 350 Monaro, it would've cost far too much to do what needed to be done, and He simply did not have the budget.
So, Bagshaw & Co decided to place a 186 engine in an LC Torana, later upgraded with the LJ to a 202,..which,..with Brock driving, was a winner.
Every manifacturer in those days,& to some extent today, does what it can to win.
"Ford didn't stand a chance"??!!....I seem to remember one Allan Moffatt having a few wins, and after that, still using a U.S drivetrain in the XC Falcon, AND employing an American Carroll Smith to engineer the whole thing.
I ain't saying Holden did this or Ford did that, or Chrysler, or whatever,.....mate, they ALL did it. (Remember the Mopar 340V8 & all the associated "hot up bits" that Chrysler were going to use before Evan Green's "Phase 1V scare" stopped it all?
And, there ain't no bias here, When Moff was racing, I was his most ardent supporter, so no bias from me.
Brock, as a driver? Talk to Moffatt, he's got a different opinion than you,..and so do most of the other drivers who raced against him.
Brock in the "best equipment"?....yep, most of the time He was. Frosty & Chaz?.....are they not in the best equipment?,...and Moff had the best Ford when He was winning too. It's always the way.
Pickles.

[Pickles2]

Frank, YOU are the one who cannot compare apples with apples.
I'm saying, ALL the manufacturers did what they did to win, ALL of them.
As an example, you yourself mentioned the Sierra, FULLY imported by Ford, THE WHOLE CAR. You talk about Holden not using a "Full sized Car"??...Well mate, back to you,....why didn't Ford?
You mention the HR Holden,....I don't remember too many XP/XR Falcons being raced at the time, but I do remember a lot of Mustangs.
Who said, in your words, "The Monaro was a great "race car"??...Never heard that at the time from any GM people I know?..Never.
Yes mate, I know all about the Cleveland engine, and it is an American design,...I know it was also further developed in Aus, but it's a US engine as was the gearbox & Diff.
All that stuff about full sized Vs small etc is TOTALLY irrelevant to what we're talking about. Mate, you are the one that mentioned the Sierra,not me, & it's EXACTLY what you're having a go at Holden for!?......I seem to remember there was a car called a Falcon around at the time, or am I dreaming?....but Ford chose not to use it,...so they FULLY IMPORTED Sierras,....Ford didn't even develop it, or design it, to anywhere near the same degree as Holden did with their locally modified Torana, or for that matter, what Chrysler did with their Charger.
You appear to be a "Ford Man"?..No problem,..all good, plenty of people are, I have been too, still am. Holden/Ford no difference,....well some I guess, but basically, looking at things, I'd say I follow the driver, as I did when Craig went to Ford.
Me?..Well I'm a bit different,..if you're interested in reading. My first car was a 1948 Ford Super DeLux Side Valve V8, followed by a 1948 Ford Mercury V8, followed by a 1951 Ford Twin Spinner V8 (gen 60,000mls!). I loved my V8s, ...all my mates drove their FJs etc but I loved my V8s, so initially I guess I was a "Ford Man", as they were always associated with V8s. Later on, got married (twice!) couldn't afford a V8 then, so had a few other cars, but I supported Ford, particularly "Marvin". Later on I nearly bought a XE 5.8ESP, but preferred the A9X, which I owned for a few years. Then had a succession of Brock cars,...at that stage you may remember Ford discontinued the V8, so I couldn't own one. So, became a Brock supporter, got involved with HDT etc,...tremendous times. Still followed Brock when He went to Ford & drove a Sierra. Also owned a Ford RS Focus, so unlike yourself, I don't really have any "Brand Loyalty",...I'd rather follow the driver, as I did when Brock went to Ford, & as Craig did. I was thrilled when Moff went to drive for HDT,...what a pairing,...your comment with respect to Peter is relevant here?!
So Frank, it's all good, I don't believe We'll ever agree, but I do believe we're passionate racing fans.
Pickles.

[Tank]

Not so different at all,
Quote:"Me?..Well I'm a bit different,..if you're interested in reading. My first car was a 1948 Ford Super DeLux Side Valve V8, followed by a 1948 Ford Mercury V8, followed by a 1951 Ford Twin Spinner V8 (gen 60,000mls!)." end quote.


My first car was a 48 Mercury (2X), then a 51 twin spinner, 49 Single Spinner, then a succession of Customlines 55 on, had a couple of holdens, both let me down badly.
You talk about Ford being all American, well holden Monaro ran a 350 chev. a Muncie gearbox, and a chev. 10 bolt diff, later changing over to the superior Ford 9".
Still my point is that Brock would not have won so many Bathursts if holden hadn't squibbed out by using a Vauxhall and opel small car against the full size Falcon, WHY?, because the full size holden couldn't cut it, Regards Frank.





Frank, YOU are the one who cannot compare apples with apples.
I'm saying, ALL the manufacturers did what they did to win, ALL of them.
As an example, you yourself mentioned the Sierra, FULLY imported by Ford, THE WHOLE CAR. You talk about Holden not using a "Full sized Car"??...Well mate, back to you,....why didn't Ford?
You mention the HR Holden,....I don't remember too many XP/XR Falcons being raced at the time, but I do remember a lot of Mustangs.
Who said, in your words, "The Monaro was a great "race car"??...Never heard that at the time from any GM people I know?..Never.
Yes mate, I know all about the Cleveland engine, and it is an American design,...I know it was also further developed in Aus, but it's a US engine as was the gearbox & Diff.
All that stuff about full sized Vs small etc is TOTALLY irrelevant to what we're talking about. Mate, you are the one that mentioned the Sierra,not me, & it's EXACTLY what you're having a go at Holden for!?......I seem to remember there was a car called a Falcon around at the time, or am I dreaming?....but Ford chose not to use it,...so they FULLY IMPORTED Sierras,....Ford didn't even develop it, or design it, to anywhere near the same degree as Holden did with their locally modified Torana, or for that matter, what Chrysler did with their Charger.
You appear to be a "Ford Man"?..No problem,..all good, plenty of people are, I have been too, still am. Holden/Ford no difference,....well some I guess, but basically, looking at things, I'd say I follow the driver, as I did when Craig went to Ford.
Me?..Well I'm a bit different,..if you're interested in reading. My first car was a 1948 Ford Super DeLux Side Valve V8, followed by a 1948 Ford Mercury V8, followed by a 1951 Ford Twin Spinner V8 (gen 60,000mls!). I loved my V8s, ...all my mates drove their FJs etc but I loved my V8s, so initially I guess I was a "Ford Man", as they were always associated with V8s. Later on, got married (twice!) couldn't afford a V8 then, so had a few other cars, but I supported Ford, particularly "Marvin". Later on I nearly bought a XE 5.8ESP, but preferred the A9X, which I owned for a few years. Then had a succession of Brock cars,...at that stage you may remember Ford discontinued the V8, so I couldn't own one. So, became a Brock supporter, got involved with HDT etc,...tremendous times. Still followed Brock when He went to Ford & drove a Sierra. Also owned a Ford RS Focus, so unlike yourself, I don't really have any "Brand Loyalty",...I'd rather follow the driver, as I did when Brock went to Ford, & as Craig did. I was thrilled when Moff went to drive for HDT,...what a pairing,...your comment with respect to Peter is relevant here?!
So Frank, it's all good, I don't believe We'll ever agree, but I do believe we're passionate racing fans.
Pickles.

[Pickles2]

C'mon Frank,tell me, how many races did Brock win in a VARIETY of Aussie cars...Tell me how many He won in Commodores??!!, using an AUSSIE 304/308 engine?...totally Aussie.
Likewise, how many races did Johnson, Bowe & Moffatt win in Sierras!?..And these guys won in Aussie cars too, same as Brock.
Frank, they ran what they ran, when they had to,... TO WIN.
Good to hear you owned a '48 Mercury. Believe it or not, probably still one of the favourite of all my cars. Very rarely does one see a nice one these days,...most have the dash painted wrongly, with a whole lot of other "woggy" interior stuff & other non original bits. Those were the days when cornering & braking was not so important, but to me my Ford was always better than my mates' FJs etc, wasn't always faster, but Jeez, it ALWAYS sounded better,....nothing like the sound of a good side valve with a nice dual exhaust set up. My twin spinner had a twin 2" set up, exhaust system running through the chassis with dual 24" Lukey Mufflers (one on each side!)
Pickles.
NB: Coulthard (Holden Driver!) has gone to DJR Penske,..You'd be happy with that.

[Tank]

My Single Spinner was fully imported from the states and using Ford Australia bits it was converted to RHD, the door cards were vinyl with the Ford V8 insignia embossed on them, also the roof headlining was also Vinyl.
The front seats were fold forward buckets from a 2 door USA model, only had 15K miles on it, ran like a dream, I wish I still had it, traded/swapped it for a 56 Ford Prefect + cash my way.
I actually like the Twin Spinner better and would give my left one to get hold of another Twin.
Became a Man (15 y.o.) in the back of my first 48 Merc and so did most of my mates, heaps of room you could walk (stooped) across the back from door to door, I still go weak at the knees when I see that 48 merc grill in mags and at shows, classic, Regards frank.







C'mon Frank,tell me, how many races did Brock win in a VARIETY of Aussie cars...Tell me how many He won in Commodores??!!, using an AUSSIE 304/308 engine?...totally Aussie.
Likewise, how many races did Johnson, Bowe & Moffatt win in Sierras!?..And these guys won in Aussie cars too, same as Brock.
Frank, they ran what they ran, when they had to,... TO WIN.
Good to hear you owned a '48 Mercury. Believe it or not, probably still one of the favourite of all my cars. Very rarely does one see a nice one these days,...most have the dash painted wrongly, with a whole lot of other "woggy" interior stuff & other non original bits. Those were the days when cornering & braking was not so important, but to me my Ford was always better than my mates' FJs etc, wasn't always faster, but Jeez, it ALWAYS sounded better,....nothing like the sound of a good side valve with a nice dual exhaust set up. My twin spinner had a twin 2" set up, exhaust system running through the chassis with dual 24" Lukey Mufflers (one on each side!)
Pickles.
NB: Coulthard (Holden Driver!) has gone to DJR Penske,..You'd be happy with that.

[Pickles2]

Top stuff top stuff.
"At 15"?...well you beat me by a couple of years!!
My Twin Spinner was RHD, but Frank, I never really thought about how that came to be,....must've been assembled in Aus, surely.
My Twin Spinner cost me $300 when I bought it with 60,000 miles on the clock, black, no rust except for a bit on the front bumper. It had brown leather trim, & had been owned by Mrs Henderson, of Henderson Springs. I sold it for $750, one of the few cars I've ever made money on.
Like you, I love that '48 Mercury Grille, and I also like the little bit "extra" they had over the Super De Lux. I haven't seen a good '48 Merc for years & years,.....there was a Red one on Car Sales for $38K but it didn't do much for me.
Regards, Martin.

[Homestar]

Not so different at all,
Quote:"Me?..Well I'm a bit different,..if you're interested in reading. My first car was a 1948 Ford Super DeLux Side Valve V8, followed by a 1948 Ford Mercury V8, followed by a 1951 Ford Twin Spinner V8 (gen 60,000mls!)." end quote.


My first car was a 48 Mercury (2X), then a 51 twin spinner, 49 Single Spinner, then a succession of Customlines 55 on, had a couple of holdens, both let me down badly.
You talk about Ford being all American, well holden Monaro ran a 350 chev. a Muncie gearbox, and a chev. 10 bolt diff, later changing over to the superior Ford 9".
Still my point is that Brock would not have won so many Bathursts if holden hadn't squibbed out by using a Vauxhall and opel small car against the full size Falcon, WHY?, because the full size holden couldn't cut it, Regards Frank.

I would call that smart racing. Winning races isn't all about having the fastest or best car. Smart people (and teams) win races. Knowing how to make the best of what you've got wins races.

[Tank]

I call it as holden building another crap car to foist on the Australian public and when it came to racing, full size holdens were rubbish and would never survive the rigours of racing.
The simple fact is holden never had a car to compete with the falcon so they bought in a ringer and when ford did the same thing with the Sierra holden cried and screamed and got the rules changed or they would have taken their bat and ball and gone home and as far as your statement,
Quote:" Knowing how to make the best of what you've got wins races"
holden never had a car to make the best of, so they stuffed prod. car racing and Bathurst by bringing in a Ringer, regards frank.







I would call that smart racing. Winning races isn't all about having the fastest or best car. Smart people (and teams) win races. Knowing how to make the best of what you've got wins races.

[Homestar]

Then we'll agree to disagree. :)

You're obviously a Ford man, which is fine, and I used to be a Holden man - up until about the VT Commodore, everything after that has been a disappointment. I've driven many Falcons, and many Commodores - and had to live with both as company cars over the decades, and if I had to choose now, it would be a Ford, but from the 70's through to about 2000 I found the Kingswoods/Commodores better to drive.

I don't think the Ford/Holden battle is likely to be solved here, or anyone's mids changed about who/which car is better if they have already made up their minds. :)

[1950landy]

I was a Holden buyer until I bought a VB , stands for very bad , have not bought a GM product since. Think the Citroen ( Lemon) C4 we just traded was as bad as the VB.

[PAT303]

I would call that smart racing. Winning races isn't all about having the fastest or best car. Smart people (and teams) win races. Knowing how to make the best of what you've got wins races.

Didn't he win by kicking his bother out of the teams second car?,and by getting the Sierra's blacked flagged because the guards were 3mm too wide?.Like Frank I'm not rubbishing Brock,he was a very good driver,but there is/was a dozen others of that era that fit that mold . Pat

[Pickles2]

Hey Frank, Mate,..Have you heard the VERY GOOD NEWS!!!
Mate, We're gonna be on the "same side" at the G.C.600,....Rusty is driving for Prodrive, to fill in for the injured Chaz!!
I reckon Rusty did a great job for HRT, & He will do a similar job for Prodrive,..He will get great "exposure" for the team, just like He did for HRT at Bathurst.
A fitting "finale" for a "RACER", don't you think?
Regards, Martin.

[pop058]

Hey Frank, Mate,..Have you heard the VERY GOOD NEWS!!!
Mate, We're gonna be on the "same side" at the G.C.600,....Rusty is driving for Prodrive, to fill in for the injured Chaz!!
I reckon Rusty did a great job for HRT, & He will do a similar job for Prodrive,..He will get great "exposure" for the team, just like He did for HRT at Bathurst.
A fitting "finale" for a "RACER", don't you think?
Regards, Martin.

I was wondering who they were going to get. I am not a R.I. fan but I think it is an excellent choice for Prodrive particularly from a PR point of view.

If he does well, it will stir the nest abit. :)

[Redback]

I really tried to watch the GC 600, but that has to be THE most boring race ever, I fell asleep and when I woke up, the misses was watching SVU:D

[pop058]

Where did RI finish anyway ??

[Pickles2]

Great race, & well done James.
Rusty finished well down the field,...I don't think the car was that flash, it was the same car run by the two girls at Bathurst.
Craig thinks he's a chance for the Championship, I don't think so....unless Frosty has an absolutely terrible end of season run, I reckon He's got it won,..and well deserved too.
Pickles.