Aftermarket nav on factory screen

[strydes]

Anyone done it to their D4?

I'm sure there are a few options but this is the one I found...
NAVIPLUS. COM.AU. (http://www.naviplus.com.au/#!OEM-Satellite-Navigation-system-for-Land-Rover-3rd-Gen-Brief-Review/c1gor/55626be50cf235f81952bbbe)

It's crossed my mind to enable my dead 'Nav' button through a kit like this one instead of buying a new Hema Navigator as long as I can get Hema to run on it. Be good to have something integrated rather than hanging off the windscreen with cabling down the dash.

I've no interest in going to that effort and expense for normal nav in the city (I prefer my phone for that anyway), but for an Oz lap the Camps8 waypoints and 4wd tracks will be useful if something like this could make it work.

[letherm]

I haven't thought about doing it as I have the factory satnav in my HSE. If it's as good as it seems it would be worth considering if the cost was reasonable. (Just looked at their web site and it says $1400.00. I'm not that disenchanted with the factory one yet :D ) Might be an option for those without factory satnav or later on if the factory updates are rubbish.

[Celtoid]

Hi,


I looked into this almost two years ago when I instantly became disenchanted with the TomTom on the windscreen after purchasing a newer D4 without SatNav.


My older D4 had SatNav and whilst some would say that it's crap, for me I found the pros outweighed the cons easily.


I'd have to dig up my old posts to get the details but IGO Primo sounds familiar. There was a local company in Brisbane ... in fact there were two that had fitted a system on D4s .... one of then on the Northside had fitted several, photos supplied, etc.


If I'm still on track, IGO Primo drives the Toyota OEM Systems ... sort of ironic :) ... or did then. But they (the fitment company) had managed to integrate almost all of the LR stuff using the OEM screen, including the 4WD functions. I'm certain it was HEMA capable.


However, it was well over $2K if memory serves and did not have voice command integrated, as that module is built into the LR SatNav. No voice command:- you do not have phone voice connectivity .... as in press speaker button on steering wheel and say "ET Phone Home" (Bluetooth still works but not to that level of integration). You also cannot zoom or put any voice guidance info into the system ... as in "Navigation, 20 Headworth Street" .... Navigation "Zoom in 3".


I'd be very pleased if somebody had managed full integration and could do it sub $2K.


Keep us posted please.


Cheers.

[Ben_Vapid]

Bluetooth pair your phone, open google maps > done. Save yourself the money and effort, much easier!

[Nicky]

Bluetooth pair your phone, open google maps > done. Save yourself the money and effort, much easier!
Only if you have video enabling

[l00kin4]

If I'm still on track, IGO Primo drives the Toyota OEM Systems ... sort of ironic :) ... or did then. But they (the fitment company) had managed to integrate almost all of the LR stuff using the OEM screen, including the 4WD functions. I'm certain it was HEMA capable.

However, it was well over $2K if memory serves and did not have voice command integrated, as that module is built into the LR SatNav. No voice command:- you do not have phone voice connectivity .... as in press speaker button on steering wheel and say "ET Phone Home" (Bluetooth still works but not to that level of integration). You also cannot zoom or put any voice guidance info into the system ... as in "Navigation, 20 Headworth Street" .... Navigation "Zoom in 3".

I'd be very pleased if somebody had managed full integration and could do it sub $2K.

Keep us posted please.

Cheers.

Thanks for this. I'm keen on this and have made contact with a supplier in Melbourne. It's still Igo and it is Hema compatible. I'm waiting on installation details. Will provide an update when I get a bit more info...

David

[letherm]

Bluetooth pair your phone, open google maps > done. Save yourself the money and effort, much easier!

Not heard of this before. Are you saying that this would replace the OEM satnav screen with google maps. If so how?

Martin

[Celtoid]

Bluetooth pair your phone, open google maps > done. Save yourself the money and effort, much easier!


This is the beauty of Open Source systems, if LR ever go down this path, if you have the equivalent of High-Ice (as in a video screen), you download an App and whatever is on your phone/ipad appears on the car's display.


When I say open source I mean not restricted by Configuration Files that are built into the software. Right now, in a Land Rover, you can have all the hardware in place but it will not work unless the car's Configuration File matches/is enabled. This is fact. You can have a reverse camera fitted but unless you enable the CCF, it will not work. You can't even change from Halogen to Xenon headlights without a CCF change.


With regards to the SatNav question, moot point really, until it actually happens. However, this is what Holden are doing now. I cannot comment on it's level of integration, etc, though.

[rufusking]

Bluetooth pair your phone, open google maps > done. Save yourself the money and effort, much easier!

Relies on you having cellular coverage!

[Nicky]

Bluetooth pair your phone, open google maps > done. Save yourself the money and effort, much easier!

Does this work for you? What are the specs of your car's display?

[strydes]

Bluetooth pair your phone, open google maps > done. Save yourself the money and effort, much easier!

I assume Ben you are just talking about having the spoken instructions come through the stereo when you select Bluetooth as your audio input and view the video on your phone? Not some kind of funky video over Bluetooth arrangement?

[Ben_Vapid]

I assume Ben you are just talking about having the spoken instructions come through the stereo when you select Bluetooth as your audio input and view the video on your phone? Not some kind of funky video over Bluetooth arrangement?

Correct, google maps audio directions come through your speakers, then grab a phone stand for your phone either in the cup holder or on your dash, I find all you need is a simple glance, the audio directions are generally most of what you need.

It may not work for you but i'd strongly recommend trying it before spending cash on more, it's great for my needs.

[Ben_Vapid]

Relies on you having cellular coverage!

True, though I only need nav when i'm in built up areas generally. When i'm bush i'm trusting Hema maps over any tom-tom/whereis/google map!

[strydes]

Yeh I prefer to use maps off my phone in the city too.

This is specifically to get access to Hema on the main screen rather than have an external unit like the Hema Navigator or run it on my phone screen which is too small (I refuse to have a phabet) and would need to be on and visible all the time on longer runs.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

IIRC in South Australia you're not allowed to use GPS navigation/mapping off a phone, in a cradle or not.

[Oztourer]

IIRC in South Australia you're not allowed to use GPS navigation/mapping off a phone, in a cradle or not.

Interesting and good to know. I live in NSW but travel to SA from time to time. I use the TomTom app on my smartphone as a GPS. How is this different to using a dedicated GPS unit?

[Tombie]

IIRC in South Australia you're not allowed to use GPS navigation/mapping off a phone, in a cradle or not.

You are allowed to use it for nav - but not 'operate it' whilst driving..

So don't touch your phone - regardless what mode it is in... Whilst driving.

[SBD4]

You are allowed to use it for nav - but not 'operate it' whilst driving..

So don't touch your phone - regardless what mode it is in... Whilst driving.
Same for NSW

[Lotz-A-Landies]

You are allowed to use it for nav - but not 'operate it' whilst driving..

So don't touch your phone - regardless what mode it is in... Whilst driving.
Not according to the Adelaide Advertiser

THEY look the same and work the same, but touch the wrong one and you could be slapped with demerit points and a hefty fine.

Drivers in South Australia caught using satellite navigation or GPS applications on their mobile phones risk breaking the law, even though most work exactly the same as dashboard GPS units - which are legal.No Cookies | The Advertiser (http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/drivers-confused-over-gps-laws/story-e6frea83-1225795376304)

Also: http://www.mac.sa.gov.au/mobile-phone-laws the use "creating, sending or looking at a text or video message on the phone;" would be the critical factor in the offence when you looked at the map

[Tombie]

Suggest you read ALL the article.

Particularly the "touch" part :p

[l00kin4]

Just passing on info here - no endorsement as haven't actually progressed beyond enquiry.

I followed this up with Naviplus - they have this unit for $1,250 which is based on Igo Primo: Satellite GPS Navigation Audio Upgrade FOR Range Rover Evoque in VIC | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/201413559227?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)

They advised this re Hema - For the HEMA Map, our iGO Mapping card comes with OziExplorer to load HEMA contents from HEMA DVD.

They are Melbourne based, don't have a DIY installation manual at this point. Did offer an installer in Sydney(Auburn) - I didn't ask the cost of this installation. Pretty helpful, also advised the following :



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The installation isn't hard as other systems - It's a plug & play system that HDD type GPS module connects to the back ports of the audio.

No need to wire to car's power etc - as It receives power from the car's audio - after all, It's an oem system.

The only hard part, probably for both installers and DIY is the GPS Antenna, which requires to be installed inside of the Engine bay, via gateway between glovebox and engine bay (this so called gateway is just a circular hole that gets blocked with rubber bushing, located behind glovebox)



For the installation of box and antenna, according to our installers they all claimed that it really depends on vehicle and preference.

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They all agreed that GPS Antenna definitely has to be installed inside of the engine bay - they normally install under body frame, tape it up with water&electric proof tape.

And for the box, mainly for Evoque they install it inside of the empty space below the audio unit, and for D4 - either same as Evoque or behind the monitor.

Installation inside of glovebox is ideal for Map card access for future updates, but our customers didn't want something to be inside of the glovebox all the time, reducing usable space.

So It's really preference of the driver and installer I suppose.

Video of how it works:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80FeqtcxuM8

I've attached a few photos they provided below.

I'm not quite clear on how the navigation is enabled by just plugging it in...? Not sure what other options exist in the market. Will have more of a poke around when time allows.


David


http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=100898&stc=1&d=1445380019
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=100900&d=1445380019


http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=100902&stc=1&d=1445380076

[l00kin4]

One other thing I considered. To access the SD card slot if the unit is tucked away behind the dash, could use an extension cable something like this: SD Microsd Card Extension Cable Adapter Flexible Extender Cable 24inch Long WIN5 | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/SD-MicroSD-CARD-Extension-Cable-Adapter-Flexible-Extender-Cable-24inch-Long-WIN5-/171752559098?hash=item27fd4011fa:g:vw0AAOSwGvhUH76 i)

[strydes]

Thanks for the info. I'm certainly tempted. I expect after doing a Traxide, UHF and electric brake controller install most of us wouldn't be too phased about the GPS antenna part, more nervous about pulling apart of the dash. Extension of the SD card reader to somewhere accessible would be a good idea.

So Lookin4 are you thinking of going for it?

[l00kin4]

Thanks for the info. I'm certainly tempted. I expect after doing a Traxide, UHF and electric brake controller install most of us wouldn't be too phased about the GPS antenna part, more nervous about pulling apart of the dash. Extension of the SD card reader to somewhere accessible would be a good idea.

So Lookin4 are you thinking of going for it?



Agree. Yes, thinking about it. Not too daunted about pulling the dash apart as I did it for my reversing camera retrofit. Just want to do a bit more research before committing in case there are better options out there (I haven't come across any) Will poke around Freelander forums and see if anyone has put this unit in...


David

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi David

Remind me is Your OEM system the H-K HiICE or later?

If H-K and you go ahead, would you be interested in being paid to install another system/s? (camera and nav on mine :) )

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi David

I went to the Naviplus site (http://www.naviplus.com.au/#!landrover-car-list/cj9o)and they don't list the D4 until post 2013, only the D3 to 2010 and the RRS to 2013? :( So MY12 D4 misses out again :BigCry: .

[strydes]

Hi David

I went to the Naviplus site (http://www.naviplus.com.au/#!landrover-car-list/cj9o)and they don't list the D4 until post 2013, only the D3 to 2010 and the RRS to 2013? :( So MY12 D4 misses out again :BigCry: .

You may be in luck, for the later version (in my original link) with upgrades whereby the audio and call data shows up over the navigation when selected and you don't have to hold down the button for an extended period to get into Nav, it seems to show 2012 as supported. Might be best to contact them though, as I had assumed by the date range it only supported the later Meridian systems.

From the site: 'Also, this system is compatible with any 3rd Gen Land Rover vehicles, which means any Land Rover vehicles from 2012 are compatible with this sytem, but must have 7" touch display audio.'

[Lotz-A-Landies]

You may be in luck, for the later version (in my original link) with upgrades whereby the audio and call data shows up over the navigation when selected and you don't have to hold down the button for an extended period to get into Nav, it seems to show 2012 as supported. Might be best to contact them though, as I had assumed by the date range it only supported the later Meridian systems.

From the site: 'Also, this system is compatible with any 3rd Gen Land Rover vehicles, which means any Land Rover vehicles from 2012 are compatible with this sytem, but must have 7" touch display audio.'It has the 7" screen (Harmon Kardon Hi-ICE) but is a 2011 build MY12 model. I've been waiting till it was out of factory warranty before upgrading, so now I can.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Looked at the link, but it is talking about the Meridian system or at least that is what I am seeing.

My OEM HK system is the same as the image above (although my trim is camel coloured :angel: )

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachments/d3-d4-rrs/100902d1445380076-aftermarket-nav-factory-screen-20150508_090442.jpg