Disco 5 spy pics...

[CSBrisie]

SPY PICS: Land Rover smooths next Disco (http://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/news/2015/land-rover/discovery/spy-pics-land-rover-smooths-next-disco-54747)


First pics!

[letherm]

SPY PICS: Land Rover smooths next Disco (http://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/news/2015/land-rover/discovery/spy-pics-land-rover-smooths-next-disco-54747)


First pics!

Hard to be sure but it looks like they've made the rear like the RR - sloped down slightly rather than box shaped. :(

Martin

[pprass]

I don't think that I like it. It is no longer the iconic LR Discovery look with the step down bit on the roof :( That's its trade mark style isn't it?

[Eevo]

looks like a cross between a D4 and a D3

[Tombie]

I don't think that I like it. It is no longer the iconic LR Discovery look with the step down bit on the roof :( That's its trade mark style isn't it?

That word is way over used :cool:

And there is still a (small) rise in that roof line.... ;)

Iconic is the brand, with its capability... Iconic is the instantly recognisable Defender/Series profile...

[jonesy63]

There are a few design issues I don't like:

Wheel size is now 22" or 23" - it might brake and drive like a car, but offroad tyre options will be hopeless for the forseeable future
Spare tyre hangs even lower than outgoing models - rear departure angle will be compromised
Body looks like it is lower to ground


No thanks Land Rover design team - you can keep it. (I suspect the school-run mums will love it). :angel:

[Disco-tastic]

I'm sure it will still have air suspension jonesy, so can be lifted as per the current model. There are other pics with the mule wearing generic rims which at a guess would be 19's or 20's so tyres may not be a problem.

Who knows? Maybe those pics are of the SVR or SVX model which is why its lower with bigger wheels? Maybe its just being driven round in access mode?

I reckon it looks a bit disproportionate with the bulbous rear roof. Its kinda halfway between a D4 and a new rangey, and it looks like a bit of a mish mash. Hopefully when we see it without camo it will look better.

In truth, it doesn't bother me as I cant afford one!

Cheers

Dan

[Tombie]

There are a few design issues I don't like:



Wheel size is now 22" or 23" - it might brake and drive like a car, but offroad tyre options will be hopeless for the forseeable future

Spare tyre hangs even lower than outgoing models - rear departure angle will be compromised

Body looks like it is lower to ground





No thanks Land Rover design team - you can keep it. (I suspect the school-run mums will love it). :angel:


Wheel size won't be looking at the multitudes of pics any worse than now.

Spare is higher and more angled - and the rear more tapered in those shots - so departure looks improved over current unit.

Body in that shot looks to be in road mode... And looking at relationship between hub and body seems about the same as current model.

I look forward to seeing the new unit unmasked....

[Celtoid]

Not sure I like the idea of them being made in Eastern Europe though ....

The Poms have such a handle on Quality Control :wasntme:

[rar110]

Looks like a bigger version of the Discovery Sport which makes sense.

[theins]

hhhmmmm.... much more curvy than the current model - wonder what the impact on cargo space will be..

[scarry]

Have a look at this link,seems to have smaller rims.:)

Maybe the spare tyre sits differently to make room for a larger fuel tank



2018 Land Rover Discovery, Danger Of Replica Wheels, 2015 F1 Title Declared: Today (http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1100639_2018-land-rover-discovery-danger-of-replica-wheels-2015-f1-title-declared-todays-car-news)

[jonesy63]

Much better than the 23" wheels on the concept vehicle they showed! ;)

[stuee]

The aluminum construction should give it a couple of hundred kilos back in load capacity if the rangies are anything to go by.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

tiny windows,,:(

[Neavesie]

I hope they do justice to the discovery name. My first impressions are it doesnt look like something I would buy for touring. Lets see how it finishes up.

But based on looks alone it's a thumbs down from me.[emoji107]

[strydes]

We were never going to get another box on wheels so with that in mind I think it looks ok. Assuming they'll be keeping that same silhouette for the next decade it had to fall more in line with the new LR styling approach. More of a stepped roof would be nice though!

Shouldn't be a hard to make existing Disco fan's like it though... lose 400kg, tweak the brakes to make a base model with 18" wheels, and design a proper tow hitch which it kind of looks like they've done in the pics. With the rest of the car just as good as the current one that'd be enough to sign me up.

[Melbourne Park]

I reckon a steel chassis that the body sits on last much longer when towing.

The weight loss is great, but when you add over 2 tonne via towing something, the strength and longevity issues can still outweigh (pun intended) loosing weight.

[Tombie]

Do some research into the strength of hydro forming - I believe this new vehicle will be far stronger than the current Steel chassis version.

If a monocoque sedan can happily pull 2.5t with the right tow pack without issue then this new unit will no doubt be well within capability and longevity.

What really needs to happen is for a mandate on towing and manufacturers to produce vans from composites etc and work towards a lower ATM limit... Something like emissions levels... By 2017 for example no caravan to exceed 3000kg ATM etc..

(With composites and modern techniques there's no reason for modern Vans to weigh more than 2750kg at even the larger limits.)

[DiscoMick]

If its made in the same factory as the new Defender, it will be interesting to see if the Defender also uses the lighter aluminium platform used in the D5.

Sent from my GT-P5210 using AULRO mobile app

[rar110]

If its made in the same factory as the new Defender, it will be interesting to see if the Defender also uses the lighter aluminium platform used in the D5. Sent from my GT-P5210 using AULRO mobile app

I understand the plan is to make the new Defender in Europe and to use a similar chassis concept.

[MrLandy]

D5 looks to be a bigger version of Disco Sport. A city centric SUV as expected. ...2018 Defender will look more like a D4 IMO.

[Tombie]

D5 looks to be a bigger version of Disco Sport. A city centric SUV as expected. ...2018 Defender will look more like a D4 IMO.


So a lack of rivets and rounded panels = city centric??

[PAT303]

Do some research into the strength of hydro forming - I believe this new vehicle will be far stronger than the current Steel chassis version.

If a monocoque sedan can happily pull 2.5t with the right tow pack without issue then this new unit will no doubt be well within capability and longevity.

What really needs to happen is for a mandate on towing and manufacturers to produce vans from composites etc and work towards a lower ATM limit... Something like emissions levels... By 2017 for example no caravan to exceed 3000kg ATM etc..

(With composites and modern techniques there's no reason for modern Vans to weigh more than 2750kg at even the larger limits.)

That will never happen,the Oz van manufacturers will scream about closing up shop with all the lost jobs,Toybota and Missan should be held accountable for their over wieght barges for the same reason. Pat

[SBD4]

D5 looks to be a bigger version of Disco Sport. A city centric SUV as expected. ...2018 Defender will look more like a D4 IMO.
That's the full size disco5 concept.

The spy pics show the car to be almost identical to the concept save for some of the disguise panels:

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/attachment.php?attachmentid=101173&stc=1&d=1446041009

Anyone have a view on how long is it to full production from the time cars are seen in camo?
EDIT: seems to be about a year. So perhaps a late 2016 release with early 2017 in Aus?

[Graeme]

So perhaps a late 2016 release with early 2017 in Aus?For some time now the suggestion has been late 2016 release with first (UK?) customer deliveries early 2017.

[MrLandy]

So a lack of rivets and rounded panels = city centric??

Yeah, looks totally bush ready to me, nothing to mod whatsoever. 👍

[rar110]

Yeah, looks totally bush ready to me, nothing to mod whatsoever. ddc4d

Check out some YouTube footage, you may be surprised.

[TerryO]

What really needs to happen is for a mandate on towing and manufacturers to produce vans from composites etc and work towards a lower ATM limit... Something like emissions levels... By 2017 for example no caravan to exceed 3000kg ATM etc..

(With composites and modern techniques there's no reason for modern Vans to weigh more than 2750kg at even the larger limits.)


That is fine to say what the industry should be forced to do but would it be affordable?

If you compare the various so called light weight composite bodied vans that are built for Australian conditions that are around now, for a van over 20' they all start around the 110k plus mark which prices them out of the ballpark for the vast majority of van buyers.
I recently roughly costed a good quality light weight off road 24' composite bodied van with an alloy chassis which would have had a TARE of approximately 2500kg and with the extras I wanted it was easily heading towards 170k plus. I gave up costing it any further at that point but I reckon it would have ended up at around the $180k plus mark.

Given your preferred ATM of 3ton then 2500kg would be about the maximum TARE weight allowed if you want a reasonable usable carrying capacity.

As far as I know the vast majority of over 20' new vans sold are priced in the $50k - $75k zone it is unlikely that the majority of van buyers could step up to the higher costs that would come with light weight vans even if they were forced to by law and as you would like to see happen.

Personally I'd really like a decent sized extended travel, live in, light weight off road capable van but right now the price, for me anyway, is prohibitive.
I also did a cost comparing exercise and a similar 24' conventional built van with the same lay out that has all the same bells and whistles weighs approx 600kg more and costs about $110k all up, that is roughly $60k cheaper than the similar light weight version.

Good idea but at this stage until a van builder works out how to do it affordably and in mass more than likely not realistic for one and secondly if forced to and the prices stayed the same could ruin most of the caravan industry.

[Tombie]

I've been quoted for supply only of a composite van structure (owner assembled).
The walls, roof, floor and cupboards all made from the composite.

No framing required, just a chassis...

FirefoxGC built a monster van using composite - and has all bells and whistles - offroad spec and over 30' - and it's under 2,750kg...

His price was far cheaper than BT/Kedron etc even paying a team to assemble the unit...

It can be done, it's should be done... And if manufacturers think smart, it is easily done and cost effective to change their production methods.

There is a production saving to be made in composite construction - so manufacturing should get easier, cheaper, faster - enabling either price reduction (unlikely) or increased profit margin...

[MR LR]

The new 200 series looks better! :wasntme:

[Tombie]

I have had the date given to me for the new model release :cool:

They will by MY17 plated if that helps ;)

[jon3950]

Well I like what I've seen so far and losing half a ton can only be good thing in my book.

It may not be the most practical outback tourer but I think you'll find the new Defender will fill that role. For many of us here that will probably be a better fit in the future.

I know a lot of people would prefer it if Land Rover stuck to making 1940's farm equipment, but I think where they are heading both in terms of product development and manufacturing processes is really interesting.

Cheers,
Jon

[MrLandy]

I think it's really boring mainstreaming. Yes it does look like a 200 series!

Reckon I'll be getting my 3D printer out and building my own, now that would be interesting. Now let me see, hose-out flat floors and real clearance for a start. ...even that will set it apart from the clones.

[jon3950]

I think it's really boring mainstreaming. Yes it does look like a 200 series!

Reckon I'll be getting my 3D printer out and building my own, now that would be interesting. Now let me see, hose-out flat floors and real clearance for a start. ...even that will set it apart from the clones.

So when was the last time you hosed out the interior of your Defender? :)

The Disco is just not aimed at that market. You think its boring and mainstream, I think its modern and stylish.

Unfortunately a lot of the body shape is driven by regulation, that's the world we live in. The only reason the Defender sticks out is because it hasn't been updated since the Series II was introduced. (And yes that's part of the appeal for people like you and I.)

Just as an aside, I've hosed out the interior of the Disco a few times now (unintentionally) with no adverse effect. Took some mopping up though. :)

Cheers,
Jon

[MrLandy]

He he, hosed it out last week actually 😎

[jon3950]

He he, hosed it out last week actually 😎

Ha, good one :)

You shouldn't buy a Disco then!

[MrLandy]

No I won't 😉 ...problem is now they're all disco's! Or is that disco sports? Or 2018 Disco Defenders? ...I can't tell.

...Umm do they all have mirror balls inside?

[shanegtr]

Cant say Im really a fan of the new shape. I like the current Disco as its a good balance between the comfort of say a RR (but obviously not at the same level) and the function of a Defender. The way it looks like they are going is more to the upper side of the market. But as a bonus I suppose the next generation "Defender" will slot in where the Disco left off

[MrLandy]

Cant say Im really a fan of the new shape. I like the current Disco as its a good balance between the comfort of say a RR (but obviously not at the same level) and the function of a Defender. The way it looks like they are going is more to the upper side of the market. But as a bonus I suppose the next generation "Defender" will slot in where the Disco left off

Yup, which really means no more Defender. ...Not convinced that's a 'bonus'.

[scarry]

Yeah, looks totally bush ready to me, nothing to mod whatsoever. 👍

Yep,even the tyres seem to be bush ready LT A/T's:(

Looks like a soccer mum's chariot to me,in fact just a Disco sport on steroids.

And as others have said,the glass is getting smaller with each model.

[TerryO]

I bet if you go back to comments made back around 2004 when the first pics of D3's came out plenty of the then D2 and D1 owners said LR had wrecked the Disco with the yet to be released D3 and Disco's would never be as capable, sturdy or as good off road as the current versions.

So let's wait a couple of years and see what the conclusion is about the yet to arrive D5.

When it comes to Defender owners commenting on Disco's be they the new version or all the way back to the original D1 they will tell you we all drive pretend Land Rovers no matter what year or model, ask nearly any Defender owner they all know the only real LR's are Defenders. ... ;)

Anyway I bet many current D3/4 owners in time just move on and love the new D5 when it arrives.

What's the bet?

[scarry]

I bet if you go back to comments made back 2004 when the first pics of D3's came out plenty of the then D2 and D1 owners said LR had wrecked the Disco with the yet to be released D3 and Disco's would never be the same or as capable or sturdy, or as good off road.

Let's wait a couple of years and see what the conclusion is about the yet to arrive D5. Defender owners will just whinge about Disco's, be they new versions or even back to the original D1 no matter what, as any Defender owner knows the only real LR's are Defenders. ... ;)

Anyway I bet many current D3/4 owners in time just move on and love the new D5.

What's the bet?

And they will also be whinging about the new defender as it will be nothing like the old one.

[TerryO]

Well Paul you quoted me before I finished rewriting my comment, but that's alright either version is ok.

[MrLandy]

I bet if you go back to comments made back around 2004 when the first pics of D3's came out plenty of the then D2 and D1 owners said LR had wrecked the Disco with the yet to be released D3 and Disco's would never be as capable, sturdy or as good off road as the current versions.

So let's wait a couple of years and see what the conclusion is about the yet to arrive D5.

When it comes to Defender owners commenting on Disco's be they the new version or all the way back to the original D1 they will tell you we all drive pretend Land Rovers no matter what year or model, ask nearly any Defender owner they all know the only real LR's are Defenders. ... ;)

Anyway I bet many current D3/4 owners in time just move on and love the new D5 when it arrives.

What's the bet?

But that would be no fun!

For the record I think Discos are fantastic for the mainstream market. But they are simply not the seriously heavy duty vehicle required for constant heavy work use across 90% of the Australian continent, the farming sector, defence, etc.

The way people are talking about the new Defender, the mass market and the capability of Disco's I don't know why LR are even bothering with a new Defender. Obviously they think they'll capture the hilux market, but they are wrong IMO.

Who is going to fill the massive Tojo 75 series market (and what should be the massive Defender market)?

[spottedreptile]

We will be right in this market about the time the new Discovery is launching in Oz. But I don't know . . . looks like the split rear tailgate is gone, which would be a pity. I might be wrong there, but I couldn't see it. Also, yes, windows are reducing. The forward crumple zone is RR exactly. Other than that, reserving judgment until dimensions and specs come out. I wouldn't mind the new lightweight but not going to give up functionality for it.

[rar110]

You're probably right about the tailgate. The Disco Sport and RRS have a single top hinge door.

[weeds]

The way people are talking about the new Defender, the mass market and the capability of Disco's I don't know why LR are even bothering with a new Defender. Obviously they think they'll capture the hilux market, but they are wrong


Because not all us want to shell out the dollars for Disco......

The new defender will need to be sub $50k.....OK $60k to make it interesting to the mass market. Either way non landie owner would shy away from the first release.

[~Rich~]

Off the Disco3.uk site:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/11/1042.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/2018Discoanim_zps3mwluolt.gif.html)

I like the look of it, time will tell how accurate the artists impression is.

[Celtoid]

Because not all us want to shell out the dollars for Disco......

The new defender will need to be sub $50k.....OK $60k to make it interesting to the mass market. Either way non landie owner would shy away from the first release.


What do the latest Deefers cost now? I thought that they were already on the plus side of $50K?

[scarry]

You're probably right about the tailgate. The Disco Sport and RRS have a single top hinge door.

Bugga,that split stepped tailgate was very hand for a number of reasons.A very handy design,real shame it looks like it is gone.:(

[Celtoid]

But that would be no fun!

For the record I think Discos are fantastic for the mainstream market. But they are simply not the seriously heavy duty vehicle required for constant heavy work use across 90% of the Australian continent, the farming sector, defence, etc.

The way people are talking about the new Defender, the mass market and the capability of Disco's I don't know why LR are even bothering with a new Defender. Obviously they think they'll capture the hilux market, but they are wrong IMO.

Who is going to fill the massive Tojo 75 series market (and what should be the massive Defender market)?


So what's the elusive 'Heavy Duty? Requirement? The Defender had it? Massive drops in sales would indicate otherwise .... even in the UK.


A D4 has the T5 (I Think?) chassis, the strongest LR ever built until maybe the super alloys in the RRs ... that's across the range.


Reports read: (Not my words, others on this and other sites)


"Defenders have drive train issues that have been summed up as 'the running gear being made of butter (or parts of it)'.


The Deefers are seriously underpowered to boot. They have a massive turning circle, are rough as guts and are as noisy as hell...."


...and that's not mentioning the constant reliability issues that LR had to wear as a Badge of Dishonour Vs the fact that the D3/4 and RRS Sport spearheaded the reliability sales that probably saved the Brand.... although not for Britain, as the company became American and then Indian :(.


So, is the heavy duty standard measured by the fact that you can bash it and break it? It would be very interesting to strip down a D4 and see how it would go .... I think you'd be surprised.


Rubber mats, panels that can get bashed around .... seriously superficial.....easy to achieve ... seriously ....


Or is the electronic ... wizardry being the weak point? .... well there is that. But unfortunately, if you want to drive it on the road legally today .... you're going to have to live with that reality.


You could use the same hull/chassis as a D4 and do whatever you wanted. ....


I guess we will see what Tata deem as their biggest priority. They may see LR as luxury plus as they move forward ... with a Tata 4WD being the 'Heavy Duty' alternate ..... :angry: It would be, as you said, stupid to leave a big hole in a market that could be captured.


But I guess time will tell.

[~Rich~]

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[WhiteD3]

Looks like a Disco sport with a better looking back end. If they lose the "command driving position" or whatever they call it (big windows) in the name of style I think they'll lose customers.




https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/11/857.jpg (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/VSK5/media/2017-land-rover-discovery-wm-2_zpsb4aoda1d.jpg.html)

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[MrLandy]

Oh look, surprise surprise another generic SUV! and such a practical looking load space! Not.

...looks like it's Twerking to me.

[Tombie]

Oh look, surprise surprise another generic SUV! and such a practical looking load space! Not.

...looks like it's Twerking to me.


Oh look surprise surprise. :) Another negative MrLandy post about the new range... :D

Load space may very well be as big as or more usable than the current one.. Until you can crawl over it all comments regarding its practicality are just waffle...

[MrLandy]

Oh look surprise surprise. :) Another negative MrLandy post about the new range... :D

Load space may very well be as big as or more usable than the current one.. Until you can crawl over it all comments regarding its practicality are just waffle...

Yup and vice versa bro. It's all speculation, yours and mine 😳 But I know the pics above look like a generic SUV, it looks like a Holden Captiva to me.

[TerryO]

I love the look of a Captiva. ... :angel:

Calm down Mr Landy you will get your chance soon enough to be even more envious of Disco owners when the new D5 is released.

[MrLandy]

Ha 👍 Good call, nice try. At least someone here gets that it's all just banter 😜 In fact these D5 pics almost make me want a D4!

[shanegtr]

Yup and vice versa bro. It's all speculation, yours and mine 😳 But I know the pics above look like a generic SUV, it looks like a Holden Captiva to me.

Nah, looks like a ford territory

[Tombie]

Yup and vice versa bro. It's all speculation, yours and mine 😳 But I know the pics above look like a generic SUV, it looks like a Holden Captiva to me.

Actually I've made very little speculation either way...

If it suits my needs I may well upgrade, otherwise I will hold onto what I have.

Either way - we have an artist impression and thats it...

It has the new signature front, a better (if the render is anything to go by) departure angle, and looks mildly higher under the guts in the spy shots.

Until I see one in the flesh I cant judge if it is suitable or otherwise...

[BMKal]

Nah, looks like a ford territory

Just out of coincidence, I pulled up at the local Ford dealer and had a look at the new Everest they have on display out the front yesterday. It was the mid-spec "Trend" model, with a drive-away price of just under $70K.

The Disco certainly has nothing to fear from this as a competitor - I was not impressed, especially by the interior which looked very "cheap" and "plastic" compared to the D4 (and mine is a base model).

While I was there, a bloke pulled up behind me in a Nissan Patrol ute and saw me looking at the Ford (the local Ford dealer is also the Nissan dealer). His first comment to me was - "you're not thinking of trading the Landie in on THAT, are you ?" I told him that I was only looking at it out of curiosity.

Parked next to the Everest on the lot was a Territory Ghia TdV6 diesel - a much better looking and better finished vehicle than the Everest any day of the week in my opinion. ;)

As for the new Disco 5 - I don't mind the look of it at all (though I prefer the more square "boxy" shape of the D3/D4 - and I'm a fan of the split tail gate). I was reading an article yesterday which claims that the Disco 5 will have better off-road ability and more interior room than the D4 - so I think some people are basing their views purely on personal opinion and lack of facts. Better to wait until it is released to see what it will really be like. ;)

[PAT303]

Remember Brian people will always criticise what they don't understand.This argument about the D5 and Defender replacement and the ''softening'' of LR vehicles in general has now been in about 5 threads,all with the same people wanting basic vehicles you can fix out in the bush, :confused: I prefer the 6 P's approach myself eliminating the problem in the first place and the same people telling them why LR can no longer make them that way. Pat