End of D4?

[Nicky]

If you look at some European LandRover sites, it would appear that LR are clearing the D4s. There seem to be less standard options, fewer colours, no leather etc. (Perhaps only in the HSE form) Couldn't even find rear e-diff option. The special Disco here is only in white, with black interior.
The D5 must be close.

[Tombie]

If you look at some European LandRover sites, it would appear that LR are clearing the D4s. There seem to be less standard options, fewer colours, no leather etc. (Perhaps only in the HSE form) Couldn't even find rear e-diff option. The special Disco here is only in white, with black interior.
The D5 must be close.

A ways off yet... MY17 build plates for D5 in Oz

[Nicky]

A ways off yet... MY17 build plates for D5 in Oz

Not so far, look here
DISCO4.COM - View topic - Discovery HSE MY16 special order. (http://disco4.com/forum/topic136211.html)

[jonesy63]

That was an order for a MY16 D4... unless I didn't put on my decoder glasses! :D

[Nicky]

That was an order for a MY16 D4... unless I didn't put on my decoder glasses! :D

Yes which means if you want a new current-shaped D4, then get your order in
SAP.
I have looked over a Discovery Sport, and see that the D5 will look similar, just more gadgets and options via the computer, and a straight 6 engine. The charm and practicallity of the D4 will go, along with most loyal LR customers.

[ryrrek]

I ordered a highly optioned MY2016 HSE four weeks ago, with delivery due late January. We currently have a 2008 D3 (50,000 kms) and a 2010 D4 (105,000 kms), both of which we are keeping. They've been exceptional cars, and are in mint condition.

My decision to buy now was related to timing. I have little doubt that the D5 will be well designed and drive well, but I believe it would be around 18 months from now before a build to order one would be available. I recall waiting 7 months for my D4 ordered shortly after release date. The D5 will undoubtedly be less practical in some areas (less square, less glass area) and better in others (lighter, fuel efficiency, handling). The D4 does everything I require of a car, and is the most comfortable car I've ever owned (previously 2 VWs, 3 Subarus and 2 earlier Discoverys). I'll almost certainly buy a D5, but probably not until the first update.

[PeterOZ]

I suspect it will be very popular with the trendy young couples and the kid drop off mums.


D5 Does not appeal to me, not that I can afford one. I'll just keep getting things done on the D3 as it needs it. As I have just had a new engine fitted it should serve me nicely for a few more years. :p

[Tombie]

Yes which means if you want a new current-shaped D4, then get your order in
SAP.
I have looked over a Discovery Sport, and see that the D5 will look similar, just more gadgets and options via the computer, and a straight 6 engine. The charm and practicality of the D4 will go, along with most loyal LR customers.

What a load of bollocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool::angel:

That same line has been said of every model update since the Series I...

All that is happening at the moment is the building of Brand Identity - Grouping the vehicles into a format that will lead them forward...

Add to that modern global regulations for emissions, impact, pedestrians etc and you will find many vehicles will need to adopt sweeping lines, soft edges etc...

Beauty is only skin deep - the capability will lie beneath.

And an inline six should have more torque than its V counterpart (V config is a packaging exercise mostly)

[rar110]

I'd expect the D5 to be somewhere between the current RRS & DS. It will be at least as capable as a RRS, if it retains EAS. It will be interesting to see if LR use a rear suspension similar to the DS, which seems to allow for a wider cargo area. I'd also expect the D5 to have an optional dual transfer box, like the current RRS.

[TerryO]

I bet most 'loyal Land Rover owners' and many others who would never consider a LR product end up queuing up for the D5 once it is released and they see how good it is, because I bet it will be that good.

Me, I'll more than likely stick with our V8 D4 for the foreseeable future, way to much car for so little money. But I would never say a D5 won't be in our future just because of some half baked spy photo's that are put out there prior to the vehicle being released.

[Nicky]

What a load of bollocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool::angel:

That same line has been said of every model update since the Series I...

All that is happening at the moment is the building of Brand Identity - Grouping the vehicles into a format that will lead them forward...

Add to that modern global regulations for emissions, impact, pedestrians etc and you will find many vehicles will need to adopt sweeping lines, soft edges etc...

Beauty is only skin deep - the capability will lie beneath.

And an inline six should have more torque than its V counterpart (V config is a packaging exercise mostly)






And who will be an early adopter? The current D4 has evolved from the same shell D3 slowly since 2004. It has evolved over 11 years. The first of a new line will always need updaters. Do you want to go first? How much more torque do we want?

[Tombie]

Would happily do that.. And my lease ends conveniently around the release date...

If it meets my needs I'd suggest I will be...

[Graeme]

If it meets my needs I'd suggest I will be...Some owners of the new RRS are looking forward to being able to "keep the suspension up" (and down) in a few months so presumably some D5 owners will also want to.

[LandyAndy]

Would happily do that.. And my lease ends conveniently around the release date...

If it meets my needs I'd suggest I will be...

Mine ends 2019,time for them to sort them out;);););)
Andrew

[Redback]

Will mean nothing to us, never ever buying a new LR product ever again.

[TerryO]

Will mean nothing to us, never ever buying a new LR product ever again.

If your after advice on getting another Land Cruiser to replace the D4 Barry then I reckon old mate Melbourne Park would be the man to speak to. ... ;)

[PeterOZ]

the quandry on at to buy to replace my curent D3, a decision about 5 years off more thn likely.


Very, very unlikely to be another LR. Love my D3 but not a fan of the new line up.


hmmmmm :burnrubber:

[TerryO]

Seriously what new LR line up?

Sure everyone knows everything about the Disco Sport but bugger all really about the new D5.

Same goes for the new Defender, no one even knows what that thing will truly even look like or what it's features are likely to be. So how is it that people are already judging the 'new LR line up' when only one of three models has been made public?

[jon3950]

The biggest problem with any new LR model will be that it is new. People don't like change.

Really, how could they possibly be any good if they are not based on a piece of post-war agricultural equipment?

Cheers,
Jon

[PeterOZ]

my views are my views, I don't care for the new line up and there is no value in others attacking that view.


What is it with online forums and the keyboard warrier mentality.


So seriously you enjoy your view and I'll enjoy mine which is I do not care for the new LR line up. QED


:soapbox:

[Redback]

If your after advice on getting another Land Cruiser to replace the D4 Barry then I reckon old mate Melbourne Park would be the man to speak to. ... ;)

Premature ejaculation



Will mean nothing to us, never ever buying a new LR product ever again.

[Graeme]

Will mean nothing to us, never ever buying a new LR product ever again.Buy one at the end of warranty with low kms and the 3 month / 5K statutory warranty is up before you realise it so you're on your own thereafter.

[jon3950]

I wasn't actually referring to your post Peter, so apologies if I caused offence.

I just find it funny that every time LR bring out a new model it seems to be the end of the world - the D3 is a classic case. I too have been guilty of it in the past but every time the new model manages to prove itself.

Cheers,
Jon

[Greatsouthernland]

Starting to look too much like the Evoque....

...and that's fine if you like the Evoque look ;)

[Greatsouthernland]

New defender looks interesting...Mini Cooper on steroids?

https://youtu.be/jfageSQ0VkU

[TerryO]

Premature ejaculation


You know Barry if you go see a doctor they might be able to prescribe something to assist you with that. ... :angel:

[jonesy63]

I just find it funny that every time LR bring out a new model it seems to be the end of the world - the D3 is a classic case.

Hey Jon,
I was guilty of that too - having delayed ordering my D3 until "version 2" came out - the MY07 update. Well, that sure did bite me on the bum! I had numerous HPFP failures (due to stupid bearing design on EuroIV), brake recall, etc.

Sometimes waiting for v2 doesn't help either! ;)

Cheers,
Rob

[Smcconnell]

The biggest problem with any new LR model will be that it is new. People don't like change.

Really, how could they possibly be any good if they are not based on a piece of post-war agricultural equipment?

Cheers,
Jon

How dare you introduce an intelligent argument into this thread!

[WhiteD3]

I've been following this thread with a great deal of anguish and upset. I can't wait for another 2 or 3 years for a D5!!!

I may have to get a new defender to tide me over but..........where are all the spy picks of it?

Mocking up a D5 seems pretty easy to me...RR Sport with bigger windows and crappy, tiny rear lights.

[ozscott]

I suspect that LR will see the Deefer off road ability and D5 get further apart from the current situation. My bet is that if you want the best new offroader you will need to go the new defender by quite a margin.

Ps. The d3 was the end of the world wasnt it? ;)

[jon3950]

I suspect that LR will see the Deefer off road ability and D5 get further apart from the current situation. My bet is that if you want the best new offroader you will need to go the new defender by quite a margin.


I suspect you're right. I think the D5 will be a good thing and won't be short of off-road capability, in the same way the RRS is. For those of us who want to go bush regularly though I'd expect the new Defender would become the vehicle of choice, but who knows.


Ps. The d3 was the end of the world wasnt it? ;) Only for the Luddites! ;) (that included me when I still had a D2 :()

Cheers,
Jon

[ozscott]

Haha!

[Nicky]

I suspect that LR will see the Deefer off road ability and D5 get further apart from the current situation. My bet is that if you want the best new offroader you will need to go the new defender by quite a margin.

Ps. The d3 was the end of the world wasnt it? ;)

?..and the D3 spawned the current D4 which is an amazing vehicle

[ozscott]

I think the d3 is very capable. I wheel with a mate who has one. We found the limit of ramp over with the air suspension fully up in emergency lift versus the D2 but the traction control is definitely better than d2. Cheers

Ps. Lets just wait to see what the d5 brings but I suspect defender will have the same traction system but with better clearance and approach and departure angles. Just MTCW. Cheers

[TerryO]

It's not the approach and departures angles that are the weak spot with the D3/4 in fact they are pretty good, it's the ramp over angle, basically the wheel base is to long given the max diameter of tyre that can be fitted.

If a 110 Defender was limited to 32" tyres I would put money on the D3/4 if also fitted with the same 32" tyres and either a rods/Llams kit fitted in most situations.
A D2 when heavily modded and big tyres can go most places, but again limit it to 32" tyres and while the ramp over angle is better than a D3/4 if pushed it will end up dragging its arse seriously on the ground. A well modded D1 will go places a similar modded D2 would struggle, no issues with approach, ramp over or departure angles with the first Disco.

Horses for courses really.

[ozscott]

It's not the approach and departures angles that are the weak spot with the D3/4 in fact they are pretty good, it's the ramp over angle, basically the wheel base is to long for the max diameter of tyre that can be fitted.

Agree completely Terry. Mine is mildly modified at 30.5 inch tyres and 2 inch lift and cleared the obstacle with 3 inches or more to spare where the D3 with stock 30 inch tyres got hung up. I love getting 2 generations of LR out on the trails. Its great (and not clean) fun.

Cheers

[gghaggis]

The specs for the D5 are pretty well locked down, whereas the replacement Defender is still being tested. In stock trim the D5 will be a more capable off-roader than the D4.

Of course, the after market businesses will take a while to catch up.

Cheers

Gordon

[ozscott]

The Defender details are being kept quiet - part of that might be the fact as Gordon says that they are still nailing down the details! It will be interesting to see how they can improve on d4 offroad. There is only so much traction control can do when travel is expended and the d4 system is awesome. Make it go higher in emergency situations perhaps? Wheel base would be the same?. Would 20 inch wheels be standard on base model or 19's? Cheers

[garbage]

Anyone willing to throw out predictions as to driveaway prices for the D5 and what equipment might now come standard on the base model? The Discovery hovers around the LCT area, so I'm wondering if LR will at least try and keep the base model below this price.

[scarry]

The Defender details are being kept quiet - part of that might be the fact as Gordon says that they are still nailing down the details! It will be interesting to see how they can improve on d4 offroad. There is only so much traction control can do when travel is expended and the d4 system is awesome. Make it go higher in emergency situations perhaps? Wheel base would be the same?. Would 20 inch wheels be standard on base model or 19's? Cheers

Let's hope 18 or17" will fit.

Lighter vehicle may have smaller brakes.

[scarry]

The specs for the D5 are pretty well locked down, whereas the replacement Defender is still being tested. In stock trim the D5 will be a more capable off-roader than the D4.

Of course, the after market businesses will take a while to catch up.

Cheers

Gordon



As will other vehicle manufacturers:D;)

[Learner]

Will mean nothing to us, never ever buying a new LR product ever again.

Hi Redback,
I suspect that your attitude is more due to your LR dealer than the vehicle.

Having said that, I bought my 2005 D3 TDV6 at two years old from a deceased estate and have seen no need to update it.

Best Wishes,
Peter

[Stuart02]

Yes which means if you want a new current-shaped D4, then get your order in
SAP.
I have looked over a Discovery Sport, and see that the D5 will look similar, just more gadgets and options via the computer, and a straight 6 engine. The charm and practicallity of the D4 will go, along with most loyal LR customers.

The practical mob are holding out hope for the Defender replacement...

[Mike72]

Personally I am pretty disappointed in the New Discovery,
i am sure it's great off road but they have made it look like a stretched Ford Territory IMHO, The rear tailgate being a one piece tailgate was a bad move and it's design looks watered down. Was going to buy one but settled for a D4 instead,

Still I suppose it will grow on me in time, but love the unapologetic design of the D1/2/3/4

[ATH]

I must agree the D5 does look like any number of other offerings from foreign makers. We went out with LRE (Land Rover Experience) recently and out of 9 vehicles 2 were D4s, 6 were new Discos (only to be called "Discovery" by the stealers men) and 1 Evoque.
They all did OK on the mild course laid out for us but the suprising fact was that only 2 couples there including us, had owned LR products before. That at least shows they've made a product which appeals to many city types and of course most will never go off road.
Good. The less people out there the better. [biggrin]
AlanH.

[scarry]

I had a real good look at the D5 as well.

Not really impressed at all definitely an around town vehicle with off road ability.

LR have moved the disco up into a new market,as the salesman said,to compete with Audi,BMW and Volvo.

That is a different market to what the D4 was aimed at.

Mine is getting on and will be replaced,but LR have nothing that will fill my needs,the D5 definitely doesn't,and I won't be waiting around for the new defender.

What I should have done was bought one of the last D4's,which is what I did with the D2 model run.

So my only option is to keep this one for a while,pick up a late model low k D4 or move on to a Jap vehicle.

[oldsalt]

I had a real good look at the D5 as well.

Not really impressed at all definitely an around town vehicle with off road ability.

LR have moved the disco up into a new market,as the salesman said,to compete with Audi,BMW and Volvo.

That is a different market to what the D4 was aimed at.

Mine is getting on and will be replaced,but LR have nothing that will fill my needs,the D5 definitely doesn't,and I won't be waiting around for the new defender.

What I should have done was bought one of the last D4's,which is what I did with the D2 model run.

So my only option is to keep this one for a while,pick up a late model low k D4 or move on to a Jap vehicle.


Ditto for me.....unfortunately.

[dirvine]

When you say JAp there really is only one left standing. Nissan? No, Mitsubishi? No. So the Toyota goes on and on. Hopefully some one will fill the void!

[DiscoJeffster]

I've been thinking I'll put my D4 into second car space and replace the family roady with a Disco Sport one day. This way I can contain the km on the D4 and save it for occasional use and holidays away. Seems the best compromise for now. Either that or like others have mentioned, replacing my D4 with a last release one in a couple of years.

[Vern]

When you say JAp there really is only one left standing. Nissan? No, Mitsubishi? No. So the Toyota goes on and on. Hopefully some one will fill the void!Why do you think it doesn't compete with the JAP cars? I have heard it is from someone who just spent 5 weeks testing them out bush! He was seriously impressed

[dirvine]

My comment was that there are not many jap genuine 4wds with a low range box anymore, not that a LR could not compete with them

[Vern]

My comment was that there are not many jap genuine 4wds with a low range box anymore, not that a LR could not compete with themSorry, i must have missed the low range bit.
If the gearing is right, you don't need low range, vw have proved this.
Punch the gear ratios into a gear ratio aspect calculator, you will be surprised.

[dirvine]

Sorry, i must have missed the low range bit.
If the gearing is right, you don't need low range, vw have proved this.
Punch the gear ratios into a gear ratio aspect calculator, you will be surprised.

I note that. But as much as people dont like Mr 4 x 4, he found out that towing a CT across the Simpson the VW vehicle without LR had issues and had to be snatch strapped across a few sand dunes and steep climbs. Also in some cases whilst the 1st gear is very low in these cars, its the 2nd and 3rd gears that get them into trouble. admittedly there is some cross over of gears between a high and low range transfer case with a D4 8 speed gear box, its just that you are always in the power range of the motor. Thats where a low range box is far superior. One low gear is not enough in most cases.

[mfpoli]

Sorry, i must have missed the low range bit.
If the gearing is right, you don't need low range, vw have proved this.


It depends on what you want the vehicle to do. If its sand, you can manage without. If its steep, rutted hill climbs and rock crawling, then low range is essential. I have seen the new Range Rover Sport without low range struggle on rutted hill climbs. It ended with an overheated transmission. Refer post 19 at the following link.

TDV6 v SDV6 Off road (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l494-range-rover-sport/244503-tdv6-v-sdv6-off-road-2.html)

Without low range, you need speed to get through the obstacle, and that increases the risk of damage.

This talk of not needing low range is just spin from the dealer. Whilst I admire the advent of technology to make cars more effective/efficient, when it comes to off-roading, there are 3 requirements: articulation, low range and clearance. Traction control has compensated for lack of articulation, but technology has not yet replaced low range and clearance.

Mario

[scarry]

It depends on what you want the vehicle to do. If its sand, you can manage without. If its steep, rutted hill climbs and rock crawling, then low range is essential. I have seen the new Range Rover Sport without low range struggle on rutted hill climbs. It ended with an overheated transmission. Refer post 19 at the following link.

TDV6 v SDV6 Off road (https://www.aulro.com/afvb/l494-range-rover-sport/244503-tdv6-v-sdv6-off-road-2.html)

Without low range, you need speed to get through the obstacle, and that increases the risk of damage.

This talk of not needing low range is just spin from the dealer. Whilst I admire the advent of technology to make cars more effective/efficient, when it comes to off-roading, there are 3 requirements: articulation, low range and clearance. Traction control has compensated for lack of articulation, but technology has not yet replaced low range and clearance.

Mario

Well said,exactly,but in sand Low Range is very helpful on occasions.

Anyone that thinks VW, or whoever, has replaced Low range,as we know it, with an 8 speed auto box is dreaming.

[scarry]

Why do you think it doesn't compete with the JAP cars? I have heard it is from someone who just spent 5 weeks testing them out bush! He was seriously impressed

So what Jap vehicle is in the same class as a D5?

Like asking what Jap vehicle is in same class as a RRS or RR?

None that i can think of.

LC200 and late model Patrol would be same class as D4,but D5 is in another class completely.

D5 is actually in the same class as RRS,Audi Q7,BMW X5,Volvo whatever,which is the market it was built to compete in,as said by LR representatives themselves.

Toyota are just sitting back laughing,as they always do.They do the bare minimum,but top the sales charts.

And that isn't just luck.

[Tins]

Toyota are just sitting back laughing,as they always do.They do the bare minimum,but top the sales charts.

And that isn't just luck.

Not wrong. They can charge $75 K, for a bare bones 78 series, and not even bother to widen the rear axle to match what they did at the front to fit the V8, and you can't find one to buy.

[Tins]

I'm still of the opinion that the Discovery has been moved upmarket, and the D4 void will be filled by the new Defender. There is no way LR are going to make the Defender a jack of all trades like it used to be, so where else will it go but in the direction of the market that former Disco owners inhabit? There is still a big market for tourers, which the D5 won't satisfy, if the comments I've read are to be believed.

[scarry]

Not wrong. They can charge $75 K, for a bare bones 78 series, and not even bother to widen the rear axle to match what they did at the front to fit the V8, and you can't find one to buy.

And then charge $2500 on top for AC....

The resale of that range is also ridiculous.

The guy next door just bought a dual cab,with bar and tray,and a couple of other little accessories,$80K drive away...


"I'm still of the opinion that the Discovery has been moved upmarket, and the D4 void will be filled by the new Defender. There is no way LR are going to make the Defender a jack of all trades like it used to be, so where else will it go but in the direction of the market that former Disco owners inhabit? There is still a big market for tourers, which the D5 won't satisfy, if the comments I've read are to be believed."

Have a good look at one in the flesh, and you will see what we mean.

[Tins]

And then charge $2500 on top for AC....

The resale of that range is also ridiculous.

The guy next door just bought a dual cab,with bar and tray,and a couple of other little accessories,$80K drive away...


"I'm still of the opinion that the Discovery has been moved upmarket, and the D4 void will be filled by the new Defender. There is no way LR are going to make the Defender a jack of all trades like it used to be, so where else will it go but in the direction of the market that former Disco owners inhabit? There is still a big market for tourers, which the D5 won't satisfy, if the comments I've read are to be believed."

Have a good look at one in the flesh, and you will see what we mean.


I had a good look at one at Wombat. It is a lovely car, but it is a Range Rover, in my view. We have the RR, the RR Sport, the Evoque, the Velar, the Disco Sport and now the Disco all being Range Rovers. The Defender is the only likely hope for the "old" Disco lovers.

[DiscoJeffster]

I had a good look at one at Wombat. It is a lovely car, but it is a Range Rover, in my view. We have the RR, the RR Sport, the Evoque, the Velar, the Disco Sport and now the Disco all being Range Rovers. The Defender is the only likely hope for the "old" Disco lovers.

Yeah, how many models do they need? I expect there must be a reasonable level of overlap between models

[Vern]

Apparently d5 does have low range as an option. May be ask Lockee as he is currently test driving the whole fleet

[donh54]

Without low range, you need speed to get through the obstacle.....

This talk of not needing low range is just spin from the dealer. Whilst I admire the advent of technology to make cars more effective/efficient, when it comes to off-roading, there are 3 requirements: articulation, low range and clearance. Traction control has compensated for lack of articulation, but technology has not yet replaced low range and clearance.

Mario

Exactly right! Our old Freelander 1 was a prime example of this. Traction control made up for the lack of articulation (to a point) and clearance was a bit of an issue (if you could stand the thumps and bangs, it was well tucked up under there), but the biggest problem by far was the lack of low range. You had to hit some obstacles so hard it used to make me wince! Sure raised some eyebrows where it did go, though!
Couldn't imagine doing that with $50k (and up!) worth of car, though!!

[Vern]

2017 Land Rover Discovery review | 4X4 Australia (https://www.4x4australia.com.au/reviews/road-tests/1707/2017-land-rover-discovery-review)

Says low range here as well!

[veebs]

The D5 is without doubt more capable off road than the D4. Discovery's biggest weakness off-road hasn't changed - it's still the driver!
What it's missing is the rugged/utilitarian feel of the D4 - bearing in mind for true rugged feel you need a defender, or 70 series, etc.

The big selling cards for me with the D4 were the square look of the car, the upright and hugely visible driving position, split load boot, super comfy ride, and space for 7 people. The D5 has probably improved the ride quality, but the other elements have been compromised, or lost.

The gadgets inside are cool, but I fear will age quickly.

Is it better than the competition? I'm not so sure any more...

[scarry]

The D5 is without doubt more capable off road than the D4. Discovery's biggest weakness off-road hasn't changed - it's still the driver!
What it's missing is the rugged/utilitarian feel of the D4 - bearing in mind for true rugged feel you need a defender, or 70 series, etc.

The big selling cards for me with the D4 were the square look of the car, the upright and hugely visible driving position, split load boot, super comfy ride, and space for 7 people. The D5 has probably improved the ride quality, but the other elements have been compromised, or lost.

The gadgets inside are cool, but I fear will age quickly.

Is it better than the competition? I'm not so sure any more...

What it appears to be is an around town car with off road ability.....[bigsad]

Competition,you mean Audi Q7,BMW X5,RRS,Volvo something,jaguar F pace i think it is called.In some ways the others are way ahead,in other areas behind,depends what you want.If you don't need the off road ability,which i presume most in this market don't,then the others are well ahead in many areas.

[Vern]

From what i have been told its just as capable as the d4, but with more engine choices!

[dirvine]

The boxy interior of a defender and a D4 makes it easy to fit a lot of gear in. Wh
en I did the LR experience, one of the participants was bemoaning the fact that her husband had gone to a RR Sport, and now she had trouble fitting all the baby gear in the back. She complained the back sloped down and was an issue. The Discovery 5 is almost the same as the RR inside. Sure there is a little uplift on the roof line, but I cannot remember seeing that inside the car. Hopefully LR listen to people and keep the boxy shape and the split tailgate in the defender. If not my back up car (78 series LC Wagon) is certainly looking the goods into the future.

[Vern]

Doesn't the rr sport have much less room than the vogue overall?

[Tins]

Apparently d5 does have low range as an option. May be ask Lockee as he is currently test driving the whole fleet

I don't think most of us are disputing that the car can be had with LR and E Diff, and will be hugely capable. It just 'seems' more of a soft roader than the D4, and less suitable as a tourer, and certain features, such as the split tailgate could be a deal breaker. It amazes me, as the split tailgate has been a signature RR feature since the first one, and is one of the main things that makes me lust after a D3/4.

[Vern]

I don't think most of us are disputing that the car can be had with LR and E Diff, and will be hugely capable. It just 'seems' more of a soft roader than the D4, and less suitable as a tourer, and certain features, such as the split tailgate could be a deal breaker. It amazes me, as the split tailgate has been a signature RR feature since the first one, and is one of the main things that makes me lust after a D3/4.Understand the tailgate bit.
I was of the perception from a few posts back that someone thought it didn't come with low range, well thats how i read it anyway.
Also a lot of users won't ever use low range, they will use it as a family car or to tow the van. Our old d1, when we got it at 200kk, it had never been in low range, and never had the cdl locked, it had however been up the centre and round the west twice!
Is it needed, well yes for some, and no for others. Is it an option, yes it is.

[DiscoJeffster]

So it's now a monocoque chassis
"It dispenses with the old Discovery’s hefty combined monocoque and separate chassis set-up and moves to the same aluminium platform as the Range Rover and Range Rover Sport."
Boring.

[Graeme]

It amazes me, as the split tailgate has been a signature RR feature since the first oneIt's a Disco, which started life with a single door and only had the split tail-gate for 1 body shape.

[BMKal]

Well - I've just had a good look at a D5 in the flesh. Nice car ................... but not what I want in a 4WD.

My next vehicle will either be another D4 .................. or more likely, a V6 Amarok. [wink11]

Or just maybe, there might be something interesting in the way of a new Defender by the time I'm looking again - but the way LR has been going lately, I'm not holding my breath.

[Vern]

Well - I've just had a good look at a D5 in the flesh. Nice car ................... but not what I want in a 4WD.

My next vehicle will either be another D4 .................. or more likely, a V6 Amarok. [wink11]But the amarok doesn't have low range![emoji4]

[BMKal]

But the amarok doesn't have low range![emoji4]

Actually it does, if you buy a manual. [wink11]

But you don't really need it. I regularly drive a 4 cyl. auto which doesn't have low range, and it will pretty much keep up with any of its competitors off road. Certainly has no trouble doing anything that I have asked of it.

[Vern]

Actually it does, if you buy a manual. [wink11]

But you don't really need it. I regularly drive a 4 cyl. auto which doesn't have low range, and it will pretty much keep up with any of its competitors off road. Certainly has no trouble doing anything that I have asked of it.Oh i didn't know the v6 came in manual, i hadn't really looked into it.
I have thought about upgrading our amarok to the new v6 one, been such a great car.

[Vern]

Is it out yet or is that next year the manual?

[BMKal]

Is it out yet or is that next year the manual?

You've got me there. I don't know if the manual V6 is out yet or not. I do know that there will be one available though. But I'd probably opt for the 8 speed auto in any case. The auto D4 has spoiled me, and I don't really need low range.

[cripesamighty]

Was having a play on the VW website yesterday looking at what the new Amarok specs were and the only transmission choice in the V6's was auto. No idea if manual option is coming later down the pipeline.

[Vern]

6 speed manual is supposed to come next year