Defender warped rear door due to spare wheel are these pics typical?

[cafe latte]

Hi Guys, I just sent these pics to the dealer and they say it has never happened before which seems odd to me. Are these pics typical and could anyone post pics of similar issues.
Cheers
Chris

[87County]

"Never happened before" - haha ...

Even the more substantial older defender and county door mounts copped this too - and it is well known to be exacerbated by accidentally backing into another car, a tree or telegraph pole :)

While it is a handy place to put the spare - an unstrengthened Deefer rear door on its own is going to be marginal.

Disappointing on a new motor car I know

The only solution that I am aware of is one of the swing-away mounts of various descriptions which have have reinforced mountings onto the body and the better ones of these also reinforce where they are connected onto the rear door.

I have put an external layer of 3mm chequer plate over a substantial part of my rear door to address the problem :) but you wouldn't want to do that to yours I guess

[weeds]

Isn't the a land rover part number for the strengthening kit.....or were they aftermarket.

I would reckon Land Rover would have seen this plenty of times

[BadCo.]

It looks like the spare wheel carrier is just tek screwed there haha.

Any chance of popping the door trim off and taking a photo of the inside of the door?

[debruiser]

It's not tec screws. They are bolts taht go through into the structure of the door. Thing is the structure of the door isn't very heavy.

Solution:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/11/1018.jpg (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/debruiser/media/2013%20D90/DSC_0004_zpsuz5kbtvg.jpg.html)

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/11/1019.jpg (http://s1295.photobucket.com/user/debruiser/media/DSC_0004%20copy_zpsdvrtouzi.jpg.html)

[rangieman]

That is not normal :cool: The earlier doors would crack most of the internal frame of the door and sometimes split the outer panel .
Id say either some one backed into something and aint saying anything or some low life hit the back of your car and shot thru:twisted:

[debruiser]

That is not normal :cool: The earlier doors would crack most of the internal frame of the door and sometimes split the outer panel .
Id say either some one backed into something and aint saying anything or some low life hit the back of your car and shot thru:twisted:

Actually that sounds pretty plausible.

I didn't change to the swing away because the door was broken. I changed for the jerry carrier and to preempt the damage. I have to say though that a rattle disappeared when I changed over.

[JDNSW]

Problems with dead flat surfaces:-

1. The skin provides little rigidity.

2. The slightest deviation from dead flat looks like a major distortion, especially if the surface is shiny.

Not a concern with a body designed as a workhorse, and part of the character. As long as the internal load bearing frame has not cracked (not uncommon), nothing to worry about.

John

[cafe latte]

That is not normal :cool: The earlier doors would crack most of the internal frame of the door and sometimes split the outer panel .
Id say either some one backed into something and aint saying anything or some low life hit the back of your car and shot thru:twisted:

No nobody has bumped it, it is parked on the farm in my car port and only I drive it. No supermarket car parks as the missus does that in her car and the only other trips are to the fire station in town and two a couple of shoots and it was parked in front of my caravan.
The ripple is behind the tyre. When the door is shut the tyre wobbles the panel this is what I think caused the crease at the top.
Chris

[gromit]

When I got my 300Tdi I removed the back door and, from memory, 13 separate cracks were welded up.
I remember standing on the door to twist it, the father-in-law welded it and when I hopped off it was more or less straight. The rear glass had to be re-sealed into place because the mastic was loose from all the movement.

Fitted a swing out wheel carrier and no problems since.


Colin

[debruiser]

No nobody has bumped it, it is parked on the farm in my car port and only I drive it. No supermarket car parks as the missus does that in her car and the only other trips are to the fire station in town and two a couple of shoots and it was parked in front of my caravan.
The ripple is behind the tyre. When the door is shut the tyre wobbles the panel this is what I think caused the crease at the top.
Chris

Are you sure all the bolts are tight? maybe worth pulling the plastic off the inside to check?

[Tombie]

Seen several do that.. There have even been cases where they have come away...

Your dealer is telling fibs!

[Tombie]

Next thing it can/will do is shatter the glass...

[simmo]

Even the more substantial older defender and county door mounts copped this too - and it is well known to be exacerbated by accidentally backing into another car, a tree or telegraph pole


been there done that a big gum tree :(

But its inevitable the door will be damaged if you leave the big spare wheel on there, I think a defender spare wheel weighs about 30 kg. The old doors had a fairly substantial frame on it. But that didn't save the hinges etc which still took the load. I could see distortion on the door and the door frame near the hinges on my car. I removed the spare wheel mounting frame from the door and welded it to my swing out wheel carrier, I mounted the wheel a little lower and to the right for improved rear window viability. I think the spare has touched the ground once or twice but only lightly.

Anyone who uses a defender on a lot of corrugations or rough roads will be able to tell you about the damage. I think most would already have wheel carrier.

[cafe latte]

Thanks for the replies,
Any pics too of other problems would be great, if the dealer makes problems fixing it I will email them this thread link.
Thanks
Chris

[Toxic_Avenger]

Here is a pic of behind the door card for reference.
Post 16 on my build thread here (http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defender-county/197704-meet-my-90-share-adventure.html#post2276436) :cool:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/11/1002.jpg

[DiscoMick]

Yep, ours is also warped and rattled on bumps, which is why we fitted a Mantec rear wheel carrier, which stopped the noise. Should be standard I reckon.

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[cafe latte]

Yep, ours is also warped and rattled on bumps, which is why we fitted a Mantec rear wheel carrier, which stopped the noise. Should be standard I reckon.

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Could you take a pic?
Cheers
Chris

[Gerokent]

Mine was the same before I fitted a swing away carrier. It was exasperated by a minor roll over, and now it wears a perspex rear window because the frame is not quiet straight. Gotta love the agriculturalness of these things :D

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Sad isn't it. In 65 years the only band aid solutions for a known problem has been to add the third hinge and have a pressed inner frame instead of the original fabricated frame.

The external wheel carriers have always been the solution, and should be from the factory. I guess we'll have to wait for the 2017 model for that upgrade! :angel:

[AndyG]

Mine was the same before I fitted a swing away carrier. It was exasperated by a minor roll over, and now it wears a perspex rear window because the frame is not quiet straight. Gotta love the agriculturalness of these things :D

What's a minor roll-over :o only once?

[AndyG]

Sad isn't it. In 65 years the only band aid solutions for a known problem has been to add the third hinge and have a pressed inner frame instead of the original fabricated frame.

The external wheel carriers have always been the solution, and should be from the factory. I guess we'll have to wait for the 2017 model for that upgrade! :angel:


I have it on good authority they have solved the problem, by, putting the tyre back on the bonnet. Where it should be.

Well if Jeep can have a 7 slot grill as adesgn cue, surely that's not asking too much. We can even put a label on it. Pedestrian air bag. Another LR first

[DiscoMick]

Could you take a pic?
Cheers
Chris


Don't have a pic of mine handy, but here are some Google images of them. I think The Expedition Centre and APT both stock them, as well as the Aussie-made Ridjidij one.

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Mantec+wheel+carrier&qpvt=Mantec+wheel+carrier&qpvt=Mantec+wheel+carrier&FORM=IGRE

[BadCo.]

I think he meant a picture of the damage to take to the dealer ;)

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[cafe latte]

I think he meant a picture of the damage to take to the dealer ;)

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Yes I meant a pic of a damaged door.
Cheers
Chris

[DiscoMick]

Yes I meant a pic of a damaged door.
Cheers
Chris
Oh, sorry. No, don't have that pic, but just imagine the left top of the door above the handle angling out further than the bottom, so the gap is wider at the top than the bottom, and you'll get the idea. The weight of the wheel had also made the door chatter against the rubber seal and perforated it below the lock, on the left side.
Point being, get a wheel carrier.