Ok What a Feeling - Doing a merry-go-round in a D4

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Yesterday wasn't a good day. I moved a non-drivable non-steerable Defer 110 from KLR to Glenorie, as luck would have it, it was pouring with rain as I tirfored the 110 onto the trailer. The weather cleared but unloading the 110 it was raining again.

On returning the car trailer to its owner I was driving up the Richmond Rd M7 on ramp, the Falcon Boss ute next to me decided to tramp it, but instead of racing through the toll point, he lost it and spun out, taking the trailer behind my D4 with it. I then did a jack-knifed five forty degree spin, the trailer running up the concrete wall and I ended up facing the wrong direction. Following was a RRS who was very helpful as both a witness and helping with the traffic.

Unfortunately my D4 suffered damage to the rear quarter panel, bumper and wheel arch flare from the trailer. I was able to drive home the Falcon and trailer on the other hand.

The falcon on the other hand.

[rocmic]

Words fail me.
I know that ramp, there is more than enough room if he really wanted to get past, without having to tramp it in a ute in the wet.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The ramp had a lot of oil on it but it was unclear of when the oil got there, the light rain made it worse.

I believe the cause of the incident was ego. :mad: The driver of the ute was in the LH lane and missed the change to green and I had the inside running as I started up the ramp accelerating in preparation of subsequent merging speed with the motorway.

He then found himself next to the trailer and his lane was going to end and I assume wanted get in front. How could his boss be beaten by a 4WD and trailer! :o

[rick130]

Bugger, at least no one was hurt.

I also know that ramp well, used it many times over three or so weeks a couple of months back, hell I used it two Saturdays ago.
As you said ego, lessons can be hard sometimes, shame you were in that place to reinforce it.
I'm guessing he had his TC turned off ?

[Bytemrk]

Not good at all. I hope the damage to the D4 is minimal.

[Parkes]

What an idiot, glad your ok.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Just viewed my dash cam and it was only a one eighty degree spin. Adrenaline has a lot to answer for. :o

[p38arover]

'Just viewed my dash cam and it was only a one eighty degree spin. Adrenaline has a lot to answer for. :o

Good to see you had a camera. No chance of him denying then.

[AnD3rew]

Easy to do with a high powered vehicle in the wet. Plant the back, auto shifts down breaks traction on one side and the back overtakes the front. Yes he didn't need to tramp it but he misread the conditions it happens. Sorry you day was messed up, that's often the biggest pain is the time you have to invest to sort everything out and insurance doesn't compensate you for that. Glad everyone was ok.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Insurance Grrrrrr

My car is insured with NRMA his with Budget Direct, I have NRMA traveler care to cover the trailer.

Neither his nor my Insurance would tow the trailer because it wasn't independently insured and the Traveler car wouldn't recover the trailer because it was damaged in accident. The towees would only accept cash.

IMHO the insurance companies and motoring association would have been happy to leave me there in the rain with a trailer damaged by someone else. :mad:

[Disco Muppet]

Things like that happen so fast.
I was doing some work in Nyngan a few days ago, loading appx 1T core trays into a dual axle trailer and 1T core trays into the back of a V8 land cruiser Ute.
Traveling along a fence line on the work site after a light shower, as the fence line ended there was a very mild curve to avoid a drilling site. Running down through the gears, so as to avoid using the brakes in the wet, and the second I turned the wheel the entire rig spun out a full 4 turns!
Thankfully the only damage was the wheel of the jockey wheel.
Glad to see your damage wasn't too extensive and that you're okay!

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[scarry]

Glad no one was hurt,as others have said,the issue getting everything sorted is such a PITA.:mad:

A bit off topic,but this may be of interest.We recently had one of our vans hit while it was parked,other vehicle at fault.No hire vehicle on our policy. The smash repair shop,where the van went for repair,put us onto a company that will provide a hire vehicle and they take the risk of getting paid by who was at fault.
The company was very helpful,and the hire vehicle cost us nothing.

[Learner]

Hi Lotz-A-Landies,
Like you, I have unsatisfactory service from NRMA. I had a cracked windscreen in my driveway, probably due to a neighbour's lawn mower (as I reverse into my drive). NRMA gave me such a run-around (as I insisted on either a LR or OEM unit), that I eventually paid for it myself.

They've lost my trust since they broke away from the real NRMA. I have since changed my compulsory insurance to another maker.

Now my comprehensive insurance is due and I am unsure of my options, as I have a lifetime 25% no claim bonus (yes, I am that old).

Best Wishes,
Peter


Insurance Grrrrrr

My car is insured with NRMA his with Budget Direct, I have NRMA traveler care to cover the trailer.

Neither his nor my Insurance would tow the trailer because it wasn't independently insured and the Traveler car wouldn't recover the trailer because it was damaged in accident. The towees would only accept cash.

IMHO the insurance companies and motoring association would have been happy to leave me there in the rain with a trailer damaged by someone else. :mad:

[letherm]

Now my comprehensive insurance is due and I am unsure of my options, as I have a lifetime 25% no claim bonus (yes, I am that old).


Hi Learner.

I think you will find that other insurers will transfer the no claim bonus if you change to them. I just renewed mine with NRMA - wish I had seen this first. I might have looked a bit harder at a new company.

Martin

[Nomad9]

Hi There,
Glad no one was hurt, good effort. Nice music............

Cheers Marty

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Hi There,
Glad no one was hurt, good effort. Nice music............

Cheers MartyI always listen to ABC Classic. At leas when there's a channel to receive.

[Redback]

Insurance Grrrrrr

My car is insured with NRMA his with Budget Direct, I have NRMA traveler care to cover the trailer.

Neither his nor my Insurance would tow the trailer because it wasn't independently insured and the Traveler car wouldn't recover the trailer because it was damaged in accident. The towees would only accept cash.

IMHO the insurance companies and motoring association would have been happy to leave me there in the rain with a trailer damaged by someone else. :mad:

Pretty sure that's illegal, but if that was the case, I would have told them to go jump and towed the trailer home, after removing the damaged wheel, towie would have got nothing:)

[Oztourer]

Just viewed my dash cam and it was only a one eighty degree spin. Adrenaline has a lot to answer for. :o

Glad you're ok and lucky no one else was about. What dash cam do you use? I've been thinking about one for a while for just such an incident. I back my own driving but I'm often concerned about getting into a my word against theirs standoff if I ever got hit!

[The ho har's]

Glad you OK Diana.

Harry can fix the D4 when you pick up Bemboka ;)

Mrs hh:angel:

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Pretty sure that's illegal, but if that was the case, I would have told them to go jump and towed the trailer home, after removing the damaged wheel, towie would have got nothing:)I seriously considered that, but rain was intermittent and I only had the standard Disco tools in the car.

With the angles of the axles, it would have torn the tread off one side of the LHS tyres. The Police also advised against towing the trailer.

The A frame is bent, the tow coupling is bent and won't operate the brakes, both axles are bent.

Update:
Went to my long term Range Rover specialist smash repairer A&J Corben, they refuse all work from NRMA. (Blair advised TR Flanagan but they are not an NRMA partner repairer) Has anyone had any experience with Monza Smash in Carrington Rd Marrickville?

[Silvo]

nrma would want to be cheap considering the hassle you appear to be having..

dan

[Lotz-A-Landies]

The man I assume was the prop of one of the smash repairers I visited today, gave me a brief list of insurance companies to consider when purchasing insurance. I guess this list is from a repairer's perspective not a customer price or service perspective.

Interestingly he suggested that NRMA were in the middle of the possible list and some of the big names were in the don't consider list. At least one of the names surprised me.

The three companies at the top of the do consider list were: Zurich
CGU
(dare I say it) Toyota Insurance

[Lotz-A-Landies]

nrma would want to be cheap considering the hassle you appear to be having..

danI started the claim over the phone yesterday expressing my dissatisfaction about being left stranded with a disabled trailer.

The operator was pleasant, in Australia and cooperative. She did ask that I consider one of their partner repairers. I took the vehicle for assessment to Monza Smash in Villa Marika this morning. The premises was clean, very professional and all the staff were wearing company uniforms, polo shirts and trousers apart from one who I assume was a spray painter wearing a T shirt. The few vehicles present appeared that the work was being undertaken professionally.

NRMA say there is a lifetime warranty on the repairs and other benefits if I use their partner repairer. I'm hoping there will be less hassles using their repairer.

I think I'll wait for the finished job before I make any negative assessments of NRMA (apart from the trailer issue).

[Celtoid]

Just viewed my dash cam and it was only a one eighty degree spin. Adrenaline has a lot to answer for. :o

Mate, it looks like you were very lucky you didn't get punted into that concrete wall.

Glad you are safe.

Cheers.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I suspect that the trailer stability control kicked in. When the vehicle came to a standstill, there were numerous errors indicating, including stability control. All errors cleared after a re-start. :)

[PeterOZ]

that was a hell of a shunt to spin a nearly 3 ton car and trailer around like that. He must have been moving when he lost it.


Vehicles can be fixed so fortuntely no injuries. Hope the repairs go well.

[Celtoid]

I suspect that the trailer stability control kicked in. When the vehicle came to a standstill, there were numerous errors indicating, including stability control. All errors cleared after a re-start. :)


I was thinking of asking you if you were aware of stability control kicking in.


I partially spun my old D4 when I aquaplaned at highway speed and all the stuff went bananas ... which saved me from a very nasty accident. :)

[Lotz-A-Landies]

I was thinking of asking you if you were aware of stability control kicking in.


I partially spun my old D4 when I aquaplaned at highway speed and all the stuff went bananas ... which saved me from a very nasty accident. :)Despite being out of directional control (under the control of dissipating physical forces) I actually didn't feel like it was going to roll or anything like that.

So while entrapment wires and concrete barriers were variously looming at me, I felt somewhat safe.

Was that because of the stability control? Maybe?

[MR LR]

Not good Diana, I'd be taking Boooojay Direct to court to recover trailer costs including towing. The towed vehicle should always be covered...

We all use Shannon's these days, the tow vehicles, car trailers and Veterans are covered by them, including my RRC and Discovery. But anything we tow is automatically covered anyway... And as such I believe a third party insurer needs to cover you to the same degree if their client caused damage to your property.

Shame Corbans won't touch it, Caldwells are gone now so we no longer have a good contact in the industry (I even have all their old LR stock). But why are you claiming through NRMA? Shouldn't it just be a third party claim with budget?

Hope they can fix it all up properly... push for trailer replacement.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Blair at Corban's advised to deal through NRMA when he heard the name of the other insurer. My concerns are for Geoff (the Booger) who's trailer it is.

There's so many bent bits on the trailer, I'd be surprised if they don't write it off.

It may be a good thing, if the deck is straight and Geoff buys it back, we may upgrade it to a 3.5T ATM so we can tow D3 and D4 legally (I haven't had one on it, but I know it did happen a year or so ago.)

Although thinking about it. BD has to pay for the repairs, they have no claim on the trailer.

[MR LR]

Oh I see... shame the cheap offerings sink low enough that you need an insurance company to fight for your rights! Bastards!

When my XR6 got shunted I had to claim third party through NRMA, and could get it assessed and theoretically repaired by one of NRMA's repairers a month sooner than the assessor could get to Corbans... I should have waited... the repair blew out three weeks and I took it back three times until I was (still not happy). It should have been written off, but NRMA repaired it cheap (I still think it was bent post repair).

I'd be looking for an LR approved repairer before using one of NRMA's... they do it on the cheap IMO. You need someone that looks after the customer rather than the insurer.