just got my first rangie

[staplehead01]

Hi just joined this forum. ..this is my 1993 range rover vogue se, it has been converted to a 300tdi, i am looking at lift kits not too sure what to get yet

[Corgie Carrier]

Don't be too quick on the upgrades and forget everything you learnt about mods from jap trucks. Drive it for a while and you will be real surprised at what it will do as it is.

It looks to already have after market springs and shocks, maybe get some mud tyres and try that first.

Welcome to the forum, you will learn heaps as I have.

[staplehead01]

Yer well i put 32's under it the other day just to see what it was like and they looked a bit tight, so that why I've been looking into lifting it, i saw some 3 inch coil spacers on ebay tonight but unsure wether they are a good option

Yer well hopefully i do, this is my first 4wd but have always been landrover fan

[Homestar]

Nice looking Rangie. :)

As CC said, it would pay to be more conservative to start with at least - 32" tyres will rub in a couple of spots at full articulation, so you may need to do something if that's the way you want to go.

Happy Range Rovering! :)

[alien]

Well done on finding the best of both worlds.
Old fashioned comfort and diesel economy.
I enjoy driving my RRC as no doubt you are, fuel economy is the issue with the v8.

Ree your suspension lift, have read of this link...
Tyre Sizes and Mods Required (http://www.lrautomotive.com.au/contents/en-us/d713.html)
(Section B )
As has been said, use it and see if it lets you down.
I can go places on highway tyres and standard suspension that other rigs on muddies can't get to.

[staplehead01]

Thanks for the link. .now I'm thinking 3 inch is a bit of a over kill but the coil spacers kit is only 190 bucks and it extends the shocks as well ...but if i only need 1 inch lift to run 32's maybe i will better off doing that

Thanks for all the advice

[DAMINK]

I can go places on highway tyres and standard suspension that other rigs on muddies can't get to.

Really? Like where if i may ask as this confuses me.

[Mercguy]

fuel economy is the issue with the v8.

Tell me about it!



I can go places on highway tyres and standard suspension that other rigs on muddies can't get to.

I too have discovered that my standard RRC on cooper ATR's is still more effective as an off-road vehicle, than the modified Navara D40's and D22's my friends run.

Recently with the viscious local storms, we were out clearing the local roads, snatching fallen trees and moving them safely off the road. The RRC made mincemeat of the task, whereas the D22, (which was the most modified - turbo, tune, lift, lockers..) was not able to pull the heavier trees or do it as quickly.

quite surprising really. I thought my asthmatic rover v8 would be shamed by the 'tuff-trucks' but I ended up smiling quite a lot. My mates eventually got sick of doing it in their trucks and became passengers in the RRC, while we completed the task. There is nothing funnier than seeing a Nissan guy sitting in the back and his jaw literally drop when you put it in low and simply drive away without feeling it. They had slightly bruised ego's when I reminded them it was a completely original standard 25 year old vehicle.

The D40 owner reminded me that his truck was more powerful and had more torque - and I quipped, if it was so f-ing good, why can't it perform a simple task like snatching a fallen tree without repeatedly stalling halfway. He shut up after that.

These old vehicles may have some reliability issues, but they sure do surprise you with their capabilities. Just when you think you're too far gone, it literally pulls one out of the proverbial and keeps on going.

There is an old disused quarry about an hour away, which gets a workout every now and then. I'm yet to go there on my M/T's because the M/T's are a hassle to fit for a short trip, the AT's are more than enough, even in the wet when it's really scrabbly and ugly.

I don't have a winch either, and haven't needed one, but my mates have, and have used them on the same tracks when we've gone through together.

I think there is a very valid argument for the traction claims, I'm sure that with M/T's on the RRC would be an even better weapon than it already is.

[DAMINK]

There is nothing funnier than seeing a Nissan guy sitting in the back and his jaw literally drop when you put it in low and simply drive away without feeling it.

What sort of Nissan?
I had to get pulled out by a GU nissan only a few days ago actually.
By all accounts i thought they were the leading 4x4. Certainly based on the strength of the drive train.

[alien]

Really? Like where if i may ask as this confuses me.
Each occasion has been in Wombat SF with folks from another forum.
The Rangie with 24 in the tyres and doing a softly softly approach seams to work well.
As the suspension is fairly soft they flex well allowing for better grip.
The others on muddies had tighter suspension, mostly IFS and found they had tyres lifting.
They needed a second bite at some tracks with a bit more pace to compensate.
A lot is to do with the lines you use, tyre pressure, and not having spinning wheels.




Ree the Nissan being the leading rig.
In it's day, that was the thought for the GQ as it was a coil sprung live axle vehicle.
Funny thing is the RRC had the same suspension 17 years earlier if I'm correct.
The RRC didn't need to be fitted with a disconnect for the rear sway bar to flex either:wasntme:

[DAMINK]

Each occasion has been in Wombat SF with folks from another forum.
The Rangie with 24 in the tyres and doing a softly softly approach seams to work well.
As the suspension is fairly soft they flex well allowing for better grip.
The others on muddies had tighter suspension, mostly IFS and found they had tyres lifting.
They needed a second bite at some tracks with a bit more pace to compensate.
A lot is to do with the lines you use, tyre pressure, and not having spinning wheels.

Sounds to me its more about driver ability and not vehicles.
Correct tyre pressure and approach.
Are the rangies also open wheel diffs?





Ree the Nissan being the leading rig.
In it's day, that was the thought for the GQ as it was a coil sprung live axle vehicle.
Funny thing is the RRC had the same suspension 17 years earlier if I'm correct.
The RRC didn't need to be fitted with a disconnect for the rear sway bar to flex either:wasntme:

What about there quality of drivetrain?
I was under the impression they were pretty much the leader in that department?

[Rick1970]

As far as brute strength in standard form, yes the Nissans are pretty hard to beat, and probably have one of the better factory LSD's. Its all heavy and big tho, which isn't always ideal, expecially if your only running moderately sized tyres.

[Homestar]

Really? Like where if i may ask as this confuses me.

I've seen it first hand on more than one occasion. Kyles old RRC with highway tyres - and a saggy arse (the Rangie, not Kyle :) ) he has managed to get it places I was very surprised at - including some terrain I've seen lifted vehicles with mud terrain tyres struggle on.

The RRC suspension in standard form just keeps the wheels on the ground sooo much better than most setups and that is worth its weight in gold.

Having said that, He is a good wheel turner as well, which helps a lot.

I have 31" muddies on my big stock RRC and that's gone places easily I didn't think it would. :)

[DAMINK]

I've seen it first hand on more than one occasion. Kyles old RRC with highway tyres - and a saggy arse (the Rangie, not Kyle) he has managed to get it places I was very surprised at - including some terrain I've seen lifted vehicles with mud terrain tyres struggle on.

The RRC suspension in standard form just keeps the wheels on the ground sooo much better than most setups and that is worth its weight in gold.

I have 31" muddies on my big stock RRC and that's gone places easily I didn't think it would. :)

Open diff or lsd in these? Just curious.
So the RRC suspension is that much better than.... toyota, nissan or jeep?
I ask because i dont know.

[Homestar]

What sort of Nissan?
I had to get pulled out by a GU nissan only a few days ago actually.
By all accounts i thought they were the leading 4x4. Certainly based on the strength of the drive train.

Every Nissan owner will tell you that - the proofs in the pudding. Most don't want to know there are other very capable vehicles out there. And, as mentioned, the RRC was doing all this back in the early 70's when at the time, nothing else came close.

I love it when friends say 'I just popped it into 4WD and drove away' to which I reply 'That's right, you have to worry about those sort of things'. The other one is 'Mate, my new <Insert brand here> is full time 4x4! To which I reply 'It only took them 40 years to catch up, good for them' :D

[Homestar]

Open diff or lsd in these? Just curious.
So the RRC suspension is that much better than.... toyota, nissan or jeep?
I ask because i dont know.

Open diffs, just a centre diff lock as required. With an LSD or locker in the rear, or double diff locked front and rear, they're even better. :). Second question - Yes, by miles. The suspension travel of a stock RRC is the best there's been on the maket - again, since the 70's. People may hang **** on out choice of vehicles, but technically, they cannot argue the point, Range Rovers have been doing it better since the very beginning.

[DAMINK]

Every Nissan owner will tell you that - the proofs in the pudding. Most don't want to know there are other very capable vehicles out there. And, as mentioned, the RRC was doing all this back in the early 70's when at the time, nothing else came close.
:D

I have never owned a Nissan. But i have been in them. They perform well. I am shocked people here say otherwise. Me out in the bush with my mates. There cars out perform mine easily. Thats just the facts.


Open diffs

Enough said. They cant compete any better than a disco can.
Single wheel versus a lsd. COME ON!

[Homestar]

Are you talking about standard vehicle all around or modified? If you had a standard 80's or 90's RRC or Disco it would run rings around an equivalent Nissan or Toyota offering - I guarantee it.

If they are running 'fully sick 35's with double diff locks' against a standard Landy then things might be different.

I used to live in Churchill - I know the types that hang out there. ;). (No offence intended, I was one of 'em :D )

[DAMINK]

I used to live in Churchill - I know the types that hang out there. ;). (No offence intended, I was one of 'em :D )

None taken mate lol.

I typically run around with 2 mates.
1 has a QU with 2 inch lift and about 32 inch muddies.
1 has a land cruiser with 2 inch lift and stockies.

Me and the cruiser are comparable in some ways.
Me and the nissan are not. He runs rings around me.
I actually have more clearance than the datsun too!

Its the LSD on both that catches me out guys. That simple.
They have a higher % of wheels turning.
Its why im looking at either welding my diff or getting a locker.
So i can be the guy NOT getting bogged or stuck lmfao.
I DO NOT have a preference for any car. I just want one that works well you see.
Dunno how i hijacked this thread but i did lol.

[DeanoH]

...................The RRC suspension in standard form just keeps the wheels on the ground sooo much better than most setups and that is worth its weight in gold..................




And that Staplehead01 is why your 20+ year old RRC in standard form will **** on all other comers (in standard form).

Land Rover with the RRC re-invented off road suspension. The long travel coils, live axles and A frame rear end work to keep all wheels on the ground. Coupled with a soft right foot will get you places that the modern IFS, torsion bar etc overweights can only dream of.

Keep your money for maintenance, you'll need it, but I reckon you'll be surprised how far your stock standard RRC can go. You don't need the **** factor of 3" lifts, 35" wheels, sway bar disconnects etc, you've already got the performance the others aspire to. Get out there and use it. :D

Deano :)

[rangieman]

None taken mate lol.

I typically run around with 2 mates.
1 has a QU with 2 inch lift and about 32 inch muddies.
1 has a land cruiser with 2 inch lift and stockies.

Me and the cruiser are comparable in some ways.
Me and the nissan are not. He runs rings around me.
I actually have more clearance than the datsun too!

Its the LSD on both that catches me out guys. That simple.
They have a higher % of wheels turning.
Its why im looking at either welding my diff or getting a locker.
So i can be the guy NOT getting bogged or stuck lmfao.
I DO NOT have a preference for any car. I just want one that works well you see.
Dunno how i hijacked this thread but i did lol.

So ya 2wd D1 will be a 3wd D1 But still not a 4wd D1:tease:

[DAMINK]

And that Staplehead01 is why your 20+ year old RRC in standard form will **** on all other comers (in standard form).

Land Rover with the RRC re-invented off road suspension. The long travel coils, live axles and A frame rear end work to keep all wheels on the ground. Coupled with a soft right foot will get you places that the modern IFS, torsion bar etc overweights can only dream of.

Keep your money for maintenance, you'll need it, but I reckon you'll be surprised how far your stock standard RRC can go. You don't need the **** factor and of 3" lifts, 35" wheels, sway bar disconnects etc, you've already got the performance the others aspire to. :D

Deano :)

Come drive around here and see how far your stock suspension and stock wheel setup will get ya. Not to mention single wheel diffs.
I guarantee first rutted area we go to you will get crossed up like a turtle.
Thats before we go to the good places.
Invite is there to anyone who owns a stock RR and thinks there that good.
I run 33s with 2 inch lift and get my diffs stuck. What hope do you have with saggy stock springs lol.

[DAMINK]

So ya 2wd D1 will be a 3wd D1 But still not a 4wd D1:tease:


That it will mate. But 3 wheels is much better than 2.
Annoys the hell out of me just quietly RRRRRRRROOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRR
In an ideal world i would get a locker in the rear and a true track in the front.
But if i spend that much my wife will cut my private pieces off so thats out of the question for now.

[ozscott]

Damink i am not blind to some good 4wd in other brands. I think part of the thing that makes LR be so competent is the light weight for such a solid truck. Smaller diffs are solid enough but with method in madness they dont hang down anywhere near as much as Nissan diffs do on Patrols. Stock articulation in solid axle LR is a thing of beauty too. Cheers

[Rick1970]

Enough said. They cant compete any better than a disco can.
Single wheel versus a lsd. COME ON!


Not always. Followed a late model Hilux, its LSD was useless if it could not keep both rear wheels on the ground, and it got wheels off the ground real easy due to limited suspension travel. My std opened diffed D1 barely spun a wheel where the Hilux really struggled, mainly due to keeping all wheels on the ground.

[350RRC]

Tell me about it!




I too have discovered that my standard RRC on cooper ATR's is still more effective as an off-road vehicle, than the modified Navara D40's and D22's my friends run.

Recently with the viscious local storms, we were out clearing the local roads, snatching fallen trees and moving them safely off the road. The RRC made mincemeat of the task, whereas the D22, (which was the most modified - turbo, tune, lift, lockers..) was not able to pull the heavier trees or do it as quickly.

quite surprising really. I thought my asthmatic rover v8 would be shamed by the 'tuff-trucks' but I ended up smiling quite a lot. My mates eventually got sick of doing it in their trucks and became passengers in the RRC, while we completed the task. There is nothing funnier than seeing a Nissan guy sitting in the back and his jaw literally drop when you put it in low and simply drive away without feeling it. They had slightly bruised ego's when I reminded them it was a completely original standard 25 year old vehicle.

The D40 owner reminded me that his truck was more powerful and had more torque - and I quipped, if it was so f-ing good, why can't it perform a simple task like snatching a fallen tree without repeatedly stalling halfway. He shut up after that.

These old vehicles may have some reliability issues, but they sure do surprise you with their capabilities. Just when you think you're too far gone, it literally pulls one out of the proverbial and keeps on going.

There is an old disused quarry about an hour away, which gets a workout every now and then. I'm yet to go there on my M/T's because the M/T's are a hassle to fit for a short trip, the AT's are more than enough, even in the wet when it's really scrabbly and ugly.

I don't have a winch either, and haven't needed one, but my mates have, and have used them on the same tracks when we've gone through together.

I think there is a very valid argument for the traction claims, I'm sure that with M/T's on the RRC would be an even better weapon than it already is.

Its even better with a 350.

DL

[staplehead01]

I am currently running a discovery transfer box and discovery auto, if i run 32's would i need to put a defender transfer to drop the gearing down a bit?

[staplehead01]

I'm currently running disco auto and transfer do i need to drop a defender transfer in to drop the gearing a bit if i run 32's?

[Homestar]

Not nessesarliy, but you will feel the difference in how it drives on the highway. The Defender TC will help a bit though.

[rar110]

If you wand better off-road ability, 1st thing I would do is fit a LSD to rear with strengthened axles.

That Rangie was a bargain. Congratulations.

[UncleHo]

Your RRC looks like it already has King springs and matching shockers, if you wish to upgrade I would suggest a "Maxidrive"diff and axles from MRautomotive in Redcliffe Qld,that should pretty well make your vehicle unstoppable,BUT get fully aquainted with your vehicle as is and it might pleasantly surprise you.


I have a 85 RRC and a 98 Disco 300TDI auto


cheers
Uncle Ho

[superquag]

Sound advice.

-Get bogged/stuck/embarrassed a few times before trying to spend a fortune on 'extras'. You'll be impressed with how far it will take you, and over what terrain. - On standard tyres...

- And go with a more experienced person and their vehicle. :angel:

[dungarover]

It all comes down to driver ability regardless of what you own not the vehicle although being biased a old RRC with good suspension set-up will match or do better than most of the Jap crowd with similar mods. The bonus that you didn't have to spend a small fortune on it to improve it's off-road ability.

As good as other 4WD's are would still have an old Rangie over a modern day 4WD despite it's reliability issues, I don't like Japanese cars or 4WD's. Well made and reliable but dull, boring and about as much personality as a brick wall.

Trav

[DAMINK]

It all comes down to driver ability regardless of what you own not the vehicle

Quite simply don't agree with this.
I agree one driver could avoid a situation when others miss it but to do a comparison one really would need to remove driver ability from the equation.

To compare vehicles i would put them both in the exact same situations and base my result off that.
Anything else is just bias.

[dungarover]

As I said one driver will look at a situation totally different to another and figure out a way though without fuss. It depends on your type of driving, bashing though mud holes like a flog isn't what I call 4WDing any idiot can do that. I prefer technical type stuff, having to think about how to drive it :angel:

Anyway I stand by my argument. At the end of the day some people couldn't drive a greasy stick up a pigs arse as 4WDers, we've all come a cropper on the tracks at times (me included, lot of times :mad::mad:) just some people have NFI of what to do.

Trav

[rangieman]

As I said one driver will look at a situation totally different to another and figure out a way though without fuss. It depends on your type of driving, bashing though mud holes like a flog isn't what I call 4WDing any idiot can do that. I prefer technical type stuff, having to think about how to drive it :angel:

Anyway I stand by my argument. At the end of the day some people couldn't drive a greasy stick up a pigs arse as 4WDers, we've all come a cropper on the tracks at times (me included, lot of times :mad::mad:) just some people have NFI of what to do.

Trav

Trav some people just dont get it :angel:, Honestly its like flogging a dead horse with the few that play in bottomless pits;)
Let those argue as they know alot about a little and a little about a lot (End of quote) :p

[dungarover]

Trav some people just dont get it :angel:, Honestly its like flogging a dead horse with the few that play in bottomless pits;)
Let those argue as they know alot about a little and a little about a lot (End of quote) :p

So true you are :)

Trav

[DAMINK]

Trav some people just dont get it :angel:, Honestly its like flogging a dead horse with the few that play in bottomless pits;)
Let those argue as they know alot about a little and a little about a lot (End of quote) :p

What an arrogant thing to say.
If im not mistaken the discussion was about one vehicles ability compared to anothers and not driver ability.
One more time, Vehicles ability NOT driver ability.
That simple. Typically one would use the same driver to test multiple vehicles in order to prevent the driver component to the comparison.

[superquag]

I used to be biased towards the concept that 'driver' ability being far more important than 'vehicle' capability, until I took the recently purchased '95 Classic down part of our 'Powerlines Track'.
Only went down a bit, the idea was to sit and watch the locals traverse it, sort of Watch & Learn exercise as it was 40+ years since being seriously off-road .

I'd gently gone down a steep rocky section, nice and slow as befitted my inexperience... no dramas, or risk of being stuck/damaged. Going alone made me extra cautious.

Did'nt take long for the Shiny New Jappy brigade to show up, Roll-luxes, Forzdas and assorted 4WDs/AWDs

Was quite educational, noisy revving, swearing bouncing and near-misses and bottoming as they risked ego and wallet to make hard work of the same section the Lady Sarah had floated down;

- In 2WD....

(BW viscous coupling gone solid, so the front prop-shaft removed and on the back floor, just in case...:o)

Sure, I might have been the smarter driver on the day, but it still speaks volumes on the innate agility of a stock Classic with air suspension.

Yes, I did drop my tyres from their usual 32 to around 22 psi, but that can't account for such a difference. Besides, they were cheap Chinese 'H/T' tyres.

So, IMHO I submit that the RR was/is more capable off the show-room floor than it's contemporaries, - and some of their descendants...:angel:

James in Gosnells,

the Lady Sarah, '95 Softdash with working EAS.
(Don't mention the War, sunroof leaks, - or transfer case...:eek:)

[jezza89]

I've been taking my 85 rangie out to the tracks around perth for 2-3 years.
2" lift with 31" tyres, stock open diffs and centre diff lock.

Have never been pulled out - usually when I get stuck, it's a tyre pressure issue, or I've stalled it and it won't start again lol! But it always drives out once I have fixed it.

Have been out with 80s series landcruisers, late model navaras, late model hilux and other land rovers.

The landcruiser was on 33s, and we called it the plough, as it always caught on everything.

The navara with 2" lift and slightly bigger tyres was reasonable, but still dragged its arse through many obstacles - however it's traction control proved to be quite the asset.

The hilux on standard suspension and tyres was the same as the navara, just didnt have the clearance to tackle the bigger stuff.

I've seen a couple of highly modified GUs that have done things I would not attempt in the rangie. But at the end of the day, my rangie cost me what, 2-3 grand all in? If it stands up against late model navaras and hiluxes worth 20-30k, I think it proves it's worth.

A GU with goodies would be worth at least 40k (?)

If I put another 4-5k into the rangie, to give it locked diffs and maybe bigger tyres, I would be confident that it would match the modded GU. For 20% of the cost....

[roverv8]

None taken mate lol.

I typically run around with 2 mates.
1 has a QU with 2 inch lift and about 32 inch muddies.
1 has a land cruiser with 2 inch lift and stockies.

Me and the cruiser are comparable in some ways.
Me and the nissan are not. He runs rings around me.
I actually have more clearance than the datsun too!



Do you drive a D1 or a RRC,
having owned several of both & now a D2, the pre 89-90 RRC with a 2inch lift flexed better than either of the Disco's, which meant the wheels were on the ground more
the newer they got, the more crap was added to the suspension setup to eliminate body roll, which effects the flex

Also is your CDL working properly??

[DAMINK]

Do you drive a D1 or a RRC,
having owned several of both & now a D2, the pre 89-90 RRC with a 2inch lift flexed better than either of the Disco's, which meant the wheels were on the ground more
the newer they got, the more crap was added to the suspension setup to eliminate body roll, which effects the flex

Also is your CDL working properly??

D1
CDL works as expected thanks for the reply.
"I can go places on highway tyres and standard suspension that other rigs on muddies can't get to." was the original comment that brought this alternative discussion up.

Thats why i disagreed. Sure put 2 inches of lift and its a different vehicle.
Put better rubber down and its a better vehicle again.
But stock suspension and highway tyres are not what i would want offroad.
Sure one could just avoid every bump on the road and not need anything as suggested earlier with the "IM A BETTER DRIVER" sort of replies.

[alien]

It all comes down to what you are trying to compare and where you're heading.
I started playing in a Maverick(Patrol) and then a Disco2 after training in Navara's.
I bought the RRC as a daily driver/back up play toy for when the disco was broken.
I sold the Disco2 when it broke a timing chain for the 3rd time.
I'm now own a Defender that is used for touring rather than rock hopping.
The RRC is my daily driver and now has the old D2 standard rear springs(see below).

Tha Mavrick was more than up to the task.
The stock suspension and A/T's worked well but removing the rear sway bar helped a lot with the flex to maintain tyre to track contact.
From the factory it had a LSD as did the Land Cruisers of the same vintage.
My opinion is my RRC which happens to be the same vintage would be slightly more capable with the factory open diffs and vicious centre diff.
As has been said the "A"'frame rear suspension with level rider for weight allows for softer springs to be used giving greater flex.
I used my RRC on road tyres when the Disco was off the road and I had trips I had promised to lead.

The Disco2 did a lot of off road playing and touring.
The factory springs had saged to the point they bottomed out on every track.
I changed to OME 2" heavy duty springs and larger tyres to increase Diff/ground clearance.
This was really good for caring weight when on trips away but lost out in the flex department.
I ended up fitting a Trutrac to the rear and this helped.
The off road rock hopping abbility was compromised by changing the springs.
It still remained vary capable and would go to where torsion bar IFS rigs could not.

The Defender I have done more touring in than rock hopping in.
It has more ground clearance ex factory than most of it contempries.
It still has open diffs where compeditors need Diff locks from factory to make thier rigs off road ready.
It would be slightly more capable then the RRC but is 20 years younger, still has the "A" frame but no level rider.

As I see it, most people fit 2"'lift because the think this is needed.
Most of the time they comprise their off road abbility for carrying wieght or the "look at me factor".
The best modification for tracks is bigger tyres, for ground clearance and the 3 angles.
I still believe springs and bodies should only be lifted to allow for fitting bigger rubber only.
Look under a range of 4x4's for the low points.
Land Rover diffs line up so if they clear at the front the rear will too.
The Mavrick/patrol/80 Cruiser diff centres are off set and this is one more thing to place right around rocks.
From factory I hear of next to no issues of broken drive train related parts of any bread of 4X4.
Add spring lifts to IFS rigs and watch the CV angles and associated repairs.
Add larger tyres and you increase loads, CV's on Japenese inspired, axles on Landies.
Most 80 serries Toyota's get thier LSD's tightned up as they wear with age.

Apples to apples for stock 1990 produced 4X4 I'd prefer a RRC, then a coiled patrol, 3rd a cruiser, then jackaroos' etc. although many where a little under powered, then the leaf sprung stuff.

[rovernutter]

As I see it, most people fit 2"'lift because the think this is needed.
Most of the time they comprise their off road abbility for carrying wieght or the "look at me factor".
In a lot of cases they are needed.
Firstly, the people that put in 2 inch lifts often have a lot of weighty accessories fitted. Winches, bullbars, second batteries, etc. They say they fitted a 2 inch lift, yet it only lifted it from where is was sitting and not what standard ride height would be.

Secondly, most Land Rover made vehicles do not sit around the centre of their axle travel. That is, the axle can travel a lot further down than up. This means that when off road the axle hits the bumps stops too often and is not making the most of the available wheel travel. So look at your bump stops. If they are very shiny from the axle hitting them too often, you probably have too soft a springs in and the wrong ride height. It it looks like your bump stops never get touched by the axles, you probably have too heavier springs and too high a ride height. The ideal is somewhere between these two situations.

[RHammerR]

Hi just joined this forum. ..this is my 1993 range rover vogue se, it has been converted to a 300tdi, i am looking at lift kits not too sure what to get yet

I too just got my first RR...3 months ago now..91 , diff locks , long range tanks ,rebuilt 3.9,total front end rebuild , new tyres, tint ,stereo , boss kit, dual batteries and new exhaust from custom exhausts Osborne park Perth..Rosita is pure beast and after all i spent, all i do is drive her , and after owning most brands of 4WD's on the market at some stage , nothing comes close to my 91 Classic...I truly look forward to every day behind that wheel.She may be old but turns the heads and eats sand like nothing i have ever seen...So enjoy my friend , there is no going back now...Thanks for the rant..
Trev Hammer . Perth

[roverv8]

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/11/247.jpg

Yep, I miss my Rangies
A couple my Dad & I had, all gone now
he just bought a real tidy 93 RRC a couple months back, and told me I can have his 89 RRC with a 4.2 stroker to do up.
Time is the issue, woking on my house and all......
But it will back next after the D2, then my son will probably claim it off me!!

[MrLandy]

Hi just joined this forum. ..this is my 1993 range rover vogue se, it has been converted to a 300tdi, i am looking at lift kits not too sure what to get yet

Staplehead, this looks like a stunning example of a classic Rangie, why butcher it by lifting it on fat tyres?

As most have said, it will go most places other lifted trucks will go anyway.

Why not buck the trend, be proud that you don't need stupidly big tyres. It wont just save you money on rubber, but also on all the other driveline components down the track too.

Keep it classic I say! Enjoy.

Cheers

[RRNick]

I really Enjoy a good debate :
Learning to listen for a change and enjoying it thank you.
I recon as long as we enjoy what we do here in Tasmania/ Australia we can all agree on one thing.

Our Country is best seen from a 4x4 Window on any Track at any time.

God Bless Australia and 4x4`s :-)

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[ozscott]

But keeping a reasonably soft spring rate and 2 inch lift is a winning combo off road. My d2 is certainly more capable that way than when it was new.

Cheers

[gavinwibrow]

I too just got my first RR...3 months ago now..91 , diff locks , long range tanks ,rebuilt 3.9,total front end rebuild , new tyres, tint ,stereo , boss kit, dual batteries and new exhaust from custom exhausts Osborne park Perth..Rosita is pure beast and after all i spent, all i do is drive her , and after owning most brands of 4WD's on the market at some stage , nothing comes close to my 91 Classic...I truly look forward to every day behind that wheel.She may be old but turns the heads and eats sand like nothing i have ever seen...So enjoy my friend , there is no going back now...Thanks for the rant..
Trev Hammer . Perth
looking forward to seeing this beast!