Who has Painted and who has Paid?

[chaybra]

So I'm still unsure how to tackle the respray on my SIIa, do i attempt to paint myself with the limited space I have or do I pay someone to do it for me?

What has everyone else done who has gone down the restoration path? and who have you gotten to do it? (I'm melbourne based)

Note: I am going back to a standard color, it has been resprayed poorly in a slightly darker green

[gromit]

Remember a Land Rover is a series of panels bolted together so you can paint as you go. The biggest items would be the tub & roof.

Professional painting will potentially look better than new but at what cost ? Do you end up overcapitalising ? Do you want it to look better than it came off the showroom floor ?
In the UK a lot of people brush/roller paint Land Rovers. With the right type of paint and some practice the finish can be better than you'd think.
You could build a timber structure in the garden, cover it with clear plastic and make a temporary spray booth.

Is it going to be a working vehicle or a trailer queen ?

Personally I've spray painted outside and it's OK for what I need. With more time & practice I could do a better job. I have a roof to paint soon and again this will be done outside.

Best of luck.


Colin

[Homestar]

Yep, I've seen hand painted (with a brush) series vehicles that look very good and it certainly fits with the theme of the vehicle.

Personally, I will be painting my Sons myself when the time comes, but I've sprayed a few cars before. I have already seriously over capitalized on the resto, so spending another $1,000 on paint won't be the end of the world. That thousand is what you will spend on materials alone if you do the job to a professional standard yourself, but with cheaper paint bought from an Auto store, you could half that. If you get someone to do it for you, depending on how much prep you do, and to what quality, expect to pay anywhere from $3 to $7K depending on what you want.

As mentioned, you can do the bits as you go and you don't need too much room. Buy some drop sheets and hang them from the roof of your garage or where you are working and just cover a corner of the garage up as an impromptu spray booth so you don't get overspray on everything. Just a few square metres will be big enough to paint most things. :)

Painting is the easy bit - preparation is the key and takes 99% of the time required to paint a car. You will need a decent compressor as well - under around 12CFM will struggle, and use a good quality water trap. Cheap Bunnings specials won't supply the air required to get a decent paint job.

If you've never painted a car before, but have always wanted to, this is the perfect place to start - go on, give it a go yourself - the satisfaction of doing your own paint is enormous. :)

[The ho har's]

What the others have said. We do all our own painting and others as well, but that's us, PREPARTION is the key, a poorly prepped panel will show once painted. I saw a old county that was brushed painted the other day and it certainly looked good, added to the character of the vehicle.

Mrs hh:angel:

[Phil B]

So I'm still unsure how to tackle the respray on my SIIa, do i attempt to paint myself with the limited space I have or do I pay someone to do it for me?

What has everyone else done who has gone down the restoration path? and who have you gotten to do it? (I'm melbourne based)

Note: I am going back to a standard color, it has been resprayed poorly in a slightly darker green



I have completely spray painted 3 LR vehicles at home.
2 were flat (olive drab) and the other is gloss yellow.
If you have a decent compressor (you need sustained volume) and gun there is no reason you can't do it yourself.
I find that it is extremely rewarding looking at the finished product you have done yourself.:cool:
The trick with painting is the preparation. The better that is the better the end result. what's the saying? you shouldn't put lipstick on a pig?
You just have to be patient and only spray on a still, warm day.
Works for me.
Regards,

[Dark61]

I've only ever done a guard and a window top (roller & spray can) - it was my first attempt , I did it in the middle of a cold wet Winter - and both looked rubbish, but improved a bit after a rub down with a light wet and dry.
Why not try a small part and see how you go?
cheers,
D

[Lionelgee]

Hello

You can do a search on Gumtree for "Spray Booth" under the Category "Automotive" for local spray painters that actually hire out time in their spray booth. For example, one rate in Queensland was $100 for 8 hours during weekdays.

There may be a local spray painter that may offer a similar service? Never know until you look/ask :)

Kind Regards
Lionel

[strangy]

What Bacicat Philb and Lionelg said.
Personally I think any "restoration" using a roller or brush that wasn't that way from the factory is disgusting and am still to see anything that is even passable closer than 20 meters.

If you decide to spray at home be careful of your neighbors. Some councils can get very unhappy with home spraying.

[Lionelgee]

Hello Chaybra,

There are also some good YouTube videos about spray painting. There are a couple by Kevin Tetz, who is from the Eastwood Company based in the US of A. Plus there is an Australian based spray painter called the "Gunman".

I have no association to either the Eastwood Company or the "Gunman". The Eastwood videos are of course very Eastwood-centric "buy our product". However, it starts off as a very clear How to Spray Paint 101 course, of at least two parts. Kevin Tetz is a professional trainer who also likes to talk. While the Gunman is very much a practicing trades-person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_9WQmicyJU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coZ6NA-KJdo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvRbuaf5Tuk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj4hYMsv96E&feature=iv&src_vid=MvRbuaf5Tuk&annotation_id=annotation_936685457

The Gunman runs through the techniques of spray painting though not at the "101" level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH9QRSTeRN4

Beware all that "spare time" you had will soon disappear as you start to watch spray painting videos.

Kind Regards
Lionel

[DoubleChevron]

I'm itching to paint another car .... no time and even less money though. This is how I used to paint cars.... Acrylic lacquer and spraying anywhere 'cos you can just colour sand and finish any crap in the paint out.

Quick paint job anyone ???? (http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/citro%EBn-forum/31943-quick-paint-job-anyone.html)

The problem is the old Dulon doesn't last for ****. bird **** and tree sap stains and lifts it .... it disintegrates if left in the weather (especially in red).

This is the last effort I did .... Using activated paints is a revelation where finish and durability is required. It'll also poison you in record time unless you invest in an air fed mask.

Xantia clearcoat restoration advice please. (http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/citro%EBn-forum/110487-xantia-clearcoat-restoration-advice-please.html#post1244292)

this is how I painted the last one .... home made booth made out of builders plastic. You know this would be really effective with a series vehicle. Like a Citroen DS you can pull each panel off and spray individually. The biggest panels will be the bonnet and roof.

This is what you need:
--lots of spare time
--the right attitude
--Having the right attitude and not giving in will help ...
--Having the right attitude and re-doing stuff over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over until it's right is the only way to get a good finish.
--If you have the attitude bit down .... belt drive compressors > 12CFM these days are cheap, spray guns are cheap (you'll sand any finish level anyway, so exotic expensive brand name guns aren't required). Lots of sandpaper. budget for how much you think you'll need, then multiply the amount by 10. Get yourself a speed file and lots of bog .... you'll use ****loads of bondo on aluminium body panels as I wouldn't suggest trying to "work" them otherwise you'll just work harden the panel.

seeya,
Shane L.

[gromit]

Personally I think any "restoration" using a roller or brush that wasn't that way from the factory is disgusting and am still to see anything that is even passable closer than 20 meters.


If done carefully with a small roller it looks like it's been sprayed.
My Series I hardtop was painted with household paint using a brush & roller. I chose to do this because it's made of canvas covered plywood and I checked on the old caravan sites for the best way to finish bondwood.

Difficult to see in this photo but the finish is OK, the substrate is tired and damaged but the idea was to waterproof it after some repairs before heading to Cooma in 2008. Still looks OK.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2017/05/76.jpg (http://s1245.photobucket.com/user/cradley/media/Series%201%20with%20Welder/DSCF4232.jpg.html)


Like most things in life, just because someone tells you it can't be done doesn't mean it actually can't be done.......

Colin

[Homestar]

And of course this Series 1 also has the coolest mirror ever made... :)

[isuzurover]

I have painted a few cars using automotive enamel and professional spray gear with good results. The IIA needs redoing after 18 years though. This time it will be in the original olive drab - and probably with a brush. Many military landies were refinished in service with a brush and you can only tell the difference when up very close.

[chaybra]

Thanks so much for your advice everyone, I think i will give it a crack myself! I already have a frame built and a bunch of plastic I can hang around it, Just need a compressor and gun.

Another issue would be sourcing some original deep bronze green?? suggestions?

[Homestar]

Someone will have the paint code. Once you have that, you can get it mixed anywhere that sells automotive paint.

[scottvdw]

Deep bronze green paint code is BS318C-224. This is (or was?) a "British Standard" colour - not just a Land rover colour so most paint shops should have a formular for it.
Regards,
Scott

[MR LR]

People that suggest brush, roller or rattle can spraying vehicles really shouldn't be giving advice on the topic. Or 'restoring' anything other than a weatherboard shack.

Have a go spraying it yourself, do it with a decent 2 pack paint and it will come up nicely, should be able to do it for less than a few hundred dollars in paint. Land Rovers are easy to paint. Go for it!

[Homestar]

People that suggest brush, roller or rattle can spraying vehicles really shouldn't be giving advice on the topic. Or 'restoring' anything other than a weatherboard shack.

Sorry, but I disagree. Many Land Rovers were painted with a brush as standard - my 101 for example, as well as most early Military Vehicles were. Does that mean I shouldn't be restoring my 101 because if I was a rivet counter, I'd certainly be breaking out a paint brush as part of the restoration. Also, a lot of owners of civilian Landies painted their pride and joys with a brush as they needed a spruce up, so it is IMO using a brush to paint one can actually be a very sympathetic way of restoring one if your not after a show room finish.

Not everyone is after a shiny series vehicle when they restore one and putting them down like that is very narrow minded IMO.

Also, not sure when you last bought a 'decent 2 pack' but I can tell you that a few hundred dollars certainly wouldn't buy the paint needed, let alone all the consumables. Also, 2 pack produces very toxic fumes when spraying and it is both illegal, and not recommended to use it as a DIY product in your garage.

The 'Decent' 2 pack I use in the paint shop I work in occasionally runs to nearly $800 for 4 litres. Cheaper kits can be bought for much less, but you get what you pay for.

[MR LR]

They were painted after market with a brush, they left the factory having been sprayed to my knowledge, I don't know why the factory would brush anything other than check-strokes on bolts etc...

There is a difference between a restoration and maintenance... this is where the line is blurred.

4L of paint is more than enough to paint a series body, I'd neglected to consider the chassis in this instance. The consumables are not too pricey if you already have the gear. We must have two very different paint suppliers...

2 pack is not dangerous if you have the correct gear. In fact I've never even heard anyone other than back yarders carry on about it so much...

[Homestar]

That's because professional paint shops comply with all OH&S and EPA requirements for the handling, use and disposal of the stuff so no, we don't go on about it because we know what is required. Unless you have full air wash helmets, you shouldn't be spraying 2 pack, but yes, a lot do. I actually value my brain cells. ;)

The shop I work in runs multiple booths that you can drive semi trailers through and has up to 15 people working in it - the owner gets paint at the right price, I can assure you. As an industrial coatings facility, their idea of decent and yours may differ. I guarantee you can't buy a 4 litre DuPont Imron kit for a few hundred dollars.

[MR LR]

That's because professional paint shops comply with all OH&S and EPA requirements for the handling, use and disposal of the stuff so no, we don't go on about it because we know what is required. Unless you have full air wash helmets, you shouldn't be spraying 2 pack, but yes, a lot do. I actually value my brain cells. ;)

The shop I work in runs multiple booths that you can drive semi trailers through and has up to 15 people working in it - the owner gets paint at the right price, I can assure you. As an industrial coatings facility, their idea of decent and yours may differ. I guarantee you can't buy a 4 litre DuPont Imron kit for a few hundred dollars.
Who the hell paints a car with Imron... to go from brushes to Imron is a very large leap, but if all you want to do is make a point, then I'll let you have it.

Thought you worked at a hire shop? Career change? You seem in better spirits... :)

[Homestar]

Yes, no one uses Imron to paint a car, but the mention of 'decent' 2 pack came up. :). I've given my mate who owns the buisness 'a chop out' many a time when needed so know my way around a paint shop. I almost became a panel beater before I started my Electrical apprenticeship many moons ago. I'm still in the hire game, and yes, my spirits are higher since my recent transition. :)

[isuzurover]

People that suggest brush, roller or rattle can spraying vehicles really shouldn't be giving advice on the topic. Or 'restoring' anything other than a weatherboard shack.

Have a go spraying it yourself, do it with a decent 2 pack paint and it will come up nicely, should be able to do it for less than a few hundred dollars in paint. Land Rovers are easy to paint. Go for it!

2 pack is by far the best paint, even better than powdercoating (admitted by powdercoaters). However it is highly toxic isocyanate (neurotoxin) based. By law in most states it cannot be sold to the general public. The next time i spray a car it will be my paint of choice but i will be spending a lot of money on air supplied breathing apparatus and a chemical suit beforehand. There are no old spray painters. Cancer and other illness rates are very high.

[crackers]

MR LR, while simply rolling on paint does produce a less than perfect result, there ARE techniques for using a roller that produce a result that is damned hard to pick from a sprayed result. They typically involve getting the amount of thinners correct (gee, just like spraying) and, once you've rolled on the paint, holding the roller with your finger with your finger and dragging it over the surface. It sounds rough and ready but the results, in the hands of someone familiar with the technique, are more than good enough for a Landy and better than plenty I see on some cars sold these days.

You've got a valid point in saying that getting the right spray kit and learning how to use it is the best way to go. Other people would be also correct in suggesting that getting almost the right kit and learning how to use it (like me) are also going to produce a great job. However, those who've learned how to use a roller and/or brush can produce results that few if any would complain about.

On the other hand, a less than perfect spray job will always be so, just as a lousy brush or roller job will always be lousy.

There is more than way to remove the fur from the kitty and a spray gun with all the appropriate kit is only one of the options available.

Can we stop arguing now please?

Maybe I should share this story. In a previous existence, I was a surveyor. My chainman was one of those 'agricultural' types. He drove an HQ Holden that was rough even in those days. One weekend, he decided it needed a repaint... so he bought a can of house paint and a roller... and painted the poor thing. By cripes it looked like it too. No edges cut in. Surface was wall to wall orange peel. Then there were the bits he'd missed. The funny thing is, not only was it appropriate to the man, but appropriate to the vehicle. We noticed, we laughed (with him, he knew how rough it was), and life moved on. Funny bugga. I'll have to find more opportunities to tell stories about him. He'd approve of Landy's too.

[crackers]

2 pack is by far the best paint, even better than powdercoating (admitted by powdercoaters). However it is highly toxic isocyanate (neurotoxin) based. By law in most states it cannot be sold to the general public. The next time i spray a car it will be my paint of choice but i will be spending a lot of money on air supplied breathing apparatus and a chemical suit beforehand. There are no old spray painters. Cancer and other illness rates are very high.

2 pack paint? I painted my last boat with that... and still have the respirator and memories of my heart rate and all that other good stuff. By cripes you have to be careful with that stuff. On the other hand, once I'd worked out how to spray it, it produced a beautiful, rock hard finish... which I then stuffed up with later work (painted the hull too early didn't I :angel:) and would have had to do it again, only I got cunning and sold the boat.

I've also used two pack on model aeroplanes and again, it produces a rock hard, nitro proof finish... that weighs a ton if you're not careful (and is the merry devil to sand off if weight matters which it did to me).

I'm not writing off two pack for my Landy, but would hope to avoid such issues come spraying time. Considering I've yet to start scrubbing back the chassis (which will be painted with a brush buggerit), it's an academic question for me at the moment.

[whitehillbilly64]

Many years ago when I was young, but who really can remember that,
Our old neighbour had worked for Rolls Royce, as a painter.
Hand painter.
'People that suggest brush, roller or rattle can spraying vehicles really shouldn't be giving advice on the topic. Or 'restoring' anything other than a weatherboard shack'
You should of seen the Finish, when he painted the house he lived in.
Wish He lived next door now.

whitehillbilly

[isuzurover]

Coachpainting Info (http://coachpainting.info/)

This is an interesting read. There was a bloke in LROCB who had hand painted a series 3 that looked like it was sprayed.

[MR LR]

I'm the third generation in our family to be into both Veteran cars and Land Rovers... and whilst cars were hand painted in the early days, it was an art form, and I've never seen a home job that looks half as good, another skill lost with time.

Plus by 1948 spray painting was a thing... so there's no reason someone should slap paint on a Land Rover with a brush.

Our 1905 Rover is even spray painted...

[gromit]

People that suggest brush, roller or rattle can spraying vehicles really shouldn't be giving advice on the topic. Or 'restoring' anything other than a weatherboard shack.




Interesting attitude, but I guess I'm the same when it comes to some things people do to Land Rovers.
Sprayed, high gloss finish isn't how it came from the factory but you see a lot of Land Rovers with a better than factory finish.

I don't have any Land Rovers that I'm 'restoring' but I have several that I intend to get back on the road and use. Some have virtually no paint left (like the one pictured earlier) and others that will just get sprayed olive drab (probably done outside as in Service).

Land Rovers are/were a working vehicle and were often brush painted or rollered. Not to 'restore' them but to brighten them up, please the wife, stop the Police keep pulling the vehicle for checks etc.
If someone was 'restoring' a vehicle then I would agree with your comment but otherwise it's up to the individual, their financial circumstances etc. etc.

Live & let live.


Colin

[strangy]

So Chaybra,
Now the Cocky's, Backyarders, work truck , show car, once apon a time, folks have quietened:angel:

Have you managed to get enough info to decide on a paid job or give it a go yourself?

[The ho har's]

So Chaybra,
Now the Cocky's, Backyarders, work truck , show car, once apon a time, folks have quietened:angel:

Have you managed to get enough info to decide on a paid job or give it a go yourself?

OI I resent that comment. I have all of the above and love them all:D

Mrs hh:angel:

[crackers]

We haven't covered giving the grand kids a set of paints and letting them finger paint the panels :twisted:

[chaybra]

Haha thanks for the info and entertainment!

I will be giving it a crack myself most likely (not with a brush). I can borrow a bigger compressor, I have a wooden frame I made to use as a "roof rack hoist" that I can chuck some plastic over, I have got myself a dolly kit and am keen to give some panel beating a go :D

I will do it panel by panel, The color it is atm is still green so it wont look so silly for long. First I will get the engine finished and in.

[strangy]

OI I resent that comment. I have all of the above and love them all:D Mrs hh:angel:
To quote Hawkeye Pearce, I think you mean to say:
"I resemble that comment"
😀

[goingbush]

The last time I painted a car was about 35 years ago , The tough decision back then was to chose between Spraying Enamel or Acrylic Lacquer . no such thing as 2 pack, Acrylic Lacquer was fast drying and needed to be cut & polished to obtain a gloss but could not be coated over existing paint unless it was also known to be Lacquer .

Enamel gave a good gloss off the gun but too heavy a coat produced runs and because it was slow drying leaving dust or bugs in the paint overnight.

So now I'm faced with having to paint another Landy , I defenetly don't want to get into 2 Packs, So what are my DIY paint options nowadays ?? I might have to go an Enamel as the truck has about 10 layers of paint & I don't fancy completely removing it all back to the aluminium .

Septone paint stripper & pressure washing doing a good lob 1 layer at a time
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/04/594.jpg

[MR LR]

The last time I painted a car was about 35 years ago , The tough decision back then was to chose between Spraying Enamel or Acrylic Lacquer . no such thing as 2 pack, Acrylic Lacquer was fast drying and needed to be cut & polished to obtain a gloss but could not be coated over existing paint unless it was also known to be Lacquer .

Enamel gave a good gloss off the gun but too heavy a coat produced runs and because it was slow drying leaving dust or bugs in the paint overnight.

So now I'm faced with having to paint another Landy , I defenetly don't want to get into 2 Packs, So what are my DIY paint options nowadays ?? I might have to go an Enamel as the truck has about 10 layers of paint & I don't fancy completely removing it all back to the aluminium .

Septone paint stripper & pressure washing doing a good lob 1 layer at a time
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/04/594.jpg
Why not two-pack? It is in my opinion the easiest of all paints to use. A lot of people are scared of mixing it up, but if you can count to at least 4 or 5 that isn't a problem :p

Try it.

[goingbush]

Why not two-pack? It is in my opinion the easiest of all paints to use. A lot of people are scared of mixing it up, but if you can count to at least 4 or 5 that isn't a problem :p

Try it.

Because of the toxicity , Im in a estate type residential area with mainly retiree neighbours ( usually home) I don't have a spray booth , and the clean up will be a pita, Also two pack is totally wrong on a 40+ year old LandRover , This thing will have ripples and dents all over it and a thick high gloss finish is just going to be wrong .

this is the finish I'll be aiming for

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/04/570.jpg

[harry]

Because of the toxicity , Im in a estate type residential area with mainly retiree neighbours ( usually home) I don't have a spray booth , and the clean up will be a pita, Also two pack is totally wrong on a 40+ year old LandRover , This thing will have ripples and dents all over it and a thick high gloss finish is just going to be wrong .

this is the finish I'll be aiming for

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/04/570.jpg
that's probably two pack in the picture.
I have repainted my s2a shorty station wagon roof and sides in two pack, probably done a bit more preparation than most, but I do suggest you try painting in two pack, it's not as bad as the naysayers believe, if you take moderate precautions, and just do a panel at a time, its a meccano set, so you can remove the bonnet, strip it and prepare it and paint it, then move on to the next panel, these things do not lend themselves to the modern car full repaint at the one time, and can be done bit by bit, just make sure you buy enough paint to cover the whole job and mix your paint properly each time you do a panel, and seal the paint tin properly each time.


and to those that say two pack is bad for you and never used it ... shutup.

[Slunnie]

The last time I painted a car was about 35 years ago , The tough decision back then was to chose between Spraying Enamel or Acrylic Lacquer . no such thing as 2 pack, Acrylic Lacquer was fast drying and needed to be cut & polished to obtain a gloss but could not be coated over existing paint unless it was also known to be Lacquer .

Enamel gave a good gloss off the gun but too heavy a coat produced runs and because it was slow drying leaving dust or bugs in the paint overnight.

So now I'm faced with having to paint another Landy , I defenetly don't want to get into 2 Packs, So what are my DIY paint options nowadays ?? I might have to go an Enamel as the truck has about 10 layers of paint & I don't fancy completely removing it all back to the aluminium .

Septone paint stripper & pressure washing doing a good lob 1 layer at a time
Sand it, clean it and roll it if you're not too fussed. They come up pretty alright for a vehicle that comes dented from the factory.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/04/585.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/07/786.jpg

[goingbush]

no Im not too fussed,

What type of paint is that . They have brush on / roll on automotive paints in UK but I haven't heard about them here.

[Slunnie]

Its just epoxy enamel, nothing flash and it will go matt after a while.

[AndyG]

As a matter of interest what did the factory use back then

[Slunnie]

As a matter of interest what did the factory use back then
No idea, probably aircraft paint!

[Pedro_The_Swift]

I think you need to go here--;)

http://www.aulro.com/afvb/series-i-land-rover-enthusiasts-section/177254-my-1955-86-rebuild.html

and read how its done in a backyard.
even hints on compressor size and paint mixtures:p

you up for 500 odd posts??
mind you, the end is worth it.:cool:

[AndyG]

No idea, probably aircraft paint!
I believe the prototypes used A/C cockpit paint, but not the production vehicles.
Now awaiting a great bucket of scorn to be poured on me ;)

[LandyAndy]

If you are going to spray it get an "upside down" spray gun.They are cheap and much easier to use than a normal gun.They dont need as much air to run them either.
Ive painted with both,would never use an old fashiond gun again;););););)
Andrew

[goingbush]

Thanks for the gun tip Andrew, I was going to use my suction gun but will buy a new Gravity gun.

Ive settled on Protek 363 ,
363 Automotive Enamel | Protec - The Clear Choice (http://www.protec.com.au/products/category/363-automotive-enamel)
Single pack spraying enamel, (which means I can paint over previously painted surfaces ) , and also have the option to add 500ml of 369 UAE (Urethane Additive). to 4L of 363 which converts it into a 2 pack ,

sounds like the way to go .

[MR LR]

Because of the toxicity , Im in a estate type residential area with mainly retiree neighbours ( usually home) I don't have a spray booth , and the clean up will be a pita, Also two pack is totally wrong on a 40+ year old LandRover , This thing will have ripples and dents all over it and a thick high gloss finish is just going to be wrong .

this is the finish I'll be aiming for

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/04/570.jpg
Two-pack is available in whatever finish you want, matte, satin, semi-gloss, gloss, high gloss, glazey drunk eyes, sweaty forehead sheen blah blah... basically whatever you want.

Enamel is a bad idea, as then when it's time to be repainted it has to be entirely stripped, or painted again with the same crud. It does however stick to anything and everything.

Paint a Land Rover one panel at a time, even modern Defenders were painted entirely un-assembled. (On a big frame).

[mudder110]

mate just use dulux metal shield in whatever colour you want
but I would use a hvlp spray gun high pressure low volume
good luck

[MR LR]

mate just use dulux metal shield in whatever colour you want
but I would use a hvlp spray gun high pressure low volume
good luck
I can't even call that suggestion agricultural, I wouldn't paint a clapped out tractor with it!

[mudder110]

I can't even call that suggestion agricultural, I wouldn't paint a clapped out tractor with it!
metal shield is a silicone based enamel, if you use the professional range
it is better then automotive enamel, get the same build as two pak wont fade can be painted over if need be, its what I do for a living its used on heavy machinery, tough as nails, and you can use it on your clapped out tractor, but sounds like you know your paints, another advantage is it can be recoated in 10 minutes certainly suitable for that tractor
cheers

[goingbush]

This bloke does a good job of using a roller

https://youtu.be/_qPJTTRWttQ

[mudder110]

This bloke does a good job of using a roller

https://youtu.be/_qPJTTRWttQ
all double decker buses in England used to be painted by brush using a linear theory now its used in antifouling coatings mainly two paks

[gromit]

no Im not too fussed,

What type of paint is that . They have brush on / roll on automotive paints in UK but I haven't heard about them here.

I don't think there is anything special about the paint, you just don't want it drying too quickly. The slow drying gives the paint a chance to level out.
Agricultural supplies sold 'Tractol' (tractol enamel) which was often used or you could get an additive to slow down the drying of some types of paint.
Tekaloid enamel was 'the business', have a look at the Land Rover under 'Coach Painted Vehicles' on this site Coachpainting Info (http://coachpainting.info/)

Using a roller doesn't come up too bad but getting a good finish when brush painting is an art, plus you need to find a supplier of decent brushes not Bunnings/Masters etc. In the UK you got a Hamilton Perfection brush and then 'run it in' by brushing backwards & forwards against a brick for ages to make sure there were no loose bristles and to soften up the individual bristles and break off any bits where the ends were flagged (split).
I had a tour round the factory many years ago and they actually had a machine that 'ran them in'.

A lost art.....


Another brush/roller painted Land Rover here :- https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/how-to-hand-paint-a-landy-with-pictures.152225/


Colin

[mudder110]

that's right grommet, preparation is first and utmost any paint I use that is not two pak I use penetrol it strengthens the paint and it will dry slower and dry smooth as glass Hamilton brushes haven't heard that name for years
coach painting a real skill and a art of its own. some people really over think painting, bit like me with my defender.

[goingbush]

Its starting to look might attractive to me to use a brush and roller and a Satin finish Nato Green instead of DBG on my Lightweight, after all its the colour it was with the units it served !! convincing arguments here https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/paintin-my-defender-in-military-paint.91568/

[goingbush]

Oh well, so much for that plan, stood back and threw a coat of Jungle Green on it today, brush and roller . at least it looks like it don't belong on the hard garbage collection heap anymore.

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/04/469.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/04/470.jpg

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2016/04/471.jpg

[Slunnie]

As I was saying on FB, I think it looks fantastic. It's absolutely transformed the vehicle. Well done.

[Rextheute]

WOW !
That is a great effort , we can all stand around and gives opinions on which ,what and why .
But that's a result and its ripper !