Oh what a ******

[robbotd5]

Evening all.
Well, I just saw yotas new add for the new landcrusher and seriously, I nearly threw up. Yes folks, even worse than that stupid border protection crap. No, there was no mention of Land Rover but the theme of the add was the yota rescuing other cars ( namely a Jeep ). It's as if it is Gods own car!!!! Geez thanks mate from rescuing us! PLEASE....
Toyota adds take self abuse to a whole new level. How much must they spend brainwashing the Australian public!!!
Regards
Robbo

[weeds]

They will out sell land rover 10-1.....must be doing setting right.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

They have to outsell us 10-1
they out manufacture us 10-1
totally different market.

[LandyAndy]

I could drive 30km to buy one and get it serviced at a dealer in most WA country towns.
To buy a Landy,easy choice,160km to the city or 250 km to Albany if I want to buy a Landy in WA.Same if I want is serviced by a dealer,actualy there is 1 independant factory backed service place in WA,Whyatts in Geraldton,600km north of here:(:(:(:(:(:(
No I wouldnt be considering a tojo.
Andrew

[Disco Muppet]

I like my V8 tojo work utes, they're comfortable, the air con in them is icy cold after a hot day, they go wherever I point them (nothing difficult), tow well and best of all, I don't have to pay a cent towards operating or maintaining them :D
The ads for them are pretty cringe worthy, it's like they subtly take the **** out of the people that buy them.
I'd never buy them as they're horrendous value for money.

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[LandyAndy]

I like my V8 tojo work utes, they're comfortable, the air con in them is icy cold after a hot day, they go wherever I point them (nothing difficult), tow well and best of all, I don't have to pay a cent towards operating or maintaining them :D
The ads for them are pretty cringe worthy, it's like they subtly take the **** out of the people that buy them.
I'd never buy them as they're horrendous value for money.

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Dont press too hardly on the loud pedal.They get a de-rated V8 to protect the gearbox.Even the 4.2 turbo ate them up.
The gearbox is crap.
Andrew

[Disco Muppet]

Not my problem :D
We've got 3 of the V8s, one at 70k, one at 130k, and one at over 200k and they all seem to be holding up fine :)
Sadly one of our 4.2 turbos is not quite right, someone screwed it and after the rebuild its never been right. Shame as it's a much better engine.
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[loanrangie]

What about the new fortuner bucket of poo, ugly piece of crap that must have been styled by that ssssangyong crowd.
They dont make a single vehicle i would buy, the 86 looks ok but has got no go.

[Fluids]

They dont make a single vehicle i would buy, the 86 looks ok but has got no go.

... and it's made by, and is really, a Subaru !

No Soul :(

[Disco Muppet]

A mate has an auto 86. Can't chirp the tyres from a standing start.
Sounds like a noisy lawn mower :p
I'd have a 2JZ supra.

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[PAT303]

Give them some credit,it's an amazing achievement taking dull lifeless god awful styled vehicles and making them even more dull lifeless with more god awful styling. Pat

[jonesfam]

Tojo's are alright in their place. That's just not my place.






1 thing I have noticed while following all newish Toyota 4WD's, they are fat.


They look skinny up top, have fat hips & sort of bulge out in the thighs.


Kind of like there bulbous from the waist down.
Looks like someone wearing pants that are to tight.
Jonesfam

[MR LR]

Dont press too hardly on the loud pedal.They get a de-rated V8 to protect the gearbox.Even the 4.2 turbo ate them up.
The gearbox is crap.
Andrew
No, the 1HD-FTE got a seriously up-rated gearbox, which is the same box as used in the V8. It's strong.

The old box as found on the 1HZ or old 1HD-T is weak...

The new Defender had better be a bloody good machine, or I know what I'll be buying.

[kelvo]

The new Defender had better be a bloody good machine, or I know what I'll be buying.

An old Defender?

[MR LR]

An old Defender?
A Land Cruiser!

[Saitch]

The old box as found on the 1HZ or old 1HD-T is weak...
.

Bloody Hell, I wish I'd known that before I bought my 'tilley all those years ago although it's only got 312000 on the clock;)
Steve

[MR LR]

Bloody Hell, I wish I'd known that before I bought my 'tilley all those years ago although it's only got 312000 on the clock;)
Steve
Maybe I should have said 'weaker', Land Rover owners love to rag on Toyota gearboxes, yet seem to forget how many main shafts and 5th gears LR's break... One eyed bunch some of these folk.

We have LR's, Jeeps, Toyotas and Nissans! Even Suzuki in the past...

[B92 8NW]

I reckon the 2016 update is a better looking 200 series than the earlier variants. The bonnet shape however is a bit odd IMO.

[scarry]

I reckon the 2016 update is a better looking 200 series than the earlier variants. The bonnet shape however is a bit odd IMO.

True,but why do the fronts sag so much on some,even when they have no bar or winch?
It makes them look horrible.

[DiscoMick]

I notice they say that Toyotas have been here since 1958, which is finally an admission that they didn't arrive until eight years after the Snowy Mountains scheme started.
In comparison, the first Land Rover arrived in 1949 and most of the hard work was done by Series 1s before the first Toyotas even appeared over eight years later (and they didn't even have low range).
So much for all that propaganda about Toyotas building the Snowy Mountains scheme - just a load of rubbish.

[BMKal]

I notice they say that Toyotas have been here since 1958, which is finally an admission that they didn't arrive until eight years after the Snowy Mountains scheme started.
In comparison, the first Land Rover arrived in 1949 and most of the hard work was done by Series 1s before the first Toyotas even appeared over eight years later (and they didn't even have low range).
So much for all that propaganda about Toyotas building the Snowy Mountains scheme - just a load of rubbish.

They may have "arrived" in Australia in 1958, but the general public, and even the mining industry could not purchase them for many years after that.

I remember in the late '60's living at a small mining village called Moline - about 30 miles east of Pine Creek in the NT. All the mine vehicles were Land Rovers (my father's car was an Austin Freeway wagon). The mining company was looking for a suitable replacement for the 4 cylinder Land Rovers, as they really didn't have the grunt needed for the job. There was talk about of these "new" Japanese 4WD's that Thiess had bought into the country (through his dealership in Darwin) but nobody had seen them.

When the 6 cylinder Land Rovers became available, the company (United Uranium) bought a few of these, mainly to be used by the geologists as exploration vehicles. These were soon sold off, as they were even worse than the 4 cylinder Land Rovers (I'm talking petrol engines in all cases here).

We left Moline in 1969 and moved to Ardlethan in NSW where my father worked in the tin mine. The company vehicles there were all Holdens - either sedans for senior management, or utes. I remember my father having an EH ute for quite a while, and this was eventually replaced with a HK.

From Ardlethan, the family moved to King Island. Again, the "surface" vehicles were all Holden - my father was given a "NEW" HQ ute, which rusted out in a matter of months. I remember travelling in the back of the ute with my brother once, taking a load of rubbish to the tip. I was stood up in the back behind the cabin, with my arse resting on the rear window. We hit a bump, and the entire rear window fell into the cab, hitting both my parents on the back of the head. The steel all round the window had rusted out - the vehicle was less than 6 months old when this happened.

The "underground" vehicles at King Island were all Land Rovers. I had to learn how to drive the Land Rover "Ambulance" on my first day on the job when I worked there during school holidays. Some time later, the company (King Island Scheelite) replaced all the Land Rovers with 40 series Toyotas, and put these to work underground. Within less than a year, they were buying Land Rovers again, as the Toyotas were riddled with rust and were falling apart.

[JDNSW]

I worked and travelled in areas suitable for four wheel drives from the 1950s, but my first real experience was in 1959 where I used Series 1s on a BMR geological party. This sensitised me to the type of four wheel drives I saw, and they were all Landrovers except for an occasional WW2 vintage Jeep.

Starting work full time in 1962, it was Landrovers, IH 120 utes or two wheel drive, occasional new Jeeps.

I first sighted a Landcruiser in 1963 on a property in western Qld. Lacking low range its, clutch failed during the wet.

Over the next few years I became aware that they existed, but did not actually have a close look at one until the company I was working for re-equipped with new Landcruisers in early 1965 for a field party I was leading to the Simpson Desert. For the next two years I drove them for work, although by that stage I owned a Series 2 88, which I traded on a diesel 2a 109 trayback over Christmas 1965.

By that stage Landcruisers were being aggressively marketed by Thiess, and Japanese cars of various varieties were starting to appear, although few took them seriously.

John

[MR LR]

Unfortunately it's no longer 1967, so Toyotas now have low range... a powerful reliable driveline, and incredible user friendliness.

Toyota is in 2015, Defenders are still in 1967 (seriously who puts a 2.2L in a vehicle with a 6+ tonne GCM), so it's no wonder they outsell us 10-1, probably even 100-1, or higher.

LR screwed up when they built the series 3, it should have been the 110 there and then, and we might be halfway competitive still today... but alas.

Both companies maintain a reputation from the 70's, unfortunately Toyota built a strong one... and maintained it.

[scarry]

Give them some credit,it's an amazing achievement taking dull lifeless god awful styled vehicles and making them even more dull lifeless with more god awful styling. Pat

There can't be many that care,just look at the sales figures?..

And they aren't all company vehicles.

in fact,during the last 20yrs,there were almost as many Prados sold in Aus,as there were Defenders sold world wide.

Four out of every five vehicles sold in the large SUV category is a LC200.

Hilux sales figures,well we won't go there.

Resale value is also way ahead of anything European.

Now off for a spin in the D4:D:D

[scarry]

Unfortunately it's no longer 1967, so Toyotas now have low range... a powerful reliable driveline, and incredible user friendliness.

Toyota is in 2015, Defenders are still in 1967 (seriously who puts a 2.2L in a vehicle with a 6+ tonne GCM), so it's no wonder they outsell us 10-1, probably even 100-1, or higher.

LR screwed up when they built the series 3, it should have been the 110 there and then, and we might be halfway competitive still today... but alas.

Both companies maintain a reputation from the 70's, unfortunately Toyota built a strong one... and maintained it.

And leaves many stupid design faults that have been issues for years,and adds a few more:o

Output shafts,axle flanges,weaker diffs,etc.

Arrr, but they do have character,but that may slowly disappear as the current Defender production stops