Snatch strap recommendation

[Judo]

Time to buy a stretchy snatch strap.

It will be for the D1 and then County. I had assumed that I should just buy the 11T one if I can afford it (I can), but doing some reading it seems maybe an 8T is better suited?

What weight rating should I get?
Links to a good choice where I can buy online? (I.E. any brands I should choose / avoid)

Cheers.

[rrturboD]

Stick with the smaller one, still 3-4 times the vehicle weight. Use a big one and it will have much less flex with lighter load.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

its just an article,,

SNATCH STRAP COMPARISON - Unsealed 4X4 (http://www.unsealed4x4.com.au/snatch-strap-comparison/)

the legal bits
https://www.productsafety.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/981402

[Judo]

its just an article,,

SNATCH STRAP COMPARISON - Unsealed 4X4 (http://www.unsealed4x4.com.au/snatch-strap-comparison/)

the legal bits
https://www.productsafety.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/981402

ARB 8T strap it is! Thanks. :)

[Tank]

A snatch strap is no better than the hitch points on the 2 vehicles, use carefully and as a last resort, Regards frank.

[Eevo]

A snatch strap is no better than the hitch points on the 2 vehicles

how is that different to a winch?
a winch is no better than the hitch points.

[ozscott]

Beacuse a winch is usually bolted to the vehcles chassis rails versus people often snatching from anything that looks handy and also because of the dynamic loads created.

Cheers

[Eevo]

Beacuse a winch is usually bolted to the vehcles chassis rails versus people often snatching from anything that looks handy and also because of the dynamic loads created.

Cheers

need to compare apples with apples.


otherwise i could says people often winch from anything that looks handy.

im not sure dynamic load comes into it. 9000N is 9000N

[Tank]

need to compare apples with apples.


otherwise i could says people often winch from anything that looks handy.

im not sure dynamic load comes into it. 9000N is 9000N
I've heard of plenty of broken hitches off either the towed or towing vehicle flying through the air and taking peoples heads off, NEVER seen or heard of a winch doing the same and if you can't see the problem maybe you shouldn't be playing with snatch straps, Regards Frank.

[Eevo]

so you have seen lots of severed heads?

i call bs.

[Tank]

so you have seen lots of severed heads?

i call bs.
Nah, didn't say that, read the post properly, Regards Frank.

[Eevo]

sorry, i did misread.

the problem is people attaching straps to non chassis mounted recovery points, not with the actual straps.

[Tank]

sorry, i did misread.

the problem is people attaching straps to non chassis mounted recovery points, not with the actual straps.
The stored kinetic energy generated in a snatch recovery is an unknown factor, to keep it safe the weakest link should be the snatch strap.
With most of the available tow/hitch points there is no guarantee of strength/fitness for the job, so if the hitch/tow point becomes the weakest link then people may be injured or killed.
Not likely to happen if using a winch correctly, as I said, use only as a last resort, Regards Frank.

[Eevo]

The stored kinetic energy generated in a snatch recovery is an unknown factor, to keep it safe the weakest link should be the snatch strap.preaching to the choir.



With most of the available tow/hitch points there is no guarantee of strength/fitness for the job, so if the hitch/tow point becomes the weakest link then people may be injured or killed.
Not likely to happen if using a winch correctly, as I said, use only as a last resort, Regards Frank.

should never be using a tow/hitch point, snatch or winch.
only a recovery point.

using a winch incorrectly will produce the same results.

[Tank]

preaching to the choir.



should never be using a tow/hitch point, snatch or winch.
only a recovery point.

using a winch incorrectly will produce the same results.
Tow , Hitch point in this post means Recovery point, Regards Frank.

Quote:"using a winch incorrectly will produce the same results."
Please explain.

BTW, you don't call those bits of flat plate with a few holes in them and bolted under the chassis about a metre back from the front of the bullbar "Recovery points", do you?

[Judo]

Frank, can you give an example of a recovery point you call suitable? If I go out and buy recovery points to put on my vehicle, what should I buy?

[Eevo]

Tow , Hitch point in this post means Recovery point, Regards Frank.

Quote:"using a winch incorrectly will produce the same results."
Please explain.

BTW, you don't call those bits of flat plate with a few holes in them and bolted under the chassis about a metre back from the front of the bullbar "Recovery points", do you?

no, a tow point is for the tow truck. it cant (shouldnt) be used for snatch or winch.


i'm not sure what flat plate bolted to the chassis your referring to???

[Tank]

Frank, can you give an example of a recovery point you call suitable? If I go out and buy recovery points to put on my vehicle, what should I buy?
An ideal recovery point would be a boxed (reinforced) end of front chassis rails with a large diameter 25mm and above threaded hole in at least 1/2" plate and welded nut (at least 25 to 30mm deep), with a castellated nut and thick hardened washer on end of thread, corresponding hole through the bull bar with a rated Collared Eye Bolt screwed into the threaded box section. Or better still a rated swivel eye bolt, if fixed eye bolt hole in bolt should be vertical to allow shackle to self align with the direction of pull.
On both sides of course.
Advantages are, no climbing under vehicle to attach recover sling/rope, vertical pin hole allows shackle to align to direction of pull, unlike chassis side plates that stress the shackles by forcing them sideways, equal load on both chassis rails, no load on bullbar and cable rope is always above the bottom of bull bar unlike underneath plates which can allow bottom of bull bar to jamb cable/rope against hard ground.
Disadvantages, not easy for the average punter to build, but anyone with tools and can oxy cut and electric weld can do the job himself, would probably need local machine shop to run a large Tap through the welded nut (for the eye bolt shaft) and through the 1/2 inch plate that the nut is welded to, BTW do this before welding in or boxing the end of chassis rails.
Hope this helps, Regards Frank.

[Tank]

no, a tow point is for the tow truck. it cant (shouldnt) be used for snatch or winch.


i'm not sure what flat plate bolted to the chassis your referring to???
no, a tow point is for the tow truck. it cant (shouldnt) be used for snatch or winch.
Yes and why not


i'm not sure what flat plate bolted to the chassis your referring to???


You don't know?? Regards Frank.

[Eevo]

no, a tow point is for the tow truck. it cant (shouldnt) be used for snatch or winch.
Yes and why not.it's breaking strain is very low.
we're going round in circles.



i'm not sure what flat plate bolted to the chassis your referring to???


You don't know?? Regards Frank.

i dont know what object you're referring to.

[Tank]

My Hayman-Reese tow bar and hitch is rated at 4000kgs, more than adequate I would think, Regards Frank.

Quote"it's breaking strain is very low."

[Eevo]

My Hayman-Reese tow bar and hitch is rated at 4000kgs, more than adequate I would think, Regards Frank.

Quote"it's breaking strain is very low."

thats not a tow point, thats a recovery point.

[Tank]

thats not a tow point, thats a recovery point.
Really...???

[Disco-tastic]

Heres a picture of a "tow point" off a land cruiser

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/863.jpg

Its not rated and a similar point was used which bent the chassis like so

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/864.jpg

All vehicles have these sorts of tow points in order to be tied to trailers. I believe this is what Eevo is referring to as a tow point.

Here is a recovery point:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/865.jpg

Rated tow hitches, such as a hayman reece or mitch hitch, can also be used as a recovery point.

Tow point vs rayed tow hitch. Two different things.

Hope that helps to clear up the confusion. :)

Cheers

Dan

[ozscott]

I dont like bullbar mounted 'recovery' points. 11 years or so ago i purchased recovery points from 4x4 Intelligence - each steel plate weighed over a kg and came with 3 high tensile chassis bolts each side that bolted through existing holes in the rails after the silly tie down factory points were removed. The bolts go through both walls of each rail. In this goes 4.5 tonn rated shackles and a bridle strap to distribute force to both rails. I would never suggest towing from a light bull bar with especially one an air bagged equipped vehcile where there is a prospect of simply straightening the bull bar (steel replacement of factroy alloy) crush cans.

Cheers

[Bushie]

And I would be very interested to hear from anyone who has had a recovery point fitted to a vehicle, and had it (point/vehicle fitting) "rated", and what it was rated at.


Martyn

[ozscott]

Martyn i would be surprised if there was any such animal.

Cheers

[Xtreme]

Heres a picture of a "tow point" off a land cruiser

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/863.jpg

Its not rated and a similar point was used which bent the chassis like so

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/864.jpg

All vehicles have these sorts of tow points in order to be tied to trailers. I believe this is what Eevo is referring to as a tow point.

Here is a recovery point:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/865.jpg

Rated tow hitches, such as a hayman reece or mitch hitch, can also be used as a recovery point.

Tow point vs rayed tow hitch. Two different things.

Hope that helps to clear up the confusion. :)

Cheers

Dan

IMHO those Toyota recovery/tie down units are quite strong however, the one in your pictures with the bent chassis was incorrectly mounted and it appears that the force that caused the bending was applied from the side. Just some observations from someone who has used properly mounted ones without damage for numerous recoveries of Toyotas.

[Tank]

Heres a picture of a "tow point" off a land cruiser

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/863.jpg

Its not rated and a similar point was used which bent the chassis like so

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/864.jpg

All vehicles have these sorts of tow points in order to be tied to trailers. I believe this is what Eevo is referring to as a tow point.

Here is a recovery point:

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/imported/2015/12/865.jpg

Rated tow hitches, such as a hayman reece or mitch hitch, can also be used as a recovery point.

Tow point vs rayed tow hitch. Two different things.

Hope that helps to clear up the confusion. :)

Cheers

Dan
No confusion Dan, Thanks.
The Toyota under chassis point pictured is in fact a TIE DOWN point used for securing said Toyota to a car carrier/trailer/etc.. As stated above by Dan.
If you ask Toyota they will tell you so, no way will they admit it is a RECOVERY point.
See my Post #18 this thread about front mounted (not bull bar mounted).
For the life of me I can't understand why, when you have a choice, would you mount the recovery point with the pin hole in the HORIZONTAL plane, look at the damage done to the Toyota chassis from an off-centre pull, imagine what it would do to a shackle, which is designed to only be loaded in a straight ahead line, how often do you find an anchor tree in the middle of the track.
I watched a Video yesterday about some clown (Ron Dahl I think) saying to his eager audience that it is totally wrong to attach the two eyes of a strap to a suitable sized Bow Shackle and that you should eliminate the Shackle and fit the two eyes (about 70mm wide each) directly to the winch rope/cable hook.
One eye was in the belly of the hook the other eye sitting mostly on top of the first eye and about only half the width of the strap eye with the other half hard up against the retaining clip.
So you have one eye correct, the other eye pulling against the tip of the hook (trying to straighten it out) and against the pressed metal retaining clip, yeh real smart.
A bow shackle is designed to take multiple eyes of a sling/strap a small winch cable hook is NOT.
No wonder there are so many accidents when you have ignorant people putting up Videos on U-Tube with 90% of watchers hanging off his every word and Believing it to be true, when COMMONSENSE should prevail and tell you this CRAP doesn't Compute, Regards Frank.

[KarlB]

how is that different to a winch?
a winch is no better than the hitch points.

Snatch straps can exert enormous force, even when used correctly. The application of that force is, relative to a winch, uncontrolled. A strap that is rated at say 8 tonnes can exert probably 16 tonnes (or more) of force on the vehicle attachment point as 8T is only a designated 'safe working load' and its breaking load would far exceed 8 tonnes.

Also, be mindful that Hayman Reece type hitches are usually only 'rated' to 1.5 tonnes.

[Disco-tastic]

its just an article,,

SNATCH STRAP COMPARISON - Unsealed 4X4 (http://www.unsealed4x4.com.au/snatch-strap-comparison/)

the legal bits
https://www.productsafety.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/981402


As Pedro linked in a previous post, some of the straps don't reach the rated figure. This is all for a slowly applied "static" load in a controlled environment tho. Dynamic loads are different and therefore a material's behaviour is different. In the real world a fast snatch recovery (not recommended, but common method) could be considered a dynamic load due to the large rate of load increase.

Winches wind in a drum which slowly increases the load on the cable until the 4wd moves or something breaks. It is a much slower rate of load increase to a snatch recovery, and is much more controllable

Cheers

Dan

[Eevo]

Snatch straps can exert enormous force, even when used correctly. The application of that force is, relative to a winch, uncontrolled. A strap that is rated at say 8 tonnes can exert probably 16 tonnes (or more) of force on the vehicle attachment point as 8T is only a designated 'safe working load' and its breaking load would far exceed 8 tonnes.

Also, be mindful that Hayman Reece type hitches are usually only 'rated' to 1.5 tonnes.


didnt someone do a test recently about the breaking points of snatch straps.
they were not double the safe working load.

how exactly is it uncontrolled? you have a force in a direction. the direction is controlled by you.

good point about the hayman reece hitches

[tact]

Sorry to resurrect an old thread. Had searched for what I want and this comes closest...

Am new to Sydney (and Oz generally, having been away almost 2 decades). Where is the best place in Sydney to go off-road accessory shopping for recovery gear, snatch straps more specifically.

All advice appreciated.

[Surrufus]

I want an ARB 8 tonne snatch strap... But family and friends keeps buying me cheap recovery gear for birthday and christmas presents.

I currently have a Ridge Ryder 5 tonne strap, and a XTM Snatch Kit which includes a 8 tonne strap and a "very handy bag for storage" according to the family member who got it for me. Out of this kit I think I'm most excited about the shackles.

[ramblingboy42]

I'm interested to know what may be wrong with iether of those straps.

none of my straps, slings or shackles have ever been used in 20yrs, so I cannot comment.

before I get questioned , I have never been bogged.....getting bogged is a choice.

[Surrufus]

I'm interested to know what may be wrong with iether of those straps.

none of my straps, slings or shackles have ever been used in 20yrs, so I cannot comment.

before I get questioned , I have never been bogged.....getting bogged is a choice.

There is probably nothing wrong with them, but the age old saying, you get what you pay for.

[nismine01]

so you have seen lots of severed heads?

i call bs.

I have seen the destruction caused by tow balls flying through screens, as that sling shot because of snatch straps rebound acting like an elastic band.

I have seen winch cables break and flay around but never with the destructive force as applied by a snatch strap gone wrong.

Mike

[Eevo]

I have seen the destruction caused by tow balls flying through screens, as that sling shot because of snatch straps rebound acting like an elastic band.
Mike

people using a product incorrectly.

[Xtreme]

people using a product incorrectly.
Which is too easy to do with a snatch strap, especially when a lot of people don't understand the potential dangers involved in such usage.

[Eevo]

Which is too easy to do with a snatch strap, especially when a lot of people don't understand the potential dangers involved in such usage.

just as easy to misuse a winch in the same way.

[Xtreme]

just as easy to misuse a winch in a different way.

There you go, I've fixed it for you. ;)

I thought this thread was about snatch straps though. :angel:

[austastar]

Hi,
Nobody would snatch on a winch line?
Would they?

Cheers

[jon3950]

Sorry to resurrect an old thread. Had searched for what I want and this comes closest...

Am new to Sydney (and Oz generally, having been away almost 2 decades). Where is the best place in Sydney to go off-road accessory shopping for recovery gear, snatch straps more specifically.

All advice appreciated.

Welcome to Sydney. You're probably feeling at home now with the heat and humidity we've been having lately.

To try and answer your original question, it really depends on which part of Sydney you're living in. As a general comment, your nearest ARB store is probably a good starting point for recovery gear. The gear is basically of good quality but as they are franchises there are good ones and bad ones.

Off the top of my head, a few places that I've had good dealings with: Mannell Motors in Thornleigh, ARB Penrith, Opposite Lock in Rockdale and Graeme Cooper in Newtown for more Landy specific stuff. There are a few others that I will avoid like the plague but obviously wont be naming here.

Cheers,
Jon

[cuppabillytea]

Hi Neil. Your nearest ARB store is Parramatta, 355 Great Western Highway South Wentworthville. They sell good quality gear for mine but I can't say I've done a lot of shopping around.

Does this mean your Landy has finally landed?

[cuppabillytea]

There you go, I've fixed it for you. ;)

I thought this thread was about snatch straps though. :angel:

Yep it was.

Fortunately Neil is a cleaver analytical man with a good handle on Physics.

[tact]

Thanks for the welcome to Syd, Jon. Yep the hot weeks recently were a nice touch, and all the rain the past few days too.

Tks for the tips where to go...

Neil



Welcome to Sydney. You're probably feeling at home now with the heat and humidity we've been having lately.

To try and answer your original question, it really depends on which part of Sydney you're living in. As a general comment, your nearest ARB store is probably a good starting point for recovery gear. The gear is basically of good quality but as they are franchises there are good ones and bad ones.

Off the top of my head, a few places that I've had good dealings with: Mannell Motors in Thornleigh, ARB Penrith, Opposite Lock in Rockdale and Graeme Cooper in Newtown for more Landy specific stuff. There are a few others that I will avoid like the plague but obviously wont be naming here.

Cheers,
Jon

[tact]

Hey Billy!

tks for the tip. Unfortunately my 'fender hasn't landed yet! Hasn't been uplifted. Was in KL for business meetings week before last and at least got to drive it for the week. It hasn't been started for 3mths or so. Surprised it started first crank! Nice!


Hi Neil. Your nearest ARB store is Parramatta, 355 Great Western Highway South Wentworthville. They sell good quality gear for mine but I can't say I've done a lot of shopping around.

Does this mean your Landy has finally landed?

[tact]

Hah Billy, your confidence is well placed. Yes, I have a pretty good grip on how, and when, to properly use a wide variety of recovery options. Even if I do say so myself. ;)

This most recent purchase enquiry was for a mate. But I have had snatch straps in my bag of tricks in the past. Haven't owned or used one in the last 10yrs or so tho I reckon.

As others have pointed, out snatch straps can be dangerous ... no. Wait a minute. Snatch straps aren't dangerous at all. Oversized paperweights by themselves. Its the ACT of snatching a stuck vehicle that can be a dangerous pastime if not done properly.

Same logic applies to pretty much every piece of recovery equipment, including the humble and oft overlooked shovel, and every recovery situation.



Yep it was.

Fortunately Neil is a cleaver analytical man with a good handle on Physics.