Gun TV.....woohoo!! (Not)

[AllTerr]

Firearm shopping channel Gun TV to launch next year - 9news.com.au (http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/12/04/15/09/us-gun-shopping-channel-to-launch-next-year)

Soooooo glad I don't live there anymore.....

[MR LR]

"Guns are bad"

YAWN...


next.

[Greatsouthernland]

Nothing wrong with this. America and it's internal politics based on freedom, independence and liberty for all are beyond criticism by any Australian/Subject of the English Crown.

We live in a British colony, it is embarrassing when anyone NOT American makes critical comments on what happens there. An educated journalist should know better...should ;)

But is it possible, the media owner lives in or has a large stake in America and would benefit from political pressure/change on this issue and particularly other changes a new incumbent may offer? ;)
So then uses the supple :mad: minds of some in Australia to propagate the cheer squad... :angel:

Ms Castle makes good points (American business woman legally conducting a business plan in America). Foreign based media throws in some irrelevant and illegal use to blur the lines (because we are all lectured that all guns/rifles and even legal licensed gun owners are somehow bad :p) and pushes an agenda of spreading hoplophobia, perhaps for business gain through political change...likely agenda, just need emotional puppets to make more noise :angel: job done.

More non-news on a so-called news site...who'd have thought? :D

[mikehzz]

I think shopping channels should be banned. They fleece money from idiots. Idiots need protection. I've got a super six pack ab crunching butt buster for sale really cheap if anyone wants it...you can pay over 6 easy repayments but you have to pm me in the next 5 minutes or I'll change my mind and not sell it.

[spudboy]

Does it come with any steak knives?

[Orkney 90]

But wait, there's more!

[loanrangie]

"Guns are bad"

YAWN...


next.

No, red knecks with military grade weapons is bad and being able to buy them online is even worse.

[Pedro_The_Swift]

Obama made a very good point on the news tonight, one of many in the recent past.

"You can be on the "No Fly" list,,
but still buy automatic weapons."


can they produce a Martin Luther of weapons?

Greatsouthernland is right,, reform will only come from within.

[weeds]

No, red knecks with military grade weapons is bad and being able to buy them online is even worse.


The images of the people doing the mass killings/terrorists acts hardly fit the redneck category......I don't see F Trucks, flanno's, bottles of whiskey, pack of smokes tucked under the sleeve......

Maybe an idea is all gun owners have to store the guns at the shooting range or a central spot........but it ain't the legal/licensed gun owners doing the damage......

Nah **** it........ban all guns

[loanrangie]

Banning is not the answer , its too late for that as there are too many in cir ulation already.

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[weeds]

Banning is not the answer , its too late for that as there are too many in cir ulation already.

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Banning was tongue in cheek......

[Greatsouthernland]

https://youtu.be/2DcIaNvAU2o't=59s

[MR LR]

Banning was tongue in cheek......
Apparently he doesn't understand tongue in cheek.

My comment was also tongue in cheek.

I shoot, and we have 5000 acres, banning guns is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. Then it will just be the bad guys with guns, and all the anti gun pansies will be hiding under bushes like a bunch of poofters.

America has a deeply embedded social issue, and I don't think any of it has anything to do with the third amendment or their right to bear arms. And the rednecks certainly aren't the issue...

It's the depressed white kid and the neighborhood jihadist we need to worry about.

[Chenz]

That show can't be as bad as Keeping up with the Kardashians:wasntme:.

I hunt, I shoot and I own weapons but even I see that military style assault weapons have no place in general society.

I agree, it is the misguided youth and the jihadist numbskulls who are causing most of these mass atrocities. The bog standard private firearm owner is not the issue here. Unfortunately, we law abiding few get all tarnished with the same ban everything brush.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

So when you say "general society" what do you mean?

Should Military type weapons be available for the making of movies and documentaries?

What about the reinactment community?

Someone who needs to shoot a lot of big rabbits in a short time?

What about collectors/restorers? I have a Land Rover 106 RCL carrier. (gun buggy), it's military use was as a weapons platform.

The standard weapons list is: 106mm recoilless rifle. (main armament) with it's integral .50 cal targeting rifle.
7.62mm L1A1 self-loading rifle (gunner's personal weapon)
.45cal Owen or 9mm F1 sub machine gun (driver's personal weapon)
Then there's the .45 cal Browning M1911 automatic pistol (personal weapon) and frequently the pintle mounted 7.62mm M60 GPMG or .30cal Browning M1918 automatic rifle. Which were frequently part of the vehicle's weapons compliment.

Without those items, the vehicle is merely a butchered 88" SIIA Vietnam veteran Land Rover.

[Ausfree]

My wife made the comment..." I think it should go great guns":whistling:

Oh. dear, only in America!!!!

[mikehzz]

........ it will just be the bad guys with guns, and all the anti gun pansies will be hiding under bushes like a bunch of poofters......



Fair dinkum, a bit harsh on the gay stereotype there.....it's a tough world out there for gay people and they're tougher than you think because of it.

That sentiment re bad guys is exactly why the US has a deeply entrenched social problem. The statement could have come from a Republican Party/Gun Lobby leaflet. Common sense tells me that anyone who is anti gun, knows the bad guys will still have guns and as such is braver than someone who wants to arm themselves for protection.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

........ it will just be the bad guys with guns, and all the anti gun pansies will be hiding under bushes like a bunch of poofters......
Fair dinkum, a bit harsh on the gay stereotype there.....it's a tough world out there for gay people and they're tougher than you think because of it.

That sentiment re bad guys is exactly why the US has a deeply entrenched social problem. The statement could have come from a Republican Party/Gun Lobby leaflet. Common sense tells me that anyone who is anti gun, knows the bad guys will still have guns and as such is braver than someone who wants to arm themselves for protection.But now and then we wonder who the real men are ...

...Sure they're straight, straight as a line
All the gays are macho
Can't you see their leather shine!
"Real men", Joe Jackson

[MR LR]

Fair dinkum, a bit harsh on the gay stereotype there.....it's a tough world out there for gay people and they're tougher than you think because of it.

That sentiment re bad guys is exactly why the US has a deeply entrenched social problem. The statement could have come from a Republican Party/Gun Lobby leaflet. Common sense tells me that anyone who is anti gun, knows the bad guys will still have guns and as such is braver than someone who wants to arm themselves for protection.
I'm glad that's what you took from my statement.

Oh it's a ****ed up, politically correct world we live in.

[mikehzz]

I'm glad that's what you took from my statement.

Oh it's a ****ed up, politically correct world we live in.

Well I agreed with the rest... :D

[MR LR]

Well I agreed with the rest... :D
Not really...

Guns are no different to any other tool, some use them for work, some use them for pleasure, some like to have them in-case they get into trouble.

And that makes guns, by definition, no different to an electric winch.

Which by extension, makes Gun TV no different from any other crappy shopping channel (not that I think Gun TV is good, or shopping channels in general...).

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Not really...

Guns are no different to any other tool, some use them for work, some use them for pleasure, some like to have them in-case they get into trouble.

And that makes guns, by definition, no different to an electric winch.

Which by extension, makes Gun TV no different from any other crappy shopping channel (not that I think Gun TV is good, or shopping channels in general...).Except that guns are a tool designed for killing, so their true work, legal or illegal, is killing or training for killing.

The same can't be said of electric winches.

PTO winches on the other hand .....

[MR LR]

Except that guns are a tool designed for killing, so their true work, legal or illegal, is killing or training for killing.

The same can't be said of electric winches.

PTO winches on the other hand .....
True, their intended uses are different. But that is not my point.

Some people kill for work, some people kill for leisure (that sounds a bit odd on paper...) and some people kill in self defence. You also have a small portion of society that misuse them.

But that is no different (by definition) to any other tool.

It is the consequences that differ.

A licencing scheme is all that is necessary, as we have here. If they feel safer with a gun in the house good on them... you'd be stupid to carry a knife into a gun fight.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

True, their intended uses are different. But that is not my point.

Some people kill for work, some people kill for leisure (that sounds a bit odd on paper...) and some people kill in self defence. You also have a small portion of society that misuse them.

But that is no different (by definition) to any other tool.

It is the consequences that differ.

A licencing scheme is all that is necessary, as we have here. If they feel safer with a gun in the house good on them... you'd be stupid to carry a knife into a gun fight.The numbers vary in different research p-apers but the result remains the same, you are 4.5 times more likely to be shot and 4.2 times more likely to be killed carrying a gun than if you were unarmed. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed/ so you are best not having any weapon at a fight, because the violence escalates in the presence of a weapon. Better still don't be in the fight.

[Ausfree]

I think whether a gun is designed to kill or not is beside the point. The main problem in the good 'ol US of A is the mindset of most of the people with regards to guns.

I am not attacking people who use guns for target shooting (not live targets by the way) as I understand a lot of skill is required to master accurate shooting. But when people are walking down the street with a gun strapped to their belt...........well, you do have to wonder. As I just said.....the mindset, and in a country like America it is going to extremely difficult to bring in some sort of gun control, considering the powerful interests against ANY sort of control.

[MR LR]

The numbers vary in different research p-apers but the result remains the same, you are 4.5 times more likely to be shot and 4.2 times more likely to be killed carrying a gun than if you were unarmed. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed/ so you are best not having any weapon at a fight, because the violence escalates in the presence of a weapon. Better still don't be in the fight.

Exactly, and that's why the Australian system works quite well. Sportsmen can have guns, people that need guns can have guns, and our society is safe enough that we don't often need to defend ourselves.


I think whether a gun is designed to kill or not is beside the point. The main problem in the good 'ol US of A is the mindset of most of the people with regards to guns.

I am not attacking people who use guns for target shooting (not live targets by the way) as I understand a lot of skill is required to master accurate shooting. But when people are walking down the street with a gun strapped to their belt...........well, you do have to wonder. As I just said.....the mindset, and in a country like America it is going to extremely difficult to bring in some sort of gun control, considering the powerful interests against ANY sort of control.

THIS!

[Greatsouthernland]

The numbers vary in different research p-apers but the result remains the same, you are 4.5 times more likely to be shot and 4.2 times more likely to be killed carrying a gun than if you were unarmed. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17922-carrying-a-gun-increases-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed/ so you are best not having any weapon at a fight, because the violence escalates in the presence of a weapon. Better still don't be in the fight.

In Philadelphia.......this is not relevant to Australia. We don't have a gun problem, if anything we have a criminal problem with criminals that use guns illegally.

And not all guns are designed to kill, there are many sporting (target) guns that are impractical as 'weapons', sure they could kill if misused, but that wasn't their purpose. Knives are better designed to kill considering the importance of bullet placement versus a knife's ability to sever arteries....apparently :angel:


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Packing heat may backfire. People who carry guns are far likelier to get shot ? and killed ? than those who are unarmed, a study of shooting victims in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, has found.

It would be impractical ? not to say unethical ? to randomly assign volunteers to carry a gun or not and see what happens. So Charles Branas's team at the University of Pennsylvania analysed 677 shootings over two-and-a-half years to discover whether victims were carrying at the time, and compared them to other Philly residents of similar age, sex and ethnicity. The team also accounted for other potentially confounding differences, such as the socioeconomic status of their neighbourhood.

Despite the US having the highest rate of firearms-related homicide in the industrialised world, the relationship between gun culture and violence is poorly understood. A recent study found that treating violence like an infectious disease led to a dramatic fall in shootings and killings.

Overall, Branas's study found that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens. When the team looked at shootings in which victims had a chance to defend themselves, their odds of getting shot were even higher.

While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations, or encourages them to visit neighbourhoods they probably shouldn't, Branas speculates. Supporters of the Second Amendment shouldn't worry that the right to bear arms is under threat, however. ?We don't have an answer as to whether guns are protective or perilous,? Branas says. ?This study is a beginning.?

Daniel Webster, co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore, Maryland, thinks it is near-sighted to consider only the safety of gun owners and not their communities. ?It affects others a heck of a lot more,? he says.

Journal reference: American Journal of Public Health, DOI: 10.2105/AJPH.2008.143099

[Greatsouthernland]

Should Military type weapons be available for the making of movies and documentaries?

What about the reinactment (sic) community?

Someone who needs to shoot a lot of big rabbits in a short time?

What about collectors/restorers?

The standard weapons list is: 106mm recoilless rifle. (main armament) with it's integral .50 cal targeting rifle.
7.62mm L1A1 self-loading rifle
Then there's the .45 cal Browning M1911 automatic pistol (personal weapon) and frequently the pintle mounted 7.62mm M60 GPMG or .30cal Browning M1918 automatic rifle. Which were frequently part of the vehicle's weapons compliment.



They are available for all of the above suggestions. In some cases they will have to be de-activated (i.e. your restoration project). Relevant license and permits (and FEEs/inspections/compliance :D) apply. Contact your local firearms branch or SSAA.

[Lotz-A-Landies]

They are available for all of the above suggestions. In some cases they will have to be de-activated (i.e. your restoration project). Relevant license and permits (and FEEs/inspections/compliance :D) apply. Contact your local firearms branch or SSAA.I take it you're not talking NSW firearms regulations? The most restrictive in the Nation.

We're currently negotiating with the reinactor groups in Qld and Geelong to join us at the Lithgow Ironfest and there is some reluctance from them bringing their weapons into NSW.

It seems that the weapons have to be transferred to a NSW based professional "Theatrical Armourer" and then issued to the owners on each day and then retrieved and locked up in the Lithgow Small Arms overnight. So a real problem.

As for acquiring a 106 RCL, we're having trouble getting an export permit from the US Government, let alone an import permit from here.

Any ideas?

[NavyDiver]

Thank god we are not in America (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-law-allows-man-to-carry-loaded-assault-rifle-through-atlanta-airport-im-not-scaring-anybody-20150604-story.html)

Not at all fussed about being at a rifle range, hunting or a farm where firearms are used. An loaded AR15 in a airport- my head is still shaking nooooooooo:twisted:

[Ausfree]

Thank god we are not in America (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-law-allows-man-to-carry-loaded-assault-rifle-through-atlanta-airport-im-not-scaring-anybody-20150604-story.html)

Not at all fussed about being at a rifle range, hunting or a farm where firearms are used. An loaded AR15 in a airport- my head is still shaking nooooooooo:twisted:

As I said in a previous post.........it's the mindset in America. You would think what happened in that video, was in some tin pot third world dictatorship, not a major airport in the "so called" beacon of liberty!!!!!

[Lotz-A-Landies]

Its what the Septics call American exceptionalism. They are exceptional in gun violence, exceptional in their lack of insight into the causes their extreme rates of gun violence, and exceptional in their rates of imprisonment, particularly black men.
I do however understand that the Septics have a different understanding of American exceptionalism.

[DoubleChevron]

It seems quite simple, less guns in society... the less issues there is with guns. Sure the "bad poeple" still have them. You know, they dont' seem to use them against the general public at all though. Sure they might take pot shots at bikie gangs and drug dealers ...........

But .......... Have you ever had fear you would be threatened with a firearm of any type in Australia ....... Never right ?? Not unless you were upto no good against poeple that are also upto no good :wasntme:

Australia seems to have a pretty good setup at the moment. Sporting shooters can access fire-arms. Farmers can access them, target shooters can access them.

There is absolutely no need at all in society for hand guns or automatic weapons. NONE ... Ever for any reason. Target shooting hand guns aside. Hand guns only use is shooting people. We don't want people shooting people remember.

I reckon this is one of the best gun control segments I've ever seen :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OZIOE6aMBk

seeya
Shane L.

[Greatsouthernland]

I take it you're not talking NSW firearms regulations? The most restrictive in the Nation.

We're currently negotiating with the reinactor groups in Qld and Geelong to join us at the Lithgow Ironfest and there is some reluctance from them bringing their weapons into NSW.

It seems that the weapons have to be transferred to a NSW based professional "Theatrical Armourer" and then issued to the owners on each day and then retrieved and locked up in the Lithgow Small Arms overnight. So a real problem.

As for acquiring a 106 RCL, we're having trouble getting an export permit from the US Government, let alone an import permit from here.

Any ideas?

Sorry Di, wasn't talking NSW, apologies as it's easy to get caught up in the home states ways, weird system but I'm not advocating uniform rules until they scrap all the WA ones :D

No ideas I'm afraid, except be glad you're not in WA :confused:

I like the sound of your project, please post pics when done :)

Cheers from the great southern state ;)